The END of Angela's Backlinks?

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by pavionjsl

If the goal is to get better here in marketing on the internet we have to become better and better at what is real and more beneficial is all I am saying. Course Im a idiot so that's just my 2 cents.

Don't think you are stupid but I do think you misunderstand why people leave links. Its not to get traffic. Also having an article rank high on Google isn't that important to me if its not my site. If you are talking about traffic very few people click the author's links in an ezinearticle. Better ranking with your own site. For SEO purposes yes but many profile links will stay around just as long. There not alot of truth to the idea that they are automatically short term.

[Tom Goodwin]

Why won't this thread die already. Someone does a search on here or something, and just decides to comment on threads that had their last post a month ago?

[ape263]

Hello all. You know Angela, I've been wanting to ask you something for some time. Have you ever considered created another list that will have a limited amount of users? I get you and Paul's packets, and they are great products, they have helped me out with a lot of my sites (about 7 or 8), but with so many people using the packets, site owners (not all of course, but enough) are very quick to react to these "attacks" as they call them.

Do you think either of you would ever consider creating another, separate list each month? Thank you for your time.

[Tom Goodwin]

Originally Posted by Lincoln Ryan

can't believe people are wasting time with link packets. What an incredible waste of time.

Are you saying this because (1) you believe forum profiles don't work, or (2) (2) Angela's and Paul's packets are oversubscribed?

If its #1, note that between Terry Kyle and I, we now have 5 different pages now in the top 25 of Google for the search: backlinks. (Ok, I only have 1 of them , but Terry has the other 4). Plus, each of the 5 are on completely different domains.

If its #2, Angela's and Paul's packets aren't the only game in town.

[Gary Becks]

Hey Tom, what is the name of the firefox addon that shows if a page is noindex or if links are no-followed? and is there an extension for google chrome also? Thanks..

[Tom Goodwin]

Originally Posted by Embions

Hey Tom, what is the name of the firefox addon that shows if a page is noindex or if links are no-followed? and is there an extension for google chrome also? Thanks..

Hi there,

I don't know about chrome as I am a 100% firefox user , sorry.

As for firefox, I use SEO Quake for everything SEO related and that certainly shows nofollow/noindex. There are other ones too I believe, although I don't use them. Among those, I think SearchStatus does as well.

Tom

[shab]

I saw one of Angelas links that points to an article at GoArticles. If Google's going to penalize using Angelas backlinks then GoArticles would be in deep sh*t then?

[Gary Becks]

Originally Posted by Tom Goodwin

Hi there,

I don't know about chrome as I am a 100% firefox user , sorry.

As for firefox, I use SEO Quake for everything SEO related and that certainly shows nofollow/noindex. There are other ones too I believe, although I don't use them. Among those, I think SearchStatus does as well.

Tom

It's cool, I used to swear by firefox to but I find it to be really slow at times. Anyhow I to use seoquake but the google chrome edition. I mainly use it for checking pr though. The first version didn't have the int/ext links parameter as a feature but I just checked and it has been updated and now includes it. Thanks for the quick reply though.

BTW, you guys are doing a great job over at the forum. I visit everyday...

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by ape263

Hello all. You know Angela, I've been wanting to ask you something for some time. Have you ever considered created another list that will have a limited amount of users?

I know of three packet sellers that limit their subscribers. Do a search in the WSO section. Theres no shortage of packet providers.

[aldo112]

the site is forbidden for me lol

[deaddogdesign]

honestly It is just one webmaster that is trying to keep spam off their site. Scare tactic! They can't ban you. Everyone would be banning each other. I know this was already mentioned but just skip them....lol. There are a ton of other sites. One bad one doesn't mean you should freak out.

[felixalbutra]

Is Angela's back links are reliable?

[felixalbutra]

By the way, how many anchor text I can put on that high pr sites? I just bought a list from smith at DP forum and he said that the quality of backlinks from him is the as yours.

- Felix Albutra

[angelx]

I might be being a little bit stupid here, but what has netscape got to do with anything? As far as I knew it was some out of date browser?

Anyway, lots of websites on these backlinks lists are becoming aware of so many links suddenly being posted on their sites and preventing user registration or taking away the link capability on their sites. I do agree though that the links are beneficial if you can get them and keep them on the profile-link sites.

[TerryG]

Well it is the end for me. I used the backlink packages and found myself on this site:
Stop Forum Spam
This is where the forum masters go to check profiles etc. If you forum post links like thousands of others each month, then your name will go on the list and thats it.

