The Angela Experiment: aka Let's gang up on Angela thread

[Ryan6]

Originally Posted by Andy Fletcher

Research doesn't have to be free. I happily pay for both Angela and Paul's link packets every month because it saves me so much time. In the same way as I don't write my own articles, make my own graphics or do any number of tasks that it's just not cost effective to do for myself.

As an example. Let's say it'd take me an hour to find 30 high PR links (that seems low but I'll go with it). Saying no to Angela's packet is saying my time is worth less than $5 an hour. I value my time a heck of a lot more than that so I happily ship Angela money. Same logic goes for Paul and any number of other service providers.

Angela may me able to provide some great links and if it is working then that is great. The thing that made me comment was when I read that someone posted that sites were now refusing sign ups due to spam. This would have been because people are going at these links at the same time, it's like someone selling info that a blog is PR6 and set to dofollow. Then the blogger logs in only to see 50 or 60 crappy "thanks for the info" type spam posts... making the blogger have to restrict or then set to nofollow. Why should they have to do that? This is exactly the same for the forum owners, site owners etc in this instance.

[Kevin McNally]

Lot's of "theory" in this thread , I think there is no doubt that Angela's links are working for many and for $5 it's a no brainer, of course you need to take action and target the correct keywords. Anyone who disputes it's worth paying for a service like this clearly doesn't value their time.

Getting back to the original topic, I still suggest changing the keywords you are targetting as "Panic Attack Heart Symptoms" has no demand, you may well be ranking for some other long tails but you could probably rank for this keyword with ease simply by buying the .com and .org domains that are available ( I still wouldn't suggest going for this keyword even with the exact keyword domain available).

If you want some other ideas for keywords, I have a small list I have uploaded which may help using Angela's backlinks , dig deep down the list for the good long tails. This keyword list uses adwords data.

http://keywordfriend.com/panicattack.csv

[Okane]

Originally Posted by Kevin McNally

If you want some other ideas for keywords, I have a small list I have uploaded which may help using Angela's backlinks , dig deep down the list for the good long tails. This keyword list uses adwords data.

Thanks, that's interesting.

One tip for viewing your list:
In excel, select column A, go to "data > Text to Columns", "next", mark "comma" as a delimiter, click "finish".
Makes it MUCH easier to read.

One question, how did you compile this list? Do you have a tool for this?

[CBSnooper]

Originally Posted by Andy Fletcher

Research doesn't have to be free. I happily pay for both Angela and Paul's link packets every month because it saves me so much time. In the same way as I don't write my own articles, make my own graphics or do any number of tasks that it's just not cost effective to do for myself.

As an example. Let's say it'd take me an hour to find 30 high PR links (that seems low but I'll go with it). Saying no to Angela's packet is saying my time is worth less than $5 an hour. I value my time a heck of a lot more than that so I happily ship Angela money. Same logic goes for Paul and any number of other service providers.

It's called outsourcing. Nothing wrong with it.

[Andy Fletcher]

Originally Posted by Ryan6

Angela may me able to provide some great links and if it is working then that is great. The thing that made me comment was when I read that someone posted that sites were now refusing sign ups due to spam. This would have been because people are going at these links at the same time, it's like someone selling info that a blog is PR6 and set to dofollow. Then the blogger logs in only to see 50 or 60 crappy "thanks for the info" type spam posts... making the blogger have to restrict or then set to nofollow. Why should they have to do that? This is exactly the same for the forum owners, site owners etc in this instance.

I agree completely. That's exactly why Angela and Paul have stopped including these types of sites. All links are now profile pages or similar. They still require spam-esque signups but they don't hurt the websites on the receiving end (what web2.0 company cares if they get a few thousand dud accounts on the system) and are very unlikely to get moderated away.

[atdavidson]

Hi all, just found this thread and wanted to comment on my experience of Angela's backlinks package.

I signed up to Angela's packets at the end of May after hearing lots of recommendations. I received May's packet straight away and June's packet at the start of that month.

I found what seemed to be a great keyword phrase relating to a clickbank product and setup a quick blog with one sales page, and about us, contact us, privacy policy pages. I prefer to use my own domains rather than article sites so this is not quite the experiment suggested originally.

Over a couple of days I began to promote the site with Angela's backlinks. I used around half of each packet to promote the site (say 30 links in all), intending to use more later.

After 3 days my site was listed #4 in google out of 59,100,000 without quotes (550 with quotes). Within a few hours the sales page was listed #1 in google and yahoo and the "about us" page #2 in google for searches with or without quotes. That’s positions #1 and #2 in google and #1 in yahoo within 4 days.

