The Angela Experiment: aka Let's gang up on Angela thread

[Angela V. Edwards]

If you want to know where your "real" position is as the rest of the world sees it, go through a proxy. Here is a good one: http://www.pagewash.com/

[Jeremy Kelsall]

Showing up for me too steve

[Jeremy Kelsall]

BTW In a few hours, I will know exactly how many searches these 2 keywords get per day

[Angela V. Edwards]

Did any of you use the proxy? Because I don't see it in the first two pages when I use the proxy. However, I was going to congratulate Steve on installing Wordpress on the site. Wordpress is also very SEO friendly.

[AnneE]

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

BTW In a few hours, I will know exactly how many searches these 2 keywords get per day

How? The descrepancies between keyword tools drive me crazy. I had thought as others indicated, that you only used it to get a rough idea of search volume. So how can one know for sure? Please enlighten me.

Anne

P.S. 4MoreReferrals -- what is QDF??

[richnash33]

Can someone tell me if there is a way to find out how many backlinks are recognized for a goarticles article? I tried putting the url in site explorer but the url was not recognized.

I ask because I have about 4 articles with 30 backlinks each that are not getting any traction yet. It has been about a week.
Thanks
Rich

[mikkosant]

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

BTW In a few hours, I will know exactly how many searches these 2 keywords get per day

Adwords impressions eh?

They will be inflated due to this very popular thread.

[Jeremy Kelsall]

I'm sure they will but I bet it still isn't 330 at the 12 hour mark it was only 13 and a couple of them were from me.

[4morereferrals]

Hehehe ... you da man - Ill be watching ...

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

BTW In a few hours, I will know exactly how many searches these 2 keywords get per day

[4morereferrals]

Query Deserves Freshness ... a term better explained by others - but a factor in googles algo [ as I understand it ] that essentially states that google wants to bring forward the freshest most relevant content to its readers.

I suspect this is getting a freshness boost ...

Originally Posted by AnneE

How? The descrepancies between keyword tools drive me crazy. I had thought as others indicated, that you only used it to get a rough idea of search volume. So how can one know for sure? Please enlighten me.

Anne

P.S. 4MoreReferrals -- what is QDF??

[Jeremy Kelsall]

Panic attack heart symptoms - 81 which I'm sure includes a number of searches from this forum.

Panic heart attack symptoms - 16 which I'm sure includes a number of searches from this forum.

So, if you get the number one spot and get roughly 40% of searches, you can expect to get about 35 or so visitors a day to your article. If you have a 50% CTR which is insane, you get about 18 visitors a day to a sales page. If it converts at 1:100 Then you make about 2 sales a week which might be worth it for some people.

But, for a keyword like this, I would be trying to push that traffic to my own blog or site where you can capture email addresses for this niche. The conversions are a hell of a lot better that way than preselling through an article and sending them to a sales page...I've tested both ways in this niche.

Keep in mind that the numbers I quoted above are a bit skewed as I'm sure at least 20 - 30 of those searches came from this forum so, the calculations are not exact

[4morereferrals]

Id say those search counts are inflated by double over the last 4 days.

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

Panic attack heart symptoms - 81 which I'm sure includes a number of searches from this forum.

Panic heart attack symptoms - 16 which I'm sure includes a number of searches from this forum.

So, if you get the number one spot and get roughly 40% of searches, you can expect to get about 35 or so visitors a day to your article. If you have a 50% CTR which is insane, you get about 18 visitors a day to a sales page. If it converts at 1:100 Then you make about 2 sales a week which might be worth it for some people.

But, for a keyword like this, I would be trying to push that traffic to my own blog or site where you can capture email addresses for this niche. The conversions are a hell of a lot better that way than preselling through an article and sending them to a sales page...I've tested both ways in this niche.

Keep in mind that the numbers I quoted above are a bit skewed as I'm sure at least 20 - 30 of those searches came from this forum so, the calculations are not exact

[Sell]

Competiton is a very big problem for most, it will be interseting to see the results. Articles are a very good way to increase quality traffic to your site, the more the better!

