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Get FB Ads Free Copy - 'Fess Up - Who Wrote It?

by The Copy Nazi Banned
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Seen this? Get FB Ads Free I have a pretty good idea who wrote it. Would just like confirmation. But IMO this is Fraud. You seen the thread here on it? http://www.warriorforum.com/internet...-ads-free.html Seen what people are saying on the net? This is a stinker. The FTC would have a field day with this.

They start off by offering JV partners Win a $350k Rolls Royce Phantom For a Week" and it goes downhill rapidly from there. The JV prize isn't the car at all - it's a week's chauffeur-driven tour of Miami clubs in the thing. Talk about "misrepresentation".

The offer itself is promising software that will allow you to get facebook ads for free. Uh right. BS of course. They mean if you whack a CPA offer on a fanpage and it makes money your ad spend is zip. Entirely different beast - and again misrepresentation and fraud IMO. And the script is making FBML fan pages that will be replaced by iframes on March 11 anyway. What's up with that?

So I'd really like to know who the writers are on this. You man enough to put your hands up?

And let's not forget the BS scarcity tactic - "Only 500 will be sold". I've been refreshing the page for the last day and it's still reading "33 Downloads left". How dumb do you think people are? That dumb?

This kind of stuff is just going to terminally damage this industry.

UPDATE: now this is HILARIOUS. Google "get FB ads free" and the whole membership page is there. Wide open. Everything. The whole sorry package. PDFs, videos, access to the Upsells - the works. ROFLMAO Just look for the URL plus /membersaccess

Class act all round.
#ads #copy #fess #free #getfbadsfree #wrote
  • Profile picture of the author Rezbi
    I really hope that pile of BS wasn't written by any of the reputable writers on here.
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  • Profile picture of the author MontelloMarketing
    Actually written by the marketers themselves. No copywriter as far as I know.
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    Originally Posted by The Copy Nazi View Post


    UPDATE: now this is HILARIOUS. Google "get FB ads free" and the whole membership page is there. Wide open. Everything. The whole sorry package. PDFs, videos, access to the Upsells - the works. ROFLMAO Just look for the URL plus /membersaccess

    Class act all round.
    Even free is overpriced, I'll pass
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      You guys should do a search for the review of this program on Youtube. Very funny!
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  • Profile picture of the author Maruk
    That is absolutely fraud...I think. Isn't this about FBML tabs? Isn't FB switching to iFrames?
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    • Profile picture of the author The Copy Nazi
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      Originally Posted by Maruk View Post

      That is absolutely fraud...I think. Isn't this about FBML tabs? Isn't FB switching to iFrames?
      Yep - March 11. But apparently these guys are saying they'll update the software by then. Meanwhile a good third of the site is missing content - Vids/Forum/PDFs. You really got to wonder. One JV I spoke to said he made 100 sales on the first day and had 70% Refunds on the second.
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    product creator is Jani G he is member of wf
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    • Profile picture of the author The Copy Nazi
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      Originally Posted by Zesh View Post

      product creator is Jani G he is member of wf
      Thank you Zesh...we're all aware of that. I even linked to the review thread on it.
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    Anyone who buys that deserves to lose their money.

    That is my opinion.

    That's not even good hyped up biz opp copy that should warrant any type of genuine curiosity.

    Truthfully, this doesn't even belong in the "copywriting" forum.

    The copy is awful actually.

    This is just an example of desperate insecure people with no common sense engaging in a relationship with a scam artist.

    It's like if you were to see someone buying crack... dissecting the situation in a logical way is pointless and offers no resolution...
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  • Profile picture of the author antoncipri
    What happened to the other thread about this product? Why was it removed from the Forum does anyone know the truth about this?

    I love the Warrior Forum, I would hate to think that this got political among the people who were promoting this and they gave in to pressure to remove it.
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    • Profile picture of the author The Copy Nazi
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      Originally Posted by antoncipri View Post

      What happened to the other thread about this product? Why was it removed from the Forum does anyone know the truth about this?

      I love the Warrior Forum, I would hate to think that this got political among the people who were promoting this and they gave in to pressure to remove it.
      Whenever a thread starts to get down and dirty, they nuke it. But yes - pity it disappeared. It's still in Google cache if you're interested.

