Will Brute Force SEO and SENUKE Get SLapped?

[drnet]

I just read a really interesting article about automating social bookmarking to game links and search engines results.

Funny, I have been testing SENUKE and have had some great results...but just in google...None in Yahoo and MSN?

Humm...

So, how effective will these tools be? Can they be used effectively to help or will it all be just a short lived fad?

I am very curious as to what you think.

Pete's Badass softwares have been very popular and now he is about to come out with Brute force Seo...

I am sure it will be very hot and he may make the first million with a WSO, but where does that leave Google.

Do you not think they will also buy a copy and figure out what is going on?

Most people will not use it in a calm or tame way, they will try to "MAKE MONEY" as quickly as possible, but most likely it will go as fast as it came.

What do you think?

Sam

[Jeremy Kelsall]

I think that the people that use these programs responsibly will still see the benefits.

It's the ones that use them like morons that will get slapped into oblivion.

[drnet]

Well, I think the majority will use them irresponsibly..

That is what I have been thinking about alot with senuke and how best to use it. I have spent over 3 weeks gently playing with it to see what it does and what the results are.

It is going to be interesting to watch that is for sure.

[Steve Porcaro]

I totally agree Google has people in these forums and buying products...they factor in how these will effect their overall service and product. Some tools will be accepted.

Heck Joomla and Wordpress have been abused but still held in high regard.

Originally Posted by sclark

I just read a really interesting article about automating social bookmarking to game links and search engines results.

Funny, I have been testing SENUKE and have had some great results...but just in google...None in Yahoo and MSN?

Humm...

So, how effective will these tools be? Can they be used effectively to help or will it all be just a short lived fad?

I am very curious as to what you think.

Pete's Badass softwares have been very popular and now he is about to come out with Brute force Seo...

I am sure it will be very hot and he may make the first million with a WSO, but where does that leave Google.

Do you not think they will also buy a copy and figure out what is going on?

Most people will not use it in a calm or tame way, they will try to "MAKE MONEY" as quickly as possible, but most likely it will go as fast as it came.

What do you think?

Sam

[Jeremy Kelsall]

If you use products like this to just automate what you would do by hand, I don't think you will have an issue.

However, if you set them up to "spam the hell" out of social sites and rss feeds relentlessly sooner or later it is going to catch up to you.

[TimG]

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

If you use products like this to just automate what you would do by hand, I don't think you will have an issue.

However, if you set them up to "spam the hell" out of social sites and rss feeds relentlessly sooner or later it is going to catch up to you.

Jeremy,
I agree completely with you. One thing I would also add is that if Pete allows some freedom for the customer to make minor modifications it could help set themselves apart from the mass. (Note - I'm typing this without knowing anything about the program)

For example - I remember when I first started using Niche Portal Builder. I spent hours making my own template and adding lots of additional features which resulted in my sites getting indexed quicker and higher in the search engines but more importantly maintaining their position longer then the standard site built by other Niche Portal Builder owners.

Tim

[peteinoz]

Originally Posted by sclark

I just read a really interesting article about automating social bookmarking to game links and search engines results.


Humm...

So, how effective will these tools be? Can they be used effectively to help or will it all be just a short lived fad?

I am very curious as to what you think.

Pete's Badass softwares have been very popular and now he is about to come out with Brute force Seo...

I am sure it will be very hot and he may make the first million with a WSO, but where does that leave Google.

What do you think?

Sam

Heya Sam

very good question mate..

I cannot speak for senuke as obviously I never ordered a copy. though I do not that they use a lot of my badass ass methods


Heres the thing..

With my software, its ultimately flexible.

you can do one huge project automatically.. or just choose one of the modules.

This is the main point to focus on. My software creates sites on Web 2 sites..

How many of them are there? How many web 2 authority sites are there?

So we'll always be able to keep in front.

Im sure some google employees will note what we are doing.

Though by the time that this info is passed to the people that need to be contacted, then they have meetings to make adjustments to their algo..

I think that might take a LOT of time..

If indeed that this did happen. we'd just change the web 2 sites.. and structure..

Ive designed this for the long haul.

Ive limited my membership to just 1000 to address this above situation.. understanding that only 10 to 15% of people will actually use the software a lot.

