PPC OR SEO ????

Simontherrien · 06-09-2009, 05:58 PM

Hey Warriors,

I was wandering if you guys had any suggestion for me on my website
stmsuperdiscounts.net. I dont know if I should start putting money on PPC advertizing or on Using it for building backlinks.

anyways any suggestions or thoughts is good as I'm new to this marketing thing and I'm just learning as I go.

thanks for answering

mike52683 · 06-09-2009, 06:06 PM

I would definitely do some research here on the forums on PPC before you dive in. It can be very costly if you don't know what you're doing.

Here is an article on PPC basics that might help.

Rookie or Veteran - PPC Basics Every Advertiser Should Know and Use | The Adventures of PPC Hero

As far as SEO, you can find lots of good free information here on the forums, but I do recomend the SEO lies book by Justin Brooke. The digital version is only $1. Just google 'SEO Lies'.

Shane Natan · 06-09-2009, 06:33 PM

I say BOTH!

With PPC advertising, you can get laser targeted traffic almost immediately so that you can test your sales page and even do split testing (different sales pages, different background colors, different prices, etc.)

You can cap your spending at $5 - $10 per day to make sure you don't overspend and you can always pause or stop your ads at anytime as well.

And you should also build back links to your site, keyword optimize it and do all of the other things that go along with optimizing your site (SEO) because these things are basic "internet marketing 101."

I don't think anyone should put "all of their eggs in one basket" when it comes to advertising online. Most businesses use multiple advertising platforms or at least test out different ones from time to time.

Would you limit your advertising to just Craigslist alone? I don't think so... So then why would you limit yourself to "JUST SEO" or "JUST PPC?" Take advantage of ALL the internet advertising opportunities out there -- It will only help your business make MORE MONEY in the end.

My 2 cents!

Best,
Shane

Anonymous Affiliate · 06-10-2009, 03:19 AM

If I had to go one route, I'd go PPC: it's faster, it's more flexible, and you're entirely in charge of the whole thing. With SEO you're always dependent on Quality Scores, Google algorithm updates, and a whole other bunch of stuff that are not under your control.

luvtrees · 06-10-2009, 03:32 AM

With PPC, you've got to test and test and test otherwise you'll waste your money. SEO traffic is free, but is harder to get. Whichever one you go for, research it like crazy before jumping in.

Lucid · 06-10-2009, 08:43 AM

I agree with Mike and Shane.

Mike's link is a good place to start, if you are going to do it yourself. Learn before jumping in or hire someone like me

to do it for you, or at least get started on the right foot.

Shane's right, you should do both. I agree with all he says. PPC will get you instant targeted traffic, good SEO, which your site needs, can get more. You can also learn from PPC for your SEO efforts, for example, which keywords are used most and which convert best. PPC also allows you to test and this can increase your SEO clicks.

So, do both. Learn the strengths and weaknesses of each. Apply the strenths of one to the other.

Kurt Henninger · 06-10-2009, 09:36 AM

A good long term strategy would be to utilize both. No need to exclusively use one or the other.

In fact, a good SEO strategy uses PPC upfront in order to find the "buying keywords" that you should then SEO optimize for.

Hope that helps.

billythekid · 06-10-2009, 09:41 AM

PPC good for short term fix, providing CPC is not too high for your chosen keywords
SEO for very competitive words as a gradual process and definitely for the longer term.

Smokey_Joe · 06-11-2009, 04:11 AM

There can be no umbrella solution here since everything depends on the goals you have. PPC involves short-term planning, whereas SEO is a long-term project. A viable solution could be a combination of both, although you need to be careful in spreading your effort effectively.

tommen · 06-11-2009, 10:41 AM

The problem with PPC is that the second you stop paying, the traffic stops.A long term strategy is to write excellent content on your blog and you will rank well in the engines over time.Keyword research and optimization is the key.

mlongley · 06-11-2009, 12:33 PM

Whenever I am working on a site, I first use PPC to test keywords. If the campaign is very profitable I will leave it on. If it breaks even or loses money I will prob turn it off. Then I go through the campaign pull out all of the keywords that I found converted and work on those for SEO. There is no sense in going into an SEO campaign without having proven the keywords will convert. SEO traffic is always thought of as free traffic, but it costs a lot for software, employees, etc..to build backlinks. if you are going to really do it effectively.
So:
1:Keyword research
2:Set up campaigns
3:Tweak and Turn off unpeforming campaings
4:Set up seo based on PPC results

If you dont have much money to spend on PPC and you really dont know what you are doing then, that would be an exception to this strategy. In that case I would recommend spending more time on SEO using free link building methods.

