The Angela Experiment: aka Let's gang up on Angela thread

[Angela V. Edwards]

But if the PPC demand is there for "Panic Attack" and Panic Heart Attack Symptoms is a Long Tail version of that keyword and that still has 3-digit searches of its own every day, how is it that it won't convert well? It's a portion of the crowd who is looking for information about Panic Attacks.

[Angela V. Edwards]

Originally Posted by Texjd

I agree with Kevin, free wordtracker data should only be used to show which terms are popular. In fact, no keyword tool is acurate down to a specific count due the nature of the Internet. You use any keyword tool to show more popular terms.

Sorry, for anyone to say that a keyword or phrase gets XXX seaches a day is first of all speaking of historical data at best and the number of variables are endless. Keyword tools provide help in seeing what are the more popular terms, not to give exact numbers.

And since I'm back on the soapbox, the number of competing sites is not the most important factor. It's the number of sites that have some serious rankings all ready. If you find a term that only has 350,000 websites with that term, you may still have 1000 powerful websites that you may not easily beat. And conversely you can have 2,000,000 competing websites but none with any rankings power so you can get ranked.

That's where many people run off the tracks, you have to look at the competition in regard to how strong they are and how much effort would be required to outrank them.

And the PPC ad number is just one more factor to consider, not an absolute. You have to watch the ads for a period of time before you can make any real judgement call.

There are few absolutes in this business, just factors that can help you determine the best keywords to start with and then test. Google will even tell you that more than a high percentage of searches are unique.

And to think if 2 people click on an article and that will result in two purchases, well, you might say that is pretty optimistic =8~).

That all works if you have money for PPC. We're talking more about "Bum Marketing" type techniques here. We're submitting a HIGHLY competitive keyword and looking for long tail variations of that keyword that still get multiple daily searches. Not everybody has big money to pay Google for PPC.

[belgirl]

UPDATE: Well my article has suddenly appeared as #37 out of over 800,000 competing pages...tee hee...let's see if it climbs further!

[belgirl]

It's not overly optimistic. If they are looking for a product to help them with panic attacks, then that is motivation enough for them to purchase.

Of course, when I get my first purchase, all the naysayers will be silenced.

[indie08]

Belgirl,

I see 2 goarticles at 1 and 2 for Panic Heart Attack Symptoms on google.
Is one of them yours?....If so, congrats..

[indie08]

Great news!!!! I got a sale!!!.... My articles are not even to the top of google yet. My commission was $21. I can get as high as $40 with this particular product. Now I'm beginning to see the possibilities...

[twinmom]

Wow - congrats indie! I've been following this thread hoping to see something like this soon.

[AriMakade]

any updates here?

[indie08]

Well, I just made my first sale... I'm still waiting on my 5 articles which will link directly to e-bay product pages. This is actually what I'm really excited about. I'll keep everyone posted.

[belgirl]

Originally Posted by indie08

Well, I just made my first sale... I'm still waiting on my 5 articles which will link directly to e-bay product pages. This is actually what I'm really excited about. I'll keep everyone posted.

Nice job!

[Angela V. Edwards]

Originally Posted by indie08

Great news!!!! I got a sale!!!.... My articles are not even to the top of google yet. My commission was $21. I can get as high as $40 with this particular product. Now I'm beginning to see the possibilities...

That is excellent news, Indie.

[Angela V. Edwards]

Originally Posted by indie08

Belgirl,

I see 2 goarticles at 1 and 2 for Panic Heart Attack Symptoms on google.
Is one of them yours?....If so, congrats..

I saw that. A Goarticles article has the NUMBER ONE spot for the keywords used in my example: Panic Heart Attack Symptoms.

See...I TOLD you it could be done!

[rpjackson]

so is it safe to say that although all of these sites will have a pr 0 from angelas packets eventually the pr will grow and be passed on to our sites..is that how this works??