[wizlor]

I don;t quite understand why Goarticles is chosen instead of Hupages or Squidoo. Of course, the best is still getting the links to your own blog or website in the long run.

[jlaw6402]

May I just add, quality articles, not quantity is key as well. In the past, I've sent out random articles hoping to take short cuts but I've learned from my mistakes. Quality is definitely important.

[Steven Carl Kelly]

My backlinks focus on my sites directly, not my articles. However, I understand the rationale of focusing on getting your articles ranked higher. I'd rather not have folks going through a third party then hoping they'll click again to get to my site... but in some cases, getting the article ranked higher is easier than getting our own pages ranked as high.

[Angela V. Edwards]

Originally Posted by Steven Carl Kelly

My backlinks focus on my sites directly, not my articles. However, I understand the rationale of focusing on getting your articles ranked higher. I'd rather not have folks going through a third party then hoping they'll click again to get to my site... but in some cases, getting the article ranked higher is easier than getting our own pages ranked as high.

I always put two links on each site; one to my article and one to my website. That way, BOTH get the benefit of the backlinks.

[FredJones]

Wanted to report that I am at #3 for a GoArticles I had written to try Angela's experiment for something with 15K search results without quotes - my EZA had been at #9 for long time in this, which has now moved down to #10, thanks to a "new comperitor" occupying the #3 slot. For another keyword (another article) I am at #8, with 56K results. Another article - I had written to compete again 562K search results, does not appear - but if I search with a different keyword whhich I stumbled on by accident (mind, all the 3 articles are on the subniche of the same niche - so me stumbling over that unexpected keyword was not that odd), this article appears at #10 out o 130K search results (I am freaking clueless about this).

And people, I am clueless on why so many of you are connecting the number of searches to do Angela's GoArticles experiment. The number of searches has to do with profits, but nothing with rankings. Angela's experiments are purely focused on rankings - how well can you rank for search terms for what keywords based upon which strategy you select - and she had only motivated people to do it by adding her note on profits.

[momkat]

This is a great thread...

I was wondering something.. Can anyone speak to 'why' goarticles might be more receptive to backlinking than ezinearticles?

Thanks.

[Floyd Bogart]

Originally Posted by indie08

I'm beginning to get a little concerned about Angela and Paul's backlinks. Just received 5 e-mails that stated my profiles were removed! Anyone else experiencing this? I'm setting up my profiles and such to make it look like I'm a valuable user....

That is strange as I did a whole set of Angela's and two sets of Paul's and only had one site remove mine...

Did you fill out the whole profile and upload a profile pic for each? I did, and filled out all of the basic info requested and it still takes me less than 5 minutes per site.

[Jeremy Kelsall]

I'm sorry if my participation in this thread led it "off course". I was just trying to make sure that the OP was getting a good bang for her buck with the keywords she chose :

[Monika Mundell]

Originally Posted by dualdtmz

Good luck, Ive done tons and tons of testing over the past 45 days. I was on the first page of Google for the following keywords: Debt Settlement, Debt Negotiation, Debt Counseling, Eliminate Debt and Credit Card Consolidation, all of which are lucrative keyterms and I did not make a single sale. I got hundreds of hits within hours of being first page and I did exactly the same method of promoting my goarticles link.

Perhaps the reason why you didn't make a single sale from these keywords is a lack of a strong resource box in your articles (I do assume you used article marketing to rank for these keywords). Please forgive me if I'm wrong.

But unless you have a very STRONG call to ACTION in your article resource box, chances are that your readers will click out elsewhere and not on your affiliate link.

[jitendrakbharai]

Hello,

Yeah,absolutely true.You got to have a very strong resource box and a strong but nicely worded call to action.Only then can you expect to make a sale.

jitendra

[banker0679]

1. It looks like a lot of article bases have 2 different links for the same article page. Make sure to use the link that shows up in Google index not the one you think is appropriate.

2. These backlinks may take up to 1-2 weeks to see the full benefit.

3. Not all backlinks of any kind will show up in your Yahoo site explorer or Google webmaster tools. The best way to see if these links show up is to search them by the username you used or the URL on Google's search engine.