We are like a Bee, irritating an Elephant, while we are annoying its its ear, by the time it moves to swipe at us, weve already buzzed around and stung it on the ass LOL

If Google Does make a change to fight us, this will take them Months... and our response only takes days.. then it will take them months again.. They know this... At the end of the day, we are tiny and google will not pay much attention at all if any.

Cheers

Pete

[wave5]

Pete,

A quick one, so when is your Brute Force Seo software coming up ?

Can't wait to try that software of yours...

Enjoyed.

TK

[peteinoz]

Originally Posted by wave5

Pete,

A quick one, so when is your Brute Force Seo software coming up ?

Can't wait to try that software of yours...

Enjoyed.

TK

around 2 to 3 weeks mate..

Don't worry, you will not miss out on it

its going to be one massive launch

or get on the list, the link is in my sig..

heres a teaser Brute Force Video


Pete

[peteinoz]

Originally Posted by TimG

One thing I would also add is that if Pete allows some freedom for the customer to make minor modifications it could help set themselves apart from the mass. (Note - I'm typing this without knowing anything about the program)

Heya Tim

good to see you buddy

just a heads up mate.. my software is not a site creator like satyas.

My software promotes any site you create, across web 2 authority sites

With each project you run, creating a new mini network of sites on authority web 2 sites that you own forever.. (of course linking them together, using your longtails etc.. so these rank well in and of themselves in the serps) The potential of these mini network of web 2 authority sites will be seen down the track aswell.. as you own them forever. e.g you can come back and place links on them any time in the future..

Check out the list of sites here Brute Force SEO

Cheers

Pete

[Paxton]

Don't know about SENuke, but been using BADASS for a while with some very interesting results.

This seems to be a topic that get's a lot of attention, so let me ask the question in a different direction.

Hand build sites and fill them with crappy, spam content. Result ? Spam sites

Automate process and offer your visitors good quality content. Result = Quality sites

Sometimes it's not the tool that's to blame. I've been using automated site builders for a while now and have never had any sites banned.

For me it's not the process - Does Google really care if you automate blog building for example. It's the content on the blog, not the method you use.

Just my 2 cents.

[achonu]

It's no so much as what we know but sticking with what we know without wavering.Any thing can work if we can work them out.

[drnet]

you can do one huge project automatically.. or just choose one of the modules.

This is the main point to focus on. My software creates sites on Web 2 sites..

How many of them are there? How many web 2 authority sites are there?

So we'll always be able to keep in front.

Im sure some google employees will note what we are doing.

Though by the time that this info is passed to the people that need to be contacted, then they have meetings to make adjustments to their algo..

I think that might take a LOT of time..

If indeed that this did happen. we'd just change the web 2 sites.. and structure..

Ive designed this for the long haul.

It's nice to hear you are in it for the long Haul Pete, I think figuring out how to use this all effectively and stay above board is the key.

Web 2.0 is about sharing content across the web, yet getting up on the web is the major chore. So for us marketers there has to be a way to do this without taking 5 bazillion hours a day.

How much automation is good automation.

Great content is always going to be important here.

The other big aspects is that these sites on the web 2.0 properties are going to require that you still fill out your profiles completely and it is also going to require that the bookmarking is done by others...NOT BY YOU!

Pete, I know you have worked hard at providing valuable resources for people...Using them effectively and responsibly is yet to be determined.

I am holding a private webinar about these exact concerns tonight!

sam

[peteinoz]

Hey Sam,


thanks for your post,

though Ive got no idea what you mean by

The other big aspects is that these sites on the web 2.0 properties are going to require that you still fill out your profiles completely and it is also going to require that the bookmarking is done by others...NOT BY YOU!

Not sure I understand which requirement you are speaking of..

In fact that quote above makes no sense to me at all, in relation to gaining backlinks to your sites from web 2 sites.

Cheers

pete

[peteinoz]

Update

See my list of Brute Force SEO Features here..

Tell me how hard it would be to update an algo to account for all this strategy used, and decipher it from other people doing the same manually?

Even if this was to happen,

it wouldn't be very difficult to change that list of 93 social sites up, with some others

So yes we are in it for the long haul.

Pete

[MaxineKelly]

Automated software is always danger mate. One of my friend used automatic directory submission and his SERP down from second page to ninth page. So google will penalise you if they will come to know about this.

