The END of Angela's Backlinks?

[Ryan6]

Originally Posted by bgmacaw

That you give any value at all to Alexa ranking indicates a lot about your knowledge level in these matters.

I think it is perfectly acceptable that he users Alexa. Authority sites always study Alexa rankings when they weigh up or value a smaller site. It's the same with Google Analytics, all the big sites use it, but it has always been prone to errors. With all the ad, cookie and JavaScipt blocking these days, it's pretty much impossible to generate true accurate global stats. The fact is that Alexa is always chosen ahead of Compete, ComScore, Hitwise, Quantcast and so on - so I'd say he's using the best source tbh.

[franchiseshop]

Thank you Ryan, someone who reads threads, now there is a rarity. ;-)

Alexa is not accurate as we all know, however under the 100k mark is does start to get fairly accurate which is when it comes into it's own. There are a lot of hobbiest SEO people out there who dismiss it but the fact is it is a tool and with all tools they need used correctly. It's all way to easy to say "Hah, alexa, it is inaccurate" but the end result is that the person saying that have usually read it somewhere and are simply repeating the fact, the same with a lot of the myths repeated in this thread.

This is forum full of SEO pro's I would love to see a few more of them jump on this thread to back me up, otherwise I'll have to start posting links to the real deal ;-) Mis information in forums like these ain't a good thing as it spreads like an infection....

[ripsnorta2]

Looks like this conversation has degenerated into a who's naughty bits are bigger type of deal.

[franchiseshop]

Originally Posted by ripsnorta2

Looks like this conversation has degenerated into a who's naughty bits are bigger type of deal.

Then act as moderator, take an hour and read through it all and put us all in our places, teacher. ;-)

[bgmacaw]

Originally Posted by franchiseshop

Sigh....

And that comment shows yours. (lack of)

Alexa is not accurate, we all know that and you have obviously read it somewhere. (seo for beginners) But being able to take those statistics and use them in real life is where the trick comes in.

I ought to just let folks like you spout this nonsense and not say anything or just pop in with a cryptic comment like Blackhatcat does. Having people believe this incorrect info works to my advantage after all.

[ripsnorta2]

Originally Posted by franchiseshop

Then act as moderator, take an hour and read through it all and put us all in our places, teacher. ;-)

Wow. You are a troll.

I was thinking that you honestly believed what you were saying, but with a response like that...

[franchiseshop]

Originally Posted by bgmacaw

I ought to just let folks like you spout this nonsense and not say anything or just pop in with a cryptic comment like Blackhatcat does. Having people believe this incorrect info works to my advantage after all.

That would be fine if you included an explanation. I'm afraid one liners with nothing to back it up does not cut the mustard.

Awaiting your experienced opinion on Alexa rankings ;-) How it works, what the variations are and why people should not use them.

Please give me some examples. For instance, would you say it was possible for a website to have an Alexa ranking of 3 million and gain 1000 visitors per day, and for someone to have an Alexa ranking of 12,000 and have 100 visitors per day?

Both are possible, just unlikely statistically. It is all very well saying "me come from cave, light fire, not believe in Alexa" but back your sh*t up dude :-D

[franchiseshop]

lolz. Trolling would be posting to inflame, I think you will find I was on the defence. ;-) trolling also adds no valuable input where as what I have said is factually correct. Hard not to seem like trolling when talking to people with their own agendas..

Any way, ta for the perspective.

[anth.elias]

Wow nice post..I'm taking all the content and putting it in a ebook may even an audio book and selling it for $47- no just kidding.

Bottom line is we are going to what we want to do- and we all learn from are mistakes, yes too many backlinks too fast will make the Google algorithm take a back step, that step is already programed. Right Google is the god of SE..show Google love by playing fair and Google will show you love back. What is fair is too me may not be fair for someone else. SEO is always changing and you have to change right along with it or you will get left behind.

[ryandales2000]

Ceasefire and peace to everybody.

I am the Original Poster and I think this thread has degenerated so badly.

Peace...Peace...Peace..And please can we return to the question of this thread? If you have nothing to add that is relevant to this thread please do not post.. Thank you very much everybody for all your contributions..

