Warrior Forum Copywriter Of The Year 2009

[Ronak Shah]

Hello Warriors,

Please vote for the Warrior Forum's Copywriter Of The Year 2009.

You've to vote according to 3 parameters:

1) Copywriting Expertise.
2) Forum Posting Behavior (Whether helpful & polite or not).
3) Overall Value Created in $$$$$ terms for you.

Nominate one copywriter who you think is the BEST in the Warrior Forum and hangs out here often than not. You must state why you think so?

I wish someone could come out with a winners prize for "Copywriter Of The Year 2009".

I'd another idea of having "copywriter of the month" for encouraging professional behavior and immense level of quality posting between copywriters. This would encourage people to post courteously, contribute like anything and make no posts that is below the line of conduct within this forum. If we could really have a prize for the winner, this will be really a great thing for our forum. The prize could be anything, a few $$$$$ or even a book on Copywriting to the winner.

Thank you so much everyone for your posts within this forum. Have a Happy New Year 2010!

[Ronak Shah]

Originally Posted by Paul McQuillan

There are a number of Warriors I admire. If I had to
pick one with all three qualities you mention....

Mike Humphreys

with Brian, Loren and newbie Duris close behind

Yeah.. my vote goes to Mike Humphreys.

Brian McLeod comes close so does Loren.

Thanks Paul for posting and have a Happy New Year 2010!

Guys, keep voting for Warrior forum copywriter of the year 2009!

[Rick Johansson]

My vote goes to Loren Woirhaye. Very helpful posts in this forum.

Rick

[RickDuris]

Thank you, Paul. I'm grateful for the opportunity to make a difference. - Rick Duris

[The Copy Nazi]

"Warrior Forum's Copywriter of the Year"? Are we to presume this is endorsed by The Warrior Forum and Allen Says? If not, you're being presumptuous and messing with his brand. And the writing is terrible.

[Scott Murdaugh]

I don't really like the idea...

This is going to turn into a pissing match, or make someone feel left out, or something. I don't see anything good coming out of it.

Most helpful? Probably Mike or Alexa... Hard to say.

Most profitable? No idea... They may or may not be an active poster, and probably rarely if ever freelance.

Most thought provoking? Probably Collette... Again, tough call.

Wordiest? Mark Andrews, hands down

We've all got our strengths and weaknesses, I'm not even sure if the "winner" would appreciate the attention, I could be wrong though.

Also, I don't think anyone here has made me money directly. Made me money by inspiring me or giving me ideas definitely. Encouraging, giving confidence, definitely... But I can't put a price on stuff like that.

Just a thought.

-Scott

[Jack Bastide]

Originally Posted by Metronicity

"Warrior Forum's Copywriter of the Year"? Are we to presume this is endorsed by The Warrior Forum and Allen Says? If not, you're being presumptuous and messing with his brand. And the writing is terrible.

Well there's ONE person who s not gonna get nominated :0)

Jack

[MikeHumphreys]

Originally Posted by Paul McQuillan

Who crapped in your Cheerios?

I do agree this is not a great 'contest' as I like a few guys
on here, a lot. The one it's not fair to is us answering the
question.

If you were to ask me again tomorrow Vin, Brian Fingers or
Loren may be 'number one'.

Mike has been killing it on here lately

Paul, I agree. It's nice to see a nice creative thread started by someone in this forum, one that *might* encourage some fun talk.

Was Ronak's original post perfect English? No, but it was close enough to make his points.

Personally, I can't think of any other languages besides English that I could write a complete sentence, so I give every person that English is not their native language props for their efforts.

Can we try to keep things nice in this thread?

[MikeHumphreys]

Thanks Paul, Ronak, Scott, and anyone else I may have forgotten to mention, for your kind words.

As for Ronak's question... it's a tough vote. Of course, once you eliminate the back-stabbing, mud-slinging, and name-calling that went down in 2009... it's a lot easier to see that there's been some dynamite posts and threads in this forum.

I won't vote for myself b/c that's kind of cheesy IMHO.

So I'll cast my vote for Ray L. Edwards, followed closely by Collette and Brian McLeod. There's plenty of other people who are worthy of mention but I'm just voting from my memory which is a bit sleep-deprieved and in the middle of a client project to finish before weeks end.