[Angela V. Edwards]

The SITES don't have a PR 0, RPJackson. The sites have High Page Rank. The actual PAGE may be brand new or have a 0 Page Rank. But that hasn't hurt ANY of the projects I have EVER done. My doctor is still number one, my friend is still number one, two, eight, and nine, I am number two out of 83 MILLION for one keyword and number 2 out of 10.5 MILLION for another. The idea that a low or 0 PR "inner page" inside of a High Page Rank domain will not help you is a FALLACY. It's not true; it's a myth. Obviously, Google is giving you credit for the Page Rank of the domain itself. If it weren't, NONE of my stuff would be ranking high. None of it. But it is. It ALL ranks high and I've even seen things get to Page One in Google overnight. Several times.

[belgirl]

Originally Posted by rpjackson

so is it safe to say that although all of these sites will have a pr 0 from angelas packets eventually the pr will grow and be passed on to our sites..is that how this works??

The sites in Angela's packets are PR 6 and above...

[mouseffects]

Well, I can tell you that the links are working for me. I bought Larry Perry - personal website to play with. Out of 7.5 million pages, I'm number 8 after about 20 days on Google and #2 on Yahoo (over 23 million pages there). I also am working on the (very competitive) term "sunglasses" for a client and he's #23 on Google (page 3) out of 47.1 million page and still rising (about the same period of time).

I'm placing the same keyword phrase at every site. Not one has removed as far as I know (have about 125 out there)

Just got my new ones in and expect to trample some more butt here in the next couple of days/weeks.

[mistermickster]

Hi,

I have a question regarding backlinking multiple pages on the same site.

Suppose I have a site selling widgets, and 3 pages on there display fuzzy red widgets, smooth blue widgets and shiny green widgets.

When creating the backlinks using Angela's packets, would it be better to create an account for each keyword at each site, or would it be sufficient to create one 'widget' account and backlink to all 3 pages with relevant anchor text.

[Angela V. Edwards]

Originally Posted by mistermickster

Hi,

I have a question regarding backlinking multiple pages on the same site.

Suppose I have a site selling widgets, and 3 pages on there display fuzzy red widgets, smooth blue widgets and shiny green widgets.

When creating the backlinks using Angela's packets, would it be better to create an account for each keyword at each site, or would it be sufficient to create one 'widget' account and backlink to all 3 pages with relevant anchor text.

It is perfectly fine to put all three anchor text links on the same account.

[Andy Fletcher]

Originally Posted by billyboy

so how is this done? How do I look at what power the top sites have?

The best starting points I've found for checking up on your competition -

http://www.prchecker.info/check_page_rank.php - Use it to check the page rank of the domain and page (if a separate page is listed) of your competitors.

Do a google search for "link: www.YourCompetitor.com" and "link: www.YourCompetitor.com/some_page.html" to see how many backlinks Google lists for the page and domain.

Site Explorer - Yahoo! Site Explorer - Find out how many "inlinks" (Yahoo's word for backlinks) your competitor's domain and page have.

[Blondmoo]

Is there any Automatic Backlink software out there?

And what in people's estimation is the limit of links you should put on any of these sites ( or more aptly put when do I need to open a "new" account) say if I have lots of articles growing more everday, the prolific little writer that I am!

[Blondmoo]

Oh and for the record, I just started using Angela's service (the free packet of course) and on one keyword I am now #11 & #12 for Ezine and Go out of 49,800,000. Not on the first page yet but think that is doable!!! WOW

Yes, yes, I know, newbie mistake with keyword (allintitle confusion really) but do you thinK I will go get Angela's previous packages and go visit Paul too??? Wink, wink

Thank you Angela, and thank you for answering my one question so quickly too!

[Texjd]

Andy made some very good suggestions on how to figure the amount of work you would have to do to beat the first page listings you want to compete with for ranking.

Don't get me wrong, banklinks are huge and can really help with any rankings. But if given a choice, would you rather fight with a tiger or a kitten? Picking a keyword phrase that has less intense competition just makes sense.

But also having a "good" article with a "good" product is important too. Getting them to the buy page is the first step, converting them is the challange.

Time invested is a factor too. If your write a good article, pick a good product, and find a low competition keyword phrase you can make some money. But if you invest 50 hours in research, links, and whatever, and make 2 sales ($40) you just made less than a dollar an hour.

And converting a 100% of visitors is uncommon, if not impossible.