[SMS]

I think this is absolutely spot on. From the extensive experiments I've done, I think the supplemental index still exists, but probably doesn't operate the way most people think it does.

BTW, guys 'n gals can we keep this thread civil, please?

Originally Posted by Steven Carl Kelly

Actually, the label has been removed from the "supplemental index" but there is still a mechanism for segregation.

[Chris Johnson]

Originally Posted by ryandales2000

I am a subscriber of Angela's backlinks-packet. I was about to register at The Netscape Unofficial FAQ when I read this! I am afraid that this is the beginning of the end for this type of link-building. What do you Warriors think?

No Free Advertising - ATTENTION SPAMLINKERS The Netscape Unofficial FAQ does not allow FREE advertising. Posting an ad-link (commercial) in our forums,in a signature or anywhere in your profile information, etc., is strictly prohibited and will lead to termination of account and removal of the post that includes the link. If you wish to advertise on The Netscape Unofficial FAQ or do not understand this policiy, please contact The Webmaster for more information and/or rates. Also note that any user violating this agreement and the account terminated will be listed in our forum for all to see. Your IP and domain will also be listed on several of the major BlackLists such as SpamCop and Spamhaus..

A violation of the above "No Free Advertising" will result in the forfeiture of your private data as well as posting your violation on our public forum.


Also Note: If you purchased a 30-site list from ANGELA EDWARDS at angelasdiscountmarket, you got ripped off. Do not even THINK about attempting to post a link in our forum as you may be included in legal action.

No offense, but this thread title is very offensive and disrespectful to Angela and her WSO, if you have a questions regarding her packets fine, but you shouldn’t claim that her packets are finished because of a few site that don’t work.

I’ve been a long time subscriber of Angela’s packets and she has provided more value with her $5 packets than I have ever received from any company or service I’ve used in the past.

There is literally hundreds of millions of high page rank sites on the internet, so there is no way that Angela’s packets will ever end. Just do the math, if even 90% of all same type of sites that Angela uses in her packets stop letting you put links on their sites, she would still have enough sites to provide us forever, not to mention that there is literally hundreds of thousands of new high ranking sites added every month.

[whmarketer]

Originally Posted by blackhatcat

This is why no one should pay any attention to you.

its true blackhatcat pagerank has no bearing on serps. I have a website with no pagerank, no backlinks and zero content that outranks PR5/PR6/PR7 websites.

Now how do you explain that?

[dotslash]

Originally Posted by whmarketer

its true blackhatcat pagerank has no bearing on serps. I have a website with no pagerank, no backlinks and zero content that outranks PR5/PR6/PR7 websites.

Now how do you explain that?

Zero content - you mean a blank page ?

[whmarketer]

Yes that's right, a blank page.

[SMS]

Do you mind revealing what keyword it's ranking for. No probs if you'd rather not... I fully understand .

Originally Posted by whmarketer

Yes that's right, a blank page.

[whmarketer]

Originally Posted by SMS

Do you mind revealing what keyword it's ranking for. No probs if you'd rather not... I fully understand .

Id rather not reveal the site/keyword as I intend to put some content on it in the near future.

[Angela V. Edwards]

Originally Posted by Chris Johnson

No offense, but this thread title is very offensive and disrespectful to Angela and her WSO, if you have a questions regarding her packets fine, but you shouldn’t claim that her packets are finished because of a few site that don’t work.

I’ve been a long time subscriber of Angela’s packets and she has provided more value with her $5 packets than I have ever received from any company or service I’ve used in the past.

There is literally hundreds of millions of high page rank sites on the internet, so there is no way that Angela’s packets will ever end. Just do the math, if even 90% of all same type of sites that Angela uses in her packets stop letting you put links on their sites, she would still have enough sites to provide us forever, not to mention that there is literally hundreds of thousands of new high ranking sites added every month.

Thank you very much for this post, Chris. You're right; there is NO WAY I am ever going to run out of great sites to put into the packets.

For the folks that get upset about a few sites that don't allow links anymore...first of all, that is bound to happen with a site or two in the packets. I've completely removed all "comment" type sites, so this will be a minimum, as the spammers can't do too much damage.