      Meanwhile those clowns have still left the back door open for anyone to walk in and steal their product. How funny is that. BTW the welcome message starts with JaniG claiming they have a last-minute bonus that cost them $2k and is only available to the first 15 to take advantage of it. Again - those 15 copies have been available for days. LOL
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  • Profile picture of the author weihoung
    I have already unsubscribed from a slew of mailing lists as a result of the promotion of this product. Was always taught by the "gurus" to promote quality products to your list so as to maintain the loyalty of your list....ironically some of the ones I've unsubscribed from were some of the ones who talked about that very same advice on list management.
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    • Profile picture of the author The Copy Nazi
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      Originally Posted by weihoung View Post

      I have already unsubscribed from a slew of mailing lists as a result of the promotion of this product. Was always taught by the "gurus" to promote quality products to your list so as to maintain the loyalty of your list....ironically some of the ones I've unsubscribed from were some of the ones who talked about that very same advice on list management.
      Then you'd be interested in this video from janiG - "How to sell online without pissing people off and coming across like a total ahole" -

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    • Profile picture of the author suemax
      Originally Posted by weihoung View Post

      I have already unsubscribed from a slew of mailing lists as a result of the promotion of this product. Was always taught by the "gurus" to promote quality products to your list so as to maintain the loyalty of your list....ironically some of the ones I've unsubscribed from were some of the ones who talked about that very same advice on list management.
      I cleared out ALL the pushers of this one, too. Cleansing!
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  • Profile picture of the author PMinc
    Originally Posted by The Copy Nazi View Post

    UPDATE: now this is HILARIOUS. Google "get FB ads free" and the whole membership page is there. Wide open. Everything. The whole sorry package. PDFs, videos, access to the Upsells - the works. ROFLMAO Just look for the URL plus /membersaccess
    I used to work for an info-product company and for reasons beyond explanation, they also left all of their members areas completely unprotected...no password required. Yet, they never could explain their abnormally high refund rates.
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  • Profile picture of the author alfrescoid
    What amazed me is the sheer number of guys I trusted have pushed this, along with all the others I hadn't quite got to unsubscribing from yet...

    I almost feel bad "cleansing" them, as almost all that I still subscribe to are guys I've bought products from that I liked and thought had some value...

    Despite all this, does the method have any legs? I mean, if one picked the right offer, do you think that you could easily get the "cancelling out of the FB add cost" effect, and actually make close to the amount of income they suggest?
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  • Profile picture of the author Greg Jacobs
    Jani wrote the copy himself and any copywriter sitting in the copywriting forum complaining that this copy converts but is horrible, should actually learn at least "why" it converts and how they can apply that to their letters. because everything else aside regarding this product (and indifferent for the sake of this discussion) this letter converts to cold clicks from IM lists almost better than anything that has come out recently.

    So the first question you need to be asking yourself as a copywriter is
    "Why does this convert good"

    Now for some of you the immediate answer will be
    "because its no good scamming fraud"

    that is an ok answer, but....... analyze the elements
    and I am sure that with a few minor twists they could
    come into your "comfort zone" and still convert almost
    nearly as well.

    save the Jani bashing for the reviews forums, what the kid
    actually does well is write copy, so lets look at that and why
    it converts.
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    • Profile picture of the author The Copy Nazi
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      Originally Posted by Greg Jacobs View Post

      Jani wrote the copy himself and any copywriter sitting in the copywriting forum complaining that this copy converts but is horrible, should actually learn at least "why" it converts and how they can apply that to their letters. because everything else aside regarding this product (and indifferent for the sake of this discussion) this letter converts to cold clicks from IM lists almost better than anything that has come out recently.

      So the first question you need to be asking yourself as a copywriter is
      "Why does this convert good"

      Now for some of you the immediate answer will be
      "because its no good scamming fraud"

      that is an ok answer, but....... analyze the elements
      and I am sure that with a few minor twists they could
      come into your "comfort zone" and still convert almost
      nearly as well.

      save the Jani bashing for the reviews forums, what the kid
      actually does well is write copy, so lets look at that and why
      it converts.
      Care to guess at what the refund rate will be? If it's horror-show it's pretty irrelevant if it converts or not. I reckon he's looking at 70%. And then factor-in the long-term damage to his rep and his relationship with JVs. It's blatant BS and you know it. The promise is "Get facebook ads free". That is not fulfilled. But that may be what rang people's bells. They were salivating over that prospect so a monkey could have written the rest of it.
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      • Profile picture of the author Greg Jacobs
        Originally Posted by The Copy Nazi View Post