[Angela V. Edwards]

Hi Texjd,

You are exactly right. That's why I always recommend that people take the time necessary to write a really GOOD article with a GOOD bio box that will draw people to their website. With the backlinks, you can get the article onto Page One of Google, so it's not necessary to write hundreds of articles in hopes that a few of them will "stick" like so many people try to do. Take the time, write a very good article with good information (but not ALL the information the person needs or they won't buy), take time with your bio box and make sure it will draw them in. Then when your article is up, do backlinks to it and get that article to the top of Page One.

[indie08]

OK guys I just received my 5 articles linking to various e-bay search results. For these particular articles I used MIcro Niche Finder for the keyword research. Last night I posted them onto goarticles and started with about 6 backlinks. I now have 10 articles I'm trying to rank...I'll keep you posted with my results....

[mouseffects]

I agree that good solid TARGETED keywords are the way to go. However, some customers persist on going for the gold (as one of mine has). Thanks to Angela's information and paying attention to on-page SEO, I've been able to accommodate this guy.

He owns a company called "Sunset Sunglasses" and wanted top ranking for the ever-so-common term "sunglasses". When he first told me what he wanted I thought it was close to impossible but he told me that he would understand if it took a while to accomplish.

Since he agreed to my payment terms, I started an aggressive backlink campaign using Angela's links and one other Warrior's.

As of today, www.sunsetsunglasses.com is ranked on page 2 (out of 49,700,000 pages indexed for the term "sunglasses").

I have between 100-125 backlinks pointing to this site strictly using these two people's backlinks.

OK.. now I'm doing alot of promoting of Angela's links but let me assure you, she and I have never met and I don't know her at all. I am a customer of hers like some of the rest of you.

I think too many times there are GREAT things in this forum that should be promoted to the max and her product is one of them. That is all I'm doing here (besides keeping everyone infortmed of the successes you can experience).

REMEMBER though... It's also VITAL to have a well constructed page that pays attention to the natural on-page SEO strategies. If you want to get ranked quickly, do both very well. Consistantly tweak on-page and keep using the backlinks every time you get them and you'll dominate your industry online forever.

BTW, when I use the links, I have about 5 customers (plus my own sites) and I create one account at each place and put everyone/thing in that account. It's working well for me so it should work well for you too.

And, don't even get me started on local rankings! It's so easy to make money using backlinks for local ranks it should be illegal.

(I love internet marketing. I'd hate to work a REAL job...)

[basmin]

an interesting discussion, This going to give me what i'm looking for!
thanks

[Okane]

I started my own "Angela Experiment" yesterday. Here are my results so far... and a question for you.

Two keywords, A and B.
A = 'XX sweat'
B = 'lose weight XX'

(search volume per month / results for search in quotes / without quotes)
A: (12.000 / 35.800 / 200.000)
B: (12.100 / 26.200 / 2.310.000)

Yesterday, I added backlinks for these keywords to 10 of the sites from Angela's package. My plan is to add 10 every day.

This morning I searched both keywords - without quotes(!)

A --> my article is #9 on the first page
B --> my article is #6 on the first page

"Wow"

Now, my question is this...

If it is so easy to rank well, why would I continue doing article marketing the "classical way"? Instead of trying to rank with my ezinearticles, wouldn't it be better to put those articles on my own website / review site and use Angela's backlinks to push my own site?

...Marc...

[charismaseeker]

Marc, Did you put these articles on GoArticles or Ezinearticles?

[askloz]

Angela, you need to study some more love about what true competition is. I don't mean to rain on your parade, but, don't give out info stating that if a search term has 2 billion or what ever search results, that it's your competition. Because it's not.

This is how you find your true competition.
#3 Out Of 195,000,000 competing sites

[Wayne A]

I'm a little confused about which keyword tool to use. The wordtracker tool shows 38 searches/day for my phrase. The free adwords tool shows 10,000/month. These numbers arent even close. 38 per day is around 1,200/month. I realize these tools aren't exact, but thats a difference of almost 9,000/month! So which kewyord tool is more accurate?

Thanks
Wayne

[willzoboy]

Originally Posted by Okane

Now, my question is this...