Think of it this way: If a friend came to you and said he knew of a Page Rank 8 site, four page rank 7 sites, and six Page Rank 6 sites that you could get a backlink from, would you be willing to pay him $5 for it? Of course you would! That would be a steal! And that's for just 11 great sites! Think back to the old days of IM, when you had to find your OWN backlinks and they were USUALLY some blog you had to make a comment on. $5 for what your friend is offering to you is well worth it. Yet, people start to grumble when one or two sites in the packet don't work anymore. Some people stop using the program altogether. Even though they have more than 25 great, usable, High Page Rank sites from PR 6 all the way to PR 10 at times. This is something I don't really understand.

[Steven Carl Kelly]

Angela:

You don't need to defend your product, believe me the value is incredible. Like I said, I receive your packet and I can just turn it over to an hourly staffer to handle without any instruction at all.

[SMS]

For some people, the glass will always be half empty. Such people will always exist... there's nothing that you or I can do about them.

I'm sure the vast majority appreciate the great value in your package, Angela. For them, the glass is 99% full .

Originally Posted by Angela V. Edwards

Thank you very much for this post, Chris. You're right; there is NO WAY I am ever going to run out of great sites to put into the packets.

For the folks that get upset about a few sites that don't allow links anymore...first of all, that is bound to happen with a site or two in the packets. I've completely removed all "comment" type sites, so this will be a minimum, as the spammers can't do too much damage.

Think of it this way: If a friend came to you and said he knew of a Page Rank 8 site, four page rank 7 sites, and six Page Rank 6 sites that you could get a backlink from, would you be willing to pay him $5 for it? Of course you would! That would be a steal! And that's for just 11 great sites! Think back to the old days of IM, when you had to find your OWN backlinks and they were USUALLY some blog you had to make a comment on. $5 for what your friend is offering to you is well worth it. Yet, people start to grumble when one or two sites in the packet don't work anymore. Some people stop using the program altogether. Even though they have more than 25 great, usable, High Page Rank sites from PR 6 all the way to PR 10 at times. This is something I don't really understand.

[rtrotter]

What got me thinking in the Netscape post was their reporting to Blacklist like SpamCop and Spamhaus. Made my question if Google actually spiders those site as a source for "bad neighborhoods" and if so would it impact ranking.

In regard to issue of supplemental index, it is gone as a hack search in Google but there is a way to get an idea of the pages on your site that are in it. When you do a site: search in Google and you get a click to get more results at the end, it is those pages that show, when you click, that are probably in supplemental index.

Rodney

[SMS]

The supplemental index for want of a better phrase is not site/domain specific. There's lots of empirical evidence that proves this.

Originally Posted by rtrotter

What got me thinking in the Netscape post was their reporting to Blacklist like SpamCop and Spamhaus. Made my question if Google actually spiders those site as a source for "bad neighborhoods" and if so would it impact ranking.

In regard to issue of supplemental index, it is gone as a hack search in Google but there is a way to get an idea of the pages on your site that are in it. When you do a site: search in Google and you get a click to get more results at the end, it is those pages that show, when you click, that are probably in supplemental index.

Rodney

[Angela V. Edwards]

Originally Posted by rtrotter

What got me thinking in the Netscape post was their reporting to Blacklist like SpamCop and Spamhaus. Made my question if Google actually spiders those site as a source for "bad neighborhoods" and if so would it impact ranking.
Rodney

If that were the case, then people would be "reporting" their competitors ALL OVER THE INTERNET. Can you imagine the mayhem? Google would cease to be the Google we know today and it would lose it's BILLION dollar a year position as the leader in the industry.

Netscape "reported" me because I linked to my Angela page (which as absolutely NOTHING to buy on it; it's a personal, "about me" page) and my backlinks article. That was the extent of my "spamming".

[Angela V. Edwards]

Originally Posted by SMS

For some people, the glass will always be half empty. Such people will always exist... there's nothing that you or I can do about them.

I'm sure the vast majority appreciate the great value in your package, Angela. For them, the glass is 99% full .