Keep an eye out for Paul McQuillian and Rick Duris in 2010 as both of them have been making a lot of effort lately to help people in this forum. They might be the ones getting public props before the end of 2010.

Take care,

Mike

[DonDavis]

You copywriters are a rowdy bunch. Very entertaining.
I'm looking forward to the winners acceptance speech.

[RickDuris]

Hi DonDavis,

Here's my future acceptance speech:

Gushing, with tears in my eyes... "You like me! You really like me!" - Sally Field

Hey, what can I say? It came from my awards ceremony acceptance speech swipe file.



- Rick Duris

[DonDavis]

LMAO. That's what was going through my mind as I made that post

[Jag82]

It's Collete and Mike Humphreys for me.

I learnt a great deal from them and many of you too.

Happy 2010!

Jag

[Ken Strong]

Originally Posted by DonDavis

You copywriters are a rowdy bunch. Very entertaining.
I'm looking forward to the winners acceptance speech.

You bring the booze, I'll bring the chicken wire.

[Greg Jacobs]

Originally Posted by Metronicity

"Warrior Forum's Copywriter of the Year"? Are we to presume this is endorsed by The Warrior Forum and Allen Says? If not, you're being presumptuous and messing with his brand. And the writing is terrible.

I vote for malcolm.

[ghyphena]

You know, my reservations about the pertinence of this contest notwithstanding, the criteria themselves need to be more clearly defined... how do you balance quality with quantity?

Some contributors may be more conservative in the number of posts, but when they do post, they offer well-thought-out advice, in-depth critiques of other Warriors' copy, links to interesting and obscure resources, and useful copy exercises.

Ross Bowring. travlinguy. Scott Murdaugh. Someone I had on the tip of my tongue a second ago but can't remember now.

My point: most copywriters here don't exactly make each other "$$$$$", as Scott pointed out. At least not directly. We're down to expertise and behaviour... so really it depends on what the lower threshhold for "regular contributor" is.

The point is, of course, moot... and, as far as I'm concerned, the "Copywriter of the Month" award for encouraging professional behaviour is entirely unnecessary.

As everybody knows, we're all friends. There are no egos here in the Copywriting sub-forum...

[Kay King]

There are no egos here in the Copywriting sub-forum...

That cracked me up! Seriously cracked me up!

A contest encourages competition - not cooperation. Announcing a competition on another person's forum... and then asking others to provide the prize? Of course some will jump in to nominate each other....and then what? Will they be on other forums saying "I won the copywriter of the year award on the Warrior Forum by popular vote?" ROFLMAO

once you eliminate the back-stabbing, mud-slinging, and name-calling that went down in 2009

If you just eliminated the multiple threads complaining about what other people charge...this section would be much thinner.

kay

[The Copy Nazi]

Why don't you just have a "Most Posts of the Year in Order to Have My Signature Seen by the Most Eyes Award" and be done with it? But really, as Kay and I have both pointed out, this is not being mooted by the Forum Owner or even a Mod with clout. That alone makes it bogus in my book.

It would be more fun to have a "Wooden Spoon Award for Biggest Stirrer" or a "Shakespeare Award for the Copywriter With the Most Tenuous Grasp of English Grammar".

[Ken Strong]

Originally Posted by Metronicity

It would be more fun to have a "Wooden Spoon Award for Biggest Stirrer" or a "Shakespeare Award for the Copywriter With the Most Tenuous Grasp of English Grammar".

Dude, we tryna get peoples to buy stuff, not write no English essays... dry and pedantic does not convert.

[Jack Bastide]

Originally Posted by Metronicity

Why don't you just have a "Most Posts of the Year in Order to Have My Signature Seen by the Most Eyes Award" and be done with it? But really, as Kay and I have both pointed out, this is not being mooted by the Forum Owner or even a Mod with clout. That alone makes it bogus in my book.

It would be more fun to have a "Wooden Spoon Award for Biggest Stirrer" or a "Shakespeare Award for the Copywriter With the Most Tenuous Grasp of English Grammar".

I think we should have the "Dale Carnegie Award" for
the person who most closely follows the principles of
"How To Win Friends and Influence People"

I nominate Metrocity

Can I get A 2nd on that?

Jack

[Ken Strong]

Originally Posted by Jack Bastide

Can I get A 2nd on that?

Make it a fifth and I'll join you.