4. The internal linking on the website may have a nofollow on the internal links so Google may not follow or find your page where it contains the backlinks. You will need to social bookmark these backlink pages so Google can find these pages. Once Google finds these pages then it will recognize the whole domain AND the page you have the backlink on. Bookmarking these sites will help these pages to get crawled.

5. Do not immediately add another page to the same site IF these site's homepage shows your username in the homepage. Wait till another user signs up so your first username gets crawled by Google. If you immediately add another one then your first username may not be crawled...and maybe just the 2nd one. Good time to do this work is late at night so you know there's no other person who will sign up right after you.

[StevenSaliba]

Originally Posted by Okane

I started my own "Angela Experiment" yesterday. Here are my results so far... and a question for you.

Two keywords, A and B.
A = 'XX sweat'
B = 'lose weight XX'

(search volume per month / results for search in quotes / without quotes)
A: (12.000 / 35.800 / 200.000)
B: (12.100 / 26.200 / 2.310.000)

Yesterday, I added backlinks for these keywords to 10 of the sites from Angela's package. My plan is to add 10 every day.

This morning I searched both keywords - without quotes(!)

A --> my article is #9 on the first page
B --> my article is #6 on the first page

"Wow"

Now, my question is this...

If it is so easy to rank well, why would I continue doing article marketing the "classical way"? Instead of trying to rank with my ezinearticles, wouldn't it be better to put those articles on my own website / review site and use Angela's backlinks to push my own site?

...Marc...

That's A Great Point Marc. I think it would be an excellent idea to put your article on your own site and then start the backlinking process. I was thinking of doing that. I like Ezine Articles, it's just that it isn't certain that my articles will always be there. I don't have any control over what Ezine articles does in the near future...

[cashcow]

If it is so easy to rank well, why would I continue doing article marketing the "classical way"? Instead of trying to rank with my ezinearticles, wouldn't it be better to put those articles on my own website / review site and use Angela's backlinks to push my own site?

This is smart thinking, but the reason you get ranked so high from your goarticles and ezinearticles articles is that the domain they are on is already "trusted" by google. It's likely you would not get the same results from your own domain, unless, of course it has a lot of backlinks and high PR.

That being said, a really interesting test would be to get an article at goarticles or ezinearticles to rank consistently in the top 3 for a month or so, then put another article targetting the same keywords on your own domain and use the exact same backlinks and see where it ends up in comparison to the original article.

Lee

[Doug D]

It comes down to your goals-- Do you want to get your site ranked #1 for certain keywords, or do you want to get your article ranked #1. If your end game...is getting your site to the top...do not waste links strictly on your article...that is, if you have a location where you can put links, and you want to send one to your article and one to your site...then that is fine. If you were only able to do one link in a particular location...then you certainly would not want to point that link at your article...as oppose to your site, unless, your end game...was to get your article ranked.

[banker0679]

unless you want a page on your site to be penalized for dup content then i wouldnt recommend posting the same article.

i have seen bad results from posting the same article or press release on various sites...and only the MAJOR AUTHORITY site was left on page 1 after a couple of weeks.
All the other sites were put into the supplemental index

[Doug D]

Absolutely banker!
I didn't mention that, as I figured most here would know that.

[Angela V. Edwards]

Originally Posted by cashcow

This is smart thinking, but the reason you get ranked so high from your goarticles and ezinearticles articles is that the domain they are on is already "trusted" by google. It's likely you would not get the same results from your own domain, unless, of course it has a lot of backlinks and high PR.

That being said, a really interesting test would be to get an article at goarticles or ezinearticles to rank consistently in the top 3 for a month or so, then put another article targetting the same keywords on your own domain and use the exact same backlinks and see where it ends up in comparison to the original article.

Lee

I think people SHOULD do this; eventually, they could have TWO spots on Page One. And if they did it with a third platform, like another article directory or a Hubpage or something, they could have THREE spots on Page One.

[Angela V. Edwards]

Originally Posted by Doug D

Absolutely banker!
I didn't mention that, as I figured most here would know that.

