6 Months Later: $300 Daily w/Adsense (Lessons Learned)

[D3t0x]

Originally Posted by vivagogo

i heard people say google adsense ban those high CTR account...yours not affected?

Google won't ban for high CTR unless they detect some sort of fraud.

[terryd]

Originally Posted by prawn_86

My (limited) exeprience tells me to be very weary of google. They tend to ban people with no warning and no explanation.

Make sure you withdraw all your cash ASAP and be prepared to lose a months worth of revenue if you ever do get banned.

I would rather take the "chance" rather than sit here and do nothing, watching other people make money............

[Jeremy123]

Google does not ban you unless you break their TOS,
high click-thrus are fine, why wouldn't they be if they are legit.

[TristanPerry]

Originally Posted by terryd

I would rather take the "chance" rather than sit here and do nothing, watching other people make money............

Agreed.

Plus if worst did come to worst (which it shouldn't if you place adverts in a good position and have good content), you can always go with another advertising company. Obviously not an ideal situation, but it doesn't matter too much.

[jrptr]

Some great tip and info here guys.

Lets just say I will be looking at google with a whole new point of view from now on.

[mrtrance]

Originally Posted by John McEachern

Just a quick question if anybody has any insight on this. I read somewhere that Google starts discounting backlinks that keep coming in from the same IP address like Ezine Articles. So, after a while, you reach a point of diminishing returns with backlinks from one place. Has anyone experienced this kind of thing?

John,

Any input on this topic? I think like after 10 or so to Ezinearticles you may want to submit to other directories like GoArticles and Articlesbase.

[internetmarketer99]

Originally Posted by John McEachern

Just a quick question if anybody has any insight on this. I read somewhere that Google starts discounting backlinks that keep coming in from the same IP address like Ezine Articles. So, after a while, you reach a point of diminishing returns with backlinks from one place. Has anyone experienced this kind of thing?

That is the general concensus, and if you think about it, they really have to.

That said, if you're following John's blueprint and done your homework, you're only going after keywords who's current top-spot holders won't require too many backlinks to compete with. Also, you should spread your article submission out across multiple article directories.

For me, I'm integrating some of my own strategies on the sites I'm doing with John's blueprint, using Comment Kahuna and SocialBot for additional backlinks.

Mark

[Richard Odell]

Originally Posted by John McEachern

Just a quick question if anybody has any insight on this. I read somewhere that Google starts discounting backlinks that keep coming in from the same IP address like Ezine Articles. So, after a while, you reach a point of diminishing returns with backlinks from one place. Has anyone experienced this kind of thing?

Not really a problem as you are only back-linking to separate sites for each keyword. As mrtrance indicated it is possibly best to spread the article love about to other directories.

The one thing that may upset the apple cart is Google seeing articles going to one reseller account that hosts multiple keyword sites. Its all about not creating what John calls a "footprint" that the search engines can identify.

If I recall right doesn't John have multiple reseller accounts with hostgator?

I would throw in a little back-linking from other sources to cover the trail a little.

-Rich

[benkleiner]

Maybe any sensitive soul can help me out with the Wordpress
version of John's theme, please?
I really got stuck on that.
Thanks a lot

[Kael41]

That's coming soon. All inquiries for the wordpress theme are to go to John, and not me. I've finished the theme (and use it ) and just last night finished the install video to help everyone out. Once i get the video over to john for you guys, we should be a rockin' and a rollin'

David

Originally Posted by benkleiner

Maybe any sensitive soul can help me out with the Wordpress
version of John's theme, please?
I really got stuck on that.
Thanks a lot

[SimonHarrison]

Does your adsense course in your sig contain the up to date info you gleaned as per page 1 ?

[AdsensePayback]

Originally Posted by D3t0x

Google won't ban for high CTR unless they detect some sort of fraud.

no they wont.. but they will start checking your account for any suspicious activity.. try to keep your CTR low..

[angelah]

Originally Posted by Richard Odell

If I recall right doesn't John have multiple reseller accounts with hostgator?


-Rich

I might be incorrect, but I think John does have the multiple reseller accounts with Hostgator. This was discussed many pages back, and if I'm remembering correctly, he has gone with the reseller accounts in case he ever wants to sell any of his sites.

