Page Rank 3 In Thirty Days With NO Link Building

[Emmanuel Betinis]

Have you ever submitted an article to EZA and seen the
Page Rank of the article jump from 0 to 3 in thirty days
with ZERO link building to the article?


Just curious.

[sezerb]

Never seen that happen before.

[Sleaklight]

I've seen that happen quite frequently and then they get adjusted around a week up to a month later.

[Amenda Jessera]

Wow, that is really great, that seems you have submitted a unique article there with more keywords density, is it?

[SiteBlaster]

Sleaklight is right. I have had that happen four separate times and it will get re-adjusted.

Now here is something that I have done. I setup a re-direct from a new domain name to an aged domain and I left it for about 6 months. I then setup just a couple of links to that re-direct link. Nothing else.

Six months later I needed that new domain so I removed the re-direct and setup my site. Boy was I surprised that it had a PR3. Didn't last though. It was gone within about a week of me setting up my backlinking strategy.

I thought it was interesting that it bled the PR back to the new domain. Probably a fluke. I'm not a PR watcher but I did think it would be an interesting test to do for site flipping.

[askloz]

you dont need backlinks to get a PR.

I ran an experiment last year doing nothing but internal linking, and most of my pages were PR2 and some PR3

Originally Posted by anapest

Have you ever submitted an article to EZA and seen the
Page Rank of the article jump from 0 to 3 in thirty days
with ZERO link building to the article?


Just curious.

[franchiseshop]

Originally Posted by askloz

you dont need backlinks to get a PR.

I ran an experiment last year doing nothing but internal linking, and most of my pages were PR2 and some PR3

PageRank is based on the flow of juice between linking pages. If your pages have zero external links pointing to them then it would be impossible for it to accrue any page rank what-so-ever, regardless of content or internal linking.

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My opinion anyway - happy for you to explain otherwise :-)

[Emmanuel Betinis]

Originally Posted by franchiseshop

PageRank is based on the flow of juice between linking pages. If your pages have zero external links pointing to them then it would be impossible for it to accrue any page rank what-so-ever, regardless of content or internal linking.

Not necessarily.

Unless I'm misunderstanding your point, franchiseshop,
a page with no EXTERNAL linking can STILL
INDEED accrue Page Rank with INTERNAL linking.

It more than likely has something to do with the juice
of the directory itself (EZA) bleeding PR about into it's
inner-pages (my article being one of them).

I'm sure it will re-adjust with time - but then again - time will tell, won't it?

[indexphp]

Why would you want to give your article to EzineArticles? Your only helping them make millions with Adsense.

[pluto1]

I have seen that happen before. PR can be attained without any external link building.

[SiteBlaster]

I agree with askloz. I have small number of sites that have gained PR from internal linking. It does work.

[Kevin Lam]

Guys, your PR doesn't go up JUST because you receive a million backlinks or have a million pages within your site. It goes up ONLY when Google decides to update their PR database. If you happen to see your PR go up within a week, you just so happen to be lucky enough to have your site up and running at that time. If you're in a certain window, like say, starting a website after they've updated their databases then you'll wait about 2-4 months before it happens again.

So marketing with articles or getting backlinks doesn't give you higher PR. It's just when Google decides to do their update. That's it.

Originally Posted by younghamir

hi! sorry i am dumb. but what exactly is internal link again? pls. dont laugh at me. thanks.

Internal linking is simply linking to pages within your own website. That's all. Nothing to feel dumb about.

[franchiseshop]

Originally Posted by anapest

Not necessarily.

Unless I'm misunderstanding your point, franchiseshop,
a page with no EXTERNAL linking can STILL
INDEED accrue Page Rank with INTERNAL linking.

It more than likely has something to do with the juice
of the directory itself (EZA) bleeding PR about into it's
inner-pages (my article being one of them).

I'm sure it will re-adjust with time - but then again - time will tell, won't it?