There are better ways to get backlinks then to share links with thousands of others.
It worked once, but in my opinion, not anymore.

[Mike Adams]

Originally Posted by Okane

Oh, great news... then all I have to do is place my competitors backlinks in that forum and they will be banned...

Exactly, People look sooo crazy when they post things like that. Oooo we are going to take legal action... ha what a joke.

[FredJones]

Good - tell me the set of names you are competing with and pay me $1 per name - I am going to insert the names with closed eyes.

Seriously, spamming is not a recommendable practice at all but if someone claims they have an open and public service that allows you to misuse it and defame people is nothing better either.

[TrafficMystic]

Originally Posted by TerryG

Well it is the end for me. I used the backlink packages and found myself on this site:
Stop Forum Spam
This is where the forum masters go to check profiles etc. If you forum post links like thousands of others each month, then your name will go on the list and thats it.

There are better ways to get backlinks then to share links with thousands of others.
It worked once, but in my opinion, not anymore.

go on the forum and remove your ip and email.. stop forum spam isnt an official list and a lot of over zelous webmaster will be banning accounts for no reason.

Maybe invest in a monthly proxy service as well..

[Tom Goodwin]

Originally Posted by TerryG

Well it is the end for me. I used the backlink packages and found myself on this site:
Stop Forum Spam

I might have the most listings of anyone here at WF on that site, and it doesn't stop me You know you are in a different league when all of your "peers" have IP addresses in countries like Belarus.

Originally Posted by TerryG

This is where the forum masters go to check profiles etc.

Correction. Some very small percentage (based upon my experience, maybe 2%) of forums might compare your signup stats (email and IP address) with that site. You are way overemphasizing the importance of that site. Also note that of that 2%, the vast majority of those are automatic. That is, the forum "master" doesn't actually go to that site to "check profiles", they simply have software installed that automatically checks new signups with that site's database.

In any event, proxies are cheap if you really care about that 2% or don't like your real IP showing up on that list. For $10/month you can have your IP rotate out every 30 minutes here: http://www.privateproxysoftware.com

Tom

[yukon]

Originally Posted by Tom Goodwin

I might have the most listings of anyone here at WF on that site, and it doesn't stop me You know you are in a different league when all of your "peers" have IP addresses in countries like Belarus.



Correction. Some very small percentage (based upon my experience, maybe 2%) of forums might compare your signup stats (email and IP address) with that site. You are way overemphasizing the importance of that site. Also note that of that 2%, the vast majority of those are automatic. That is, the forum "master" doesn't actually go to that site to "check profiles", they simply have software installed that automatically checks new signups with that site's database.

In any event, proxies are cheap if you really care about that 2% or don't like your real IP showing up on that list. For $10/month you can have your IP rotate out every 30 minutes here: http://www.privateproxysoftware.com

Tom

Or, just reset your modem for free.

And clear your browser history with CCleaner (free).

[amydyslex]

Thank you for sharing this with all of us dear

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by Tom Goodwin

I might have the most listings of anyone here at WF on that site, and it doesn't stop me You know you are in a different league when all of your "peers" have IP addresses in countries like Belarus.

You write that like this something we should all aspire to. Isn't the lack of restraint what causes forum masters to create these lists. What happens when they start noting the websites being linked to themselves? I'd like to see a proxy server work to hide a domain name.

I've been mistaken for a purist in the past but a little balance is all I ever called for. Use em if you like but some people who do act like because they do theres no level that could possibly reach abuse. Theres almost nothing in life that can't be abused.

[Tom Goodwin]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

You write that like this something we should all aspire to.

Certainly nothing to hide from either.

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Isn't the lack of restraint what causes forum masters to create these lists.

More like forum masters with too much time on their hands from running their Trekkie forums.

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

What happens when they start noting the websites being linked to themselves? I'd like to see a proxy server work to hide a domain name.

Not sure what your point is here. It doesn't matter. If you are worrying about a particular forum blacklisting your linked to domain, use a redirect. When you've got tons and tons of domains to backlink, it doesn't matter anyways.

Tom

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by Tom Goodwin

More like forum masters with too much time on their hands from running their Trekkie forums.

Oh come on Tom. Lets - ahem - assume that someone used software to break their captcha. Don't they have a right? I mean who are we to tell them that they have too much time on their hands when its their property and their rules have been circumvented to get a link?

If you are speeding at 100 in a 55 zone you can't blame the cop for having too much time on his hand for pulling you over. Too extreme. Some balance man. Just some balance. Its the extremes that always get tactics hammered and then we all have to pay for it.

