copywriting is a lonely profession...

FuturePrinceofPrint · 02-28-2011, 05:58 AM

Well, I'm a copywriter and,to be honest, I'm kind of an introvert anyway... so... I feel sort of alone in the world [maybe you feel the same way]... Like no-one really gets what I'm doing or why I'm doing it. Of course, I'm talking about being a free lance copywriter and writing copy for my own products. Everyone in my Family thinks I'm nuts.... I kind of am haha... but I just thought it would be cool to meet some copywriters on here. Just to hang out with.

I don't want this to seem weird at all. I just thought there might be some cool people out there who kinda feel the same way I do because, either you havent made it yet [as a copywriter] and, people think your nuts.. or.. because people just think your crazy in general.

So hey, if you want someone cool you share something in common with [copywriting] then send me a private message. or just reply to the post. It would be awesome to get to know some like-minded people.

Elion Makkink · 02-28-2011, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by FuturePrinceofPrint

Well, I'm a copywriter and,to be honest, I'm kind of an introvert anyway... so... I feel sort of alone in the world [maybe you feel the same way]... Like no-one really gets what I'm doing or why I'm doing it. Of course, I'm talking about being a free lance copywriter and writing copy for my own products. Everyone in my Family thinks I'm nuts.... I kind of am haha... but I just thought it would be cool to meet some copywriters on here. Just to hang out with.

I don't want this to seem weird at all. I just thought there might be some cool people out there who kinda feel the same way I do because, either you havent made it yet [as a copywriter] and, people think your nuts.. or.. because people just think your crazy in general.

So hey, if you want someone cool you share something in common with [copywriting] then send me a private message. or just reply to the post. It would be awesome to get to know some like-minded people.

Why the hell would they think you're nuts (unless you really are :P)?
Copywriting is a serious job and could make the difference between a moderate company and a company that makes millions due to proper copy writing!

I'm getting better at copywriting myself but it's still very hard. Choosing the wrong words even once make a difference in sales.

FuturePrinceofPrint · 02-28-2011, 07:36 AM

Hahah. Dude, because I've gone competently insane over copy writing. I write/study for hours and hours.

Anyway, yeah.. you're right. It makes a huge difference in the bigger picture. Without good copy you don't get any customers... or... not very many. And, without customers you make no money. Simple but powerful.

So, how long have you been learning about copy and, what do you do? Internet marketing, your own thing or do you free lance?

arfasaira · 02-28-2011, 07:36 AM

Don't worry, my family doesn't get it either!

I do it because I cant afford childcare and stay at home with the kids - its a great way to earn money and I must admit, it is lonely, but i have some great online friends and besides, I find my own solitude best when working - which is why I often get up early morning before the kids are awake to work - so much more peace than in the evening when there is always someone or the other popping in.

But hey, it pays the bills and it's never been better for me, so even though its lonely, I can live with it.

John_S · 02-28-2011, 07:42 AM

Okay, exactly who told you to never go out and talk to a customer or get to know people?

Copywriting is in large part a people business. Human factors. Applied psychology. Sorry to break this to you, but a conversational tone is best achieved by a conversationalist.

Salesmanship in print. ...Have you ever met a sales person? Not exactly hermits we're talking about here.

Ross Bowring · 02-28-2011, 07:43 AM

There's no need to feel the loneliness of the long distance runner.

Reach out and build alliances with other copywriters. E-mail back 'n' forth... chat on Skype. Give constructive thoughts on each other's work.

Take that a step further and meet up with colleagues at seminars. Two recent events where a lot of copywriters got to hang were JV Alert Orlando and Carlton's Action Seminar in San Diego.

--- Ross

Ross James · 02-28-2011, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by FuturePrinceofPrint

Well, I'm a copywriter and,to be honest, I'm kind of an introvert anyway...

I'm looking for your positive intention behind this and I don't think your loneliness is due to you being a copywriter, I think it's because you feel comfortable or maybe work better in a more quiet, by yourself kind of environment.. Nothing wrong with it... you have the positive intent, you should look into meeting up with people on a regular basis.. when I worked in the corporate world we would go out for wings and beer every wednesday night.. it helped and I hope I have also

Wings, Beer and Sports!

Ross

Elion Makkink · 02-28-2011, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Ross James

I'm looking for your positive intention behind this and I don't think your loneliness is due to you being a copywriter, I think it's because you feel comfortable or maybe work better in a more quiet, by yourself kind of environment.. Nothing wrong with it... you have the positive intent, you should look into meeting up with people on a regular basis.. when I worked in the corporate world we would go out for wings and beer every wednesday night.. it helped and I hope I have also

Wings, Beer and Sports!

