W....T....F?

[Nick Brighton]

Hey guys, you seen this dude?

Commission Crusher - Triple Threat Commission Cloning System

What do you think about this style of copy... and this overall piece in general? I know it looks very similar to the usual blind copy launch products, which it is, but obviously even more outrageous than ever before.

Right now, I'm cringing. But after the first 10 minutes, the video pitch does get a lot stronger (when he starts talking about the elite groups in private forums etc.)

But then it falls on its' asse, then it picks back up, etc. All over the place, and still using the same "stolen secrets from the gurus" story, but definitely in a new style.

I don't know whether to clap, laugh, cringe or cry at this. He's certainly taking a risk, I'll give him that much.

Thoughts?

[amenwolf]

seems to be targeted towards the .. "Generation X" the rebellious age.

[falco]

I haven't liked this sales page because:

1. These images looks as 100% fake or even taken from Google images:

http://digm.s3.amazonaws.com/images/lifestyle1.jpg

http://digm.s3.amazonaws.com/images/lifestyle2.jpg

2. Too much highlighted headings and "just look, how cool I am" style writings.

3. Statements don't have personal feeling, so anyone, who knows at least a bit about of IM will feel uncomfortable.

[Rezbi]

I'm probably not the target market: I clicked off immediately.

Originally Posted by Nick Brighton

Hey guys, you seen this dude?

Commission Crusher - Triple Threat Commission Cloning System

What do you think about this style of copy... and this overall piece in general? I know it looks very similar to the usual blind copy launch products, which it is, but obviously even more outrageous than ever before.

Right now, I'm cringing. But after the first 10 minutes, the video pitch does get a lot stronger (when he starts talking about the elite groups in private forums etc.)

But then it falls on its' asse, then it picks back up, etc. All over the place, and still using the same "stolen secrets from the gurus" story, but definitely in a new style.

I don't know whether to clap, laugh, cringe or cry at this. He's certainly taking a risk, I'll give him that much.

Thoughts?

Despite all that, did you stick with it out of curiosity as a copywriter, or did something keep you there?

If it's the latter, then job done. You just need to click the buy button.

[ARSuarez]

Originally Posted by Rezbi

Despite all that, did you stick with it out of curiosity as a copywriter, or did something keep you there?

If it's the latter, then job done. You just need to click the buy button.

Exactly.

There's the question in copywriting: is it making money?

Best,

Angel

[Nick Brighton]

Originally Posted by Rezbi

I'm probably not the target market: I clicked off immediately.

Despite all that, did you stick with it out of curiosity as a copywriter, or did something keep you there?

If it's the latter, then job done. You just need to click the buy button.

As a copywriter. I'm not the target audience. I was basically posting this in terms of a copywriting perspective, not a review

Originally Posted by Ross James

I... Steve A-Hole

I'm ALL you've got going for you...

OK buddy...

What a pathetic attempt...

W...T...F is right

Lol. I know, there are parts where he goes crazy with insults and patronizing talk.

But apparently, it's working.

[Dexx]

I wonder what software he used for the video? Doesn't seem like Powerpoint or Keynote...hrmm...

~Dexx

[Ross James]

Originally Posted by Dexx

I wonder what software he used for the video? Doesn't seem like Powerpoint or Keynote...hrmm...

~Dexx

Adobe After Effects

[Ken_Caudill]

The announcer's voice reminds me of kids I used to beat up in high school. I couldn''t finish it.

What's he pitching, media buys?

[mshawn]

Ok, I admit it. I bit. I purchased the 'package'. 1/3 of what I bought is called the commission worm.
I would have to call this about as close to being an exact copy of Massive Passive Profits as it could come....
THANK you clickbank for your easy return policy.
One down, 2 to go.
Yes, his OVER THE TOP sales method is a little much. So many people bashing so many "GURUS". What an incestuous relationship. I'm so sick of this sh*t .
Steve tells us all about ' those other mean, greedy, don't care about you' gurus.
Not a good start, but I'm going to try and separate this and continue with the other items.

CLICKBANK is your friend.

[Alan Petersen]

I lasted about a minute. Funny how he blasts ClickBank and he's selling it on... ClickBank.

From what I saw looks like the Rich Jerk approach. "You don't deserve to be here"... "you're a loser" type pitch.

