Frank Kern can eat my shorts

BrianMcLeod · 09-30-2009, 02:21 PM

Tough room X whacked out copywriter = this thread (+ Frank Kern)

Divide by average fee of poster (adjusted for inflation).

Net Result: Acrimony

Collette · 09-30-2009, 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Metronicity

Boy...this one is just Pure Unadulterated Vitriol. You should bottle it and sell it. Online. With a good sales letter. But you're not following it. It wasn't a "cheap letter". Oh did I mention I just did a gig for Frank Kern?

Oh dear.... I'm sooooo sorry. Put it down to my lame attempt to engage in an obscure brand of "Aussie" humor.

To paraphrase one of your earlier posts: That post was done in typical Collette humour style - which obviously goes right over the top of your head. I guess you take yourself more seriously than you admit. Perhaps you should take the piss out of yourself more often.

P.S. Stay tuned for my WSO selling Pure Unadulterated Vitriol. I assure you it will be in a very pretty bottle. But don't worry. It'll be cheap.

I'll even send you a personalized bottle. Gratis.

The Copy Nazi · 09-30-2009, 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrianMcLeod

Tough room X whacked out copywriter = this thread (+ Frank Kern)

Divide by average fee of poster (adjusted for inflation).

Net Result: Acrimony

I have an image of Cheech & Chong in my mind for some reason. Cheech is saying to Chong "That's deep, man. Very deep...whatever it means".

YouTube - cheech and chong up in smoke

Kevin Lam · 09-30-2009, 02:41 PM

Speaking of newbie copywriter, I'll come out and say that I am one of them.

I've written sales letters for others for about 4-5 months now. I now charge about $5k for my services.

I don't have a mentor, although I am thinking of Vin (gotta love that guy). Do I need one? Maybe - just too busy with my other business to take one on. Either way, I'm living proof that a "newbie" can charge a hell of a lot by delivering some very responsive sales letters and building relationships with the first few clients he bring in at a low rate.

There was a point when I had a WSO at only $197 and even $397, but to go from there to $5k in less than 6 months... well, anyone can do it in under a year, don't you think?

And to be honest, I was a bit concerned at putting myself out there as a copywriter because I am Vietnamese. People might think I speak and write broken English - I don't. I didn't know how serious people would take me if I am not a native-American, but I went with it. And then the fact that I'm still only 26? I've got a LOT going against me here.

So folks, before we start bashing on Malcolm for being a newbie (although he's written a lot longer than me obviously), let's just all take a chill pill, congratulate the man for being so damn lucky (I'd love to have written for Frank or any other big name gurus just to have the bragging rights - but I'd be damned if I was going to do it for free, LOL) and let's move on with our day.

We obviously have better things to do, more techniques and strategies to learn and a whole lot more money to make. Let's "get'r done!"

The Copy Nazi · 09-30-2009, 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin Lam

Speaking of newbie copywriter, I'll come out and say that I am one of them.

I've written sales letters for others for about 4-5 months now. I now charge about $5k for my services.

I don't have a mentor, although I am thinking of Vin (gotta love that guy). Do I need one? Maybe - just too busy with my other business to take one on. Either way, I'm living proof that a "newbie" can charge a hell of a lot by delivering some very responsive sales letters and building relationships with the first few clients he bring in at a low rate.

There was a point when I had a WSO at only $197 and even $397, but to go from there to $5k in less than 6 months... well, anyone can do it in under a year, don't you think?

And to be honest, I was a bit concerned at putting myself out there as a copywriter because I am Vietnamese. People might think I speak and write broken English - I don't. I didn't know how serious people would take me if I am not a native-American, but I went with it. And then the fact that I'm still only 26? I've got a LOT going against me here.

So folks, before we start bashing on Malcolm for being a newbie (although he's written a lot longer than me obviously), let's just all take a chill pill, congratulate the man for being so damn lucky (I'd love to have written for Frank or any other big name gurus just to have the bragging rights - but I'd be damned if I was going to do it for free, LOL) and let's move on with our day.

We obviously have better things to do, more techniques and strategies to learn and a whole lot more money to make. Let's "get'r done!"

Thank you Kevin. Interesting yarn. Just want to add one thing - "you make your own luck".

The Copy Nazi · 09-30-2009, 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Collette

Oh dear.... I'm sooooo sorry. Put it down to my lame attempt to engage in an obscure brand of "Aussie" humor.