Yep, you are right. Good point.

[zoobie]

many of the Angela's link in the past are in forums, or blog comments whatever... But simply these leads to link spamming... So I don't encourage to signing up with this kind of link building programs.

[rtrotter]

Originally Posted by Angela V. Edwards

If that were the case, then people would be "reporting" their competitors ALL OVER THE INTERNET. Can you imagine the mayhem? Google would cease to be the Google we know today and it would lose it's BILLION dollar a year position as the leader in the industry.

Netscape "reported" me because I linked to my Angela page (which as absolutely NOTHING to buy on it; it's a personal, "about me" page) and my backlinks article. That was the extent of my "spamming".

Yea Angela, that's the conclusion I came to also. Went I have these crazy ideas I try to ask myself "if tru could it be used against me?" and I assume Google will not let that happen.

Rodney

[Angela V. Edwards]

Originally Posted by zoobie

many of the Angela's link in the past are in forums, or blog comments whatever... But simply these leads to link spamming... So I don't encourage to signing up with this kind of link building programs.

Yes, you are exactly right. That's why I have completely removed those type.

[rtrotter]

Originally Posted by SMS

The supplemental index for want of a better phrase is not site/domain specific. There's lots of empirical evidence that proves this.

Of course it is not site/domain specific, but if you want to find your pages in it, that is how it can be done.

Rodney

[Saidar]

Franchiseshop dude, please stop being rude. I'm sure you have a lot of things better to do, why do you even bother arguing with Steven? By flashing your income on public forums really shows a lack of self confidence and self respect. I'm 21 and even I know this, really. It's unprofessional.

I really enjoyed the conversation here but everyone really stop being childish.

Now, back to the conversation...

Maybe Google does have a manual review team, nobody knows. But for them to review Mr. Franchise' network of 25 websites within two weeks is not probable. That manual review team would have thousands and thousands of sites to review, so I think the list would be at least a few months long.

Obviously something happened,and to tell the truth, any good programmer with advanced knowledge of statistics and numerical mathematics would know that writing algorithms that can detect abnormal link building patterns and spamming can be detected by laser accuracy if enough computational power is available combined with the right experimental empirical data.

From my knowledge, Google has unlimited funds and thousands of Nerds working for them, so I'm sure they have figured all of this out in the last 8 years.

So just maybe Franchise' site was put through a spam algorithm that took a while to update his site (because of the thousands of instant links) That would be the logical answer to me.

[Saidar]

Originally Posted by Steven Carl Kelly

My apologies to the forum for allowing myself to be drawn down to his level and to become a part of his p-ing contest. Usually I avoid it, but this guy was too persistent. Now that he's been pegged, I'll offer my sincere apology and let him off the hook for further free education and allow him to persist in his error.

"TO PERSIST IN HIS ERROR"

Steven, I do have a lot of respect for you, but that statement was absolutely ignorant.

If you don't have the Google algorithms in your possession then there will always be room for error. Just maybe YOUare wrong, and then what?

If you have data to to prove him wrong share it with us. That is one thing that lacks on this forum, 99% of case studies done here no one shows proof. Only speculation

[franchiseshop]

Originally Posted by Saidar

Franchiseshop dude, please stop being rude. I'm sure you have a lot of things better to do, why do you even bother arguing with Steven? By flashing your income on public forums really shows a lack of self confidence and self respect. I'm 21 and even I know this, really. It's unprofessional.

????

Seriously, it is obvious I was pissed off last night so why come on and bring it up again? However now you have, if people are going to half read threads and post comments on topics they know nothing about, continue to do so and continue to spread mi information to the detriment of others around them, then yeah, i'll happily get pissed off and rant.

Geddit? Please do not tell me i have no self respect, that I have plenty of, unlike a few I can think of.

:-)

[ryandales2000]

Just to clarify: I made an earlier post where I said that "personally I never thought that I was ripped off by Angela" as I am a satisfied subscriber of hers and I even wrote that of all the WSO's I bought, her WSO is still the best so far, especially considering the $5 price. That was my opinion then and it is still my opinion now and I intend to be a subscriber of Angela's for a long time.