But maybe John can confirm if this is correct.

Angela

[internetmarketer99]

Originally Posted by AdsensePayback

no they wont.. but they will start checking your account for any suspicious activity.. try to keep your CTR low..

Try to keep your CTR low? Is that a joke? If not, that is *very* bad advice.

Try to raise your CTR as high as you can. And stay well within the TOS.

Mark

[magentawave]

But even if Google does freak out and sand box your site (sadly, this did happen to one of my NON-Adsense sites for no apparent reason), you could just add some other PPC ads to your site like the new MS/Yahoo, and others. I'm not sure how those will pay compared to Google though.

Steve

[TristanPerry]

Originally Posted by internetmarketer99

Try to keep your CTR low? Is that a joke? If not, that is *very* bad advice.

Try to raise your CTR as high as you can. And stay well within the TOS.

Mark

I agree.

I think the point (which I completely disagree with) is that a low CTR will mean that Google won't manually visit your website.

However the point of this entire thread is about creating good quality websites, with good content (targetted around a very specific low hanging fruit keyword).

A good website with good content is fine by Google. Hence there's no problem with being manually reviewed, hence there's no problem with a high CTR.

[Avidpoet]

There are billions upon billions of web pages out there and its impossible for Google to keep and eye over all of them which is why some of these guys can have good standing accounts for years and years. Its when you start to do things to get your site(s) notice ala footprints where you draw the attention to yourself from Google.

I saw the Matrix recently and there was a scene in the movie when Neo (Kenu Reeves) was waking up to the truth and he escaped the bubble. In that scene he popped out of the bubble which drew that lil machine (Google) to himself because it was obvious something was diffrent with that particular bubble than the other billions and billions of other bubbles that were shown in the background.

Kinda weird analagy lol but Im sure those who seen The Matrix get what Im trying to say and I promise I didnt smoke anything atleast not the day I saw The Matrix

[XFactor]

Originally Posted by John McEachern

Just a quick question if anybody has any insight on this. I read somewhere that Google starts discounting backlinks that keep coming in from the same IP address like Ezine Articles. So, after a while, you reach a point of diminishing returns with backlinks from one place. Has anyone experienced this kind of thing?

No, because over time your articles will get picked up by other
webmasters and thus - more backlinks.

- John

[XFactor]

Originally Posted by SimonHarrison

Does your adsense course in your sig contain the up to date info you gleaned as per page 1 ?

My book outlines what I do, and will continue to do, when building
niche sites from this point on.

The thing is, everything is already in this thread, my course
just ties it all nicely together for you.

And in the end, all we are doing is basic SEO and unique content.

- John

[TristanPerry]

Hi John,
One quick question - are you able to say roughly how many words per page you tend to use on your websites?

I know it will vary, but is it around the (say) 400/500 word mark or do you go for very content rich, 1000+ word pages on average? Just wondering what you shoot for on a typical average site.

Thanks,
Tristan

[XFactor]

Originally Posted by TristanPerry

Hi John,
One quick question - are you able to say roughly how many words per page you tend to use on your websites?

I know it will vary, but is it around the (say) 400/500 word mark or do you go for very content rich, 1000+ word pages on average? Just wondering what you shoot for on a typical average site.

Thanks,
Tristan

I'm a 500-600 word guy myself, not sure why though

- John

[TristanPerry]

I tend to aim for around 500 words too. Am not sure why either, I guess it just seems like ~350 words is quite bare on a page, and over 700 words is ample. So I aim for 500. Anywhoo thanks a lot for the reply

Tristan

[Kelly Verge]

Originally Posted by XFactor

I'm a 500-600 word guy myself, not sure why though

- John

Too few words and you'll miss out on long-tail traffic. Too many words and there's too much for your visitors to do (other than click on the ads).

On my pages, 500-600 seems about right to me, too. I do the same for the articles I write for EZA with this system, too.

For traditional article marketing, I shoot for 350+/- for better click-through.

[Kelly Verge]

Originally Posted by John McEachern

What if I just wrote 20 EZA articles a day for a new site and submitted them all at once? Is that ridiculous?