If it is so easy to rank well, why would I continue doing article marketing the "classical way"? Instead of trying to rank with my ezinearticles, wouldn't it be better to put those articles on my own website / review site and use Angela's backlinks to push my own site?

Good question, I was wondering the same thing too. I guess you can always do both and get twice as much traffic.

[anwar001]

belgirl, what is your current rankings for your chosen keyword? Did you reach the first page of Google as yet? I see that the competition for the keywords you have chosen is quite less so it should be easily reachable. I have used Angela's and Paul's backlinks for much more competitive keyword articles at goarticles and got to the first page for most of my chosen keywords. So you see it is easily doable.

[Okane]

Originally Posted by charismaseeker

Marc, Did you put these articles on GoArticles or Ezinearticles?

I put the articles on GoArticles.

Status right now:
Keyword A --> #8 on page one
Keyword B --> #5 on page one

[Angela V. Edwards]

Originally Posted by askloz

Angela, you need to study some more love about what true competition is. I don't mean to rain on your parade, but, don't give out info stating that if a search term has 2 billion or what ever search results, that it's your competition. Because it's not.

This is how you find your true competition.
#3 Out Of 195,000,000 competing sites

Yes, I know this. However, what you REALLY want to do is be at the top when people are ACTUALLY searching for your keyword.

Let's say I picked the keyword Dog Grooming. Now let's say my TRUE competition is 858,000 and I am number 3 for that. However, when someone is looking up the term Dog Grooming, most of the time they are NOT going to use quotes in their search. Most people don't even KNOW about using quotes. So let's say without quotes, I am number 37. So the people doing the searching won't find my site at all (most people also don't go beyond Page One...MAYBE Page two) because I am buried on Page 4. But I'm number 3 with quotes!! It gets me NOWHERE, except maybe bragging rights. I need to be number 3 WITHOUT quotes if I actually want the people doing the searching to find my website.

[askloz]

Originally Posted by Angela V. Edwards

Yes, I know this. However, what you REALLY want to do is be at the top when people are ACTUALLY searching for your keyword.

If you know this, tell your followers about it. You've not mentioned it once since you've been boasting "Oh I'm at the top for a phrase that has 40,000,000 competing websites"... or what ever.

First off, it's not your competition, secondly, it's not websites. It's PAGES.

It's just annoying to see that someone who claims they can do SEO, don't get the facts right.

Originally Posted by Angela V. Edwards

Let's say I picked the keyword Dog Grooming. Now let's say my TRUE competition is 858,000 and I am number 3 for that. However, when someone is looking up the term Dog Grooming, most of the time they are NOT going to use quotes in their search. Most people don't even KNOW about using quotes. So let's say without quotes, I am number 37. So the people doing the searching won't find my site at all (most people also don't go beyond Page One...MAYBE Page two) because I am buried on Page 4. But I'm number 3 with quotes!! It gets me NOWHERE, except maybe bragging rights. I need to be number 3 WITHOUT quotes if I actually want the people doing the searching to find my website.

Ok, I don't want to pick a fight with ya sweetie, you've just proven that you don't know about the true competition and how to analyze it.

I suggest you go ahead and re-read the post-link I posted yesterday for everyone to read.

"Now lets say my TRUE competition is 858,000"... See what I mean? Proof you don't know what your competition is. There will NEVER, ever, ever be that many. It will ALWAYS be under 1000. If you do know, you don't come across that you do.

As Steve Crooks said in another post. The one I posted here for all to see so they can get their facts correct rather than coming off like an idiot saying they are sites, and not pages and their true competition is a trillion zillion or something.

One phrase could have 1 million result pages, another, could have the same, yet, once you analyze your true competition, the way I show - which is the RIGHT way, one could have 800 as their true competition, while another could have only 40. Now which one out of those 1 million result pages will be easier to rank for? the first phrase or the other? Surely the latter? But they both look on the outside to the average Joe they have 1 million pages that could share the same bragging rights? On the contrary.

Sweetie don't come out to me with a explanation, I know more about SEO than 90% of the people on this forum - in fact I teach SEO. I know that people wont use the phrase they are using most of the time with double quotes. I know this.