Then I must misunderstand Page Rank. My understanding is that a Page needs Page Rank to be able to send Page Rank. So if a site has no external links to gain Page Rank from then how can it send Page Rank through it's pages when it has accrued no Page Rank from external links. No matter how well it is linked internally it has no Page Rank to flow within it.

If a Page has no PR or external links to gain PR from to begin with you are saying that it magically appears and gets assigned some from nowhere (from the mysterious GoogleBot?)

I could understand that perhaps Google may assign a small amount of PR, a fraction, perhaps 0.1 to a homepage, but assigning PR3 would make a mockery of the PR system surely.

[Smokey_Joe]

Originally Posted by Kevin Lam

Guys, your PR doesn't go up JUST because you receive a million backlinks or have a million pages within your site. It goes up ONLY when Google decides to update their PR database. If you happen to see your PR go up within a week, you just so happen to be lucky enough to have your site up and running at that time. If you're in a certain window, like say, starting a website after they've updated their databases then you'll wait about 2-4 months before it happens again.

So marketing with articles or getting backlinks doesn't give you higher PR. It's just when Google decides to do their update. That's it.



Internal linking is simply linking to pages within your own website. That's all. Nothing to feel dumb about.

Although I agree with what you are trying to communicate here, I think one correction still needs to be made: it's not a google database update, but pagerank data exported and made visible in the google toolbar. Internal google data are updated continuously.

[Emmanuel Betinis]

Originally Posted by franchiseshop

...if a site has no external links to gain Page Rank from then how can it send Page Rank through it's pages when it has accrued no Page Rank from external links.

Right...

Now, the subject page in question was the article
that has a Page Rank 3 one month later with NO
external links pointing to it (watch the wording here).
However, that does not mean that there are no internal
pages linking to the article that do not have external
links pointing to THEM (That's where THEY got THEIR
Page Rank which then INTERNALLY bled into my article).

Does this make sense?

Yes, it's tricky wording...but basically yes, the Page
Rank has to come from SOMEWHERE, but just because
a page has Page Rank it doesn't necessarily mean
it is because of direct external links pointing in to
that page. It could have gotten it's PR from internal
links on the same domain that got THEIR Page Rank
from external links.

Originally Posted by franchiseshop

...assigning PR3 would make a mockery of the PR system surely.

Yeah, well, there has already been several
mockeries made of the PR system anyway.

[franchiseshop]

OK - Going round in circles here ;-) Perhaps I have gotten the jist of the thread wrong. The OP referred to articles posted on ezinearticles.com. (i think)

I assumed that askloz (and not the OP) was taking about his own domain, however it seems I might be wrong in that assumption.

If you are referring to a page within an existing domain that already has PR assigned to it then yes of course it is possible for the PR to flow through to the article page as it could have been linked from almost anywhere within that domain, thus allowing pagerank to flow.

If however askloz is referring to a unique domain with no external links then I stand by my opinion that it is impossible for it to accrue any PR.

So the question is: Are we referring to a page within an article directory or a stand alone domain with no external links?

[Emmanuel Betinis]

Originally Posted by franchiseshop

So the question is: Are we referring to a page within an article directory or a stand alone domain with no external links?

I'm talking about a page within an article directory (with no external links pointing to the article).

[mariya20]

i totaly agree with Kevin Lam

[askloz]

And you know that for a fact do you?

Oh please, stop talking out of your bottom... get your facts right please. I don't appropriate you calling me a liar.

Do your research first by experimenting.

PR is not ONLY based on External links. It's based on point of relevance BETWEEN pages, regardless if it's external or internal

Originally Posted by franchiseshop

PageRank is based on the flow of juice between linking pages. If your pages have zero external links pointing to them then it would be impossible for it to accrue any page rank what-so-ever, regardless of content or internal linking.

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My opinion anyway - happy for you to explain otherwise :-)

[askloz]

your "OPINION", not a "FACT"

ALL sites, have a PR, just because it says no page rank or ZERO PR, does not mean a page does not have a PR.

