Go Back   WarriorForum - Internet Marketing Forums > The Warrior Forum > The Copywriting Forum
Register Blogs FAQ Social Groups CalendarHelp Desk

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 12-27-2009, 09:34 PM   #1
Warrior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Florida
Posts: 29
Thanks: 1
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Social Networking View Member's FaceBook Profile  View Member's Twitter Profile  View Member's YouTube Profile
Default Having a tough time with writing my headline...

OK, I've read countless books on marketing from all the Guru's and have learned Direct Response Marketing to become one of the largest wireless dealers in the state of Florida, but that was easy for me because I had branded my company.

Now, I'm totally stuck!

My new site is totally being recreated into a membership site that comes with a wealth of knowledge, my contacts and exact resources how I earn on average 15-25% PER MONTH. That's not a typo and I've been doing this for years using several different investments...from Automated Robots to very unconventional and outside of the box methods.

This last year I cleared about 700% in totally passive income that I'm going to share with the public. Other than showing people my tax returns it's hard for people to believe. But it's the truth and I've been doing this for years and I've been very close to the vest with exactly how I pull this off every year. I'm not a genius, but I've been blessed with very wealthy friends and also have been an investor since I was 19, starting my first company.

I know that it will come down to doing alot of split testing, but my problem is that I don't want to sound like some pie in the sky or get mixed in with the "To hard to believe crowd" and I don't want people to just gloss over the headline and be so overboard in my statement/Headline.

There's so many ways to go and I end up with a headline that's way to long and try to touch on everything. My main keyword(s) are passive investing/Passive Income/Wealth Generation/Forex Robots and that's just the tip of the iceberg.

Enough said... Here's what I've come up with:

"Semi-Retired Offline Millionaire Reveals All About How Anyone Can Make 15-25 PERCENT EVERY MONTH on their own money!"

"Discover the EXACT secrets to how I earn 15-25% PER MONTH on my own money using 100% hands free and passive income strategies...Full Access to my Golden Rolodex, Contacts, Resources and MORE!"

"Discover How I Legally Rob Banks and Make 15-25% on Autopilot Per Month...!00% Totally Passive Income Streams, millionaire investor reveals how anyone can do it to, NO EXPERIENCE Neccesary!"

Well? Which if any strikes your curiosity the most or would make you want to read on?

Feel free to criticize or add a subheader if you think of any.

Thanks Everyone!
Scott

Every wants to make money, that's just normal. Imagine if your very best friend told you that you found a simple way to making $1 dollar invested you would get at least $4 dollars in return and it was completely passive income and fully automated! Here's the keys and access to the greatest investment www.scottrobinsoninc.com
ScottRobinson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-27-2009, 09:39 PM   #2
Writer of Copy
War Room Member
 
dtendrich's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 160
Thanks: 16
Thanked 37 Times in 19 Posts
Default Re: Having a tough time with writing my headline...

I like the angle on the first headline...

But I think you can simplify it and de-hype it a bit, and just let the info create hype for you:

"How Anyone Can Make 15-25% Every Month on Their Own Money... Without Doing a Thing"

I'd play with that - the whole "make 15-25% passively" angle

Cheers,
David

Copywriting Tips, internet marketing jargon, thoughts, and rants by me.

Atlanta Copywriter, serving clients worldwide.

Write your life.
David Tendrich
dtendrich is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-27-2009, 10:41 PM   #3
Who'm I kidding?
War Room Member
 
Loren Woirhaye's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Easthampton, Massachusetts
Posts: 4,554
Blog Entries: 15
Thanks: 118
Thanked 921 Times in 659 Posts
Social Networking View Member's FaceBook Profile  View Member's Twitter Profile  View Member's YouTube Profile
Contact Info
Send a message via Yahoo to Loren Woirhaye Send a message via Skype™ to Loren Woirhaye
Default Re: Having a tough time with writing my headline...