[mshawn]

Originally Posted by Alan Petersen

I lasted about a minute. Funny how he blasts ClickBank and he's selling it on... ClickBank.

From what I saw looks like the Rich Jerk approach. "You don't deserve to be here"... "you're a loser" type pitch.

Yes, I know... I'm ashamed of myself.
Stay tuned for a the follow up. I have dedicated my Saturday to 'studying' THE commission crusher...

(yeah, no life either....)

[Dougger1]

I found it a bit offensive - over-the-top - and roo high on the hype meter. I suppose that if it sells, it's good copy. However, IMHO I wonder who would buy it besides total newbs. I also wonder what the refund rate will be.

[Ross James]

Originally Posted by mshawn

Yes, I know... I'm ashamed of myself.
Stay tuned for a the follow up. I have dedicated my Saturday to 'studying' THE commission crusher...

(yeah, no life either....)

Stop... With that crap. No life? Did you really let this guy get in your head? You have a life and you're trying to improve it...

There are a lot of really good products out there. I can't say if this one is or isn't I just didn't like the angle of the copy.

If you are new the best thing you could do...straight away... is read this forum.. You'll find so much useful information here.

Best of luck,

Ross

[Bruce Wedding]

Hmmm, tough one to crit for me. Steve's a good friend of mine; crazy kid and he really IS making the money he talks about in the video. He's a good guy with a big heart. Maybe that's why this takeaway selling seems disingenuous; he loves to help people. His success came from modeling success personally and technically. It works.

Random thoughts:

Its incongruous to bash clickbank while selling a clickbank product and using clickbank income proofs.

Interesting pitch. I don't think Steve used his usual copywriter for this one.

The takeaway selling isn't done as well as it could be, too insulting and too early.

He should have gotten a voice artist for the video.

I actually like the graphic layout of the page, I like the way the video is done. It's very slick but there's too much highlighting and the subheads are too damn big.

I stole the background image pattern

I think it will sell well.

[mshawn]

Originally Posted by Ross James

Stop... With that crap. No life? Did you really let this guy get in your head? You have a life and you're trying to improve it...

There are a lot of really good products out there. I can't say if this one is or isn't I just didn't like the angle of the copy.

If you are new the best thing you could do...straight away... is read this forum.. You'll find so much useful information here.

Best of luck,

Ross

LOL!
Ok, I was kidding...
I have bought a couple of very good programs through Warrior Forum.
As for Commission Crusher, so far I can say his Ad Assault PRO software program is very interesting but all the info it gathers is readily available elsewhere. You would have to put a value on having it all in one location quickly.
I really do have to plug Clickbank here. I have no qualms about returning products anymore.

[travlinguy]

I didn't click the vid but the copy is bold and brash and hypy. Not my cup of tea but perfect for the skateboard generation... and there are plenty of them out there looking for stuff that 'takes no effort...' etc. Again, an excellent piece for the target market, imo.

[Matt James]

This is great copy, like it or not. No.1 in Clickbank right now.

This stuff is PERFECT for the target market.

[Elmar]

Some or the statements in the sales letter are just hilarious.
"I had to bribe security at their events to get it"
"These were not men they were gods!"
And it seems he got all the secrets to making money on line at a club stalking these gods while they were being chased by super models.

Such copy is an insult to anyone with a bit of intelligence , totally for newbies.

[Alex Cohen]

Originally Posted by Nick Brighton

I don't know whether to clap, laugh, cringe or cry at this. He's certainly taking a risk, I'll give him that much.

Thoughts?

Nick, that's the way the "game is played" is the niche. Like it or not, it works.

Originally Posted by Matt James

This is great copy, like it or not. No.1 in Clickbank right now.

This stuff is PERFECT for the target market.

Matt, just guessing, but it's probably "riding high" with JV traffic right now.

Alex

[WikiWarrior]

I lasted about 7 minutes. I get the impression this guy is getting ready to take his wild story to Hollywood and make the next "The Social Network".

It makes me wonder though, as I'm looking to create my first info product soon. Is it more profitable to go down the route of making a solid, useful, product for a small market, or set the stage to make a paint-by-numbers, get-rich-quick "popcorn product" for the masses?

[Elmar]

I joined just to see what its about. In the first video he shows you how to join clickbank, thats after basing clickbank in the first few seconds of the sales letter. I guess this is the nature of IM, no growth without hype and fake promises.