[The Copy Nazi]

Originally Posted by KenStrong

Dude, we tryna get peoples to buy stuff, not write no English essays... dry and pedantic does not convert.

Who says it has to be "dry and pedantic"? But it helps if you at least get the grammar and spelling right. But on the other hand, it's probably a lost cause with Americans -

between 23 and 27 million Americans are functionally illiterate. Some researchers put the number as high as 60 million. The decline in the nation's literacy rate has received a great deal of attention: billboards and posters proclaiming messages to erase illiteracy adorn the nation's highways, while numerous television and radio spots transmit the same tune. But it hasn't received enough action. Adult illiteracy is growing by 1.5 million persons per year.

Case in point - scroll up - the Dude can't even get my moniker right.

Here - I'll share a PM from one of our esteemed colleagues. Guess who he's referring to.

The thing all these people have in common is very average writing skills but the ability to promote themselves well. People come in here and see high post counts and many automatically believe that means talent. Put that together with the utter BS the self-proclaimed copywriting gurus spew and they become little gods.

M------- is famous for telling beginners that grammar and spelling isn't nearly as important as "knowing your customer". There's a bit of truth in that but the novice doesn't understand that's the exception and not the rule so they never get their basic chops down as a writer. And that definitely shows in everything they write. So it goes.

Happy New Year fellow hacks!

[The Copy Nazi]

Originally Posted by MarkAndrews IMCopywriting

He certainly gets my Most Cantankerous Git Award!

How about a Frank Kern Award too, could we have
one of those as well?

That's alright mate. Gary Halbert was seen as a "cantankerous git" too. He wouldn't have lasted two seconds in this place. As for Kern, the last time you lot were slagging me off he said "Amazed by the people wanting to waste time arguing with you about stupid ****."

Love your work. Cheers, Mal.

[Chris Ramsey]

I vote for me

[BrianMcLeod]

YouTube- Broadcast Yourself.

[Ronak Shah]

This thread is more about encouraging copywriters to be known as the best copywriter in the forum.

I'd a specific purpose behind it:

1) To inspire posting behavior of all copywriter's in this forum so that there is more of contribution and less of bickering, bitching, etc.
2) To encourage copywriter's to behave responsibly & professionally, because as John Taylor had said earlier "It's a case of serious concern". I've no doubt about that either. I guess Steven W agrees no less on that.
3) Every copywriter must vouch for the best copywriter tag in the forum. That's how everyone could get better at posting "professionally" rather than making indirect personal comments.

If you see everyone voting and rooting for someone, it shows that there are copywriters who are inspiring other people by their posting in this forum. I want more of that to happen. I want to inspire and get inspired.

Like it or not, I dislike one or two posts on this thread which is below the line according to me. I hope we inspire each other rather than post personal comments & off-topic comments in 2010.

Mike's posting is inspiring and awesome. I am going to keep track of each of his threads.

I've never seen a personal comment from him against anyone. That's why I call him insanely professional.

This is not just about competition with other people, it's about getting better at your self. This is about the copywriter who is very professional in his posting behavior, talks to the point, helps each and every member, respects everyone equally, makes sure he does everything with sincerity and keeps himself positive all the time.

If everyone would post like Mike Humphreys, this place is going to ROCK!

If you can't appreciate what I'm doing, thanks anyway! You're always welcome

It's about building relationships. I'm sure Rick felt much better after being voted amongst one of those promising copywriters who are posting with efficacy and professionalism. And he got a little closer to those people who appreciated his contribution sincerely, didn't he?

If someone appreciates me, I LOVE IT.

If you see Mike has appreciated me for doing this thread as a fun thread. If he does not like the idea, I'm sure he'll tell me the same via PM.

If you don't like to be appreciated by your fellow members and be voted as the best
copywriter we've here, thanks anyway! I am fine with it.

I'd love to be appreciated and respected which I'm sure you do so does everyone.

So, if you love to appreciate fellow members and think a copywriter made a difference to you in the past whole year, VOTE NOW for that person. INSPIRE! MOTIVATE! ENCOURAGE!

Lets find role models in this forum and make this place heavenly!

I really appreciate it, sincerely. KEEP VOTING!

[The Copy Nazi]

Originally Posted by ronakshah

This thread is more about encouraging copywriters to be known as the best copywriter in the forum.