        Care to guess at what the refund rate will be? If it's horror-show it's pretty irrelevant if it converts or not. I reckon he's looking at 70%. And then factor-in the long-term damage to his rep and his relationship with JVs. It's blatant BS and you know it. The promise is "Get facebook ads free". That is not fulfilled. But that may be what rang people's bells. They were salivating over that prospect so a monkey could have written the rest of it.
        refund rate doesnt matter, that is just a reason for you to avoid talking about my statement, and regardless all this **** gets at least 50% and anybody who tells you that "their product only has a 8% refund rate" hasnt sold 15,000 front ends on CB in 36 hours and raped them 9 times a week on the next offer in que. its just their business model, it is expected and they are fine with it and most of their partners who would mail this **** in the first place don't give a rats ass, they just like seeing big immediate EPCs and that is about as long term as they can vision.

        ok, so this converted because of the Hook.... "get facebook ads free" that is what sold it according to your paragraph...

        now are you smart enough to come up with or (copy) something with as strong of a hook. cause at the end of the day we are here to sell....

        and just imagine how big of a benz you could buy mal if you could get a strong hook like that and have a lower refund rate than jani.. :p
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        • Profile picture of the author The Copy Nazi
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          Originally Posted by Greg Jacobs View Post

          refund rate doesnt matter, that is just a reason for you to avoid talking about my statement, and regardless all this **** gets at least 50% and anybody who tells you that "their product only has a 8% refund rate" hasnt sold 15,000 front ends on CB in 36 hours and raped them 9 times a week on the next offer in que. its just their business model, it is expected and they are fine with it.

          ok, so this converted because of the Hook.... "get facebook ads free" that is what sold it according to your paragraph...

          now are you smart enough to come up with or (copy) something with as strong of a hook. cause at the end of the day we are here to sell....

          and just imagine how big of a benz you could buy mal if you could get a strong hook like that and have a lower refund rate than jani.. :p
          Not avoiding it all. Perfectly happy to talk for hours about it. I just think it fraudulent. Yes I could come up with a hook to equal that - but I'm damn sure where I'd end up. In the accommodation with Bubba. "At the end of the day we are here to sell" eh? At any cost it seems. Whether its ethical or not. Whether it reeks so bad that the FTC will come a'knocking. It's just a matter of time IMO - even if you're based in Singapore or Thailand or Upper Monogolia. If you're targeting the US market and there are extradition agreements in place the FTC can prosecute and extradite - according to Bob Silber the FTC expert lawyer. You're doing the industry no favors by encouraging these guys in offers like this one.

          BTW did you truly think you had the chance of winning a $350k RR Phantom - another dodgy come-on JG had in his JV promo. Or do you admire that style of copy as well? Here...I'll quote it - "Win this $350,000 Rolls Royce Phantom...plus get loads of $435.65 commissions". No disclaimer. No "just for a week" in the fine print.

          Don't know about you but I've had three emails from JVs apologising for being involved in the promotion of this. And that's a first in my book.

          I don't expect to see one from you. You obviously see nothing wrong with this. OK. We'll see how it pans out.

          BTW I just picked up a classic S600 V12 Benz. That's about as big as I want to go. The fuel consumption is bordering on obscene. But I justify it by only driving it to church on Sundays. With my 85 year old Mother in the back. At 300 kph down the autobahn. Full tilt boogie. Take no prisoners.
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          • Profile picture of the author Greg Jacobs
            Originally Posted by The Copy Nazi View Post

            Not avoiding it all. Perfectly happy to talk for hours about it. I just think it fraudulent. Yes I could come up with a hook to equal that - but I'm damn sure where I'd end up. In the accommodation with Bubba. "At the end of the day we are here to sell" eh? At any cost it seems. Whether its ethical or not. Whether it reeks so bad that the FTC will come a'knocking. It's just a matter of time IMO - even if you're based in Singapore or Thailand or Upper Monogolia. If you're targeting the US market and there are extradition agreements in place the FTC can prosecute and extradite - according to Bob Silber the FTC expert lawyer. You're doing the industry no favors by encouraging these guys in offers like this one.