It's not ridiculous, but your brain will melt.

[SimonHarrison]

Originally Posted by XFactor

My book outlines what I do, and will continue to do, when building
niche sites from this point on.

The thing is, everything is already in this thread, my course
just ties it all nicely together for you.

And in the end, all we are doing is basic SEO and unique content.

- John

Thanks John,

I've not had the time to read the first 15 pages or so indepth but it seems like this is something that could clearly be outsourced once the training woes and hassle were overcome.

Would that be an accurate assesment or do any of the elements require attention that's beyond the average outsourcer?

[pts123]

I have heard about a word press theme that is like John's template...can anyone give me a link to it ? I have set up 3 sites using an html template that I created with DW to follow John's theme, however, I find it a real pain to update every little thing on every page when making adjustments

thanks

[XFactor]

Originally Posted by SimonHarrison

Thanks John,

I've not had the time to read the first 15 pages or so indepth but it seems like this is something that could clearly be outsourced once the training woes and hassle were overcome.

Would that be an accurate assesment or do any of the elements require attention that's beyond the average outsourcer?

Yes outsourcing can always be an option when you are ready.

- John

[XFactor]

Originally Posted by pts123

I have heard about a word press theme that is like John's template...can anyone give me a link to it ? I have set up 3 sites using an html template that I created with DW to follow John's theme, however, I find it a real pain to update every little thing on every page when making adjustments

thanks

Check the members area by the end of the week.

- John

[pts123]

Originally Posted by John McEachern

That made me laugh. Thanks, man. Anyway, I just figured I'd get a bunch of articles submitted and see what happens. I figure I'll need at least that much to make a dent.

I know John says some sites only take a few links for him to rank, but I have a feeling things won't be such a smooth ride for me, so I'll just knock out a bunch at once.

I found an author on EZA that I like, and I rewrite all her articles for fatties and just submit them back to EZA. (They approve them all in about a day and a half.) My articles have nothing to do with my sites, and I just put my links for my sites in my resource box. I don't know what kind of results I'll get with that, but that's what I'm doing.

Last week, I got 85 or so article approved with EZA for 4 sites, and I'm not ranked anywhwere yet. I'm on pace for that this week. I guess I have to be patient and I also know there are plenty of other variables involved.

I have 4 sites builts now and that's enough. I want to see if I can make some money with those. So, I'm just going to be an article writing backlinking fool for a bit.

I figure if I can't somehow manage to get those sites ranked and make some money than I suck and maybe should go back to the drawing board, give up, or some nonsense like that.

man I wish EZA were passing my articles that fast..I have 6 pending from over 7 days ago...all are in the first stage...I don't know whats going on with them, it has never taken more than a few days at most...I think I will write to them and get on their case a little...

I have been sending out to other directories though, so at least I am getting some stuff out there...

You did 85 articles in one week ? thats fantastic...I wish I could pump them out that fast...If I average 3-5 in a day I'm doing good....It will take me all afternoon just to get that many done... I guess I'm just a slow poke...must try to get faster...!

Good luck with your sites !

[pts123]

Originally Posted by Kael41

Guys, just to let you know. I'm working on an install video for the wordpress theme I created. Again, this will ONLY be made available to purchasers of John's course. John's had the theme for a while now and has seen it..and it is good

I have purchased john's course...is your word press theme going to be featured in the membership area? I have already created my own html version of John's template, and already put up 3 sites with it, however i would prefer to use wordpress since it is easier to update...

thanks

[Pravir]

This is a great thread and the information provided by John is invaluable. All you need is to take action. I made two of my sites based on this formula and I purchased one of my domain earlier so that doesnt contain the main keywords. I made a seperate page and use the main keyword as a page name. Submitted only two articles and with in a week I got on first page of goolge (rank 8th) and for another keyword I am on second page. I hope after submiting few more articles I will be on top 5 . Thanks John for this simple but highly effective strategy.

[byibo]

yes,but must be unique and niche,also i think it has some sustanability problem about income.but good job .