I'd a specific purpose behind it:

1) To inspire posting behavior of all copywriter's in this forum so that there is more of contribution and less of bickering, bitching, etc.
2) To encourage copywriter's to behave responsibly & professionally, because as John Taylor had said earlier "It's a case of serious concern". I've no doubt about that either. I guess Steven W agrees no less on that.
3) Every copywriter must vouch for the best copywriter tag in the forum. That's how everyone could get better at posting "professionally" rather than making indirect personal comments.

If you see everyone voting and rooting for someone, it shows that there are copywriters who are inspiring other people by their posting in this forum. I want more of that to happen. I want to inspire and get inspired.

Like it or not, I dislike one or two posts on this thread which is below the line according to me. I hope we inspire each other rather than post personal comments & off-topic comments in 2010.

Mike's posting is inspiring and awesome. I am going to keep track of each of his threads.

I've never seen a personal comment from him against anyone. That's why I call him insanely professional.

This is not just about competition with other people, it's about getting better at your self. This is about the copywriter who is very professional in his posting behavior, talks to the point, helps each and every member, respects everyone equally, makes sure he does everything with sincerity and keeps himself positive all the time.

If everyone would post like Mike Humphreys, this place is going to ROCK!

If you can't appreciate what I'm doing, thanks anyway! You're always welcome

It's about building relationships. I'm sure Rick felt much better after being voted amongst one of those promising copywriters who are posting with efficacy and professionalism. And he got a little closer to those people who appreciated his contribution sincerely, didn't he?

If someone appreciates me, I LOVE IT.

If you see Mike has appreciated me for doing this thread as a fun thread. If he does not like the idea, I'm sure he'll tell me the same via PM.

If you don't like to be appreciated by your fellow members and be voted as the best
copywriter we've here, thanks anyway! I am fine with it.

I'd love to be appreciated and respected which I'm sure you do so does everyone.

So, if you love to appreciate fellow members and think a copywriter made a difference to you in the past whole year, VOTE NOW for that person. INSPIRE! MOTIVATE! ENCOURAGE!

Lets find role models in this forum and make this place heavenly!

I really appreciate it, sincerely. KEEP VOTING!

"I", "I", "I". Pal this is not YOUR forum. You have no authority here nor credibility. Who cares what YOU want. And on that subject Wikipedia says -

Forum rules are maintained and enforced by the moderation team, but users are allowed to help out via what is known as a report system. Most American forum software contains such a system. It consists of a small function applicable to each post (including one's own). Using it will notify all currently available moderators of its location, and subsequent action or judgment can be carried out immediately, which is particularly desirable in large or very developed boards. Generally, moderators encourage members to also use the private message system if they wish to report behavior. Moderators will generally frown upon attempts of moderation by non-moderators, especially when the would-be moderators do not even issue a report. Messages from non-moderators acting as moderators generally declare a post as against the rules, or predict punishment. While not harmful, statements which attempt to enforce the rules are discouraged.

And what, pray tell, has Steven W got to do with it? A Johnny-come-lately to this section and a guy who, by his own admission, knows zip about copywriting. A guy coming off a ban for spamming the main board. Truly laughable and why the Mods didn't nip this thread in the bud from the off is beyond me. You're not looking for "The Copywriter of the Year" - you're just trying to run a high-school popularity contest based on who hasn't upset anyone else during the year. Which has stuff-all to do with copywriting. Mike Humphreys may indeed be the most helpful and the Mister Nice-Guy of this forum but by his own admission he's found by personal experience THAT IT'S GOOD FOR BUSINESS. In other words he's deliberately positioned himself as the "voice of reason". Good on him.

As for personal attacks, bitching, moaning etc - go back through the posts and you'll soon seen who the culprits are. The usual suspects. A couple of them were even asked by John Taylor to withdraw their personal comments directed towards me recently and have failed to do so. That tells me everything I need to know. Seems the "Rules" don't apply to everyone.

This is not a forum in the true sense of the word. Look it up - "a public meeting or assembly for open discussion". This is more like "How many spurious posts can I make so I get my signature seen by as many people as possible". In other words, spam.

While you're at it - go back and look at my contributions over the year. I've helped a lot of people out both with their copy and other stuff. In fact some of the info I've given is worth real dough. Have you seen what I suggested the other day to the guy with the softball camp? I virtually gave him his campaign-in-a-box.