[JTzor]

Bruce - great info on your site man.
- JT

[Steven Carl Kelly]

I watched from beginning to end. I laughed out loud a number of times, and not in a good way. Based on a brief overview I got from someone who bought and returned the product, it doesn't live up to the hype and its all stuff that's available elsewhere.

[JTzor]

I really disliked the fact that the counter refreshes to 1hour 4 minutes every time ...

Furthermore, I usually go right for the "Affiliates Click Here" section 1st before the "Buy Now" button when Im contemplating making any "course/video" purchase.

I find the dude's intro video and his affiliate info quite contradictory - he basically tells you to forget everything most everyone else discusses with regard to IM or Niche Marketing and to follow his Commission Crusher program - then you go into the affiliate info and you see links for JVs, Affiliates, AND Clickbank.

Whether or not the guy is making a ton of money online or off, i have to say he does tell a good story. I like how he mentions Michael Bay and the "Texas Nine," or whatever the hell he calls them - sounds like it would make a good movie.

Just my 2 cents.

- JT

[Steven Carl Kelly]

Originally Posted by JTzor

I like how he mentions Michael Bay and the "Texas Nine," or whatever the hell he calls them - sounds like it would make a good movie.

"The Nine". There are only four of them. And apparently fatso Artie is their leader. Also, aliens are abducting humans and conducting experiments on... oh wait, sorry, that wasn't in his sales copy.

[Alex Cohen]

All you guys trashing the copy - you don't write copy for that niche, right?

Alex

[Bruce Wedding]

One look at the CB stats and interest tells you he's knocking it out of the park.

[Rezbi]

Just because people don't like it doesn't make it bad copy. It just means they're not the market he's aiming at.

[Bruce Wedding]

I talked to Steve a while ago and all I will say is, the thing is converting like gangbusters. He's very pleased.

[OnlineMasterMind]

Originally Posted by mshawn

Yes, his OVER THE TOP sales method is a little much. So many people bashing so many "GURUS". What an incestuous relationship.

Uh... maybe you forgot: you bought it.

People like you are precisely why that salespage exists.

[BIZNEBIZ]

Originally Posted by Bruce Wedding

One look at the CB stats and interest tells you he's knocking it out of the park.

Yes, because of the Software (Screenshot - Not affiliate)

Here is how to use it: Link (Not affiliate)

Grav: 747.67 Not only because of a sales letter architecture...

The sale letter is for newbies...

Sells because it has added value and this "idea" was sold before the launch...

The idea is for half way full time IMs...

He killed two birds with one stone...

Regards

[Steven Carl Kelly]

FYI, the Ad Assault Pro app is sitting out on an open, non-password protected page. Not sure if that's the actual product's home or it was somehow ripped and posted publicly. I had no idea that "Ad Assault Pro" was the "Commission Crusher" product, but now that I see the screenshot, I remembered that I'd seen it before.

[scrofford]

I think the letter is crap and unbelievable. Just another scammy letter targeting newbies for their cash. That's all I have to say about it.

[ASCW]

I clicked the link and immediately I hear.

"You don't even deserve to be on this page."

Then I clicked away.

I must have low self-esteem.

-------------

I am very curious as to how well this thing actually converts.

[jasonthewebmaster]

I bought this course and reviewed it in this thread here:
http://www.warriorforum.com/internet...you-heard.html

Originally Posted by Nick Brighton

Hey guys, you seen this dude?

Commission Crusher - Triple Threat Commission Cloning System

What do you think about this style of copy... and this overall piece in general? I know it looks very similar to the usual blind copy launch products, which it is, but obviously even more outrageous than ever before.

Right now, I'm cringing. But after the first 10 minutes, the video pitch does get a lot stronger (when he starts talking about the elite groups in private forums etc.)

But then it falls on its' asse, then it picks back up, etc. All over the place, and still using the same "stolen secrets from the gurus" story, but definitely in a new style.

I don't know whether to clap, laugh, cringe or cry at this. He's certainly taking a risk, I'll give him that much.

Thoughts?

[scrofford]

Originally Posted by ASCW

I clicked the link and immediately I hear.

"You don't even deserve to be on this page."

Then I clicked away.

I must have low self-esteem.

-------------

I am very curious as to how well this thing actually converts.

LOL! I didn't even think of that one! Starting off with a negative isn't good!