            BTW did you truly think you had the chance of winning a $350k RR Phantom - another dodgy come-on JG had in his JV promo. Or do you admire that style of copy as well? Here...I'll quote it - "Win this $350,000 Rolls Royce Phantom...plus get loads of $435.65 commissions". No disclaimer. No "just for a week" in the fine print.

            Don't know about you but I've had three emails from JVs apologising for being involved in the promotion of this. And that's a first in my book.

            I don't expect to see one from you. You obviously see nothing wrong with this. OK. We'll see how it pans out.

            BTW I just picked up a classic S600 V12 Benz. That's about as big as I want to go. The fuel consumption is bordering on obscene. But I justify it by only driving it to church on Sundays. With my 85 year old Mother in the back. At 300 kph down the autobahn. Full tilt boogie. Take no prisoners.
            you are sorely missing the point. this is not about jani or this scam. it
            it is about this being a place for copywriters to study craft and that is what I am concerned about.

            lets take a shock example. hitler won the hearts and minds of the German people in the 30's and led them to world war and lots of other nasty things. am i nazi? no. (but you are Mal....haha) do I agree or support with what they did? no. I have a moral ethic in place that disagrees with their worldview.

            however, as a student of human pschoylogy I am going to learn EXACTLY what Hitler did to move a nation to do such a thing... this in the exact same breath that I have vehemently studied the life of ghandi to see how he took back a nation bloodless. Getting MASSES of people to do what you want is the ultimate goal of a copywriter. How you use that power is per your wishes, however to blanket poop on something (ITS A FRAUD) and not even understand the "why" underneath it is just ignorant and self limiting to both your skills and your career IMHO.

            the fact is that as copywriters we (not sure if I qualify as one or not since I don't write for others) are students of an art. Detach yourself from it and study the art. That is how we all will improve our game.

            and yes... your benz is big enough already.
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            • Profile picture of the author The Copy Nazi
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              Originally Posted by Greg Jacobs View Post

              you are sorely missing the point. this is not about jani or this scam. it
              it is about this being a place for copywriters to study craft and that is what I am concerned about.

              lets take a shock example. hitler won the hearts and minds of the German people in the 30's and led them to world war and lots of other nasty things. am i nazi? no. (but you are Mal....haha) do I agree or support with what they did? no. I have a moral ethic in place that disagrees with their worldview.

              however, as a student of human pschoylogy I am going to learn EXACTLY what Hitler did to move a nation to do such a thing... this in the exact same breath that I have vehemently studied the life of ghandi to see how he took back a nation bloodless. Getting MASSES of people to do what you want is the ultimate goal of a copywriter. How you use that power is per your wishes, however to blanket poop on something (ITS A FRAUD) and not even understand the "why" underneath it is just ignorant and self limiting to both your skills and your career IMHO.

              the fact is that as copywriters we (not sure if I qualify as one or not since I don't write for others) are students of an art. Detach yourself from it and study the art. That is how we all will improve our game.

              and yes... your benz is big enough already.
              I understand the "why" as you put it. You say it yourself. Its a scam and this guy will stop at nothing just to make money. And you're endorsing that scam by JVing with him. The rest of your argument is pure BS. It's not all about "Getting MASSES of people to do what you want is the ultimate goal of a copywriter" - you're confusing selling product with mind control.

              And since when is this "not about Jani and this scam". The copy is perpetrating a fraud. Apparently written by JaniG - nonwithstanding the fact that he claimed in his JV video pitch that its written by "two copywriters with seven #1 Clickbank pages between them". Maybe the truth is the two potential writers saw right through this scam and refused to have anything to do with it. If so, more power to them.
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            • Profile picture of the author Ross James
              Originally Posted by Greg Jacobs View Post


              however, as a student of human pschoylogy I am going to learn EXACTLY what Hitler did to move a nation to do such a thing... this in the exact same breath that I have vehemently studied the life of ghandi to see how he took back a nation bloodless. Getting MASSES of people to do what you want is the ultimate goal of a copywriter. How you use that power is per your wishes, however to blanket poop on something (ITS A FRAUD) and not even understand the "why" underneath it is just ignorant and self limiting to both your skills and your career IMHO.
              Why psychology? Just curious...I mean analyzing what they did is one thing...Anyone can do that...but it doesn't really give you the key to the blackbox, isn't that what you're looking for? How to apply it in some other way? Like WWHD? Wouldn't you want to be the metaphysical hitler or metahitler? Let us know how that works out for you.
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    I have a feeling a lot of the "Gurus" will be more hesitant of what they promote when it comes to products related to FB after this one finishes its launch.