[Tom Goodwin]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Oh come on Tom. Lets - ahem - assume that someone used software to break their captcha. Don't they have a right? I mean who are we to tell them that they have too much time on their hands when its their property and their rules have been circumvented to get a link?

If you are speeding at 100 in a 55 zone you can't blame the cop for having too much time on his hand for pulling you over. Too extreme. Some balance man. Just some balance. Its the extremes that always get tactics hammered and then we all have to pay for it.

If you want analogies, it would be more akin to speeding on some non-public road back in the woods, then speeding in a 55mph zone (which in all likelihood, since its a 55mph road, would be an expressway or at least a state highway) Perhaps I could use that green crackjack box Fast and the Furious getup of RetiredBuilder ;-)

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by Tom Goodwin

If you are worrying about a particular forum blacklisting your linked to domain, use a redirect. When you've got tons and tons of domains to backlink, it doesn't matter anyways.

Tom

What the forum master can't see where it directs to when they click the link? As for the tons and tons of domains. Yeah we know and then you need the spam bots to do those which leads right back to why that whole thing was banned from the likes of warriors. Spammers mentality. tactics are never bad by themselves its always comes down to who abuses them.

[Tom Goodwin]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

What the forum master can't see where it directs to when they click the link? As for the tons and tons of domains. Yeah we know and then you need the spam bots to do those which leads right back to why that whole thing was banned from the likes of warriors. Spammers mentality. tactics are never bad by themselves its always comes down to who abuses them.

If someone is worried about an individual forum webmaster clicking on a link to see where it goes, then that link builder has not enough other things to worry about. You could build 5 more links with the time you worry about that one.

Don't even get me started on the WSO policy change as you really don't want to go down that road.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by Tom Goodwin

Perhaps I could use that green crackjack box Fast and the Furious getup of RetiredBuilder ;-)

Saw the movie but don't recall that. Its a sidestep anyway. breaking captcha doesn't need an analogy. We all know its violating a site's TOS and doing that at thousands of sites with a spam bot is the whole reason its gotten a bad rep. Well that and overselling lists. Not a purist Tom you know what i offered and still do but its the extremes making it bad for the rest of us and theres more to come at some point

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by Tom Goodwin

If someone is worried about an individual forum webmaster clicking on a link to see where it goes, then that link builder has not enough other things to worry about.

all depends actually. You are pretending like everyone that does the spam bot nonsense with thousands of links do it only for themselves. there are alot of clients that wouldn't like seeing their domain names on such a list. Go figure - there are actually websites out there that give a rip about their reputation and trying to build something lasting that doesn't require them to keep the bots running 24-7 to get backlinks.

Don't even get me started on the WSO policy change as you really don't want to go down that road.

Tom we both know its you that shouldn't go down that road not me not wanting you to. Anyway for both our sakes don't go there.

[Tom Goodwin]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Saw the movie but don't recall that. Its a sidestep anyway. breaking captcha doesn't need an analogy. We all know its violating a site's TOS and doing that at thousands of sites with a spam bot is the whole reason its gotten a bad rep. Well that and overselling lists. Not a purist Tom you know what i offered and still do but its the extremes making it bad for the rest of us and theres more to come at some point

The green car is actually from the 3rd one, where they are racing in Miami

Actually, I have to disagree with the captcha breaking violating a site's TOS, particularly if you are having a human break them.

[Tom Goodwin]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

all depends actually. You are pretending like everyone that does the spam bot nonsense with thousands of links do it only for themselves. there are alot of clients that wouldn't like seeing their domain names on such a list.

Easy solution: run the links through a puffer/feeder site.

[DeborahDera]

Originally Posted by franchiseshop

ok - lets put it this way.

I gave 1 website which was 2 years old and had no backlink building done for it, 25 sitewide links on pr5 and pr6 sites. This contributed some 75,000 + links to it overnight. It got de-indexed and it's it's PR nulled. That is not the Google dance. That is Google saying WTF.

Also - I gave an internal page of mine 600+ links in one evening, 2 days later, it went from PR4 to N/R and deindexed. Again, not the Google dance.

The Google dance generally happens when an update is done and all the datacentres are busy rejigging the update and collating their databases.

It can also happen when different datacentres are receiving different volumes of links and giving differing results when people search. One search may show you at #3, another at #14, depending on which datacentre is reporting back.