[andyj00]

Originally Posted by pts123

man I wish EZA were passing my articles that fast..I have 6 pending from over 7 days ago...all are in the first stage...I don't know whats going on with them, it has never taken more than a few days at most...I think I will write to them and get on their case a little...

I've had the same problem this week, took over a week to get approved. Maybe they are short-staffed!

I was hoping I would be promoted to Platium status but I wasnt - I've submitted 65 good quality articles. Does anyone know how long it takes or how many articles to get promoted to Platium status in Ezine?

[bay37]

Hey,

Any update on this? Have you regained the rankings? Its been a month, would love to know how things are going for you.

Originally Posted by RaShon Wells

Has anybody made good money yet?

I started about 12 days ago for a couple day I was making $10 then my earnings dropped because some of my ranking dropped im doing $2-3 per day. My total earnings in 12 days is $80 bucks.

So I have 24 sites made but only have adsense on 6 of them because the other ones are poorly ranked and receiving no traffic. I am going to keep plugging at these sites to get them to make at least $50 per day before I create more.

What kind of success are you guys having?

[D3t0x]

I currently have 47 potentially good domains purchased. I decided to really take action since I saw good results after only a few sites on the first page.

Only about 10 are indexed and on the first page so far in positions 5-10. The rest have not been indexed yet/I am still working on some.

I am averaging $15 a day in about 2 weeks of work. Not bad I think.

P.S. This is with no back links. I decided once most of the sites are indexed I will start getting back links for the sites with best results. These will probably be the ones that rank on the first page even without backlinks or close to it (I already have 10 of them as I mentioned above).

This way I will waste less time on harder niches which might never get good rankings. I'd rather go after the easier niches which I am already ranked well for and I know have a permanent chance on the first page. Next I will dominate them, then work on the harder ones last, or even if I think it looks too hard, just abandon them and find more easier niches. So far my failure rate at guessing if I will get to the first page is about 15-20%.

Yes, I realize I might be wasting money but honestly why write more articles then I have to? There are so many extremely low competition niches available, which I finally realized myself. I don't mind buying 100 or more sites if it comes down to it, as long as I am making that back than its nothing. To make money in business you need to spend some. It's only a once a year payment so I've got nothing to lose and everything to gain. Or anyways that's how I see it.... but hey there are so many different angles you can take this from this is just the way I am doing it.

If my plan fails than I definitely will not give up. Success is my one and only option.

Wish you all good luck!

[dectomax]

Hi,

I've been article marketing for a couple of years for some of my other websites and I recently went looking for my articles on other peoples sites using Googles' exact phrase match. I've noticed that 9 times out of ten, if there is anchor text in my resource box, the links are NOT active on other peoples pages. Only if I've put a 'www.foobarwidget.com' in the actual text are the links active.

So my question is, because Ezine only accept 2 links in the resource box, when promoting your main home page and an internal page with anchor text keywords, would it in fact be better to promote your homepage with 'www.foobarwidget.com' rather than 'anchor text keyword' that may end up not getting any link juice?

Any thoughts.

Thanks

[peter gibson]

Originally Posted by D3t0x

I currently have 47 potentially good domains purchased. I decided to really take action since I saw good results after only a few sites on the first page.

Only about 10 are indexed and on the first page so far in positions 5-10. The rest have not been indexed yet/I am still working on some.

I am averaging $15 a day in about 2 weeks of work. Not bad I think.

P.S. This is with no back links. I decided once most of the sites are indexed I will start getting back links for the sites with best results. These will probably be the ones that rank on the first page even without backlinks or close to it (I already have 10 of them as I mentioned above).

This way I will waste less time on harder niches which might never get good rankings. I'd rather go after the easier niches which I am already ranked well for and I know have a permanent chance on the first page. Next I will dominate them, then work on the harder ones last, or even if I think it looks too hard, just abandon them and find more easier niches. So far my failure rate at guessing if I will get to the first page is about 15-20%.

Yes, I realize I might be wasting money but honestly why write more articles then I have to? There are so many extremely low competition niches available, which I finally realized myself. I don't mind buying 100 or more sites if it comes down to it, as long as I am making that back than its nothing. To make money in business you need to spend some. It's only a once a year payment so I've got nothing to lose and everything to gain. Or anyways that's how I see it.... but hey there are so many different angles you can take this from this is just the way I am doing it.