As always, if you want me to do something for you, you've
got to tell me what's in it for me, not how fabulous you are.

Loren Woirhaye is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-2009, 01:45 AM   #4
Mal Lambe
War Room Member
 
The Copy Nazi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: The Bunker, Paris
Posts: 2,486
Blog Entries: 2
Thanks: 791
Thanked 1,480 Times in 701 Posts
Social Networking View Member's FaceBook Profile  View Member's Twitter Profile  View Member's YouTube Profile
Contact Info
Send a message via Skype™ to The Copy Nazi
Default Re: Having a tough time with writing my headline...

The classic headline in that genre is Gary Halbert's -

"WANTED:
Novice Crew to 'Rob' Banks Legally…
… With an Inside Job!"




The Copy Nazi is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-2009, 02:13 AM   #5
Active Warrior
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 57
Thanks: 3
Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts
Default Re: Having a tough time with writing my headline...

show me the value with less of the cool-whip hype
sgboston23 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-2009, 02:14 AM   #6
Pete Young
War Room Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: downunder
Posts: 2,168
Blog Entries: 1
Thanks: 367
Thanked 522 Times in 357 Posts
Default Re: Having a tough time with writing my headline...

"Your future security guaranteed. Millionaire Reveals unique business opportunity"

• - dodging spammers
tryinhere is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-2009, 03:59 AM   #7
Active Warrior
War Room Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 32
Thanks: 5
Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts
Default Re: Having a tough time with writing my headline...

I like the jist of the 3rd headline.

The whole concept of "legally robbing banks" is an oxymoron in itself. This in turn is guaranteed to keep people clinging for an answer.

Play around with a few different titles containing words similar to this and i think you will get onto a winner in no time
TheChimp is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-2009, 07:37 AM   #8
Content & Copywriting Wiz
War Room Member
 
Steven Wagenheim's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Roselle, NJ, USA
Posts: 16,410
Blog Entries: 11
Thanks: 1,553
Thanked 6,310 Times in 2,354 Posts
Social Networking View Member's Twitter Profile  View Member's YouTube Profile
Default Re: Having a tough time with writing my headline...

Give Me 5 Minutes
And I'll Show You How To Make
15% - 25% EACH MONTH
Totally On Autopilot

Steven Wagenheim is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-2009, 08:25 AM   #9
Cash Creating Copywriter
War Room Member
 
Ross Bowring's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Philadelphia, USA
Posts: 722
Thanks: 588
Thanked 637 Times in 220 Posts
Social Networking View Member's Twitter Profile 
Default Re: Having a tough time with writing my headline...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Metronicity View Post
The classic headline in that genre is Gary Halbert's -

"WANTED:
Novice Crew to 'Rob' Banks Legally…
… With an Inside Job!"

Pretty sure that's Jim Sheridan's headline, not G.H.

Ross Bowring is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-2009, 10:35 AM   #10
Warrior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Florida
Posts: 29
Thanks: 1
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Social Networking View Member's FaceBook Profile  View Member's Twitter Profile  View Member's YouTube Profile
Default Re: Having a tough time with writing my headline...

Excellent feedback...It seems that the robbing your bank legally is an attention grabber. I'll mix it up and give it a go in the real world...

Much appreciated WARRIORS!

Every wants to make money, that's just normal. Imagine if your very best friend told you that you found a simple way to making $1 dollar invested you would get at least $4 dollars in return and it was completely passive income and fully automated! Here's the keys and access to the greatest investment www.scottrobinsoninc.com
ScottRobinson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-2009, 11:55 AM   #11
Content & Copywriting Wiz
War Room Member
 
Steven Wagenheim's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Roselle, NJ, USA
Posts: 16,410
Blog Entries: 11
Thanks: 1,553
Thanked 6,310 Times in 2,354 Posts
Social Networking View Member's Twitter Profile  View Member's YouTube Profile
Default Re: Having a tough time with writing my headline...

Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkAndrews IMCopywriting View Post
To be perfectly frank, I liked this one the
most, no hype at all, just a bare boned
factual headline.

That in itself would lend me to think,
'Okay what's in this for me'? ... and I
would probably continue to read further
down the sales letter.

The rest of the headlines above, every-
one has seen those a thousand times
over and they just lead to a certain
amount of headline blindness on the
part of website visitors.

Inwardly, with many of these other one's
above, one just groans inwardly, 'Oh here
we go again, another bloomin' outlandish
income claiming sales page headline'.

Just be factual and straight to the point,
it's the main thrust of your deck that is
going to convince visitors to your sales
page to keep on reading further down
below and hopefully, to make that
purchase decision.

Or, really come up with something unique
and out of the box to grab that attention.

Too many headlines these days are all the
same. Break out of that mold and brand
yourself as offering something uniquely
different from the maddening crowd.

Thanks Mark. I was trained by one of the best in the
business.

But I won't mention any names.

Steven Wagenheim is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-2009, 12:01 PM   #12
Business Man
War Room Member
 
lakshaybehl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Globe Trotter from Delhi, India
Posts: 1,962
Blog Entries: 12
Thanks: 266
Thanked 469 Times in 148 Posts
Social Networking View Member's FaceBook Profile  View Member's Twitter Profile 
Contact Info
Send a message via Yahoo to lakshaybehl
Default Re: Having a tough time with writing my headline...

15%-25% Return On Your Investment In A Month? No Way...

The concept is that your claim is so big that it directly shoots the BS meter into the red zone. While it might be a sound approach that you're teaching, it is definitely not easy to prove it.

Headlines that have inbuilt proof work best. Acknowledging of disbelief is an extremely subtle yet powerful type of proof.

-Lakshay

P.S. Combine benefits, curiosity and proof in one statement and that is much more likely to be the headline of your control.

lakshaybehl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-2009, 12:20 PM   #13
I.C.Hope
War Room Member
 
Intrepreneur's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Northern Ireland
Posts: 2,575
Thanks: 453
Thanked 243 Times in 191 Posts
Contact Info
Send a message via Skype™ to Intrepreneur
Default Re: Having a tough time with writing my headline...

That headline hurt my eyes and brain. Should be broken up into 3 seperate headlines if you ask me. Stick to the 8 second rule. New line for every 8 seconds of reading especially at headline.

Top5Best4You

500 PR2 - PR6 links for $10 with report. PM me. Instantly created, drip fed. Google friendly.
Intrepreneur is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-2009, 12:24 PM   #14
Senior Warrior Member
War Room Member
 
Lance K's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: USA
Posts: 3,867
Thanks: 1,439
Thanked 648 Times in 405 Posts
Contact Info
Send a message via Skype™ to Lance K
Default Re: Having a tough time with writing my headline...

It would help to have as much description about your ideal customer as possible. That way any market specific lingo, hot buttons, demographics, psychographics, etc. can be used when brainstorming headlines.

"You can have everything in life that you want if you
just give enough other people what they want."
~ Zig Ziglar

Lance K is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-2009, 12:49 PM   #15
Cash Creating Copywriter
War Room Member
 
Ross Bowring's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Philadelphia, USA
Posts: 722
Thanks: 588
Thanked 637 Times in 220 Posts
Social Networking View Member's Twitter Profile 
Default Re: Having a tough time with writing my headline...

Metron...

It's Jim talking about the letter he wrote. Can't see where he says Gary wrote the headline. Maybe you can point it out to me.

There are also websites where people besmirch the product behind this letter, who go into detail about Sheridan telling the story at a seminar about how he wrote it. Best not to post them here out of respect. I'll PM you.