And you're wrong, people will go beyond page 2, 3, 4, 5. I do it all the time. I find that there's better sites sitting on page 2, 3, 4, 5 than they're are on page 1.

Peace

[indie08]

Wow, askloz. A little harsh aren't we? I'm sure she understands what you're talking about. She is not providing seo tips, she's providing a service for links nothing more.

I'm beginning to see great results with the links. Some of my keyword phrases are extremely competitive. Most of my keywords are now on the first page of google without quotes and the one phrase that is competitive just jumped up to position 12 from 23 as of today This was in three weeks.

My point is if you have low competition, you'll rank well with less links or if your attacking a term like "sunglasses" you're obviously going to need a ton more as well as more time.

Peace

[belgirl]

Askloz:
If you expect people to respect what you are saying or even be interested in your services, the condescending attitude and arrogance has to go. Its not what you say, it's how you say it. No one knows everything about SEO--once you think you do, you cease to be effective.

[belgirl]

Originally Posted by anwar001

belgirl, what is your current rankings for your chosen keyword? Did you reach the first page of Google as yet? I see that the competition for the keywords you have chosen is quite less so it should be easily reachable. I have used Angela's and Paul's backlinks for much more competitive keyword articles at goarticles and got to the first page for most of my chosen keywords. So you see it is easily doable.

I am still on page 4. Argh! I will give it more time though...

[Angela V. Edwards]

Exactly. And on Google it IS "websites". That's why Angela shows 80 million competing items. On Yahoo it IS "pages". That's why for Angela Yahoo shows 248 MILLION competing items. That's ALSO why the Yahoo Site Explorer may show you several thousands of backlinks, but bunches of them come from the same domain. It's because Yahoo shows pages and Google shows websites. (That's also why Google counts only ONE anchor text keyword from the same URL per site. You could put 1,000 of the same keyword/URL combination on a domain, but Google will count it all as one.)

I TOTALLY understand "true competition". I TOLD you that. However, when you rank in Google, you want to rank high enough so that your actual customers will find you. Most people don't KNOW to use quotes. Most people WON'T use quotes.

Again, sure....I could be number 2 or even number ONE out of 50,000 results "with quotes". What good is THAT going to do me? Who cares? When the MAJORITY of my targeted audience searches for my search terms, they will NOT be using quotes. So, I'm number ONE "with quotes" out of 50,000 but I might be number 57 out of 865,000 without quotes.

Tell me this....how many, exactly, of my "targeted audience" are going to find me if I am number 57 in THEIR EYES? They don't have a clue that I am number one "with quotes". Why? Because they don't use quotes to search!!! Being number one does me absolutely NO GOOD AT ALL!! I'm number one for the "true competition" and the only ones that are ever going to know that are my competitors. How is THAT going to help me??

[AnneE]

Speaking of spammers ruining it for everyone... I went to register for PR 8 website in Angela's June packet and...

Sorry, registration of new members has been temporarily disabled while we deal with abuse by spammers

[Angela V. Edwards]

Originally Posted by AnneE

Speaking of spammers ruining it for everyone... I went to register for PR 8 website in Angela's June packet and...

Sorry, registration of new members has been temporarily disabled while we deal with abuse by spammers

Yeah, I know about that one. Thankfully, this month this sort of thing has not happened to very many sites. I worked extremely hard to get sites that were "spam resistant" this time.

[askloz]

No it's NOT.

it doesn't matter if you are using Ask.com, yahoo.com google.com. msn.com or what ever other extensions they have. they are COMPETING PAGES, not websites.

Get it right.

Crikey Girl.

Originally Posted by Angela V. Edwards

Exactly. And on Google it IS "websites". That's why Angela shows 80 million competing items. On Yahoo it IS "pages".

[Angela V. Edwards]

No, Google counts websites and Yahoo counts pages. That's why EVERY PAGE that your link is on is counted in Yahoo (Site Explorer) and why Google counts (and shows, if it shows your link at all...Google doesn't show every link) your link ONCE per domain.

Again, look up the keyword Angela in Google and then look it up in Yahoo. In Google, there are 83 million results. In Yahoo there are 248 million results.