3 things happened which make me KNOW it was a penalty and not the Google Dance.

1. The Page Rank dropped also. PR is only updated around once every 3 months and has nothing to do with the Google dance what-so-ever.

2. My pages got de-indexed. They did not "dance" they vanished.

3. Both 1 and 2 co-incided with massive links being pointed to both pages.

Please Angela, I know my websites very well, i also know what I do to promote them. It is all very well you reposting stuff about algorithm's and analogies into what you think Google does but that does not reflect on my experience in this matter. Google applied penalties to 2 of my sites pages due to over linking. Simple as that.

Hi. I'm just trying to follow this thread and understand what everyone is saying. Could you elaborate on if and when your sites were reindexed?

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by Tom Goodwin

Actually, I have to disagree with the captcha breaking violating a site's TOS, particularly if you are having a human break them.

Well of course you have to disagree because then you might have to think about not doing it. The Captcha is obvious. Its to show that whoever or whatever is filling out the form is HUMAN. having some guy in india that isn't even filling the form out (or even seeing it) at all is circumventing that TOS. Plain and simp.

Anyway no point in having more back and forth on this. On this forum alot more than than that is considered tos breaking and I'll leave it there.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by Tom Goodwin

Easy solution: run the links through a puffer/feeder site.

Sure like you've been doing but a lot of people don't do that and they still do their blasts.

[Owen Smith]

hmm 1000000 billion website pages to link on? Is this a problem? No I manage very sufficiently.

[josephsalaz]

I have follow Angela's back links, wasn't really impressed with the whole thing.

[sarah.kerr]

The best way to avoid getting banned is to follow the rules of the website you are posting. It is still best to respect their policies.

[yukon]

Originally Posted by sarah.kerr

The best way to avoid getting banned is to follow the rules of the website you are posting. It is still best to respect their policies.

[reserved for future backlink anchor-text]

[Soulofinfamy]

You think the party's over? I sure Do Lol

[bob33229]

If this is true then it is good news for site owners who are fighting with spam links.

[garben2011]

Originally Posted by Okane

Oh, great news... then all I have to do is place my competitors backlinks in that forum and they will be banned...

Yep. Actually there are sites all over the Internet that have been doing this kind of thing for years. I remember playing games online at a site a few years ago who had a page devoted to the top spamming websites online and said they shared the list with other places similar to what this site is saying.

You raise a good point about how you could do it to hurt your competition but these sites don't look at that or care about it. Their concern is stopping the spammer and they assume that is going to be the site getting the link.

[Jimania]

Sounds like a puffy chested threat from the legal & IT departments. As long as you are in compliance with any sites Terms of Use, regardless of where you get the links, there is no problem. If a site offers registration and you accept within their guidelines they have no actionable offenses to pursue.

Bottom line - pay attention to, and respect, the Terms of Use for any site you visit.

[damonnorris235]

As I did not got the packet until the end of the month, most of the other users have already jumped in and done their links so some of the sites had either closed registration, removed link fields or changed the fields to plain text only.

[DDavis]

Originally Posted by Okane

Oh, great news... then all I have to do is place my competitors backlinks in that forum and they will be banned...

LMAO... Im still laughing

[dagaul101]

That is just one site, there are plenty of others, if it eventually end, something else will take its place

[arnie35]

i used it too, and got PR4 from 0 , for a website which was 2 weeks old

so its very amazing , trying now out a 7 years old Website with PR2 maybe comes up to 5

will keep updated

[BarryWheeler]

Originally Posted by arnie35

i used it too, and got PR4 from 0 , for a website which was 2 weeks old

so its very amazing , trying now out a 7 years old Website with PR2 maybe comes up to 5

will keep updated

Really? I call BS. If all you were doing is using Angela's crappy links, IMPOSSIBLE!

[kkchoon]

Originally Posted by BarryWheeler

Really? I call BS. If all you were doing is using Angela's crappy links, IMPOSSIBLE!

Mixing backlinks are just a "must" have step, but real ranking power does come from High PR domain, and profile links just one of it...

[BarryWheeler]

Originally Posted by kkchoon

Mixing backlinks are just a "must" have step, but real ranking power does come from High PR domain, and profile links just one of it...

Really? Real ranking power comes from relevant links, with keyword anchors, from quality sites, not something that's just profile links.

If I get a link from a PR7 site in my "profile", it's not a PR7 link ...

Oh yeah, I guess you can guarantee ranking for any keyword, you would know tha already.

[Mike Anthony]

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Not this thread again!!