Lucid · 06-11-2009, 02:18 PM

mlongley is absolutely right.

> The problem with PPC is that the second you stop paying, the traffic stops

Is it not a problem with SEO as well? The second you fall off in rankings, the traffic stops. PPC would fill the gaps until you can get better organic rankings.

Simontherrien · 06-16-2009, 07:05 PM

thanks everyone

Dima Kritchevski · 06-18-2009, 02:54 AM

Both is the definitely the way to go...

I highly recommend trying out basic videos as well...

The traffic you can get from videos is absolutely amazing in some information dense niches like the sub niches for health problems, making money, etc...

TelegramSam · 06-18-2009, 03:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucid

I agree with Mike and Shane.

Mike's link is a good place to start, if you are going to do it yourself. Learn before jumping in or hire someone like me

to do it for you, or at least get started on the right foot.

Shane's right, you should do both. I agree with all he says. PPC will get you instant targeted traffic, good SEO, which your site needs, can get more. You can also learn from PPC for your SEO efforts, for example, which keywords are used most and which convert best. PPC also allows you to test and this can increase your SEO clicks.

So, do both. Learn the strengths and weaknesses of each. Apply the strengths of one to the other.

Quite right.

Quote:

Originally Posted by billythekid

PPC good for short term fix, providing CPC is not too high for your chosen keywords
SEO for very competitive words as a gradual process and definitely for the longer term.

There is no reason why you can't use PPC longterm if it is profitable.

Quote:

Originally Posted by tommen

The problem with PPC is that the second you stop paying, the traffic stops.A long term strategy is to write excellent content on your blog and you will rank well in the engines over time.Keyword research and optimization is the key.

Why stop paying if it works. That's the goal, for fast growth: Finding profitable keywords to target and ramping it up.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mlongley

Whenever I am working on a site, I first use PPC to test keywords. If the campaign is very profitable I will leave it on. If it breaks even or loses money I will prob turn it off. Then I go through the campaign pull out all of the keywords that I found converted and work on those for SEO. There is no sense in going into an SEO campaign without having proven the keywords will convert. SEO traffic is always thought of as free traffic, but it costs a lot for software, employees, etc..to build backlinks. if you are going to really do it effectively.
So:
1:Keyword research
2:Set up campaigns
3:Tweak and Turn off unpeforming campaings
4:Set up seo based on PPC results

If you dont have much money to spend on PPC and you really dont know what you are doing then, that would be an exception to this strategy. In that case I would recommend spending more time on SEO using free link building methods.

A very good summary. Well said.

The Expert · 06-18-2009, 12:50 PM

I'm at a place in my life where I would NEVER touch PPC again unless I've seen the traffic convert when it shows up for free.

I've got a site right now that just is NOT converting even though it gets 400+ uniques a day. I have no idea why. Trying to figure it out right now.

If I had PAID for that traffic I would have been in big trouble. PPC is something that seems like it should be like a super-charger is to a car.

The super-charger can boost power and performance, but it's not the engine.

Apartments · 07-03-2009, 04:10 PM

PPC gived you the data for SEO and saves you months of your life. Time you will never get back so start with PPC and then move on to SEO (keeping up the PPC if profitable).

discrat · 07-03-2009, 06:49 PM

I would definitely go with SEO. With SEO you are truly building and OWNING your OWN TRAFFIC overtime.
Its like building a real estate empire on the Web and in the long run is the most powerful tool to make money on the Internet. PPC is just like sub-leasing a house that you rent not own. It might be some quick bucks but overtime its not the way to go.