[MikeHumphreys]

Originally Posted by Bruce Wedding

Hmmm, tough one to crit for me. Steve's a good friend of mine; crazy kid and he really IS making the money he talks about in the video. He's a good guy with a big heart.

I agree 100%.

I still remember our cheesesteak run a few years ago with Steve and Brian McElroy.

Interesting pitch. I don't think Steve used his usual copywriter for this one.

It wasn't his usual copywriter who wrote it.

My guess is because his usual copywriter has his own product launch coming up in the next month.

[Alan Petersen]

Originally Posted by Bruce Wedding

One look at the CB stats and interest tells you he's knocking it out of the park.

Does that mean he's about to sell the max number of copies (500) as promised in the sales page?

[Nick Brighton]

Originally Posted by Alan Petersen

I lasted about a minute. Funny how he blasts ClickBank and he's selling it on... ClickBank.

From what I saw looks like the Rich Jerk approach. "You don't deserve to be here"... "you're a loser" type pitch.

Yep, a lot of incongruence and flat out contradictions going on, but it doesn't seem to matter.

Originally Posted by Dougger1

I found it a bit offensive - over-the-top - and roo high on the hype meter. I suppose that if it sells, it's good copy. However, IMHO I wonder who would buy it besides total newbs. I also wonder what the refund rate will be.

There's at least one person in this very thread that both bought it and refunded it, if that helps. (see above)

Originally Posted by Bruce Wedding

Random thoughts:

Its incongruous to bash clickbank while selling a clickbank product and using clickbank income proofs.

Interesting pitch. I don't think Steve used his usual copywriter for this one.

The takeaway selling isn't done as well as it could be, too insulting and too early.

He should have gotten a voice artist for the video.

I actually like the graphic layout of the page, I like the way the video is done. It's very slick but there's too much highlighting and the subheads are too damn big.

I stole the background image pattern

I think it will sell well.

Awesome insights Bruce, I love how you can remain impartial, without saying "I'm not the market, so I think it's crap" kind of responses I'm seeing elsewhere.

Originally Posted by Alex Cohen

All you guys trashing the copy - you don't write copy for that niche, right?

Alex

I think the problem is Alex, a lot of people are trashing it because they're getting sucked into becoming a prospect, instead of a critical, impartial copywriter who is looking to discuss the copy.

I guess that speaks volumes for the copy. Even though you're not the target market, you're sucked into the sales process and quickly forgetting why you're there.

Originally Posted by Bruce Wedding

One look at the CB stats and interest tells you he's knocking it out of the park.

According to my sources, it's killing it. Problem is, the conv rates aren't made public. So it could just be churning through volume.

Originally Posted by Rezbi

Just because people don't like it doesn't make it bad copy. It just means they're not the market he's aiming at.

Finally!

Originally Posted by Bruce Wedding

I talked to Steve a while ago and all I will say is, the thing is converting like gangbusters. He's very pleased.

There we go. Says it all.

Before I heard this, I honestly didn't know either way, apart from a source telling me that it was "crushing it."

But that doesn't usually mean much. Conversion rates are more telling of an effective ad.

What I find interesting is that despite the incongruence and contradictions... despite the massively long video... despite the outrageous claims... it seems to be working.

Are the buyers naive, gullible, desperate, or just plain dumb? They must be, right?

Well, not exactly.

First of all, you don't know whether the product delivers on the promises made or not, so a buyer isn't dumb for believing in the copy, if the product does what it says... right?

Secondly, I'm not the smartest guy in the world, but I do consider myself to be of a respectable level of intelligence.

Now, just a few years ago, you would have found me buying scammy little products every week, from websites that were two pages long and with no real substance in the sales pitch.

Why did I buy then? Because they made a big promise, showed proof, and I was desperate for answers.

In the years gone by, I have learned a staggering number of things about this business, what really goes on, how to sell, how to create products, how to market in all kinds of ways... and so on.

So, I can look back at the days where I was lapping up the get rich quick products, and see the error of my ways.

I don't regret it, because that's kinda how I got into the real business of making money online.

It's kinda like applying for a customer service job, not winning it, then being asked to come back a few years later as the company director.

(terrible analogy, but it's Sunday morning, and coffee isn't helping.)

So my point is...

It doesn't matter if you're not your market. What matters is having the ability to know your market... and I mean, really understand who they are and what they're going through physically and mentally.