To paraphrase one of your earlier posts: That post was done in typical Collette humour style - which obviously goes right over the top of your head. I guess you take yourself more seriously than you admit. Perhaps you should take the piss out of yourself more often.

P.S. Stay tuned for my WSO selling Pure Unadulterated Vitriol. I assure you it will be in a very pretty bottle. But don't worry. It'll be cheap.

I'll even send you a personalized bottle. Gratis.

Pas de tout. It was a million laughs. Ever thought of writing gags? Good money in that.

Kevin Lam · 09-30-2009, 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Metronicity

Thank you Kevin. Interesting yarn. Just want to add one thing - "you make your own luck".

And I am indeed a lucky man to have what I have now. No complaints here. I'm looking forward to the luck I will create tomorrow and beyond.

Ross Bowring · 09-30-2009, 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin Lam

I don't have a mentor, although I am thinking of Vin (gotta love that guy). Do I need one? Maybe - just too busy with my other business to take one on.

Kevin, I can personally attest to Vin being an amazing mentor.

Yet I'm pretty sure that, as in my case too, HE decides to take YOU on, not the other way around :-)

Kevin Lam · 09-30-2009, 03:48 PM

LOL, indeed, indeed. We've already talked. I would think he'd accept me after all the conversations we had, but I'm so busy as it is to even request it now. I would definitely love to learn more from him once I do get the chance. I'm almost all done streamlining everything. Once I'm there, I'll be talking to him some more.

Collette · 09-30-2009, 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin Lam

...So folks, before we start bashing on Malcolm for being a newbie...

To clarify,Kev - No one was bashing Malcolm for being a newbie.

In fact, I don't believe anyone has ever been bashed here for being a newbie. On the contrary. People here frequently bend over backwards to encourage newbies.

No, my friend. The hostility and disdain you so rightly sense has absolutely nothing to do with his experience. Or lack thereof.

However, for someone of his purported wordsmithing skills, he has a remarkably tin ear.

Hence the global sigh of, "Oh puh-leeze!"

Changing the subject: You need to do some self-affirmation exercises or something. Your writing far from sucks, and is more grammatically correct than many native-English speakers.

You have nothing to be insecure about. If people don't take you seriously for the reasons you named, they're morons. And you don't need morons as clients.

Consider it a Darwinian process of selecting your clients.

Now, go kick some copywriting ass!

Palo Coyote · 09-30-2009, 04:18 PM

First a disclosure, I'm a very good friend of Malcolm Lambe and have been for quite some time now. I'm not a copywriter, just an internet marketing consultant.

I'm always amazed at these threads, if the original post was violating a rule or a TOS it usually gets taken down, Mal edited and deleted most of his original post. And yet many of you are unabashedly attacking him. Not his work, you’re going after Him.

Ray, Subliminal? Really? Now that’s something I’d really like to see.

Any of you read Rule #1 lately?

You attack him as a person, he answers quite kindly and often in a humorous way, NEVER ATTACKING YOU BACK, and THAT seems to rile up many other people. NOW that is Irony! You poke a sharp stick at a tiger in a cage and it just laughs at you, that seems to make you even madder. “We can’t get a nasty rise out of him, POKE HIM AGAIN, HARDER.” Tiger laughs again.

Dr. Harlan, Ed.D, you called him a liar without calling him a liar. Cutely done. Why would you do that? Oh, your sig is nlpcopywriting. Ah yes, the “Newbie” label when you really don’t know if someone is or not. 14 year old players in online games do this to each other as a ego-boosting tactic, it usually fails. “You’re a noobie,” “Unh Uhn, am not, you’re a noobie,” “I am not, you are.” You make a statement of fact, “Frank doesn’t use sales letters these days,” as if you have absolute knowledge or you are Frank. How do you do that with such certainty?

Collette, you can have any opinion you want, you can’t have your own personal set of facts.
Fact is your post was insulting and derogatory, and it was meant to be just that, it’s not humor, satire, irony nor was it a lame attempt to engage in an obscure brand of Aussie humor. And in your post you assert that this is pimping for a WSO, a no-no on WF. If that’s true then the Mods usually take the thread down. What’s your proof of that?
Since you are a copywriter competing with Mal and others and I supposed it’s not unusual to be critical of someone else’s work, but it’s quite clear you were attacking Mal, not his work, especially with lines about burning incense and the uber-cool, super rad, rebel copywriter. Oh yes, your supporter MarkA thinks what you wrote is rude. I’ll agree with that.
Collette, I’m curious, what makes you think you’re immune to WF Rule #1?