Let me ask those people who think PPC is so great.............Okay so you bid on words to drive traffic to a sales page and then build your list right ?? We all know Building a list is the key.
Well, why the HELL would you just want to stop at that. Why wouldn't you want to build your list with your OWN TRAFFIC and OWN REAL ESTATE. And eventuallly put things on Auto-Pilot ????
You can NEVER put things on auto pilot with PPC because you own NOTHING. You have to keep pumping out PPC ads to keep building your List over and over and over again.

Such a wasteful and inefficient manner to build a long term business !

maestero2010 · 07-04-2009, 04:56 AM

using PPC means you need to invest money and for SEO you need to invest time only. It only depends upon you which process you want to hire.

__internet__ · 07-04-2009, 10:13 AM

SEO is good if you are thinking about long term success. PPC is good if you want to make money right now. The problem with PPC is that you have the possibilty to lose money. With organic seo, the clicks are free, so there is a possibility to make a lot more money.

06-09-2009, 05:58 PM	#1
Simontherrien Warrior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Ottawa,Canada Posts: 26 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	PPC OR SEO ???? Hey Warriors, I was wandering if you guys had any suggestion for me on my website stmsuperdiscounts.net. I dont know if I should start putting money on PPC advertizing or on Using it for building backlinks. anyways any suggestions or thoughts is good as I'm new to this marketing thing and I'm just learning as I go. thanks for answering
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06-09-2009, 06:06 PM	#2
mike52683 Active Warrior Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 79 Thanks: 2 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts Contact Info	Re: PPC OR SEO ???? I would definitely do some research here on the forums on PPC before you dive in. It can be very costly if you don't know what you're doing. Here is an article on PPC basics that might help. Rookie or Veteran - PPC Basics Every Advertiser Should Know and Use \| The Adventures of PPC Hero As far as SEO, you can find lots of good free information here on the forums, but I do recomend the SEO lies book by Justin Brooke. The digital version is only $1. Just google 'SEO Lies'.
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06-09-2009, 06:33 PM	#3
Shane Natan Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: East Coast, USA Posts: 2,604 Thanks: 997 Thanked 418 Times in 220 Posts Social Networking	Re: PPC OR SEO ???? I say BOTH! With PPC advertising, you can get laser targeted traffic almost immediately so that you can test your sales page and even do split testing (different sales pages, different background colors, different prices, etc.) You can cap your spending at $5 - $10 per day to make sure you don't overspend and you can always pause or stop your ads at anytime as well. And you should also build back links to your site, keyword optimize it and do all of the other things that go along with optimizing your site (SEO) because these things are basic "internet marketing 101." I don't think anyone should put "all of their eggs in one basket" when it comes to advertising online. Most businesses use multiple advertising platforms or at least test out different ones from time to time. Would you limit your advertising to just Craigslist alone? I don't think so... So then why would you limit yourself to "JUST SEO" or "JUST PPC?" Take advantage of ALL the internet advertising opportunities out there -- It will only help your business make MORE MONEY in the end. My 2 cents! Best, Shane
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Lucid Senior Warrior Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 1,094 Thanks: 10 Thanked 121 Times in 115 Posts	Re: PPC OR SEO ???? I agree with Mike and Shane. Mike's link is a good place to start, if you are going to do it yourself. Learn before jumping in or hire someone like me to do it for you, or at least get started on the right foot. Shane's right, you should do both. I agree with all he says. PPC will get you instant targeted traffic, good SEO, which your site needs, can get more. You can also learn from PPC for your SEO efforts, for example, which keywords are used most and which convert best. PPC also allows you to test and this can increase your SEO clicks. So, do both. Learn the strengths and weaknesses of each. Apply the strenths of one to the other.
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06-10-2009, 09:36 AM	#7
Kurt Henninger HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: , , . Posts: 138 Thanks: 7 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts Social Networking	Re: PPC OR SEO ???? A good long term strategy would be to utilize both. No need to exclusively use one or the other. In fact, a good SEO strategy uses PPC upfront in order to find the "buying keywords" that you should then SEO optimize for. Hope that helps.
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mlongley Active Warrior Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Lexington KY Posts: 89 Thanks: 0 Thanked 15 Times in 5 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: PPC OR SEO ???? Whenever I am working on a site, I first use PPC to test keywords. If the campaign is very profitable I will leave it on. If it breaks even or loses money I will prob turn it off. Then I go through the campaign pull out all of the keywords that I found converted and work on those for SEO. There is no sense in going into an SEO campaign without having proven the keywords will convert. SEO traffic is always thought of as free traffic, but it costs a lot for software, employees, etc..to build backlinks. if you are going to really do it effectively. So: 1:Keyword research 2:Set up campaigns 3:Tweak and Turn off unpeforming campaings 4:Set up seo based on PPC results If you dont have much money to spend on PPC and you really dont know what you are doing then, that would be an exception to this strategy. In that case I would recommend spending more time on SEO using free link building methods.
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06-11-2009, 02:18 PM	#12
Lucid Senior Warrior Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 1,094 Thanks: 10 Thanked 121 Times in 115 Posts	Re: PPC OR SEO ???? mlongley is absolutely right. > The problem with PPC is that the second you stop paying, the traffic stops Is it not a problem with SEO as well? The second you fall off in rankings, the traffic stops. PPC would fill the gaps until you can get better organic rankings.
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06-16-2009, 07:05 PM	#13
Simontherrien Warrior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Ottawa,Canada Posts: 26 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: PPC OR SEO ???? thanks everyone
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06-18-2009, 02:54 AM	#14
Dima Kritchevski Awesomeness Inc. Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Melbourne Posts: 34 Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Social Networking	Re: PPC OR SEO ???? Both is the definitely the way to go... I highly recommend trying out basic videos as well... The traffic you can get from videos is absolutely amazing in some information dense niches like the sub niches for health problems, making money, etc...