    I'd be surprised if some of those gurus cut their launch emails short after getting some feedback.
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  • Profile picture of the author Zesh
    i am still waiting for my refund about this and my wife was crying as she paid $47 for something and we dont have much money to spend right now
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    • Profile picture of the author kellyburdes
      Not to be a total dick, but if you didn't have the $47 you shouldn't have bought the product in the first place.

      Originally Posted by Zesh View Post

      i am still waiting for my refund about this and my wife was crying as she paid $47 for something and we dont have much money to spend right now
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      • Profile picture of the author kellyburdes
        Just a quick note here, an add on.

        I don't want to come across as though I'm supporting any vendor who is lying and scamming and putting out crap. Personally I don't know how they sleep at night. To me, money I EARN is the only type I can spend and feel ok with myself.

        But, gambling with the rent money (which is what you appear to have done) is compulsive behavior of the type that addicts engage in. Yes, the vendors should be held accountable for what they sell, but personal responsibility and accountability run both ways.

        Myself, I get tired of all the people who come onto forums and whine and complain about being taken advantage of by the same damn scam every single week. Wake up people. There's no such thing as a free lunch.

        If you want to run a successful business online, your going to have to do what everyone else who's ever run a successful business has had to do (and that includes even the guy's selling you the dream...some of them are actually among the hardest working people I've ever met online)....WORK.

        Learn the basic's of salesmanship, stop worrying about the "latest and greatest" gadget and tactic...focus on good old fashion selling and salesman ship - not on cheap ass tricks.

        The ONLY ONE making money on the tricks is the one selling them to suckers. They are not making that money off the trick.

        But we live in a world full of predators, and as long as there are people who want something for noting, there's always going to be people who are willing to WORK to take advantage of them.



        Originally Posted by kellyburdes View Post

        Not to be a total dick, but if you didn't have the $47 you shouldn't have bought the product in the first place.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bruce Wedding
    I'm sure people realize this but I haven't seen anyone mention it. This is a rerun of the google ads for free product. There was a firestorm over that one too.
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    • Profile picture of the author The Copy Nazi
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      Originally Posted by Bruce Wedding View Post

      I'm sure people realize this but I haven't seen anyone mention it. This is a rerun of the google ads for free product. There was a firestorm over that one too.
      Yes that was mentioned several times in the Review thread that was nuked.
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  • Profile picture of the author kellyburdes
    Jani does his own copy. He also writes for other people, a lot of the blind stuff you see.
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  • Profile picture of the author xxxJamesxxx
    If you watch the JV video, you'll hear Jani say they hired 2 copywriters who both have had a combined 7 Clickbank no.1s.

    Don't know if it's true, just saying

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    • Profile picture of the author The Copy Nazi
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      Originally Posted by xxxJamesxxx View Post

      If you watch the JV video, you'll hear Jani say they hired 2 copywriters who both have had a combined 7 Clickbank no.1s.

      Don't know if it's true, just saying

      James
      Yep. That's why I'm asking. It also narrows the field right down. BTW check this out. His other product - http://www.warriorforum.com/internet...ml#post3463256 Post #206 is interesting as indeed is the G-boy's reply.
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  • Profile picture of the author GenerousBoy
    My impression exactly. I get so tired of hearing it's dead easy to cover your ad spend with CPA offers - it just isn't and it takes an experienced marketer to achieve day after day. Like you said, the promotion just gets IM a bad name.
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    • Profile picture of the author viffer211
      It's been taken off clickbank now anyway, and off the marketplace all together.
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      • Profile picture of the author The Copy Nazi
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        Originally Posted by viffer211 View Post

        It's been taken off clickbank now anyway, and off the marketplace all together.
        Really? The JV page says "Due to High Demand Sold Out".

        Meanwhile Clickbank still sponsor Get Google Ads Free - "Contains *Magic Code* When Added To Any Site Makes Google Pay-Per-Click Ads Costs Go To Zero!"