Finally...they say that we are all moderators here. Well at least Paul Myers said it. But that's poppycock isn't it. There are moderaters here. Appears John Taylor is the head honcho. But then you have others like Ken Strong who appears of late to be taking sides rather than moderating impartially.

So there you go campers. I've said what I've been wanting to say for ages. If you think I'm the Mister Nasty of the forum and don't contribute anything valuable - go ahead and ban me. It will be your loss, not mine. And the place will be far less entertaining for the rubberneckers who drive-by to check out the latest stoush.

UPDATE: just been checking your credentials Ronakshah. You wrote your first so-called sales letter last October. You claim it's converting at 2.5%. You also say you did the gig for free because "I want to prove my credibility". Not like that you won't. Next time you might want to do some due diligence on your prospective clients. This Jason Kelly appears to be a straight-out fraudster. I've been checking the claims made on that sales page. Another forex bot scammer who boasts to have been "featured in The Wall Street Journal and Business Week!" Read this - including the comments - Ripoff Report: Jason Kelly's DAY TRADING ROBOT Folks, exercise due dilligence before buying, this is a warning based on initial experience Miami Florida

[WD Mino]

You helped me Metro I thank you for that. I am sorry everyone seems to go off on you but you took time to address me
Thank you for that . However. In saying that you are going off on them as well. You folks are supposed to be professionals but from what I see your just acting like kids. So here is a thought. why not just discuss things like adults.Does it upset you because you won't win? I don't think so. do these people see you every day? No do these things have any bearing on your own personal life? No. why let it get to you man. or any of you why? doesn't make any sense 1 man could build a house in 10 months but 2 could build it in 5 a team within a month. isn't it better to be a team and try and earnestly help one another then fight and cry and whine over spilled milk. attacking one another who we really know nothing about except what gets posted by them.
Just a thought friends
-WD

[MikeHumphreys]

Originally Posted by Metronicity

Mike Humphreys may indeed be the most helpful and the Mister Nice-Guy of this forum but by his own admission he's found by personal experience THAT IT'S GOOD FOR BUSINESS. In other words he's deliberately positioned himself as the "voice of reason". Good on him.

Seeing that the Warrior Forum is a marketing forum where people can sell their products and services, I would think it's a good idea to do whatever ethically brings you more business.

I've gotten more business by being nice than going Wolverine on people and shredding their a$$es publicly. But hey, that's what works for me.

So there you go campers. I've said what I've been wanting to say for ages. If you think I'm the Mister Nasty of the forum and don't contribute anything valuable - go ahead and ban me. It will be your loss, not mine. And the place will be far less entertaining for the rubberneckers who drive-by to check out the latest stoush.

You raise some good points.

My vote would be that we skip the banning and tell Mal that he has to write a free report on how to pick up Aussie chicks. I think the single guys would love it... Heck, it might even swing the vote for Mal in a big way.

Of course, I've always had a thing for Aussie model Elle Macpherson for many, many years so I might be a bit biased.

Take care,

Mike

[Ronak Shah]

"I", "I", "I". Pal this is not YOUR forum.

Well, then who's is it? Only Allen owns it or we do as members of this forum as well?

Metronicity, I have great respect for you. It looks like it is neither anyone else's forum, is it? As you quoted Paul Myers saying "we are all moderators here". How could we be moderators of a forum we don't own Pal?

To encourage responsible posting behavior is a SIN, is it?

Firstly, you on this thread have made valid points about what you feel. Everyone has the right towards putting their POV across so do I. My last posts and this thread was written to encourage professional quality contributions from copywriters.

This forum like the war room can become a gold mine if the posting is done responsibly. If not, there will be plenty of people who've enough reasons to ignore this forum in particular.

I've absolutely great respect towards you. You may be kidding if you even thought I disliked you. My comments were not directed towards you or your posts, even though one of your first posts does not add value to the thread. It's not below the line, just makes no sense. If you don't like the thread, ignore it. Why waste time?

Fact is I love you. Your posts are great. And you are professional in your behavior as well. I'm quite a big fan of your's Metro'. I'm DAMN SERIOUS.

You are quite a nice guy actually. I'm not kidding. I mean it. Everyone knows that. So, forget anything I said because that's not what I meant towards you.