I don't know why he was put into the "supplemental index" but it was NOT because of what he thinks is 'duplicate content'. Even Google tells us that what we keep hearing is 'duplicate content' is NOT and there ISN'T a penalty for that.

Read what Google has to say about it.

[Doug D]

Hey Angela,
I'm the guy that bought all your back-packages before I even saw the 1st one. I knew the value in it, and am glad that I did so. I know there is know duplicate content penalty. Its not about that. The point is.....to take it to an extreme... If you distributed 100 articles around the web-- If they were all identical...you would not benefit "link wise", as you would if those articles were all "unique" content.OOOOHHPPS! My bad!
I just went back and looked at Banker's post.....and, my BAD! I didn't fully read it.
I am well aware that there is no dup content penalty. I only MEANT to say that you would want to create varied content, so as to reap more link love...then you would if the content were identical.
Thanks for correcting my carelessness. And thank you for providing an awesome product. I still say...raise the price. Hey, can you do another 30 a month? Make em "angela's platinum package" I'll sign up 1st. $20 a month or something...would be fine.
Doug

[The Big Deal]

Ok, I'm going to give this a shot. Let's say I have 10 different sites I want to give backlinks to. I see that some of these sites let you add multiple backlinks, so on those do you think its better to do only a few backlinks per profile and then start a new profile for a few more..etc

[Angela V. Edwards]

Originally Posted by Doug D

Hey Angela,
I'm the guy that bought all your back-packages before I even saw the 1st one. I knew the value in it, and am glad that I did so. I know there is know duplicate content penalty. Its not about that. The point is.....to take it to an extreme... If you distributed 100 articles around the web-- If they were all identical...you would not benefit "link wise", as you would if those articles were all "unique" content.OOOOHHPPS! My bad!
I just went back and looked at Banker's post.....and, my BAD! I didn't fully read it.
I am well aware that there is no dup content penalty. I only MEANT to say that you would want to create varied content, so as to reap more link love...then you would if the content were identical.
Thanks for correcting my carelessness. And thank you for providing an awesome product. I still say...raise the price. Hey, can you do another 30 a month? Make em "angela's platinum package" I'll sign up 1st. $20 a month or something...would be fine.
Doug

Thank you very much for your kind words, Doug. I know that putting an identical article on various article directories may not help you very much with link power, but I have a couple of folks who SWEAR (in a good way ) that the "blogs" on the various High Page Rank sites help their rankings in the SERPS more than any other type of site.

This isn't something I've tested, but I have heard it a couple of times.

The reasons I don't do larger packets are for the following:

#1. I want even newbies to be successful online and I designed this program so that people could put up one link per day, if they're busy, which MOST people are. Many newbies just don't have the funds to outsource the job to someone else and I don't want more established marketers to have the advantage over the newbies. They always have the advantage over newbies with other programs; usually because they have more disposable income.

#2. I look high and low for the highest Page Rank, best quality sites for my packets. I don't know that I could offer super High Page Rank, High Quality sites in larger numbers on a continuous basis. (Trying to be diplomatic here; I am ONLY speaking about my own program, not anyone else's.) I could find a bunch of sites that are not quite as high in PR or quality and give them out, but I choose not to do that as I prefer to give higher quality, higher Page Rank sites. For the last four months, my links have been Page Rank 6 and above and at this time I am not recording any site below Page Rank 6 for my upcoming packets.

Remember that now, I cannot add any "comment type" site because of the thieves and spammers who have been abusing my products: no blogs, no forums, no newsstory commenting. This cuts out a BUNCH of High Page Rank sites that could otherwise have been in the packets, including several Page Rank 9 websites.

[Angela V. Edwards]

Originally Posted by The Big Deal

Ok, I'm going to give this a shot. Let's say I have 10 different sites I want to give backlinks to. I see that some of these sites let you add multiple backlinks, so on those do you think its better to do only a few backlinks per profile and then start a new profile for a few more..etc

Some sites I have added up to 8 links on. You pretty much kind of have to "go with your gut" and if it feels like it would be too much for the site, then put fewer links there. But some sites, many links is not in any way a problem.