Last edited by Ross Bowring; 12-28-2009 at 02:49 PM. Reason: brevity
Ross Bowring is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-2009, 02:56 PM   #16
Mal Lambe
War Room Member
 
The Copy Nazi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: The Bunker, Paris
Posts: 2,486
Blog Entries: 2
Thanks: 791
Thanked 1,480 Times in 701 Posts
Social Networking View Member's FaceBook Profile  View Member's Twitter Profile  View Member's YouTube Profile
Contact Info
Send a message via Skype™ to The Copy Nazi
Default Re: Having a tough time with writing my headline...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ross Bowring View Post
Metron...

It's Jim talking about the letter he wrote. Can't see where he says Gary wrote the headline. Maybe you can point it out to me.

There are also websites where people besmirch the product behind this letter, who go into detail about Sheridan telling the story at a seminar about how he wrote it. Best not to post them here out of respect. I'll PM you.
Yes you're absolutely right. Just PMed you. Thanks! M.



The Copy Nazi is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-2009, 02:56 PM   #17
HyperActive Warrior
War Room Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Cleveland
Posts: 460
Thanks: 298
Thanked 120 Times in 80 Posts
Social Networking View Member's Twitter Profile 
Default Re: Having a tough time with writing my headline...

If you really want to get into the mindset of the investment and copywriting mentality, then you have to study some of the best sales letters in the world...

site:isecureonline.com/Reports/ - Google Search

Dave
David Maschke is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-29-2009, 03:08 PM   #18
Warrior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Florida
Posts: 29
Thanks: 1
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Social Networking View Member's FaceBook Profile  View Member's Twitter Profile  View Member's YouTube Profile
Default Re: Having a tough time with writing my headline...

Wow, you guys are great...I think this is a Hot Topic and this thread has helped me out tremendously and I'm sure many others...

Thanks for all your input!
Scott

Every wants to make money, that's just normal. Imagine if your very best friend told you that you found a simple way to making $1 dollar invested you would get at least $4 dollars in return and it was completely passive income and fully automated! Here's the keys and access to the greatest investment www.scottrobinsoninc.com
ScottRobinson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-31-2009, 08:00 AM   #19
HyperActive Warrior
War Room Member
 
ghyphena's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Oxford, UK
Posts: 170
Blog Entries: 9
Thanks: 16
Thanked 60 Times in 38 Posts
Contact Info
Send a message via Skype™ to ghyphena
Default Re: Having a tough time with writing my headline...

Yes, go ahead and call him - you heard him, he'll turn your product into CHAS MAKIN MACHINE!

And, as a side note, for such a big claim you might want to try a spin on Gene Schwartz:

Do You Have The Courage To Earn 25% A Month?

Gil-Ad Schwartz
ghyphena is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-31-2009, 09:57 AM   #20
Rick Duris CopyRanger.com
War Room Member
 
RickDuris's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Laguna Beach, CA
Posts: 1,180
Thanks: 513
Thanked 1,431 Times in 518 Posts
Social Networking View Member's Myspace Profile  View Member's FaceBook Profile  View Member's Twitter Profile 
Contact Info
Send a message via Skype™ to RickDuris
Default Re: Having a tough time with writing my headline...

Hi ScottRobinson and others,

Here's a little tip:
Percentages alone (like 25%) are too abstract, UNLESS they denominated with some sort of base amount of money.

For instance:

---------------------
My program will show you how to turn your $10,000 into $12,500--in less than 12 months (An amazing annualized 25% return)
---------------------

(That is NOT the headline you want to run with, I am offering it to clarify.)

Stated differently, you can't put 25% in your wallet or purse or bank account. You want to make the results tangible as possible.

- Rick

RickDuris is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 12-31-2009, 01:28 PM   #21
Expert Product Creator
War Room Member
 
WD Mino's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Home
Posts: 1,777
Blog Entries: 7
Thanks: 979
Thanked 624 Times in 405 Posts
Social Networking View Member's YouTube Profile
Contact Info
Send a message via Skype™ to WD Mino
Default Re: Having a tough time with writing my headline...