If you're writing copy for this guy, as a copywriter, it would be an advantage to have been in your target market's shoes, despite graduating to pastures new.

And as that applies to me, I can see exactly why this type of copy would work. Heck, it's 250 times better than the **** copy I bought from just a while back.

And you know what? I drooled over the Rich Jerk stuff. It was bloody genius. Today, I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole... because I'm out of that market.

Is the product any good? Dunno. Are the claims totally false? Dunno.

This was never meant to be a thread about bashing the product or the owner, rather an impartial critique at the COPY.

And that intention seems to have divided the copywriters from the consumers, in this case.

[Nathan Alexander]

Oddly enough, what I'm loving and strangely fascinated by, is the design elements of the head and sub-heads.

Nothing new, sure. But the combo of the drop shadow(?) of the highlighted words and the grey text...I don't know...call me an easy target, but I think it looks great. And it totally reminds me of the design format of the Cosmo and Men's Health headlines right up to the paint-brush ends of the highlighter. (And those magazines' headlines work obviously.)

That font...anyone know? Appears "simple and standard" but darn if that design doesn't work on me.

[Nick Brighton]

Originally Posted by Nathan Alexander

Oddly enough, what I'm loving and strangely fascinated by, is the design elements of the head and sub-heads.

Nothing new, sure. But the combo of the drop shadow(?) of the highlighted words and the grey text...I don't know...call me an easy target, but I think it looks great. And it totally reminds me of the design format of the Cosmo and Men's Health headlines right up to the paint-brush ends of the highlighter. (And those magazines' headlines work obviously.)

That font...anyone know? Appears "simple and standard" but darn if that design doesn't work on me.

If Woody Allen said "90% of success is simply showing up" then I'll add that "the other 10% is to show up wearing a different suit than the other guy."

[Nathan Alexander]

Originally Posted by Nick Brighton

If Woody Allen said "90% of success is simply showing up" then I'll add that "the other 10% is to show up wearing a different suit than the other guy."

Maybe it's early, but I'm not sure if I'm being made fun of.... (Of course my wife just asked me, "how long do you have to wear that shirt before you win the bet?" so I'm feeling kind of sensitive.)

[Nick Brighton]

Originally Posted by Nathan Alexander

Maybe it's early, but I'm not sure if I'm being made fun of.... (Of course my wife just asked me, "how long do you have to wear that shirt before you win the bet?" so I'm feeling kind of sensitive.)

Not sure what you mean Nathan? Me thinks you need an extra hour in bed

I was using a metaphor about looking different to everyone else (wearing a different suit = having a different design)

[Steven Carl Kelly]

Originally Posted by Nick Brighton

Yep, a lot of incongruence and flat out contradictions going on, but it doesn't seem to matter.

It may not matter to him, but it would certainly matter to me.

[Nick Brighton]

Originally Posted by Steven Carl Kelly

It may not matter to him, but it would certainly matter to me.

Yeah, me too. But not to the hundreds of people buying, apparently.

It goes back to the old experience thing. At a higher level, you tend to look for these things. But most people don't connect the dots, or question the little things, and therefore they slip past undetected.

[kangen]

Originally Posted by mshawn

Ok, I admit it. I bit. I purchased the 'package'. 1/3 of what I bought is called the commission worm.
I would have to call this about as close to being an exact copy of Massive Passive Profits as it could come....
THANK you clickbank for your easy return policy.
One down, 2 to go.
Yes, his OVER THE TOP sales method is a little much. So many people bashing so many "GURUS". What an incestuous relationship. I'm so sick of this sh*t .
Steve tells us all about ' those other mean, greedy, don't care about you' gurus.
Not a good start, but I'm going to try and separate this and continue with the other items.

CLICKBANK is your friend.

true said, i was going to say that too, i agree

[Ross James]

Staggering numbers. In only a few days. Look at this chart... The copy is a winner. I just received it in the wrong frame...Congratulations.

[Ken_Caudill]

I am both amazed and amused by the IM niche.

YouTube - It's the Great Pumpkin Charlie Brown -...

[Nick Brighton]

Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill

I am both amazed and amused by the IM niche.

I don't even think this is IM anymore. The lines between IM and bizz opp are blurred more and more every launch.

I'm willing to bet that by and large, it's not marketers that are buying these products. It's broke, lazy kids instead.