[Doug D]

I hear ya Angela. I have never tested a thing. well, a/b and multivariate for conversion...but thats different. I am not the average warrior member, that is...I only have one site, and it is built to do 6 figures a month...with long term growth and the goal of owning the niche, so to speak. Instead, I look at it like a professional football team...as an example. If you watch football a lot...you know who the best players are.
After a couple thousand hours of research...you get a sense for who the top seo's are. I read their writings and pay for their knowledge...in some cases. I just signed up for Dan Thies's link course. It was 800 bucks, but I know that it is money well spent.
Anyway, all I can do is study that which is put out by those that do extensive testing, and use that as the bases for my actions and opinions.
That being said, who the hell knows anymore? I mean all the "gurus" missed the whole nofollow debacle, w.t.f.? LOL
Thanks Angela,
Doug

[emakina]

Originally Posted by Angela V. Edwards

#2. I look high and low for the highest Page Rank, best quality sites for my packets. I don't know that I could offer super High Page Rank, High Quality sites in larger numbers on a continuous basis. (Trying to be diplomatic here; I am ONLY speaking about my own program, not anyone else's.) I could find a bunch of sites that are not quite as high in PR or quality and give them out, but I choose not to do that as I prefer to give higher quality, higher Page Rank sites. For the last four months, my links have been Page Rank 6 and above and at this time I am not recording any site below Page Rank 6 for my upcoming packets.

hello angela,
I just bought the link packets for the past 4 months. having read this post now. i am a little worried. how much of those links will be useful to me now as i assume most of the sites you recommended are no longer useful because of the spammers.

[The Big Deal]

Originally Posted by Angela V. Edwards

Some sites I have added up to 8 links on. You pretty much kind of have to "go with your gut"

Sure, that makes sense. Well, I'm looking forward to getting started tonight and will post any notable updates as they happen. Thanks for the information.

[Doug D]

emakina,
Don't fret. #1 most of the sites from past packets are still good. Be smart about it...spend the extra few minutes...type a little blurb that somehow ties you or your product in with the theme of the site. I fill out a lot of more of the profile then is required, but I do a little extra to help insure that if a human looked at my profile...they might not write it off as spam. USE ROBOFORM, or something of the like. I do all Angela's sites in one day. It will get quicker as you do more of them.
Frankly I would pay 5 times more for her packets. So, even if a couple sites were problematic...who cares? It would be a bargain if it were 5 sites for 5 bucks. With the instructions she gives you etc. etc. The only thing that would bother me is any time wasted. But that is not her fault, if there are a couple. Just start going through and getting your links...and don't stress about a couple that might have changed there policy or dofollow, or whatever.
****! I guess I didn't have a #2?

[emakina]

Originally Posted by Doug D

emakina,
Don't fret. #1 most of the sites from past packets are still good. Be smart about it...spend the extra few minutes...type a little blurb that somehow ties you or your product in with the theme of the site. I fill out a lot of more of the profile then is required, but I do a little extra to help insure that if a human looked at my profile...they might not write it off as spam. USE ROBOFORM, or something of the like. I do all Angela's sites in one day. It will get quicker as you do more of them.
Frankly I would pay 5 times more for her packets. So, even if a couple sites were problematic...who cares? It would be a bargain if it were 5 sites for 5 bucks. With the instructions she gives you etc. etc. The only thing that would bother me is any time wasted. But that is not her fault, if there are a couple. Just start going through and getting your links...and don't stress about a couple that might have changed there policy or dofollow, or whatever.
****! I guess I didn't have a #2?

have they worked for your sites?

[DFR]

I added Angelas links to two of my sites on Sunday June 14th. One site was on page 3 and the other on page 2. Tonight or I should say this morning both sites are on the first page. Site one is 3rd and site 2 is 6th. Both sites have over 5,000 visitors per month and site one has 12,000 competing sites when put in quotes and site 2 has 8,800. I should note my sites are not full of content and tons of pages. I thank Angela and her links work.

[emakina]

my niche has almost a million competitors. don't know if angelas links would do any good.

[mistermickster]

Hi Angela,

Can you tell me how I go about getting past backlink packets pease? My first packet was in April.