[peteinoz]

Originally Posted by MaxineKelly

Automated software is always danger mate. One of my friend used automatic directory submission and his SERP down from second page to ninth page. So google will penalise you if they will come to know about this.

Hey Maxine,

thanks for your post, though this thread is about the products in the title.

If you read my posts above you'll see that your answer is not correct.

Thanks

pete

[peteinoz]

Originally Posted by sclark

I just read a really interesting article about automating social bookmarking to game links and search engines results.

Funny, I have been testing SENUKE and have had some great results...but just in google...None in Yahoo and MSN?

Humm...

So, how effective will these tools be? Can they be used effectively to help or will it all be just a short lived fad?

I am very curious as to what you think.

Pete's Badass softwares have been very popular and now he is about to come out with Brute force Seo...

I am sure it will be very hot and he may make the first million with a WSO, but where does that leave Google.

Do you not think they will also buy a copy and figure out what is going on?

Most people will not use it in a calm or tame way, they will try to "MAKE MONEY" as quickly as possible, but most likely it will go as fast as it came.

What do you think?

Sam

Hey Sam, I ask you..

how could google slap anyone with a Video as Pretty as this one

YouTube - Brute Force SEO Traffic Software...

Brute Force SEO - By Peter Drew

Cheers

pete

[dvduval]

Look at it this way. If I took a spreadsheet and listed all your incoming and outgoing links, what would I find? If all I find is crap that was done automatically, you can bet google will find it too.

[peteinoz]

Originally Posted by dvduval

Look at it this way. If I took a spreadsheet and listed all your incoming and outgoing links, what would I find? If all I find is crap that was done automatically, you can bet google will find it too.

excellent theory,

though, how do you determine crap? and why would there be crap? since one of the sites we use to promote is ezinearticles, so most likely the content is of this quality.

Also.. how would you indeed determine that the information was supplied automatically?



My software does exactly what you can do by hand.. though just 360 times faster..

If indeed in your above post you are referring to Brute Force SEO

Pete

[James Schramko]

If you use the tool to save time but put good content in then you are giving Google what they want.

[Karen Newton]

Originally Posted by James Schramko

If you use the tool to save time but put good content in then you are giving Google what they want.

So true.. and BF not only saves time by doing everything it does in an automatic and quick way, the linking it does between all your sites (and rss let's not forget rss.. and use of keyword tags... etc) is the true magic imo.... So it is much more than just a tool to save time, although that is one of the desirable features.

Those using BF or any other tool who just promote crap content will be the ones who get "google slapped", not the software. The software is innocent!

Karen

[johdue]

This thread is very informative and made good discussion here.

[James Schramko]

Originally Posted by Karen Newton

So true.. and BF not only saves time by doing everything it does in an automatic and quick way, the linking it does between all your sites (and rss let's not forget rss.. and use of keyword tags... etc) is the true magic imo.... So it is much more than just a tool to save time, although that is one of the desirable features.

Those using BF or any other tool who just promote crap content will be the ones who get "google slapped", not the software. The software is innocent!

Karen

Tools are just that! Innocent..

Like a knife, a car - or even a brick - dangerous in the wrong hands and handy for others....

[JohnDow]

It's a great kitchen, but you need to know how to cook...

[del108]

it makes sense to me, that if you post "crap" anywhere, with or without automation, someone should slap you! tools just help to make it easier to do monotonous tasks... that's all

[del108]

if you look at BF SEO; Pete never suggests that you use "crap" content anywhere.

some people are just trying to use the software to be lazy, instead of using it to be effective... that gets the software a bad name...

i use some of pete's stuff and it saves me a ton of time and boredom!

[Mike Linley]

Originally Posted by peteinoz

Im sure some google employees will note what we are doing.

Though by the time that this info is passed to the people that need to be contacted, then they have meetings to make adjustments to their algo..

I think that might take a LOT of time..

If Google Does make a change to fight us, this will take them Months... and our response only takes days.. then it will take them months again.. They know this... At the end of the day, we are tiny and google will not pay much attention at all if any.

Cheers

Pete

Hey Pete, so with the new google caffeine I found out that google is now able to change their algo on the fly...very quickly..no more months to change things..I am wondering how this will affect your software..I was very interested until I found out about google caffeine...now I dont know when those changes go into affect as its still not live I dont think..still being beta tested...but soon things will change.