When I saw who this guy is who claims Frank Kern has appreciated his copywriting skills. I thought you were all show, no proof. But you proved otherwise.

Well, what I mean by professionalism is sticking to the point of discussion and adding value about the same with precise timing. What people like Mike Humphrey's and John Taylor do is add value to the forum. They stick to quality posting and genuinely help people. I've seen it working. I've never seen any off-topic comment by Mike Humphreys. If he ever did any, that was in light spirit. That's how people recognize other forum members like them.

Finally those who spam with their signature never last long enough in the forum. You are recognized by the quality of your posts (contribution) and not quantity of your posts. That's how everyone is positioning themselves.

You have no authority here nor credibility.

That was a great joke indeed. I can't resist a good laugh at that one. LOL You offer people an approval of whether you think they have an authority or credibility here? It's like you're taking things too far. Let's keep it civil. Arguments and personal comments are always not acceptable. If you tell another person the same statement, an argument (WAR) will erupt NOW. Lets keep it professional or else I'll have to delete all my posts on this thread and do away because arguments make no sense to me.

This is a fun thread. If you like it, add value. If you don't like this thread, why waste your time here? IGNORE. Time is precious.

Just for a signature you are adding a post? (I don't think you're that kind) If that is so anyway, please stop doing that and wasting everyone's time. Once gone, it may never come back. I think you're a quality guy. Just quite emotional (which is a REAL compliment) and very sentimental.

As for personal attacks, bitching, moaning etc - go back through the posts and you'll soon seen who the culprits are. The usual suspects. A couple of them were even asked by John Taylor to withdraw their personal comments directed towards me recently and have failed to do so. That tells me everything I need to know. Seems the "Rules" don't apply to everyone.

So you've experienced it your self like I've from another self-proclaimed "I-know-it-all" copywriter. Hmmm.... interesting WELCOME BRO' we are sailing in the same boat.

Fact is once I've made enough friends from this forum & I'm making enough money, I'll NEVER come back again to the copywriting forum. I've been discouraged. Here's proof of it:

A very strange thread especially from
a complete and utter rookie.

?????

If you don't appreciate what I'm doing here for all of us, why posts something that doesn't make sense to you at all. Why are you wasting your time here?

This post is trying to show me someone who knows nothing about copywriting and downplay me in a public forum LOL. It's a personal (direct) comment from another "I-know-it-all" personality who often ruins threads than not. I did not ask what you think about me. Doesn't matter, hands down.. I will leave this copywriting forum one fine day. It's because of people like you we don't enjoy our stay here. Felt great posting idiotic comments? Enjoy! You made a great contribution posting invaluable comments.

And another one here:

Originally Posted by Metronicity

Who cares what YOU want.

No one really cares about each other in this forum. That's exactly why I'd keep away from this forum as soon as I get steady. I've no option but to do so. I'll be happy to posts in other parts of WF.

There are many other posts in this forum which are making direct personal comments at another individual. I think it's not done.

If anyone enters into an argument with me, I'll have to delete all the posts I've made on this thread as well as do something about thread breakers.

If you don't appreciate what I'm doing, why do you waste your precious time on this thread? You got no work to do? Get busy. Make some money. I'll stick to quality posting.

Another argument, I'll have to invite the mods. If you've anything to say about me or my posting, PM me.

It's a fun thread so keep it light. Show some appreciation for those who've helped you. It's time we made all copywriters, who spent considerable time in this forum by helping you & others, feel special.

There is this guy called "Andrew Gould", a fellow warrior, who helped me like anything with a critique of my sales copy. He spent considerable time so 3 cheers to him as well.

Keep voting!

Enjoy!

[Ronak Shah]

Originally Posted by Jack Bastide

I think we should have the "Dale Carnegie Award" for
the person who most closely follows the principles of
"How To Win Friends and Influence People"

I nominate Metrocity

Can I get A 2nd on that?

Jack

This is exactly what I'm trying to invoke here from opening this thread Jack.

That book is just what people need to read.

You got me hands down at what I'm doing here. That is very encouraging and motivating. Jack, thanks a ton.

I want people to realize the importance of what can happen if everyone plays "motivator".

Thanks a lot Jack for that awe inspiring posts.

[Ronak Shah]

I'd rather ignore what you just said Paul. Doesn't make any sense to me.

I want things to be better. You just don't really see it from my angle (POV).