I have not added any new content or links for two weeks and the site has now slipped to #6 in google (it is still #1 in yahoo), but I am confident I could quickly regain top ranking by adding more content and backlinks.

I appreciate that this experiment was for a low competition keyword (only 550 websites) and uses a keyword domain rather than goarticles, but I am impressed with the power of Angela's backlinks.

Unless you are exceptionally struggling, or exceptionally successful I can't think of a better way to spend $5 per month.

Adam

[Steven Carl Kelly]

Originally Posted by Ryan6

Ha ha, noticed you just added some keywords, well done. No need to lose your cool. People shouldn't have to pay for free links. All they are required to do is carry out a little research. If they're too lazy to do that then they don't deserve to get anywhere near that first page.

Well, there goes any credibility you may have had with me on any subject. I've been at this business since the mid-90's and quite successful at it, and I will tell you this: my time is worth a WHOLE lot more than the $5.00 I pay for Angela's backlinks. I can't research 30 quality backlink sites in that time and then hand those sites over to someone else to get paid hourly to set them up for me. With Angela's packet, which includes step-by-step instructions, I simply have to shoot them over to one of my paid contractors and in a couple of hours time I have new backlinks, period.

That's not lazy, that's SMART. And when you reach a certain level of success, you'll see that it is MUCH smarter to pay someone to do low-level work for you rather than spend your own much more valuable time doing it yourself.

[4morereferrals]

T'was my whole point ... but I'm the moron ...

Hey Ryan6 ... best of luck to you.

Originally Posted by Steven Carl Kelly

Well, there goes any credibility you may have had with me on any subject. I've been at this business since the mid-90's and quite successful at it, and I will tell you this: my time is worth a WHOLE lot more than the $5.00 I pay for Angela's backlinks. I can't research 30 quality backlink sites in that time and then hand those sites over to someone else to get paid hourly to set them up for me. With Angela's packet, which includes step-by-step instructions, I simply have to shoot them over to one of my paid contractors and in a couple of hours time I have new backlinks, period.

That's not lazy, that's SMART. And when you reach a certain level of success, you'll see that it is MUCH smarter to pay someone to do low-level work for you rather than spend your own much more valuable time doing it yourself.

[Steven Carl Kelly]

Originally Posted by 4morereferrals

T'was my whole point ... but I'm the moron ....

You're a moron... a moron like a fox!

Wait, that's not right.

[4morereferrals]

Originally Posted by Steven Carl Kelly

You're a moron... a moron like a fox!

Wait, that's not right.

Wait ... I resemble that remark!

[belgirl]

Originally Posted by Steven Carl Kelly

Well, there goes any credibility you may have had with me on any subject. I've been at this business since the mid-90's and quite successful at it, and I will tell you this: my time is worth a WHOLE lot more than the $5.00 I pay for Angela's backlinks. I can't research 30 quality backlink sites in that time and then hand those sites over to someone else to get paid hourly to set them up for me. With Angela's packet, which includes step-by-step instructions, I simply have to shoot them over to one of my paid contractors and in a couple of hours time I have new backlinks, period.

That's not lazy, that's SMART. And when you reach a certain level of success, you'll see that it is MUCH smarter to pay someone to do low-level work for you rather than spend your own much more valuable time doing it yourself.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[belgirl]

Originally Posted by Kevin McNally

Lot's of "theory" in this thread , I think there is no doubt that Angela's links are working for many and for $5 it's a no brainer, of course you need to take action and target the correct keywords. Anyone who disputes it's worth paying for a service like this clearly doesn't value their time.

Getting back to the original topic, I still suggest changing the keywords you are targetting as "Panic Attack Heart Symptoms" has no demand, you may well be ranking for some other long tails but you could probably rank for this keyword with ease simply by buying the .com and .org domains that are available ( I still wouldn't suggest going for this keyword even with the exact keyword domain available).

If you want some other ideas for keywords, I have a small list I have uploaded which may help using Angela's backlinks , dig deep down the list for the good long tails. This keyword list uses adwords data.

http://keywordfriend.com/panicattack.csv

Thank you for taking the time to provide this!

[Ryan6]

Originally Posted by Steven Carl Kelly

Well, there goes any credibility you may have had with me on any subject. I've been at this business since the mid-90's and quite successful at it, and I will tell you this: my time is worth a WHOLE lot more than the $5.00 I pay for Angela's backlinks. I can't research 30 quality backlink sites in that time and then hand those sites over to someone else to get paid hourly to set them up for me. With Angela's packet, which includes step-by-step instructions, I simply have to shoot them over to one of my paid contractors and in a couple of hours time I have new backlinks, period.