[askloz]

Harsh? no, just stating a fact. It just pi**es me off when people who claim they can do this or that, yet still don't know what competing pages there are. Even just now she's still says Google's competing websites, and yahoo it's competing pages / items.

Results 1 - 100 of about 4,650,000 for allintitle:"Angela". (0.59 seconds)

Results 801 - 827 of about 4,650,000 for allintitle:"Angela". (1.91 seconds)

827 Competing websites. out of 4,650,000 PAGES

Originally Posted by indie08

Wow, askloz. A little harsh aren't we? I'm sure she understands what you're talking about. She is not providing seo tips, she's providing a service for links nothing more.

[Angela V. Edwards]

Originally Posted by askloz

Harsh? no, just stating a fact. It just pi**es me off when people who claim they can do this or that, yet still don't know what competing pages there are. Even just now she's still says Google's competing websites, and yahoo it's competing pages / items.

Results 1 - 100 of about 4,650,000 for allintitle:"Angela". (0.59 seconds)

Results 801 - 827 of about 4,650,000 for allintitle:"Angela". (1.91 seconds)

827 Competing websites. out of 4,650,000 PAGES

Allintitle shows you WEBSITE TITLES. Of COURSE that's going to be the same in both search engines. You are looking up the number of websites with Angela in the TITLE. That will be the same across the board. If you look up the keyword Angela in Google, there are 83 million results. In Yahoo, there are 248 million results. That's because Google counts entire websites and Yahoo counts pages.

While it's good to put your keywords in your title tag, those sites are not the only sites your searchers will see when they plug your keyword into Google. What we who are doing SEO for our websites care about is: will our searchers (most of whom will NOT be using quotes) see us at the top of the results when they plug in our keyword?

Most marketers know about "real" competition and the allintitle search command. None of that matters if the people who are searching don't find our website at the top when they search.

You can tell me I'm wrong about EVERYTHING. My customers DON'T CARE about that. What they care about is that my product gets their website in front of the eyes of the people who are searching for their keywords. That's the bottom line.

[Tenzo]

Originally Posted by askloz

If you know this, tell your followers about it. You've not mentioned it once since you've been boasting "Oh I'm at the top for a phrase that has 40,000,000 competing websites"... or what ever.

First off, it's not your competition, secondly, it's not websites. It's PAGES.

It's just annoying to see that someone who claims they can do SEO, don't get the facts right.

Wow. Realistically, you are competing with any site (or page) that is on the SERP where you want to be. Even if they aren't optimized, or are otherwise inefficient, doesn't mean you don't have to beat them.

And pages versus websites? Since when does arguing semantics demonstrate valid technique?

Regards,
Kevin

[David]

Originally Posted by kkchoon

SENUke is more powerful...

Combine it with Paul and Angela Back links...Superb!

I know about Angela's back links who is Paul?

can you post a link please?

[Angela V. Edwards]

Here is Paul's program:

Amazing Backlinks – Get 120 High Page Rank Backlinks per month! First Packet Of 50 Backlinks FREE!!

[crispin]

I think of competition in this way.

I want to be found for my targeted keyword as high up as I can (#1 if possible) for what people normally type in to google - my keyword without quotes.

My competition is, as Tenzo said, the pages that come up on page #1 of google when Someone searches on the keyword.

These sites may or may not have the keyword in the title, even on the page, but to me they are my competition, not some million other sites/pages that happen to be mentioned in google. (For example google tells me "1 - 10 of about 2,720,000,000" when I search for "click" without quotes, but I doubt if many of these sites are actually trying to rank for that keyword)

So have a good look at the ten pages listed on page #1 and check out their links, anchor text, titles, etc and then decide if you want to target that keyword phrase.

I'm sure there is a reasonable correlation between the number of pages/sites and how difficult it is to rank on page #1, so it is a useful high level filter, but look at the sites in the google results where you want your site to be for a more accurate picture.

Just my thoughts,

Crispin

[Angela V. Edwards]

Originally Posted by rjowais

In my views, anchor text plays a vital role in your google ranking,
it will help you to rise up the ranks for your key word!

Yes, you are right. Anchor text is about the most important thing there is for helping you rise up the ranks for your keyword.