Your post doesn't add any value to the thread.

It's off-topic and senseless.

Dislike the idea? Ignore it. Why make senseless personal remarks that show what kind of person you are?

Spend quality time. That's better.

P.S. I never had a war with the forum neither anyone got banned. Your imagination is really going too far. If I want to learn how to waste time, I can learn from you. See how many posts you've on this thread that add no value. IGNORE.

P.P.S There are people like Jack and Mike Humphrey's who liked this thread. Mike said "this is a creative thread". Have fun!

[WD Mino]

Whoa Ronak you need to slow down there boy.

You can't just start going after Paul he is right in what he said.... your character is what is showing through. you have some top notch pros in here that are getting upset and your not helping anything by being this way . Paul is a good guy and offers and contributes a hell of a lot as does metro mark mike None of these fellows deserve to be pitted against each other for the sake of some title that does not exist.

You are not realizing that what you are doing is not bringing people together it is driving them apart even more the fact is Even though I disagree with going after one another constantly.

I completely disagree with this thread and the comments you are recently making concerning people who have proven themselves and their skills of which you have not.

I think you should stop trying to preach something you yourself are not doing. Paul hurt your feelings so you react and go after him. it is exactly what I said above.

You are a boy these are men show some respect and learn from them don't presume to talk down to them nor think you could walk one inch in their shoes. be wise my friend be wise and listen to me these fellows can help you or they can be of great influence over your not succeeding it is a small world people talk one day someone may ask hey you ever heard of a guy named Ronak he is supposed to be a copywriter anyone know him. what do you think the response would be. be wise man.
-WD

[Ronak Shah]

I found certain people to be unprofessional. There are a lot of people here with EGO issues.

I want this forum to be better than what it is.

It's my feeling. I wanted to improve the forum. And there are a lot of people who agree with me. John Taylor himself said it to be a serious matter.

I want only inspiration to be flowing within this forum. Looks like Paul and you (WDMino) are taking it the wrong way.

Paul had been long off my list. Paul is one reason why this thread is opened. It's my personal experience. I disliked Paul's personal comments in a public forum which is why I keep off from replying to his personal comments, arguments and berated judgments.

I'd enough. I'd rather stop here. WDMino, I think you really don't understand what I'm doing here.

I really think I'd delete all my posts. No point thinking of getting to know the best copywriter in the warrior forum. And getting inspired. Yeah!!!

If you dislike the thread, why don't you ignore it? Nobody is forcing you to get involved. Stick to quality posting rather than mess around with a thread.

I am enjoying the idea. I like it. You don't like it, keep away.

It's a fun thing to do this here.

[The Copy Nazi]

Look...it's like this. If you're going to have Moderators here let them be even-handed/fair/consistent - as much as that is humanly possible in any moderation. On the other hand, if the forum is going to be self-moderated, let the members pull others in to line. It doesn't have to be a fascist state. It can still be lively and fun. But really...some of the personal comments are well out of hand. Far as I'm concerned, John Taylor gave everyone a dressing-down last time this happened (I felt like I was back in high school facing the Headmaster) and he stepped in the other day to ask for nasty and personal comments to be deleted. Didn't happen. So here we are again. I don't feel like playing in this sand-pit much longer. Think I'll hand in my Mickey Mouse Club badge.

[WD Mino]

Rok What you need is a little something called integrity. and some respect to go with it. you can justify this thing whatever way you inspiration indeed . here is some advice my Dad always said it is better to be QUIET and let people think your a fool then open your mouth and prove them right. you could gain an awful lot from that. This thread will be deleted soon.
-WD

[Ronak Shah]

This is exactly why I say you're a fine guy! EXACTLY! I mean every word of it Metro'

I got my eyes wet! You're a GEM! Awesome !

[Ronak Shah]

Look, WDMino...

If you don't like the thread just ignore the thread..

Why are you playing spoilsport?

I like the idea! What's the problem with you?

Why do you want act like I-know-better-than-you?

This is a FUN thread. It requires maturity to understand why I opened this thread.

You haven't been bashed up with personal comments like me and Metro'. There are so many people who feel what I feel. If you want to know what I feel about Paul, PM me. Look take this no further...

Why don't you let us all enjoy? You're making a fool out of your self by playing spoilsport! This is a fun thread, not an official award. Let people feel appreciated. What's your problem dude?

