So Random. You never know who you will meet in a cafe

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Hi guys. I could use some guidance here.

I like to hang in a cafe where many freelancers like to hang out.

I strike up small talk with a guy at my table. Turns out he runs a domain in the guitar tuning niche.

He has a world alexa ranking of 99,000, 46,000 in the U.S.

He say's he gets 1500 unique visitors a day.

He also say's he lives modestly off the adsense revenue.

I said, "You don't have a product?"

Turns out he hasn't even thought about it. But he's interested in 'partnering' and working on something with me, since I'm a writer and budding copywriter.

I proposed an ebook.

Now, this guy is smart. I saw his programming. He knows programming and really knows his niche.

He doesn't have money to pay me.

But I figure, this is a great opportunity to create a product. 99,000 means lots of traffic right? I'm sure we could sell them something.

So...do I do this strictly off a 50% commission? Is it difficult to get that type of traffic? It's good isn't it?

If you google, "How to tune a guitar," he is number one. So it seems like a good opportunity.
#cafe #meet #random
  • Profile picture of the author maximus242
    go for it youve got very little to lose and could become an income stream.

    Heres a piece of advice though, make videos instead of an ebook.
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  • Profile picture of the author MrPolarZero
    yeah, that seems to be a good idea and a great opportunity for the both of you
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    • Profile picture of the author Alex Cohen
      Building a business strictly on SEO isn't a good long-term strategy for success.

      What happens if the site loses its #1 ranking?

      Unless one of you two has money to buy traffic, all your hard work will go down the drain.

      Alex
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      • Profile picture of the author Sebastion
        I don't know about that stuff yet. This guy knows more about web development than marketing. So that would be up to both of us to figure out.

        How do I figure out what that market is currently buying?

        Click Bank?
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  • Profile picture of the author maximus242
    you just buy traffic then. he'll of made enough money and had enough traffic to test that he will have a page that converts and can buy traffic profitably. Plus he can build a list for free
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    • Profile picture of the author Alex Cohen
      Originally Posted by maximus242 View Post

      you just buy traffic then. he'll of made enough money and had enough traffic to test that he will have a page that converts and can buy traffic profitably. Plus he can build a list for free
      You're assuming they lose their #1 ranking AFTER they've produced the product and been in business for a while. What if it happens BEFORE they launch?

      Alex
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      • Profile picture of the author maximus242
        Originally Posted by Alex Cohen View Post

        You're assuming they lose their #1 ranking AFTER they've produced the product and been in business for a while. What if it happens BEFORE they launch?

        Alex
        Welcome to the business world.

        "Ive always been willing to take a bigger portion of the risk for a bigger reward."

        -Sir Richard Branson, Billionaire
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        • Profile picture of the author Alex Cohen
          Originally Posted by maximus242 View Post

          Welcome to the business world.

          "Ive always been willing to take a bigger portion of the risk for a bigger reward."

          -Sir Richard Branson, Billionaire
          You can be sure he only takes calculated risks.

          Given Google's proven track record of changing their search algorithm without notice, this is a risk not worth taking.

          Alex
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  • Profile picture of the author maximus242
    You should go down to a guitar store, ask people, see whats on the shelves, ask the clerks what books sell the most.
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    • Profile picture of the author Sebastion
      Yeah I'm gonna start researching.

      Also figure we should sell an amazon product. I'm thinking guitar tuner.

      Now here's a question.

      Do I need a contract? Or go by my manly word?
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      • Profile picture of the author Pusateri
        You do need something in writing, if for no other reason than memory is fallible. A couple months down the road you will both recall certain things differently than they actually happened.

        If you want to keep it informal, just hand write a "memo of understanding" together on a legal pad. Then you will both be on the same page, literally, going forward.
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        • Profile picture of the author RickDuris
          Sebastion,

          It's nice to someone poised to jump on opportunity.

          1. To compete you want to do videos. Not an eBook. Although an eBook can complement the videos.

          For instance, go out to YouTube and search for "how to tune a guitar". Do broad and exact matches. Look at how many videos there are on each. Watch a few. It will get your creative juices flowing.


          2. Your challenge is NOT the creation of the product, it's the copy that will matter. You have to speak as a musician.


          3. You could do some content about different types of guitar tunings. Assuming the website owner is smart about all sorts of guitar tunings, you could develop a reference guide or training about different ones.

          There are many. Learning guitar is also a hot market. You could focus on the copy and he could focus on the product.

          If you do not know how to play guitar already, I would not attempt to write the content yourself. Have your partner do it. If he knows how, you could pull a product together in a few of days.


          4. There is a market for eclectic tunings. You could also include rather popular songs that go a long with them. Joni Mitchell has used more than 50 of them. Dylan, Leo Kotke, John Fahey, lots of blues musicians use them.


          5. One offshoot is an iPhone app which will help you tune your guitar. Or even create new tunings and save them. There are a couple free standard tuning apps already on iPhone, they can be improved. Maybe offer up a sample lick or riff using each tuning. Something that would pique a person's ear and drive them to your offer.


          6. If he wants you to do everything (content and copy), I'd walk away if you don't know how to play or find someone to help you. If he can participate doing the content, do whatever split you think is fair. But you have to stick with the project until it starts converting. It might take a few attempts.


          7. Unique tunings are one of the most elusive of guitar playing and frustrating. Because musicians don't usually tell you how they tune their guitar before they play a song. it takes so long to dial a tuning in on stage.

          But if you gave people an app, and the basic tuning plus samples from videos online which feature that tuning, I could see it being something intriguing to a guitarist. Maybe put together a membership site which is always updated with songs/music using specific tunings.

          - Rick Duris
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        • Profile picture of the author D111
          Originally Posted by Pusateri View Post

          You do need something in writing, if for no other reason than memory is fallible. A couple months down the road you will both recall certain things differently than they actually happened.

          If you want to keep it informal, just hand write a "memo of understanding" together on a legal pad. Then you will both be on the same page, literally, going forward.

          Very good advice.

          "The palest ink is better than the best memory."

          -Chinese Proverb
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  • Profile picture of the author mjarel
    Every business has a portion of risk. I think its a great opportunity.GO FOR It.......
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  • Profile picture of the author sethczerepak
    Two things you could to: make a video/instructional product and make him an affiliate, 50/50 split.

    Second option, find an affiliate product and pay him a flat rate to place your link on the site.

    I'd go for the second option...
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  • Profile picture of the author Tony Tikos
    I would go for it, you really have nothing to lose and experience to gain by creating an e-Book. You should make sure you control the sale. The E-Book should be engaging, as in, he should create several videos to promote it. When his visitors see the site owner promoting the book, it gives the E-book more credibility because he already has rapport with his visitors.
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