ALL pages have a PR of approx 0.85 (hence it not reading as a PR, it will still read a PR0)

So, go out there, create a new site, and add about 500 pages to it, while internal linking with about 5-10 internal links pointing to related pages and category and sub category pages as if they were an site map page.

Then check back in 3-6 months, and watch what happens. then come back and apologise.

Originally Posted by franchiseshop

If however askloz is referring to a unique domain with no external links then I stand by my opinion that it is impossible for it to accrue any PR.

[stevenh512]

Originally Posted by franchiseshop

If however askloz is referring to a unique domain with no external links then I stand by my opinion that it is impossible for it to accrue any PR.

If that were the case, where does pagerank come from in the first place? At least one site (probably many) would have had to have "original pagerank" assigned to them manually by someone at Google so that pagerank could somehow "flow" through the rest of the rest of the internet.

I seem to recall Matt Cutts releasing a basic formula for pagerank not too long ago (well pretty complicated really, but basic compared to what they probably really use) and it suggests the opposite. It starts out with every page (not every site, every individual page) getting a starting value. In that case, with enough pages and a good linking strategy I can see how you could get a 2 or 3 PR with nothing but internal linking.

[Saidar]

Originally Posted by franchiseshop

PageRank is based on the flow of juice between linking pages. If your pages have zero external links pointing to them then it would be impossible for it to accrue any page rank what-so-ever, regardless of content or internal linking.

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My opinion anyway - happy for you to explain otherwise :-)

What you are saying here is that pagerank is like the big bang? Pagerank came out of nothing and is mathematicly impossible?

Pagerank cannot be quantified considering the entire web, your own site can acquire pagerank without any external influence. Otherwise where did all the pagerank come from in the beginning?

[Saidar]

Originally Posted by askloz

And you know that for a fact do you?

Oh please, stop talking out of your bottom... get your facts right please. I don't appropriate you calling me a liar.

Do your research first by experimenting.

PR is not ONLY based on External links. It's based on point of relevance BETWEEN pages, regardless if it's external or internal

Better explanation and makes more sense. I totally agree

[franchiseshop]

Originally Posted by askloz

your "OPINION", not a "FACT"

ALL sites, have a PR, just because it says no page rank or ZERO PR, does not mean a page does not have a PR.

ALL pages have a PR of approx 0.85 (hence it not reading as a PR, it will still read a PR0)

So, go out there, create a new site, and add about 500 pages to it, while internal linking with about 5-10 internal links pointing to related pages and category and sub category pages as if they were an site map page.

Then check back in 3-6 months, and watch what happens. then come back and apologise.

Meh, Tetchy, I at no point called you a liar so keep your pants on. I simply put forward the facts as I understood them. However you did not answer the question before going off, were you referring to a standalone domain or a page within an article directory?

I could fully believe an article within an article directory can accrue PR, however a standalone domain with no external links would not gain toolbar pr 3. My opinion, not calling you a liar, simply stating the facts as I understand them and happy for you to explain otherwise.

Chill ;-)

[whmarketer]

Not had that but I once had a site that went to PR3 with no backlinks. All I had was a link to Google at the bottom of the homepage.

[askloz]

Originally Posted by franchiseshop

Meh, Tetchy, I at no point called you a liar so keep your pants on.

heehe.. Yes you did. You quoted me, stating I was wrong. Hey, I'll put my hand up if I'm wrong and publicly apologise if I was. ALL of the comments I post here, are based on facts, facts based on experiments that I have conducted myself. I don't give opinions based on "assumptions".

Originally Posted by franchiseshop

I could fully believe an article within an article directory can accrue PR, however a standalone domain with no external links would not gain toolbar pr 3. My opinion, not calling you a liar, simply stating the facts as I understand them and happy for you to explain otherwise.