Mark, you’ve referred to yourself in the third person a couple of times, do you do that often? What’s the reason for that? It’s quite and odd thing to read. It’s NO secret that you don’t like Mal and that’s he’s been critical of your work in the past, but to simply be a Cheerleader for Collette? It’s kind of like you’re hiding behind her, now that’s ironic.
If you got banned for rudeness as you write and you would have enjoyed writing what she wrote, but you think you’d get banned again…then you must think Collette’s post is rude? Should she be banned for rudeness as you were?

And Montello, saying “Maybe it's just that YOUR copy ain't worth a thing.” How is that not attacking Mal? Maybe the Copywriting Forum has immunity from Rule #1. Let me ask you this Monetello, if Mal or anyone else said that about your writing, would you turn them in to the Mods? Would you be offended? You certainly are not talking about any specific piece of copy you’ve read, so you’re not talking about the “work” you talking about another WF member, in a most negative way.

Collete, you wrote, "To clarify,Kev - No one was bashing Malcolm for being a newbie." Collete, did you read post #51, Dr. Harlan, Ed.D said, Frank's going to launch a new product and hire someone to do a sales letter. And he's going to have a newbie do it." How is that NOT calling Mal a newbie? Taken with the rest of that post it could hardly be called a "ringing, positive endorsement," bashing seems very accurate. Dripping with sarcasm seems a good description too, I mean c'mon this is the Copywriters Forum where the wordsmiths come and write, some with eloquence and wit.

Well, OK. A good spirited discussion. On with the show as some American once said.

Palo Coyote
Aka Tony Marino

Kevin Lam · 09-30-2009, 04:22 PM

LOL, thanks, Collete. You're always sweet and helpful, so it was weird seeing you do some eye gouging, lol. No, I don't have those insecurities anymore. That was before I got started and I blew it out of the water after taking on my first client at $800.

And no, I don't think you guys were bashing him for being a newbie. Someone just mentioned that some where and I was just making a point so other newbies will have a little hope for themselves. All I meant to say was - let's just move on and have a good day.

Anyway, back to work for about another hour and I'm off! I'm gonna go enjoy my 50" TV, lol.

Kevin Lam · 09-30-2009, 04:23 PM

Definitely my cue to go. This might get ugly, lol. Bye everyone.

Kevin Lam · 09-30-2009, 05:13 PM

That's because I sent as much money as I could AT THE TIME and didn't have enough so I requested help. I was doing fine right after that. It was like getting a great return for an act of kindness. What goes around, comes around. So I'm glad I did that.

Kevin Lam · 09-30-2009, 05:20 PM

And for the record, I don't have to prove anything to someone that got banned and then sucked his way back in. I wasn't trying to start trouble here, but you obviously can't help yourself.

Let's not forget, you're the bozo that got bent out of shape about me joking about your drunkenness even though you publicly stated that you drank a lot of alcohol while working at 3AM. It was a friendly joke and then you went and got on your LOW horse with a stupid rampage.

No need for your jealousy here. So AGAIN, I will go enjoy my 50" tv. You can go drink up some more if you'd like.

Scott Murdaugh · 09-30-2009, 05:42 PM

I vote for lock and delete.

Peace,

-Scott

Justin Mandel · 09-30-2009, 05:55 PM

It's going downhill fast, but maybe we should let the snowball keep on rolling - just for giggles

Kevin Lam · 09-30-2009, 06:53 PM

Hahahahaha, I just got an infraction from Mark. So you, Mark.

You start crap, someone says something and then you send them an infraction.

So you're telling me you find it a bit odd for celebrities and multi-millionaires to ask for donations to help OTHER people, right? Surely, if they ask for money, it must mean they don't make very much themselves, right? Ignorant.

And of course, Tellman Knudson running to raise money for the homeless youth must mean that he has NO MONEY WHATSOEVER, right?

You surprise me more and more everyday with your ignorance.

I asked for help from people who could provide the help. Other Warriors who were "struggling" and offering to help, didn't help because they couldn't. I got donations from my own people, not the Warrior forum. The one's that did from here were people who already knew me outside of the WF.