Ross

In addition, I would say don't live by the opinions of others! And yes, having friends or partners on the internet should really help you getting out of that 'lonely' feeling

Ross James · 02-28-2011, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Frank Abagnale

In addition, I would say don't live by the opinions of others! And yes, having friends or partners on the internet should really help you getting out of that 'lonely' feeling

I would also like to say: make friends offline as fast as possible.. there is a life outside of the internet. Then I would meet with them once a week... at a bar, maybe a coffee shop; whatever suits your needs, you could always try to work with other marketers in the area. They don't have to be copywriters.. You're the copywriter. network NOW

corycrabb · 02-28-2011, 10:11 AM

I think this feeling is normal you must understand that people that don't make a living online have no idea and really have a hard time relating to what we do. Point is ... Don't let it bother you so much .. its normal.

Ross James · 02-28-2011, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by corycrabb

... Don't let it bother you so much .. its normal.

Sure that's easy for us to do but for someone that isn't trying to create change, the territory is different.. but that's only maybe part of the outcome ... now what he has to do is find out the difference that makes a difference ... the black box between himself and the outcome he is looking for.

pickthat apple · 02-28-2011, 10:41 AM

FuturePrinceofPrint...

I think that you work too much! Aside from social relations, I think that it is indispensable to have a good idea of what there is on offer out there in terms of products, and how customers behave in front of a product and the sales assistant, the questions they ask, the comments etc.
I just wish I had more time for this kind of research (possibly from September) because I really think it is important.

I would love some exchange of opinions with some other website builders, but it is just that at the moment I have done so little that I don't think I am any good to anybody!

Rezbi · 02-28-2011, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by FuturePrinceofPrint

copywriting is a lonely profession...

Not if you're a schizophrenic, it's not.

Yes it is...

No it's not...

FuturePrinceofPrint · 02-28-2011, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by John_S

Okay, exactly who told you to never go out and talk to a customer or get to know people?

Copywriting is in large part a people business. Human factors. Applied psychology. Sorry to break this to you, but a conversational tone is best achieved by a conversationalist.

Salesmanship in print. ...Have you ever met a sales person? Not exactly hermits we're talking about here.

Thanks for the copywriting lesson John but, you just don't get it.

FuturePrinceofPrint · 02-28-2011, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Rezbi

Not if you're a schizophrenic, it's not.

Yes it is...

No it's not...

Hahah... Someone as crazy as I am... Maybe....

FuturePrinceofPrint · 02-28-2011, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Ross James

Sure that's easy for us to do but for someone that isn't trying to create change, the territory is different.. but that's only maybe part of the outcome ... now what he has to do is find out the difference that makes a difference ... the black box between himself and the outcome he is looking for.

You really do get it man.. That's what I was trying to get across. Thanks for understanding.

FuturePrinceofPrint · 02-28-2011, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by corycrabb

I think this feeling is normal you must understand that people that don't make a living online have no idea and really have a hard time relating to what we do. Point is ... Don't let it bother you so much .. its normal.

You're right Cory.. People just aren't gonna get it. It would just be cool to hang out with people who actually did get it.. You know what I mean?

FuturePrinceofPrint · 02-28-2011, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Ross Bowring

There's no need to feel the loneliness of the long distance runner.

Reach out and build alliances with other copywriters. E-mail back 'n' forth... chat on Skype. Give constructive thoughts on each other's work.

Take that a step further and meet up with colleagues at seminars. Two recent events where a lot of copywriters got to hang were JV Alert Orlando and Carlton's Action Seminar in San Diego.

--- Ross

Hey thanks Ross, You're absolutely right and this is what I was trying to do... Reach out to other copywriters through the warrior forum.

I knew about the Carlton seminar but, I never did hear about the JV Alert seminar. What's that all about?

MikeHumphreys · 02-28-2011, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by FuturePrinceofPrint

I knew about the Carlton seminar but, I never did hear about the JV Alert seminar. What's that all about?

The most recent one was in Orlando Feb 18-20th.

Ken McArthur's - jvAlert Live!

If you get on Ken's main JV Alert Live list (jvalertlive.com), then you'll get details about the next one in Washington DC in June when Ken sends them out.

MikeHumphreys · 02-28-2011, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by FuturePrinceofPrint

Well, I'm a copywriter and,to be honest, I'm kind of an introvert anyway... so... I feel sort of alone in the world [maybe you feel the same way]... Like no-one really gets what I'm doing or why I'm doing it. Of course, I'm talking about being a free lance copywriter and writing copy for my own products. Everyone in my Family thinks I'm nuts.... I kind of am haha... but I just thought it would be cool to meet some copywriters on here. Just to hang out with.