My purpose of this post is to get your opinions on the increasing difficulty of placing those links. I am not declaring the end of Angela's backlinks that is why I placed a question mark at the end of the title. I am just worried, and wondering, and asking...and not declaring about the end of Angela's backlinks.

I'm sorry Angela if this thread offended you. I never intended to.

[askloz]

ROTFLMAO, I was waiting for the day for this to happen.

I don't mean that in a bad way, I wouldn't wish it on anyone. But, must say, I could see this happening. So now, Angela has to find a new method / sources to get links from. And so does everyone else. And unfortunately, those who were not on Angela's list to receive these backlink lists, all has been ruined for a deed initially in good spirit has been ruined.

And my members wonder why I don't give out my 3000+ places to post out to.

Let this be a lesson to anyone who wants to boast where they are getting their links from. If you want to ruin your business, let the whole world know where you're getting the links.

Links should be kept to yourself and treated as Gold dust.

Originally Posted by ryandales2000

I am a subscriber of Angela's backlinks-packet. I was about to register at The Netscape Unofficial FAQ when I read this! I am afraid that this is the beginning of the end for this type of link-building. What do you Warriors think?

No Free Advertising - ATTENTION SPAMLINKERS The Netscape Unofficial FAQ does not allow FREE advertising. Posting an ad-link (commercial) in our forums,in a signature or anywhere in your profile information, etc., is strictly prohibited and will lead to termination of account and removal of the post that includes the link. If you wish to advertise on The Netscape Unofficial FAQ or do not understand this policiy, please contact The Webmaster for more information and/or rates. Also note that any user violating this agreement and the account terminated will be listed in our forum for all to see. Your IP and domain will also be listed on several of the major BlackLists such as SpamCop and Spamhaus..

A violation of the above "No Free Advertising" will result in the forfeiture of your private data as well as posting your violation on our public forum.


Also Note: If you purchased a 30-site list from ANGELA EDWARDS at angelasdiscountmarket, you got ripped off. Do not even THINK about attempting to post a link in our forum as you may be included in legal action.

[rtrotter]

Originally Posted by askloz

ROTFLMAO, I was waiting for the day for this to happen.

I don't mean that in a bad way, I wouldn't wish it on anyone. But, must say, I could see this happening. So now, Angela has to find a new method / sources to get links from. And so does everyone else. And unfortunately, those who were not on Angela's list to receive these backlink lists, all has been ruined for a deed initially in good spirit has been ruined.

And my members wonder why I don't give out my 3000+ places to post out to.

Let this be a lesson to anyone who wants to boast where they are getting their links from. If you want to ruin your business, let the whole world know where you're getting the links.

Links should be kept to yourself and treated as Gold dust.

How in the world do you keep where your getting links to yourself? Think - Yahoo SiteExplorer.

Rodney

[visit_faraz]

Hey,
I dont think having one link gone bad among a hundred makes that much of a difference.
I have seen that before and just got on with it.
Maybe one link has gone bad, but the others are really worth it.

just my 2 cents.
Faraz

[Angela V. Edwards]

Originally Posted by visit_faraz

Hey,
I dont think having one link gone bad among a hundred makes that much of a difference.
I have seen that before and just got on with it.
Maybe one link has gone bad, but the others are really worth it.

just my 2 cents.
Faraz

Yep, that's what I think, too, Faraz. I am actually quite puzzled why Askloz thinks "Angela has to find a new method / sources to get links from". The current packet has had a couple of sites that won't accept a link anymore. So what? So have all the other packets, too...for various reasons. People sure are quick to pronounce my backlinks "dead" or "no longer working" just because of a couple of sites that turn out to be duds after the packet goes out (and I'm not talking about Ryandales).

Again I say:

When I create the packet, I test all the websites to make sure they work. However, there is bound to be a website or two that remove the capability to get a link. This is NORMAL. I've completely removed all "comment" type sites, so this will be a minimum, as the spammers can't do too much damage.