I gave up what I could and asked for more. Do you KNOW how much brain surgery costs? Do you KNOW how much it costs to incubate a brain? You offered to send money to help, but you never did. You were just posting to LOOK as if you were nice. Just save your snobby self.

You question me simply because I was asking for a helping hand to help others. That goes to show what kind of person you are.

No, leave this thread open. I'd like to see how much more stupidity comes out of him. What a pity, Mark. I'm done here anyway.

Daniel Scott · 09-30-2009, 07:06 PM

Collette,

Best. Post. Ever.

Every day you are more and more beautiful to me.

I'm getting on the next plane... meet me at the airport. We'll make passionate love by the fireplace and marry on the 'morrow.

Or we could just go out for coffee. I mean... whatever, you know?

-Dan

Collette · 09-30-2009, 07:19 PM

Tony,
You might want to review some of Malcolm's posts before you refer to WF rules.

Malcolm appears to take a perverse delight in denigrating the work of other copywriters. He has made a number of posts which rudely suggest that the work of other copywriters is not worth the fee which they charge - and which THEIR clients are happy to pay.

He regularly makes rude and disdainful comments about the abilities of other copywriters, the value of their work, the validity of their qualifications, and their intellect. It's rude, it's unhelpful, it's derogatory, and it's unnecessary. And, on more than one occasion, those comments have been directed personally.

For the record: I have NO problem with Malcolm scoring a gig with Kern. I like Kern; I admire Kern; I respect Kern as one of the few Internet Marketing Big Names who actually delivers geniune value.

If a copywriter can score a look-see from Kern - more power to him. Kudos.

I believe that most people here feel the same way.

If Malcolm had posted something along the lines of "Wow! I just got a project from Frank Kern!!!", I believe he would have gotten a universally positive response.

He did not do that.

Instead, he launched into his usual "I'm the best copywriter alive and the rest of you are wanna-be, overcharging, incompetent schmucks" schtick.

Even going so far as to making the sweeping statement "... don't think your copy is worth $5,000 - because it 'ain't."

Well, excuuuuse me. Who, exactly, is Malcolm Lambe that he has the authority (or the chops) to degrade the work of other copywriters? When, exactly, did he become an authority on how independent contractors should value THEIR work?

And how many of the copywriters on this board has HE paid for their work, that he is equipped to make such a sweeping evaluation?

And even after he was aware that his comments were offensive and unnecessarily derogatory...

He kept going

and going

and going.

And then he had the temerity to posit that he's misunderstood, on account of his Aussie "humor" going right over our feeble American heads.

I, for one, have worked with a number of Aussies, and never had a problem understanding - and appreciating - an "Aussie" sense of humor. I suggest to you that, had there been anything remotely humorous about Malcolm's OP or his responses, that humor would have been noted and appreciated.

Live by the sword; die by the sword.

For the record, I never posted "my own set of facts". Heck, I didn't even post my opinion. I simply regurgitated the essence of Malcolm's posts. Almost all of which were self-referential, and many of which were crudely insulting.

There some damn fine copywriters in the WF. There some damn fine people in the WF. And there are some damn fine people working hard to become damn fine copywriters and provide real value for their clients.

No one who is serious about copywriting and who is serious about being a good copywriter deserves to be belittled and insulted. No matter which Internet Big Name the insulter says he has written for.

Because, where once we might have cared, and congratulated, now...

Frankly, my dear, we don't give a damn.

P.S. I am not in competition with Malcolm. I haven't taken on a new client in months. Haven't looked for a new client, and don't intend to. Please note that I don't even have a signature file.

Daniel Scott · 09-30-2009, 07:59 PM

Quote:

"... don't think your copy is worth $5,000 - because it 'ain't."

Guess we'd better call Carlton, Makepeace, Bencivenga, Fortin etc and let them know.

-Dan

Matt Jutras · 09-30-2009, 09:31 PM

A blind man walks into a bar with a seeing-eye dog.

When the blind man reaches the center of the bar, he snatches the dog up by his collar and starts swinging him around and around.

The bartender speaks up and says "Hey, what the hell are you doing?"

The blind man says, "Just taking a look around..."