That's not lazy, that's SMART. And when you reach a certain level of success, you'll see that it is MUCH smarter to pay someone to do low-level work for you rather than spend your own much more valuable time doing it yourself.

Yeah, it's very smart posting on one of the most popular webmaster forums on the web that you buy links. Did you pay someone else to read the Google TOS for you as well? Maybe you should ask for a refund.

[Steven Carl Kelly]

Originally Posted by Ryan6

Yeah, it's very smart posting on one of the most popular webmaster forums on the web that you buy links.

I don't buy links. I'm not sure where you came up with that.

[Paul M]

Originally Posted by Ryan6

Yeah, it's very smart posting on one of the most popular webmaster forums on the web that you buy links. Did you pay someone else to read the Google TOS for you as well? Maybe you should ask for a refund.

When you buy Angela's packets your not buying links, there free.

Your buying a conveniently packaged backlink research service.


-Paul

[Steven Carl Kelly]

Originally Posted by Paul M

When you buy Angela's packets your not buying links, there free.

Your buying a conveniently packaged backlink research service.

Paul:

The guy doesn't apparently even know what paid links are. Anyone who DOES know is fully aware that Angela's packages are not paid links. Clearly he doesn't even know what Google's position is (and I do) because if he did, he'd know very CLEARLY that Angela's packages are nowhere NEAR the definition of "paid links" to Google.

Just as an aside: Google's own Adwords ads which are displayed on external sites via Adsense are the dreaded "paid links" that Google "hates" so much!

[Angela V. Edwards]

Originally Posted by Paul M

When you buy Angela's packets your not buying links, there free.

Your buying a conveniently packaged backlink research service.


-Paul

He knows that. First he said "you shouldn't have to pay for free links" and now he's saying you're 'paying for links'. It's bait-and-switch, designed to rile you up.

[Mark-Dickenson]

Originally Posted by Ryan6

Ha ha, noticed you just added some keywords, well done. No need to lose your cool. People shouldn't have to pay for free links. All they are required to do is carry out a little research. If they're too lazy to do that then they don't deserve to get anywhere near that first page.

What are you talking about!?

I pay Angela $5 per month for 30 HIGH PR links

Do you know how long it would take me to find these links myself? I hate to even think about it

Not sure why people are attacking Angela in this thread. Here are my results

In the last week(maybe 10 days), I have had 1 keyword in the Acai Berry Niche, which is extremely competitive(1.2 mil w/o quotes and 400k with quotes....I don't have time to post the all in title results here)

Another site, health niche, very similiar competition, page 1...A Goarticles for an IM product number 1...again with similar comp

Over $500 in the last week. And as my 2 main sites climb page 1, I will collect even more dough

So, these links work. I was skeptical and even unsubscribed to her service in haste...then promplty re-subscribed after I saw my results

And another thing...I only care about competition with out quotes as that is was directly affects my bottom line

These links have put more money into my pocket than any other goofy SEO system people have been peddling around here. If you or that no-mannered AskLoz clown have something better, please share

[AdamWB]

Wow some of you guys would argue that the earth is still flat just for the sake of arguing.

Pages, websites, blah blah - are you kidding me? Does it matter? Really??

And to the dude who said these are paid links - come on ...just stop. Go spend your hours finding high PR links and I'll take mine for $5, hand it over to my workers and point and laugh while your still plugging away at your keyboard.

[discrat]

Originally Posted by George Dube

This wouldn't happen to be the same AskLoz from SeoElite and Keyword Elite would it?

Frankly, I dont care who he is or how awesome he is at IM and SEO !! I just hope he does us all a favor and permanently excuses himself from these Forums !

[indie08]

agreed! I wanna see more people taking more action with the links. They're great!

[AndyBlackSEO]

Angela. How well do Squidoo pages rank when your links are applied?

I'm thinking of dong some affiliate marketing to try a few things out.

[Angela V. Edwards]

Hi Andy,

I know that Squidoo generally is VERY good in the Search Engines. A year or so ago, there was a big hoopla that happened there where someone set up thousands of lenses that had no value or something (they were about phlegm or some such) and this caused a bit of uproar with Google and they lost a bit of their "search engine love" but I think they do fine anyway; especially if you do links to the lenses.

[mikkosant]

squidoo does not seem to respond very well to the backlinks.(at least when I applied around 200 High PR Links from the packets) I spent a ton of time on a lens and it did not move. My articles on the other hand...