My family didn't know what to make of copywriting until I started showing them the type of money I was making writing copy. Now they're some of my biggest fans.

Like Ross said, start doing some networking and make some copywriting friends. It helps with the periodic cases of loneliness.

I'm married with 2 young kids so I treasure the quiet time in my office every day.

FuturePrinceofPrint · 03-01-2011, 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeHumphreys

My family didn't know what to make of copywriting until I started showing them the type of money I was making writing copy. Now they're some of my biggest fans.

Like Ross said, start doing some networking and make some copywriting friends. It helps with the periodic cases of loneliness.

I'm married with 2 young kids so I treasure the quiet time in my office every day.

Hey Mike, thanks for the post. You definitely hit the nail on the head... All I've gotta do is get results and then, my family won't think I'm so crazy. haha

I checked out the website you posted and, I had never heard Ken McArthur. Very interesting though. I saw your testimonial and I found myself wondering, how in the hell did you go from owning your own message therapy business to copywriting.. It seems like a huge leap. Maybe you wrote your own copy and sent it through the mail to get the business booming?

Anyway, like I said, thanks for the post.. I enjoyed it

MikeHumphreys · 03-01-2011, 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by FuturePrinceofPrint

I checked out the website you posted and, I had never heard Ken McArthur. Very interesting though. I saw your testimonial and I found myself wondering, how in the hell did you go from owning your own message therapy business to copywriting.. It seems like a huge leap. Maybe you wrote your own copy and sent it through the mail to get the business booming?

Anyway, like I said, thanks for the post.. I enjoyed it

Ken McArthur's been in the internet marketing niche for a long time. He's done JV Alert for quite a while.

I wrote all of the marketing and advertising (offline and online) for my massage therapy center... I also manage and trained the staff (7 therapists and 2 admin people) and even saw a full client load... 110+ hours/week for a lot of years.

Copywriting... I completely fell into the industry. You can get the abridged version of the story on my copywriting website.

Take care,

Mike

02-28-2011, 05:58 AM	#1
FuturePrinceofPrint Active Warrior Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Hendersonville, Tennessee Posts: 69 Thanks: 14 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	copywriting is a lonely profession... Well, I'm a copywriter and,to be honest, I'm kind of an introvert anyway... so... I feel sort of alone in the world [maybe you feel the same way]... Like no-one really gets what I'm doing or why I'm doing it. Of course, I'm talking about being a free lance copywriter and writing copy for my own products. Everyone in my Family thinks I'm nuts.... I kind of am haha... but I just thought it would be cool to meet some copywriters on here. Just to hang out with. I don't want this to seem weird at all. I just thought there might be some cool people out there who kinda feel the same way I do because, either you havent made it yet [as a copywriter] and, people think your nuts.. or.. because people just think your crazy in general. So hey, if you want someone cool you share something in common with [copywriting] then send me a private message. or just reply to the post. It would be awesome to get to know some like-minded people.

02-28-2011, 07:36 AM	#3
FuturePrinceofPrint Active Warrior Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Hendersonville, Tennessee Posts: 69 Thanks: 14 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: copywriting is a lonely profession... Hahah. Dude, because I've gone competently insane over copy writing. I write/study for hours and hours. Anyway, yeah.. you're right. It makes a huge difference in the bigger picture. Without good copy you don't get any customers... or... not very many. And, without customers you make no money. Simple but powerful. So, how long have you been learning about copy and, what do you do? Internet marketing, your own thing or do you free lance?

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arfasaira The Copy Magnet War Room Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: UK Posts: 480 Thanks: 669 Thanked 327 Times in 176 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: copywriting is a lonely profession... Don't worry, my family doesn't get it either! I do it because I cant afford childcare and stay at home with the kids - its a great way to earn money and I must admit, it is lonely, but i have some great online friends and besides, I find my own solitude best when working - which is why I often get up early morning before the kids are awake to work - so much more peace than in the evening when there is always someone or the other popping in. But hey, it pays the bills and it's never been better for me, so even though its lonely, I can live with it.
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pickthat apple HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: UK Posts: 112 Thanks: 14 Thanked 22 Times in 21 Posts Contact Info	Re: copywriting is a lonely profession... FuturePrinceofPrint... I think that you work too much! Aside from social relations, I think that it is indispensable to have a good idea of what there is on offer out there in terms of products, and how customers behave in front of a product and the sales assistant, the questions they ask, the comments etc. I just wish I had more time for this kind of research (possibly from September) because I really think it is important. I would love some exchange of opinions with some other website builders, but it is just that at the moment I have done so little that I don't think I am any good to anybody!