09-30-2009, 02:21 PM	#51
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09-30-2009, 02:41 PM	#54
Kevin Lam Dare To Dream War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 986 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 179 Thanked 229 Times in 154 Posts	Re: Frank Kern can eat my shorts Speaking of newbie copywriter, I'll come out and say that I am one of them. I've written sales letters for others for about 4-5 months now. I now charge about $5k for my services. I don't have a mentor, although I am thinking of Vin (gotta love that guy). Do I need one? Maybe - just too busy with my other business to take one on. Either way, I'm living proof that a "newbie" can charge a hell of a lot by delivering some very responsive sales letters and building relationships with the first few clients he bring in at a low rate. There was a point when I had a WSO at only $197 and even $397, but to go from there to $5k in less than 6 months... well, anyone can do it in under a year, don't you think? And to be honest, I was a bit concerned at putting myself out there as a copywriter because I am Vietnamese. People might think I speak and write broken English - I don't. I didn't know how serious people would take me if I am not a native-American, but I went with it. And then the fact that I'm still only 26? I've got a LOT going against me here. So folks, before we start bashing on Malcolm for being a newbie (although he's written a lot longer than me obviously), let's just all take a chill pill, congratulate the man for being so damn lucky (*I'd love to have written for Frank or any other big name gurus just to have the bragging rights - but I'd be damned if I was going to do it for free, LOL*) and let's move on with our day. We obviously have better things to do, more techniques and strategies to learn and a whole lot more money to make. Let's "get'r done!"

09-30-2009, 03:48 PM	#59
Kevin Lam Dare To Dream War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 986 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 179 Thanked 229 Times in 154 Posts	Re: Frank Kern can eat my shorts LOL, indeed, indeed. We've already talked. I would think he'd accept me after all the conversations we had, but I'm so busy as it is to even request it now. I would definitely love to learn more from him once I do get the chance. I'm almost all done streamlining everything. Once I'm there, I'll be talking to him some more.

09-30-2009, 04:18 PM	#61
Palo Coyote Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: AZ, USA Posts: 197 Thanks: 201 Thanked 91 Times in 51 Posts	Re: Frank Kern can eat my shorts First a disclosure, I'm a very good friend of Malcolm Lambe and have been for quite some time now. I'm not a copywriter, just an internet marketing consultant. I'm always amazed at these threads, if the original post was violating a rule or a TOS it usually gets taken down, Mal edited and deleted most of his original post. And yet many of you are unabashedly attacking him. Not his work, you’re going after Him. Ray, Subliminal? Really? Now that’s something I’d really like to see. Any of you read Rule #1 lately? You attack him as a person, he answers quite kindly and often in a humorous way, NEVER ATTACKING YOU BACK, and THAT seems to rile up many other people. NOW that is Irony! You poke a sharp stick at a tiger in a cage and it just laughs at you, that seems to make you even madder. “We can’t get a nasty rise out of him, POKE HIM AGAIN, HARDER.” Tiger laughs again. Dr. Harlan, Ed.D, you called him a liar without calling him a liar. Cutely done. Why would you do that? Oh, your sig is nlpcopywriting. Ah yes, the “Newbie” label when you really don’t know if someone is or not. 14 year old players in online games do this to each other as a ego-boosting tactic, it usually fails. “You’re a noobie,” “Unh Uhn, am not, you’re a noobie,” “I am not, you are.” You make a statement of fact, “Frank doesn’t use sales letters these days,” as if you have absolute knowledge or you are Frank. How do you do that with such certainty? Collette, you can have any opinion you want, you can’t have your own personal set of facts. Fact is your post was insulting and derogatory, and it was meant to be just that, it’s not humor, satire, irony nor was it a lame attempt to engage in an obscure brand of Aussie humor. And in your post you assert that this is pimping for a WSO, a no-no on WF. If that’s true then the Mods usually take the thread down. What’s your proof of that? Since you are a copywriter competing with Mal and others and I supposed it’s not unusual to be critical of someone else’s work, but it’s quite clear you were attacking Mal, not his work, especially with lines about burning incense and the uber-cool, super rad, rebel copywriter. Oh yes, your supporter MarkA thinks what you wrote is rude. I’ll agree with that. Collette, I’m curious, what makes you think you’re immune to WF Rule #1? Mark, you’ve referred to yourself in the third person a couple of times, do you do that often? What’s the reason for that? It’s quite and odd thing to read. It’s NO secret that you don’t like Mal and that’s he’s been critical of your work in the past, but to simply be a Cheerleader for Collette? It’s kind of like you’re hiding behind her, now that’s ironic. If you got banned for rudeness as you write and you would have enjoyed writing what she wrote, but you think you’d get banned again…then you must think Collette’s post is rude? Should she be banned for rudeness as you were? And Montello, saying “Maybe it's just that YOUR copy ain't worth a thing.” How is that not attacking Mal? Maybe the Copywriting Forum has immunity from Rule #1. Let me ask you this Monetello, if Mal or anyone else said that about your writing, would you turn them in to the Mods? Would you be offended? You certainly are not talking about any specific piece of copy you’ve read, so you’re not talking about the “work” you talking about another WF member, in a most negative way. Collete, you wrote, "To clarify,Kev - No one was bashing Malcolm for being a newbie." Collete, did you read post #51, Dr. Harlan, Ed.D said, Frank's going to launch a new product and hire someone to do a sales letter. And he's going to have a newbie do it." How is that NOT calling Mal a newbie? Taken with the rest of that post it could hardly be called a "ringing, positive endorsement," bashing seems very accurate. Dripping with sarcasm seems a good description too, I mean c'mon this is the Copywriters Forum where the wordsmiths come and write, some with eloquence and wit. Well, OK. A good spirited discussion. On with the show as some American once said. Palo Coyote Aka Tony Marino
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09-30-2009, 04:22 PM	#62
Kevin Lam Dare To Dream War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 986 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 179 Thanked 229 Times in 154 Posts	Re: Frank Kern can eat my shorts LOL, thanks, Collete. You're always sweet and helpful, so it was weird seeing you do some eye gouging, lol. No, I don't have those insecurities anymore. That was before I got started and I blew it out of the water after taking on my first client at $800. And no, I don't think you guys were bashing him for being a newbie. Someone just mentioned that some where and I was just making a point so other newbies will have a little hope for themselves. All I meant to say was - let's just move on and have a good day. Anyway, back to work for about another hour and I'm off! I'm gonna go enjoy my 50" TV, lol.