[Angela V. Edwards]

Thank you, Mikkosant. That's good information. I wasn't sure, as I have never tried it.

[franchiseshop]

Wow - it took me a good 2 hours to read this thread. (in-between taking breaks)

It should be marked down as one of the greatest threads of all time :-)

I think that it shows the tremendous variation in search engine knowledge, techniques, styles and even "moral high-ground" that runs in the SEO/Webmaster community. This comes with SEO not being an exact science as such and damn does it cause daily arguments and flaming across the interwebs...

I'm not going to even bother replying to the half dozen posters i would love to comment too, no point feeding the fire ; - ) Back to the OP though. Hows that article ranking? In google.co.uk I can see goarticles are at #1 and #2, ohh and the same in google.com. If any are belgirls then that would be a most awesome advertisment and experiment conclusion : - D

[Angela V. Edwards]

She's on Page One now, "indented" at number 6. Another person took the exact words in my example, wrote a Goarticles article using them and now holds the number one spot for those keywords. Because Belgirl's keywords are the same words in a different order, his article also places on this particular search.

But she's on Page One now...in less than two days, if I remember correctly.

[franchiseshop]

Well I am seeing 2 goarticles in my results, at #1 and #2 in Google.com & Google.co.uk so we are getting results from different datacentres perhaps.

As far as i can see she is 1 or 2 in Google, which is her article? ;-)

1646819 is #1
1666711 is #2

Edit - Maybe neither of course!

[Angela V. Edwards]

Yeah, it's different data centers. I checked Google.co.uk and I don't see hers on Page One. But it's on US Google's page one right now. I'm sure as she gets more links to it it will also show on UK Google.

[Angela V. Edwards]

I also think you are checking the actual keywords the way they were given in the example. I see the #1 and indented #2 that you are seeing with Panic Heart Attack Symptoms. But Belgirl is optimizing for Panic Attack Heart Symptoms, which makes a slight difference.

It IS interesting that the person who optimized the EXACT words used in the example and wrote a Goarticles article with those keywords holds the Number One spot for both US Google AND UK Google.

[Monika Mundell]

Originally Posted by Ryan6

Angela may me able to provide some great links and if it is working then that is great. The thing that made me comment was when I read that someone posted that sites were now refusing sign ups due to spam. This would have been because people are going at these links at the same time, it's like someone selling info that a blog is PR6 and set to dofollow. Then the blogger logs in only to see 50 or 60 crappy "thanks for the info" type spam posts... making the blogger have to restrict or then set to nofollow. Why should they have to do that? This is exactly the same for the forum owners, site owners etc in this instance.

I think Ryan does have a point here. I also buy Angela's backlinks and am very pleased with her work. Her services provide me with a big favor because it saves me time to do the research myself. The problem with releasing info like this is like Ryan mentioned, too many people go at it as if there is not tomorrow.

If you are smart, build your links gradually and make them look decent. It might take longer, but in the long term you will see results that stick.

So what if some sites prevent you from signing up? It is the variety that counts. Mix it up. Directory submissions, dofollow blog comments (on low traffic blogs), article marketing and Angela's sites all contribute towards one way backlinks. Not to mention other avenues.

[JaySabree]

this is very intriguing

[franchiseshop]

Originally Posted by Angela V. Edwards

I also think you are checking the actual keywords the way they were given in the example. I see the #1 and indented #2 that you are seeing with Panic Heart Attack Symptoms. But Belgirl is optimizing for Panic Attack Heart Symptoms, which makes a slight difference.

It IS interesting that the person who optimized the EXACT words used in the example and wrote a Goarticles article with those keywords holds the Number One spot for both US Google AND UK Google.

Absolutely, my bad... checked the wrong keywords. :-(

[4morereferrals]

I just caught on to what this experiment seems to be about.

Are there really that many people with their knickers in a twist over the 4 word long tail ...Panic Attack Heart Symptoms ?

Results 1 - 10 of about 236 for "Panic Attack Heart Symptoms". (0.23 seconds)

Results 1 - 10 of about 761,000 for Panic Attack Heart Symptoms. (0.16 seconds)

Whats the experiment proving actually?

Does that term actually get any searches?

Help me out here ...

Originally Posted by Angela V. Edwards

I also think you are checking the actual keywords the way they were given in the example. I see the #1 and indented #2 that you are seeing with Panic Heart Attack Symptoms. But Belgirl is optimizing for Panic Attack Heart Symptoms, which makes a slight difference.