If my plan fails than I definitely will not give up. Success is my one and only option.

Wish you all good luck!

Now this is a man with a plan! I'll tell you right now you're not going to fail with this attitude.

[SimonHarrison]

Originally Posted by peter gibson

Now this is a man with a plan! I'll tell you right now you're not going to fail with this attitude.

I was just thinking the same, mentality and perseverance are the two factors that seperate the success and the failures.

[SimonHarrison]

Originally Posted by D3t0x

I currently have 47 potentially good domains purchased. I decided to really take action since I saw good results after only a few sites on the first page.

Only about 10 are indexed and on the first page so far in positions 5-10. The rest have not been indexed yet/I am still working on some.

I am averaging $15 a day in about 2 weeks of work. Not bad I think.

P.S. This is with no back links. I decided once most of the sites are indexed I will start getting back links for the sites with best results. These will probably be the ones that rank on the first page even without backlinks or close to it (I already have 10 of them as I mentioned above).

This way I will waste less time on harder niches which might never get good rankings. I'd rather go after the easier niches which I am already ranked well for and I know have a permanent chance on the first page. Next I will dominate them, then work on the harder ones last, or even if I think it looks too hard, just abandon them and find more easier niches. So far my failure rate at guessing if I will get to the first page is about 15-20%.

Yes, I realize I might be wasting money but honestly why write more articles then I have to? There are so many extremely low competition niches available, which I finally realized myself. I don't mind buying 100 or more sites if it comes down to it, as long as I am making that back than its nothing. To make money in business you need to spend some. It's only a once a year payment so I've got nothing to lose and everything to gain. Or anyways that's how I see it.... but hey there are so many different angles you can take this from this is just the way I am doing it.

If my plan fails than I definitely will not give up. Success is my one and only option.

Wish you all good luck!

Good job and well done on the scaling ,lesson here for a lot of folks, think big, act big.

[wolfmmiii]

John....

I've located a keyword that garners about 7500 searches per month. However, the top 10 spots are as follows:

bizrate
bizrate
helium
helium
docstoc
ezinearticles
tootoomart
epinions
------------ (gives niche away)

Although many of these are high PR sites, none of them is niche specific and 3-5 of them are articles and such. Should I be following the same rule for these that you follow when seeing Amazon at the top of the page for a niche (run to the niche?).

[kevin campbelle]

Originally Posted by D3t0x

P.S. This is with no back links.

How are the SE's finding your site. Are you pinging etc?

Kevin.

[EricGiguere]

Originally Posted by AdsensePayback

no they wont.. but they will start checking your account for any suspicious activity.. try to keep your CTR low..

If you're not doing anything blackhat and are following the AdSense Terms and Conditions (including the Program Policies -- those are part of the T&C) then you have nothing to fear with a high CTR.

Remember that Google makes money when surfers click ads. High CTRs are good for Google, too!

[eqalias]

well I'm getting hung up exactly where I feared; analysis paralysis.

As far as the overall picture goes I think I get it. Get keywords that
- you can reach position 1-5'ish on the first page
- you can monetize
- have low competition
- will get enough searches per day/month to make it worth pursuing

I downloaded the trial version of Market Samurai (great tool, just seems slow to me). I have found about 3-4 niche keywords that I really like but since they're not 'perfect' I get worried (some competition has a PR of 2-3, some have good SEO, some have a few backlinks etc).

When you guys pick a keyword, do you generally just pick ones that are completely wide open (competition has no backlinks, no PR, horrible SEO, no content, etc) or do you guys say screw it and pick up keywords that are not perfect but you think you can improve upon? Gah, it's always the analysis that gets me.

[jplanigan]

Originally Posted by eqalias

well I'm getting hung up exactly where I feared; analysis paralysis.

As far as the overall picture goes I think I get it. Get keywords that
- you can reach position 1-5'ish on the first page
- you can monetize
- have low competition
- will get enough searches per day/month to make it worth pursuing

I downloaded the trial version of Market Samurai (great tool, just seems slow to me). I have found about 3-4 niche keywords that I really like but since they're not 'perfect' I get worried (some competition has a PR of 2-3, some have good SEO, some have a few backlinks etc).