Think of it this way: If a friend came to you and said he knew of a Page Rank 8 site, four page rank 7 sites, and six Page Rank 6 sites that you could get a backlink from, would you be willing to pay him $5 for it? Of course you would! That would be a steal! And that's for just 11 great sites! Think back to the old days of IM, when you had to find your OWN backlinks and they were USUALLY some low Page Rank blog (as many blogs are) you had to make a comment on. $5 for what your friend is offering to you is well worth it. Yet, people start to grumble when one or two sites in the packet don't work anymore. Some people stop using the program altogether. Even though they have more than 25 great, usable, High Page Rank sites from PR 6 all the way to PR 10 at times. Just remember the value of these links you're getting. :-)

[jdmeg6warriror]

i just recived a threat letter from one of the social sites i place links on, im not sure if this site is from Agenlas list or pauls lists.

Account Deactivation - Reporting You to Google


You have just spammed our site, Urbis*com, by creating a profile for the purposes of creating backlinks to your site. This is a violation of our Terms of Use.

We are taking the following actions:

1. We are deactivating your Urbis account.
2. We are reporting you to Google and other search engines, which means you will be much lower in the search rankings. Google punishes those who try to game the system.
3. If your spamdexing activities continue, we will file a lawsuit for violation of our Terms of Use.

This is the part of our Terms that you have violated:
"Use the Site to engage in commercial activities and/or sales, including, but not limited to, contests, sweepstakes, barter, advertising, pyramid schemes, and any form of 'spam.'


do any ever get this kind threat from the lists?. I will be continuing to use angelas and pauls list. i just wont be posting to this urbris

[Jeremy Kelsall]

Don't worry about it buddy, it's just the google dance....screw that guy, how dare he send you an email like that...what a clown.

I'm just answering in anticipation of the answers you are going to get above.

In reality, it is something to worry about and with the number of people that are rushing to these sites to get a link, you might be better off putting your competitors URL'S into www.backlinkwatch.com and posting to the same sites they do

[Joe118]

C'mon guys. This thread is over.

* NO, its not the end of Angela's Backlinks. She has a great product that's targeted at people that want to get some backlinks w/o having to go and find them themselves.

* NO, this is not the end of backlinking. Backlinking is alive and well. One site owner got so annoyed as to make his site give this warning. Other sites accept our links all the time.

* YES, backlinking is alive and well. You are trading time for money here by buying Angela's product and all the other backlinking products. The main downside in my very personal opinion is that you're now part of a crowd which means that one bad spammer can spoil a specific site for everyone. If you have the time, finding your own backlink dropsites is not so hard, but it does take time, LOTS.

[Joe118]

Originally Posted by jdmeg6warriror

i just recived a threat letter from one of the social sites i place links on, im not sure if this site is from Agenlas list or pauls lists.

Account Deactivation - Reporting You to Google


You have just spammed our site, Urbis*com, by creating a profile for the purposes of creating backlinks to your site. This is a violation of our Terms of Use.

We are taking the following actions:

1. We are deactivating your Urbis account.
2. We are reporting you to Google and other search engines, which means you will be much lower in the search rankings. Google punishes those who try to game the system.
3. If your spamdexing activities continue, we will file a lawsuit for violation of our Terms of Use.

This is the part of our Terms that you have violated:
"Use the Site to engage in commercial activities and/or sales, including, but not limited to, contests, sweepstakes, barter, advertising, pyramid schemes, and any form of 'spam.'


do any ever get this kind threat from the lists?. I will be continuing to use angelas and pauls list. i just wont be posting to this urbris

Yeah other people who use one of these backlinking products also got this warning from urbis.com. Move on, forget about urbis.com. There's plenty of other places to plant your links.

[Tom Brite]

Originally Posted by Joe118

C'mon guys. This thread is over.

* NO, its not the end of Angela's Backlinks. She has a great product that's targeted at people that want to get some backlinks w/o having to go and find them themselves.

* NO, this is not the end of backlinking. Backlinking is alive and well. One site owner got so annoyed as to make his site give this warning. Other sites accept our links all the time.