It IS interesting that the person who optimized the EXACT words used in the example and wrote a Goarticles article with those keywords holds the Number One spot for both US Google AND UK Google.

[Angela V. Edwards]

Yes, that term gets 327 daily searches of it's own; a portion of the crowd searching for Panic Attack searches for this "long tail" version of the keyword:

Panic Attack

SEO Book shows similar results

[indie08]

OMG! I just logged in to my goarticles acccount and my titles are all deleted!!! The article and links are still there but no titles???!!! I looked up the article in the serps clicked on it and no title. What is going on??? I just changed my password....

[Angela V. Edwards]

PM me your user name and I will take a look, Indie.

[indie08]

Angela, I actually just reposted the titles, so all is back to normal. I just don't understand. Oh well, guess we'll see what happens. I'll probably lose all my rankings. I'll throw 30 of Paul's links at them tonight....

[indie08]

The funny thing is, my previous 5 articles weren't touched?

[Angela V. Edwards]

Well, let me know what happens.

[belgirl]

Originally Posted by 4morereferrals

I just caught on to what this experiment seems to be about.

Are there really that many people with their knickers in a twist over the 4 word long tail ...Panic Attack Heart Symptoms ?

Results 1 - 10 of about 236 for "Panic Attack Heart Symptoms". (0.23 seconds)

Results 1 - 10 of about 761,000 for Panic Attack Heart Symptoms. (0.16 seconds)

Whats the experiment proving actually?

Does that term actually get any searches?

Help me out here ...

The idea is this: If a search term has more than double digit daily searches and has competing pages of about 500,000 or less, then it should be simple to get at the top of Google with one article at GoArticles using that term and at least 30 high pr backlinks pointing to that article. The goal of the article is to provide something that people need and want--even during a recession. The term in the article links to an affiliate product such as "Panic Away" which has a high gravity score and payout from Clickbank. Even if you had only 2 conversions per day, its worth it for a minimal amount of work.

[Angela V. Edwards]

That was an excellent summary, Belgirl.

[belgirl]

Originally Posted by Angela V. Edwards

She's on Page One now, "indented" at number 6. Another person took the exact words in my example, wrote a Goarticles article using them and now holds the number one spot for those keywords. Because Belgirl's keywords are the same words in a different order, his article also places on this particular search.

But she's on Page One now...in less than two days, if I remember correctly.

Why can't I see my article on Page 1? I am seeing it on Page 5..?

[belgirl]

Originally Posted by franchiseshop

Well I am seeing 2 goarticles in my results, at #1 and #2 in Google.com & Google.co.uk so we are getting results from different datacentres perhaps.

As far as i can see she is 1 or 2 in Google, which is her article? ;-)

1646819 is #1
1666711 is #2

Edit - Maybe neither of course!

NEITHER!

[Angela V. Edwards]

That's so weird. I have no idea why *I* would get it as a "personalized" search but apparently I am, because I looked for it through a proxy and you're right; it's not on Page One right now.

[Kevin Lam]

Guys, I just wanted to quickly say that ALL OF YOU ARE AMAZING! I could NEVER, EVER in my life follow a thread this long, lol. The most pages I've followed and interacted with was 4-5 pages. But 7? With over 300 responses? No way. I don't even know what all is being said in here, but I just wanted to tell you guys are amazing for being so dedicated.

Anyway, good luck with the experiment and that all the other sites don't kill off Angela's link program.

[Angela V. Edwards]

Thanks, Kevin...I think.

We actually kept up by following the thread. I'm sure reading the thread from the beginning until now is a more daunting task.

[Kevin Lam]

Exactly. Just can't see myself keeping up with all that. I have enough going on in life as it is. Anyway, take care everyone. Good luck with everything.

[4morereferrals]

LOL ... whos the handsome mofo at Position #6 on page one when you search like this "panic attack heart symptoms" ?

Damn that guys good ...

Nothing like ranking on page 1 #6 with one post! Top That! LOL

How many searches a day does that longtail get? Maybe people are having panic attacks over their backlinks and SEO - maybe it'll get some traction to my WSO ... LOL.

Classic. Sorry - having some fun.

Originally Posted by Kevin Lam

Exactly. Just can't see myself keeping up with all that. I have enough going on in life as it is. Anyway, take care everyone. Good luck with everything.

[Kevin Lam]

Alright, you guys have me interested now. Are we all trying to rank for "panic attack heart symptoms" or something? Crap, now look what you've done, Steve. I have to go read the previous few pages to get caught up on what's going on! Thank you very much!