[PetraW]

Originally Posted by Alessandro Zamboni

As a Keyword Research Tool I generally use Micro Niche Finder, and it's real that GoArticles have a fastly indexing connected with high PR, so it converts better and faster than EzineArticles and others.

You can achieve the first three position on Google just using terms highly researched but with a low competition.

I suggest always to link the articles to a frank review site or to a free report to get a lead.

Goodbye.

I am still a little confused as to whether you can submit the same article to different Article sites. So far I am only using Ezine Articles, but I believe I could submit my articles on Ezine just the same to Go Articles without changing them. Is that correct? Without hurting my rankings?

[Netcel]

Hey Doug, Have you got a link to good WSO that explains how to use Roboform for Angelas backlinks?

[banker0679]

you're right it's not a 'penalty' but more of a filter

i have written many articles and press releases
you will notice that a COUPLE of those press releases or articles will stay in the top 10 pages.
This isn't 'something new'...as it has been around for a while.

I had many articles that were posted on 1 of my sites...then i took those articles and posted them to PR sites and Article sites.
My site got pushed down to page 10+ for every single article i duplicated
The article sites or Press release sites stayed on page and they stayed there for MONTHS until i went back to my website and changed the article, and did a REINCLUSION request to Google. Within a few days my site was back on page 1, AND the press release or article site was pushed down.

This happened within the last 6weeks....so believe what you want but please do not mislead folks telling them it's OKAY to submit the identical articles from your website to another site. Google probably doesnt have robots to detect something like this but they do have your competitors who can report you or report spam in the index

[Jeremy123]

Petra,

you can submit the same article to many article directories,

but make sure the articles on your website are different,

from the ones you submit to the directories.

[torozo]

I know about Angela's backlinks. They're great. But I don't know about Paul's Backlink, Where I can find his website? Thank you.

[Doug D]

Netcel-- Just Google "roboform" You can download it for free. I am totally "tech" challenged, and I set it up in about 15 minutes. Once you set up a "profile" in roboform...when you get to the sites...all you have to do is click a button...and all the profile info is filled in for you. I do suggest that you do a quick visual to make sure that everything looks right.

Emakina-- My site has been live for approx 6 weeks. I am on the 1st page for all of my most important keywords. I do not care about the # that G. returns for a particular keyword. All I care about it...is how stiff the competition is on the 1st page. I would suggest Market Samurai, or something of the like....to analyze the competition. I am in a niche...but I am competing against Amazon, Nextag, Target etc. In most cases I have risen above them. I will probably get 10-12k uniques...next month, maybe 8-9 this month. My sales are good considering Ive only been live for 6 weeks or so. I have done a few different things...some article distribution, but mostly I have purchased every packet from Paul and Angela...and I would say that their links are approx 80% of my current links. And yes! I attribute most of my rankings to those to sources. I highly recommend both of those packets.

[Saidar]

Originally Posted by Doug D

Netcel-- Just Google "roboform" You can download it for free. I am totally "tech" challenged, and I set it up in about 15 minutes. Once you set up a "profile" in roboform...when you get to the sites...all you have to do is click a button...and all the profile info is filled in for you. I do suggest that you do a quick visual to make sure that everything looks right.

Emakina-- My site has been live for approx 6 weeks. I am on the 1st page for all of my most important keywords. I do not care about the # that G. returns for a particular keyword. All I care about it...is how stiff the competition is on the 1st page. I would suggest Market Samurai, or something of the like....to analyze the competition. I am in a niche...but I am competing against Amazon, Nextag, Target etc. In most cases I have risen above them. I will probably get 10-12k uniques...next month, maybe 8-9 this month. My sales are good considering Ive only been live for 6 weeks or so. I have done a few different things...some article distribution, but mostly I have purchased every packet from Paul and Angela...and I would say that their links are approx 80% of my current links. And yes! I attribute most of my rankings to those to sources. I highly recommend both of those packets.

That is excellent, I used Angela's links for the first time about three weeks ago, and nothing happened but today my rankings suddenly jumped, so her links must definitely work, it only takes some time on certain Google servers

Tell me, do you build all of those links in a short time?