Another argument and I'm off from here. (This is exactly why I dislike posting here often than not).

[Ronak Shah]

Originally Posted by Paul McQuillan

Ego? Luckily you don't have one

Careful on speaking for John. I really don't think he would like
to be dragged into this garbage.

John did not agree with you, he has been sick and tired of this stuff
for months and stated it many times. He agreed with you like
agreeing that the sky is blue. It's obvious this forum is screwed up
and you my friend participate in the screwyness.

Quit justifying everything. The last time you tried this it did not
work out so well.

This will likely end up locked very shortly (thankfully). Hopefully we
can just move on.

What you wrote just now is proof that you can't keep off arguing.

So, I'd better watch a movie. Take a nap. Than talk with you.

I'm wasting my time even thinking of someone who was long ago off my list.

If you want to be professional, don't make personal comments else keep away.

And about getting this thread locked up, I'd rather get it deleted after reading all the stuff you wrote. Listen up.. you were off my lists long ago for making personal comments. So keep off!

I am not forcing you to contribute to this thread.

You're deviating the purpose of this thread.

Another posts or argument, I will delete all my posts starting from the top. I will have to. If that is what you want.... PAUL!

[WD Mino]

Hmmm apparently Dad knew what he was talkin about you just don't know when to stop at all.
sad state this is
-WD

[Ronak Shah]

Originally Posted by WD Mino

Hmmm apparently Dad knew what he was talkin about you just don't know when to stop at all.
sad state this is
-WD

I wonder why people can't STOP enforcing their opinions on other people!

Can't stop laughing at your comment! Yes, you don't know when to stop.

I want to enjoy this place the way I think is best.

Remember 3 laws of the book" How To Win Friends & Influence People" by Dale Carnegie!

Never criticize, condemn or complain.

You're doing all 3 right now. You're destroying the thread as well.

Did I ask you what I "should" do? Why don't go make some money?

:

Enjoy the new Year!

[Mike Linley]

why hasnt this thread been deleted...not a good thread at all!

[The Copy Nazi]

Originally Posted by ronakshah

Remember 3 laws of the book" How To Win Friends & Influence People" by Dale Carnegie!

That book was first published 74 years so it's a bit off the pace now. But there are some interesting things in it. Worth running here I think -



The book has six major sections. The core principles of each section are quoted below.
Fundamental Techniques in Handling People

1. Don't criticize, condemn or complain.
2. Give honest and sincere appreciation.
3. Arouse in the other person an eager want.

Six Ways to Make People Like You

1. Become genuinely interested in other people.
2. Smile.
3. Remember that a man's Name is to him the sweetest and most important sound in any language.
4. Be a good listener. Encourage others to talk about themselves.
5. Talk in the terms of the other man's interest.
6. Make the other person feel important and do it sincerely.

Twelve Ways to Win People to Your Way of Thinking

1. Avoid arguments.
2. Show respect for the other person's opinions. Never tell someone they are wrong.
3. If you're wrong, admit it quickly and emphatically.
4. Begin in a friendly way.
5. Start with questions the other person will answer yes to.
6. Let the other person do the talking.
7. Let the other person feel the idea is his/hers.
8. Try honestly to see things from the other person's point of view.
9. Sympathize with the other person.
10. Appeal to noble motives.
11. Dramatize your ideas.
12. Throw down a challenge.

Be a Leader: How to Change People Without Giving Offense or Arousing Resentment

1. Begin with praise and honest appreciation.
2. Call attention to other people's mistakes indirectly.
3. Talk about your own mistakes first.
4. Ask questions instead of directly giving orders.
5. Let the other person save face.
6. Praise every improvement.
7. Give them a fine reputation to live up to.
8. Encourage them by making their faults seem easy to correct.
9. Make the other person happy about doing what you suggest.

The last two sections were included in the original 1936 edition but omitted from the revised 1981 edition.
Letters That Produced Miraculous Results

Eight Rules For Making your Home Life Happier

1. Don't nag.
2. Don't try to make your partner over.
3. Don't criticize.
4. Give honest appreciation.
5. Pay little attentions.
6. Be courteous.
7. Read a good book on the sexual side of marriage.
8. Listen carefully to what your partner says and make him/her feel important about what he/she says

Campers: Don't forget #7