When you guys pick a keyword, do you generally just pick ones that are completely wide open (competition has no backlinks, no PR, horrible SEO, no content, etc) or do you guys say screw it and pick up keywords that are not perfect but you think you can improve upon? Gah, it's always the analysis that gets me.

I know the feeling well. I am very new to this, but I don't think there is a perfect keyword. You just need to find some decent keywords and take action. Maybe the competition at the top is a little tougher than you would like. You won't know for sure until you try, but even if it turns out to be tough to hit the top 5, it may just take a little extra backlinking. Maybe a lot more backlinking. It's not the end of the world.

Also, you're not going to get rich off one site. Well, you might get lucky and find a real earner, but you won't find it with one roll of the dice. You need to consistently put sites up and follow a plan to get them ranking. Will some fail to meet your expectations? Certainly. Will you grow your income if you stick with it? Absolutely.

Like I said, I know how you feel. I was following Steve Crooke's adsense strategy for my first site. I think it is a good system, but with it I picked one site to work on. It has not done well. I just didn't know enough when I started to know that I was going into an unbeatable niche. But you know how I learned that? I've been taking action. That site is not a failure because of what it taught me. I have a lot more to learn and every site I build is a learning opportunity. IMHO, John's system is much more newbie friendly and you should be fine.

Pick a couple and get started!

Patrick

[Boris_yo]

Just wanted to share with you 2 things:

1st: For niche ideas try using this tool:
Search-based keyword tool

2nd: For articles and authority backlinks use this:
Knol: a unit of knowledge

[Avidpoet]

Vouche for Micro Niche Finder:

Now this took me about 4 hrs to find Im usually impatient and at one point I was just dumping anything into MNF and found a keyword 74,000 searches a month and it was in the green at 15 with 12,000 competing pages.

Thought I was dreaming because thats so odd so I restarted MNF again and once again the same results. Unfortunately I dont get paid again till next Wednesday so I cant register it I just pray that no one else finds it until I get some money.

MNF is a beast

[jplanigan]

Originally Posted by Avidpoet

Unfortunately I dont get paid again till next Wednesday so I cant register it I just pray that no one else finds it until I get some money.

Wow, that is awesome! Nice find.

I doubt you have anything to worry about between now and next week. There are just so many possibilities that the probability of someone finding this in the next week is very small, but if I was you I would beg, borrow or steal just so I could get started on this one ASAP.

Have you seen to Taco Bell commercial where the guy goes around collecting pennies from the 'Give a penny, take a penny' trays. You could always try that

Good luck with it, sounds like you have a great one.

Patrick

[Boris_yo]

What if i will build backlinks for keywords that do not exist on my site?
Example:

I build links with anchor text for specific keyword of which articles i don't have on my site.
Will this work?

[Avidpoet]

Originally Posted by jplanigan

Wow, that is awesome! Nice find.

I doubt you have anything to worry about between now and next week. There are just so many possibilities that the probability of someone finding this in the next week is very small, but if I was you I would beg, borrow or steal just so I could get started on this one ASAP.

Have you seen to Taco Bell commercial where the guy goes around collecting pennies from the 'Give a penny, take a penny' trays. You could always try that

Good luck with it, sounds like you have a great one.

Patrick

Dude

Since I found it Ive been going to Namecheap off and on all day seeing if anyone has registered it hahah I think someone has the .com already but the .org and .net is available. I just dumbfounded that the person who registered the .com didnt register the .org and .net already.

I'll keep you guys posted how it goes

[XFactor]

Originally Posted by andyj00

I've had the same problem this week, took over a week to get approved. Maybe they are short-staffed!

I was hoping I would be promoted to Platium status but I wasnt - I've submitted 65 good quality articles. Does anyone know how long it takes or how many articles to get promoted to Platium status in Ezine?

Still happens to me, but I move my work like a train so it does not
bother me that it takes so long.

Fill the pipeline everyday with articles and then it will not matter how
long they take to get accepted, because new ones will be approved
every day.

- John