09-30-2009, 04:23 PM	#63
Kevin Lam Dare To Dream War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 986 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 179 Thanked 229 Times in 154 Posts	Re: Frank Kern can eat my shorts Definitely my cue to go. This might get ugly, lol. Bye everyone.

09-30-2009, 05:13 PM	#64
Kevin Lam Dare To Dream War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 986 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 179 Thanked 229 Times in 154 Posts	Re: Frank Kern can eat my shorts That's because I sent as much money as I could AT THE TIME and didn't have enough so I requested help. I was doing fine right after that. It was like getting a great return for an act of kindness. What goes around, comes around. So I'm glad I did that.

09-30-2009, 05:20 PM	#65
Kevin Lam Dare To Dream War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 986 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 179 Thanked 229 Times in 154 Posts	Re: Frank Kern can eat my shorts And for the record, I don't have to prove anything to someone that got banned and then sucked his way back in. I wasn't trying to start trouble here, but you obviously can't help yourself. Let's not forget, you're the bozo that got bent out of shape about me joking about your drunkenness even though you publicly stated that you drank a lot of alcohol while working at 3AM. It was a friendly joke and then you went and got on your LOW horse with a stupid rampage. No need for your jealousy here. So AGAIN, I will go enjoy my 50" tv. You can go drink up some more if you'd like.

09-30-2009, 05:42 PM	#66
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09-30-2009, 06:53 PM	#68
Kevin Lam Dare To Dream War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 986 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 179 Thanked 229 Times in 154 Posts	Re: Frank Kern can eat my shorts Hahahahaha, I just got an infraction from Mark. So you, Mark. You start crap, someone says something and then you send them an infraction. So you're telling me you find it a bit odd for celebrities and multi-millionaires to ask for donations to help OTHER people, right? Surely, if they ask for money, it must mean they don't make very much themselves, right? Ignorant. And of course, Tellman Knudson running to raise money for the homeless youth must mean that he has NO MONEY WHATSOEVER, right? You surprise me more and more everyday with your ignorance. I asked for help from people who could provide the help. Other Warriors who were "struggling" and offering to help, didn't help because they couldn't. I got donations from my own people, not the Warrior forum. The one's that did from here were people who already knew me outside of the WF. I gave up what I could and asked for more. Do you KNOW how much brain surgery costs? Do you KNOW how much it costs to incubate a brain? You offered to send money to help, but you never did. You were just posting to LOOK as if you were nice. Just save your snobby self. You question me simply because I was asking for a helping hand to help others. That goes to show what kind of person you are. No, leave this thread open. I'd like to see how much more stupidity comes out of him. What a pity, Mark. I'm done here anyway.