Quote:
Originally Posted by SeBrantigan View Post
It needs to stand out - add a little humour and curiosity to the title if possible. Elaborate a little in the title because you need to SELL the article/email/whatever with the headline.

Humor should not be used when selling a product it will turn a lot of people off Keep it simple. if I came to your site and saw 15-25 % I would think of what what does that mean is that good how much do I make

One thing about people is you have to spell it out for them at least I was told so by the copywriters on here. People are not that bright they don't want to think they want to know upfront what your offering and why they should get involved.

I try to keep things simple but don't always succeed but Russel Brunson says keep it stupidly simple Who are you what do you got why do they need it where can they get it. I miss it sometimes but it is proven to work so it is sound advice.

just mo
-WD

|KimW Needs YOUR Help To Survive|
"As a man thinks in his heart so is he-Proverbs 23:7"
You are just wasting time focusing on the wrong direction of the market and you will lose out if you don't stop click here now[/URL]
WD Mino is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-31-2009, 02:37 PM   #22
Warrior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Florida
Posts: 29
Thanks: 1
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Social Networking View Member's FaceBook Profile  View Member's Twitter Profile  View Member's YouTube Profile
Default Re: Having a tough time with writing my headline...

OK...Here's what I Came Up With, What do You Think Guys?
If you we're an investor, would this stop you in your tracks?
“Advanced Artificial Intelligence: Extreme Performance, Extreme Accuracy... Unheard Of CONSISTENCY... A New Artificial Intelligence Frontier Has Been Established...”

Bottom line, we produced solid PROOF that 95.82% accuracy is possible over a long period of time (consistency) ONLY if you can predict the immediate future...
...and ONLY if you can fuse new Artificial Intelligence technology and real, long term Forex trading experience...
To produce results like:
2009 Performance:
1,865.33% (364 days)
2008 Performance:
623.47.84%
2007 Performance:
810.70%
2006 Performance:
333.05%
2005 Performance:
810.70%
2004 Performance:
677.67%
2003 Performance:
656.52%
2002 Performance:
441.28%
2001 Performance:
597.54%

These Results are Documented Proof and History of XXXXXXXX from 2001.


XXXXXX XXXXX™ Is The Outcome Of Our Personal 38 Years Of Combined Commercial Bank Trading Experience... You Can Count On The Best Of The Best... You Can Count On The Perfect (And Only) “Multi-Market” Forex Robot In The Market.


2009: 1,865.33% (to date) • 2008: 623.84% • 2007: 612.91%
2006: 333.05% • 2005: 810.70% • 2004: 677.67%
2003: 656.52%• 2002: 441.28% • 2001: 597.54%



The only way to CONSISTENTLY quadruple every single dollar deposited in your trading account is by having a robot that works with deadly accuracy in every single market condition.
Again ... Quadrupling Your Dollars =
EVERY SINGLE MARKET CONDITION Performance.




BEFORE YOU CONTINUE, UNCONDITIONAL:

Please, DO NOT Keep On Reading Before You Get To Know
Who We Are, What We Do, And WHY We Can Back Up
Our “Dollar Quadrupling” Claim Here...


MORE CONTENT HERE>>>>>>
OFPOASHDF{OIUHASD{SOIUFH{OADUHF{OHADF{OIUHAD{OIFH{ OIDAIHF{OHADOHF{OHDA{OFHG{ODUAHA{OUHFV{ODHGO{VDH{O VGHDO{HODSHGV{ODH……………………………………………………………………

Every wants to make money, that's just normal. Imagine if your very best friend told you that you found a simple way to making $1 dollar invested you would get at least $4 dollars in return and it was completely passive income and fully automated! Here's the keys and access to the greatest investment www.scottrobinsoninc.com
ScottRobinson is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

  WarriorForum - Internet Marketing Forums > The Warrior Forum > The Copywriting Forum

Tags
headline, time, tough, writing

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 07:18 AM.