* YES, backlinking is alive and well. You are trading time for money here by buying Angela's product and all the other backlinking products. The main downside in my very personal opinion is that you're now part of a crowd which means that one bad spammer can spoil a specific site for everyone. If you have the time, finding your own backlink dropsites is not so hard, but it does take time, LOTS.

Couldn't have said this better myself to be honest!

I personally use a mix of my own high pr backlink sources and angela's and pauls together to get maximum performance.

Tom Brite

[discrat]

Frankly Iam getting downright sick of the Spam Complainers and Spam Police altogether.
It has shifted way . way , way to far to the other side. What I mean is that in the past and now Spam has been a problem. I dont like it as well as many others. But now everyone and their mothers is pointing the finger saying this is Spam and that is Spam and blah,blah,blah !!

Dammit I am sick of this sh*t about Webasters complaining about Backlinks in your Private Profile which probably no one will ever see except the GOOG Bots.

I know at my Blogs if someone leaves a respectable comment pertaining to the topic at hand and then leaves a backlink I say that is fine by me. Go for it. I was in their postion at one point of time in my IM Life. And I let it happen all the time. No problem here.

I have had it up to my neck with the spam police !! SERIOUSLY !!!
I tell them to get a farcking clue about what spam is. Because many of them are missing the point of what it means !

[discrat]

Originally Posted by askloz

ROTFLMAO, I was waiting for the day for this to happen.

I don't mean that in a bad way, I wouldn't wish it on anyone. But, must say, I could see this happening. So now, Angela has to find a new method / sources to get links from. And so does everyone else. And unfortunately, those who were not on Angela's list to receive these backlink lists, all has been ruined for a deed initially in good spirit has been ruined.

And my members wonder why I don't give out my 3000+ places to post out to.

Let this be a lesson to anyone who wants to boast where they are getting their links from. If you want to ruin your business, let the whole world know where you're getting the links.

Links should be kept to yourself and treated as Gold dust.

Oh gawd, not this luny tune guy again. I thought his chauvenistic behind was outta here already !!

[AmericanWoman888]

discrat - you are so right. I get all kinds of comments on my blogs - I love them! If they are respectable. Heck yeah I let them drop a link. Some of these webmasters are worse than the KGB.

Thanks for your input.

I am going to continue Angela's links and watch out for the nutty webmasters.

AW888

[discrat]

Originally Posted by AmericanWoman888

discrat - you are so right. I get all kinds of comments on my blogs - I love them! If they are respectable. Heck yeah I let them drop a link. Some of these webmasters are worse than the KGB.

Thanks for your input.

I am going to continue Angela's links and watch out for the nutty webmasters.

AW888

Yeah honest to goodness a lot of these Webmasters have this "God" complex. They have this thirst for control and get high off the fact that they can muscle around others at their own Will. Kind of reminds me of the little scrawny kid in highschool who got his little behind whipped everyday in the school playground.
I guess now its time that this little wimp gets his revenge because he is now a big time Webmaster of a big high ranking PR Website.
Oh boy what a big man, now !!
But to me just the same little scrawny twit !!

[Tom Brite]

Originally Posted by discrat

Yeah honest to goodness a lot of these Webmasters have this "God" complex. They have this thirst for control and get high off the fact that they can muscle around others at their own Will. Kind of reminds me of the little scrawny kid in highschool who got his little behind whipped everyday in the school playground.
I guess now its time that this little wimp gets his revenge because he is now a big time Webmaster of a big high ranking PR Website.
Oh boy what a big man, now !!
But to me just the same little scrawny twit !!

Just thought i would say that is a funny and great comparison Discrat! ha ha

Tom Brite

[captivereef]

if you go to urbis.com there is a scrollthat shows what the activity is, there is an account created every minute or two,. If this is normal i have no idea how they find you or notice a spike in traffic

[4morereferrals]

LOL - the sky is falling ... the sky is falling ...


A. Angelas packets are not dead

B. Pauls Packets are not dead

C. There ARE alternative / additions to both

$.16 a link... Stuff is bound to happen ...

[Powertreb]

I came across this post looking for outsouring options for Angela's backlinks. I subscribe to her link packets.

I read through this whole thread. You people have taken an entire hour out of my life.