09-30-2009, 07:06 PM	#69
Daniel Scott The Cake Is A Lie War Room Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Mackay, QLD, Australia Posts: 2,165 Thanks: 291 Thanked 641 Times in 370 Posts Contact Info	Re: Frank Kern can eat my shorts Collette, Best. Post. Ever. Every day you are more and more beautiful to me. I'm getting on the next plane... meet me at the airport. We'll make passionate love by the fireplace and marry on the 'morrow. Or we could just go out for coffee. I mean... whatever, you know? -Dan
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09-30-2009, 07:19 PM	#70
Collette Advanced Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: alicubi super pluvia Posts: 780 Thanks: 236 Thanked 511 Times in 259 Posts	Re: Frank Kern can eat my shorts Tony, You might want to review some of Malcolm's posts before you refer to WF rules. Malcolm appears to take a perverse delight in denigrating the work of other copywriters. He has made a number of posts which rudely suggest that the work of other copywriters is not worth the fee which they charge - and which THEIR clients are happy to pay. He regularly makes rude and disdainful comments about the abilities of other copywriters, the value of their work, the validity of their qualifications, and their intellect. It's rude, it's unhelpful, it's derogatory, and it's unnecessary. And, on more than one occasion, those comments have been directed personally. For the record: I have NO problem with Malcolm scoring a gig with Kern. I like Kern; I admire Kern; I respect Kern as one of the few Internet Marketing Big Names who actually delivers geniune value. If a copywriter can score a look-see from Kern - more power to him. Kudos. I believe that most people here feel the same way. If Malcolm had posted something along the lines of "Wow! I just got a project from Frank Kern!!!", I believe he would have gotten a universally positive response. He did not do that. Instead, he launched into his usual "I'm the best copywriter alive and the rest of you are wanna-be, overcharging, incompetent schmucks" schtick. Even going so far as to making the sweeping statement "... don't think your copy is worth $5,000 - because it 'ain't." Well, excuuuuse me. Who, exactly, is Malcolm Lambe that he has the authority (or the chops) to degrade the work of other copywriters? When, exactly, did he become an authority on how independent contractors should value THEIR work? And how many of the copywriters on this board has HE paid for their work, that he is equipped to make such a sweeping evaluation? And even after he was aware that his comments were offensive and unnecessarily derogatory... He kept going and going and going. And then he had the temerity to posit that he's misunderstood, on account of his Aussie "humor" going right over our feeble American heads. I, for one, have worked with a number of Aussies, and never had a problem understanding - and appreciating - an "Aussie" sense of humor. I suggest to you that, had there been anything remotely humorous about Malcolm's OP or his responses, that humor would have been noted and appreciated. Live by the sword; die by the sword. For the record, I never posted "my own set of facts". Heck, I didn't even post my opinion. I simply regurgitated the essence of Malcolm's posts. Almost all of which were self-referential, and many of which were crudely insulting. There some damn fine copywriters in the WF. There some damn fine people in the WF. And there are some damn fine people working hard to become damn fine copywriters and provide real value for their clients. No one who is serious about copywriting and who is serious about being a good copywriter deserves to be belittled and insulted. No matter which Internet Big Name the insulter says he has written for. Because, where once we might have cared, and congratulated, now... Frankly, my dear, we don't give a damn. P.S. I am not in competition with Malcolm. I haven't taken on a new client in months. Haven't looked for a new client, and don't intend to. Please note that I don't even have a signature file.

09-30-2009, 09:31 PM	#72
Matt Jutras Use Your Illusion War Room Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 523 Thanks: 188 Thanked 179 Times in 114 Posts	Re: Frank Kern can eat my shorts A blind man walks into a bar with a seeing-eye dog. When the blind man reaches the center of the bar, he snatches the dog up by his collar and starts swinging him around and around. The bartender speaks up and says "Hey, what the hell are you doing?" The blind man says, "Just taking a look around..."