06-18-2009, 12:50 PM	#16
The Expert HyperActive Warrior Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 354 Thanks: 25 Thanked 52 Times in 32 Posts	Re: PPC OR SEO ???? I'm at a place in my life where I would NEVER touch PPC again unless I've seen the traffic convert when it shows up for free. I've got a site right now that just is NOT converting even though it gets 400+ uniques a day. I have no idea why. Trying to figure it out right now. If I had PAID for that traffic I would have been in big trouble. PPC is something that seems like it should be like a super-charger is to a car. The super-charger can boost power and performance, but it's not the engine.

07-03-2009, 04:10 PM	#17
Apartments Warrior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: UK and Cyprus Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: PPC OR SEO ???? PPC gived you the data for SEO and saves you months of your life. Time you will never get back so start with PPC and then move on to SEO (keeping up the PPC if profitable).

07-03-2009, 06:49 PM	#18
discrat Advanced Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: , , . Posts: 964 Thanks: 205 Thanked 137 Times in 95 Posts	Re: PPC OR SEO ???? I would definitely go with SEO. With SEO you are truly building and OWNING your OWN TRAFFIC overtime. Its like building a real estate empire on the Web and in the long run is the most powerful tool to make money on the Internet. PPC is just like sub-leasing a house that you rent not own. It might be some quick bucks but overtime its not the way to go. Let me ask those people who think PPC is so great.............Okay so you bid on words to drive traffic to a sales page and then build your list right ?? We all know Building a list is the key. Well, why the HELL would you just want to stop at that. Why wouldn't you want to build your list with your OWN TRAFFIC and OWN REAL ESTATE. And eventuallly put things on Auto-Pilot ???? You can NEVER put things on auto pilot with PPC because you own NOTHING. You have to keep pumping out PPC ads to keep building your List over and over and over again. Such a wasteful and inefficient manner to build a long term business !

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07-04-2009, 10:13 AM	#20
__internet__ Active Warrior Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 70 Thanks: 1 Thanked 5 Times in 4 Posts	Re: PPC OR SEO ???? SEO is good if you are thinking about long term success. PPC is good if you want to make money right now. The problem with PPC is that you have the possibilty to lose money. With organic seo, the clicks are free, so there is a possibility to make a lot more money.