My question to some of you...Are you nuts?

Angela's links are NOT dead. Neither is backlinking. Do you realize the web as we know it would cease to exist without backlinks!!! So a site or two have admins or owners with a pet peeve. Big deal!

Do you realize how many of these sites rely on normal everyday people. Blogging mommies for example that don't even know what SEO stands for?

They go on there to socialize and network. They link their blogs one there to facilitate the networking. It doesn't get any simpler. Take away backlinks and noe of these "whiny" sites will be found themselves.

"9 out of 10 people preferred the taste of Product A to Product B"

If you're Product A,, are you going to tweak the taste to satisfy that one schmo who like your competitor? Or will you bank your resources into increasing the loyalty of the other 9 people who prefer your product?

Most of Angela's links are social type sites where new people join all the time. They create profiles. Some join and just forget about their profiles for months.

I keep a record of my logins for Angela's links. Occasionally I go into some randomly and participate in something. Add a friend. make a comment, whatever. It goes a long way towards building legitimacy.

You get 30 backlinks. If all you do is post once on a high PR site and forget about it, then you're not using these packets to their full potential. You got the login. You got the account. Once in a while give it a visit. You can even post an excerpt from one of your blog posts.

Think about how well you'd increase your chances of getting visitors by adding a couple of friends on one of these high PR sites or adding a post linking to your blog or EZA article.

You can also use these for efficient linkwheels. They don't ALL have to be linking back to one site. You can prop up the other links. You can backlink September's links with October's packets, for example.

You can revisit these sites once in a while and linkback to your Lens or Hub.

There are tons of things you can do with these sites. Fact is many of them are still "below the spam radar".

And if you actually reuse your accounts on these sites once in a while then you already have the edge over 95% of the others who are simply one-link wonders.

As far as that whole back and forth exchange between franchiseshop, Stephen and a few others...Well I can't say I'm an SEO expert like Stephen. And I am certainly far from a millionaire like franchiseshop. If I were a millionaire I probably wouldn't be spending my evening on this forum battling to the death anyway.

But to each their own.

I think it's just a matter of basic common sense. People sometimes don;t realize how deep and complex search engine algorithms can be.

It goes way beyond "too many backlinks in one day". There are so many different factors that are considered.

A website posts a top secret government document. It gets leaked. Hits the news (web & TV)

Next day it has half a million backlinks. It's not getting penalized.

But if you're using dead obvious signs of automation then flags will go up.

Google knows when you whip out some serious software and start linkspamming the universe. You might think rotating 3 or 4 titles/descriptions, etc. is clever. But not when you do it several thousand times in one night for the same URL on various Scuttle and Pligg sites. Yes flags may get raised in that instance.

Let's say you're using Angela's and Paul's packets. That's 80 sites. You have 30 days until the new packets come out. Posting to all 80 sites in one day may not be the smartest thing to do either. Spread them out. And varying your profile names and descriptions may help also.

franchiseshop, I also don't think you were "penalized". It's part of Google's ever-changing algorithm process.They don't give you a "time-out". You're not sent to stand in the corner for 2 hours with a dunce hat until you learn your lesson. If your site is seriously considered for spam and removal, and if it gets removed. It AIN'T coming back. Especially not on its own!

Perhaps your site was flagged initially due to too many low quality backlinks with telltale signs of automation. There may have been a re-indexing process where your sites were run through other algorithms and filters, compared with a multitude of criteria that none of us will ever be aware of. Who knows. These are possibilities.

But I really doubt this was a penalty (as in punishment for being a bad boy).

If Google was intent on punishing you, you really would not see your sites back in there. Google is merciless. And if you leave a bad taste in their mouth, they will spit you out for good.

That was not the case with your sites.

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[Marhelper]

Originally Posted by Okane

Oh, great news... then all I have to do is place my competitors backlinks in that forum and they will be banned...

Lemonade from lemons... I love it.

The truth is that these type of sites are a dime a dozen. If one makes big threats then move on to the next one. Make sure that you fill out the entire "About me" section and other sections ... do not just chuck 100 links on the site either, that is an obvious red flag that newbies violate again and again.