Chill ;-)

Stating facts of an opinion is not a fact when based on "assumption" by reading other people's post, basing opinions on actual testing, is can be classed as a fact.

It's just annoying to read posts who claim something is true or not true without even trying to see if it is true. If I were sit here and just read people's posts without trying all the possible how to's and not how to's, then I would working for someone else doing a 9-5.

You wont get anywhere unless you try things out yourself. There's a lot of newbies reading this forum, and to stear them in the wrong direction would be a nightmare for them. Try and post accurate data to help those peeps walk in the right direction from the onset.

[franchiseshop]

Originally Posted by askloz

heehe.. Yes you did. You quoted me, stating I was wrong. Hey, I'll put my hand up if I'm wrong and publicly apologise if I was. ALL of the comments I post here, are based on facts, facts based on experiments that I have conducted myself. I don't give opinions based on "assumptions".




Stating facts of an opinion is not a fact when based on "assumption" by reading other people's post, basing opinions on actual testing, is can be classed as a fact.

It's just annoying to read posts who claim something is true or not true without even trying to see if it is true. If I were sit here and just read people's posts without trying all the possible how to's and not how to's, then I would working for someone else doing a 9-5.

You wont get anywhere unless you try things out yourself. There's a lot of newbies reading this forum, and to stear them in the wrong direction would be a nightmare for them. Try and post accurate data to help those peeps walk in the right direction from the onset.

Absolutely, and apologies if it seemed I was calling you a liar. I was just trying to present things as I understood them.

Nvm, SEO and the understanding of the big G is a funny ole game.

Best wishes,

[neslo1963]

There are running updates done from goggle. For that reason

[AndyBlackSEO]

Think of it like this. Every page that gets indexed gets awarded a PR of 0.85. Any pages linked from 'said' page that is dofollow gets some of that PR juice. 'Said' page doesn't lose that PR. It just means that the more pages that link from 'said' page retrieve less PR as the value that it can pass on is divided into the amound of outbound links on 'said' page. Page rank cannot be taken away from a page, only passed on. That is why it's possible to structure a site in such a way to increase page rank to certain pages such as the index page, just as Askloz was saying.

[askloz]

Come on Andy, you got the cheek to call me "Askloz" , dude, you know who I am, I taught you how to do SEO mate, call me by my name please.

Any ways up, thanks for confirming below

Originally Posted by AndyBlackSEO

Think of it like this. Every page that gets indexed gets awarded a PR of 0.85. Any pages linked from 'said' page that is dofollow gets some of that PR juice. 'Said' page doesn't lose that PR. It just means that the more pages that link from 'said' page retrieve less PR as the value that it can pass on is divided into the amound of outbound links on 'said' page. Page rank cannot be taken away from a page, only passed on. That is why it's possible to structure a site in such a way to increase page rank to certain pages such as the index page, just as Askloz was saying.

[askloz]

It's all good dude. Have yourself a good weekend.

Originally Posted by franchiseshop

Absolutely, and apologies if it seemed I was calling you a liar. I was just trying to present things as I understood them.

Nvm, SEO and the understanding of the big G is a funny ole game.

Best wishes,

[thenerar]

Originally Posted by anapest

Have you ever submitted an article to EZA and seen the
Page Rank of the article jump from 0 to 3 in thirty days
with ZERO link building to the article?


Just curious.

I have but I also did a little bit of link building (not much, about 30 targeted links). What can I say, EZA is a gold mine!

[AndyBlackSEO]

Originally Posted by askloz

Come on Andy, you got the cheek to call me "Askloz" , dude, you know who I am, I taught you how to do SEO mate, call me by my name please.

Any ways up, thanks for confirming below

Haha... Sorry mate. I wrote that post from my Blackberry about 10 minutes after I woke up this morning... literally. My brain wasn't functioning properly then.

[mkuba]

Some good advice in this thread, thanks for the advice.

[jlaw6402]

Interesting stuff, not sure if it's legit or anything but I'll give it a shot.