        I disagree with Harlan Kilstein on a lot of stuff but he's dead right with this one - Clickbank needs to get its house in order.

        BTW it might be "sold out" but the backdoor is still wide open - letting anyone grab it for free.

        hey...now there's an idea for a WSO -

        "Get Get FB Ads Free for FREE!
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        • Profile picture of the author Rus Sells
          Any one who participates in a misleading and fraudulent product, including a copy writer is accountable for the fraud being perpetuated. If the person who wrote the copy is not the product creator, ignorance is not an excuse. The FTC would hold "ALL" the people liable.


          Originally Posted by The Copy Nazi View Post

          Really? The JV page says "Due to High Demand Sold Out".

          Meanwhile Clickbank still sponsor Get Google Ads Free - "Contains *Magic Code* When Added To Any Site Makes Google Pay-Per-Click Ads Costs Go To Zero!"

          I disagree with Harlan Kilstein on a lot of stuff but he's dead right with this one - Clickbank needs to get its house in order.

          BTW it might be "sold out" but the backdoor is still wide open - letting anyone grab it for free.

          hey...now there's an idea for a WSO -

          "Get Get FB Ads Free for FREE!
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    • not outweighed by other benefits and
    • not reasonably avoidable.
    The FTC Act prohibits unfair or deceptive advertising in any medium. That is, advertising must tell the truth and not mislead consumers. A claim can be misleading if relevant information is left out or if the claim implies something that's not true. For example, a lease advertisement for an automobile that promotes "$0 Down" may be misleading if significant and undisclosed charges are due at lease signing.
    In addition, claims must be substantiated, especially when they concern health, safety, or performance. The type of evidence may depend on the product, the claims, and what experts believe necessary. If your ad specifies a certain level of support for a claim - "tests show X" - you must have at least that level of support.
    Sellers are responsible for claims they make about their products and services. Third parties - such as advertising agencies or website designers and catalog marketers - also may be liable for making or disseminating deceptive representations if they participate in the preparation or distribution of the advertising, or know about the deceptive claims.
    • Advertising agencies or website designers are responsible for reviewing the information used to substantiate ad claims. They may not simply rely on an advertiser's assurance that the claims are substantiated. In determining whether an ad agency should be held liable, the FTC looks at the extent of the agency's participation in the preparation of the challenged ad, and whether the agency knew or should have known that the ad included false or deceptive claims.
    • To protect themselves, catalog marketers should ask for material to back up claims rather than repeat what the manufacturer says about the product. If the manufacturer doesn't come forward with proof or turns over proof that looks questionable, the catalog marketer should see a yellow "caution light" and proceed appropriately, especially when it comes to extravagant performance claims, health or weight loss promises, or earnings guarantees. In writing ad copy, catalogers should stick to claims that can be supported. Most important, catalog marketers should trust their instincts when a product sounds too good to be true.
    Other points to consider:
    • Disclaimers and disclosures must be clear and conspicuous. That is, consumers must be able to notice, read or hear, and understand the information. Still, a disclaimer or disclosure alone usually is not enough to remedy a false or deceptive claim.
    • Demonstrations must show how the product will perform under normal use.
    • Refunds must be made to dissatisfied consumers - if you promised to make them.
    Did you note this bit? -
    Third parties - such as advertising agencies or website designers and catalog marketers - also may be liable for making or disseminating deceptive representations if they participate in the preparation or distribution of the advertising, or know about the deceptive claims........To protect themselves, catalog marketers should ask for material to back up claims rather than repeat what the manufacturer says about the product. If the manufacturer doesn't come forward with proof or turns over proof that looks questionable, the catalog marketer should see a yellow "caution light" and proceed appropriately, especially when it comes to extravagant performance claims, health or weight loss promises, or earnings guarantees. In writing ad copy, catalogers should stick to claims that can be supported. Most important, catalog marketers should trust their instincts when a product sounds too good to be true.
    As Rus Sells pointed out above - the copywriter is liable for deceptive practice as well.

    Oh yeah...and not forgetting this bit at the bottom of the page -
    Non-Compliance

    The FTC periodically joins with other law enforcement agencies to monitor the Internet for
    potentially false or deceptive online advertising claims.
    If your advertisements don't comply with the law, you could face enforcement actions or civil lawsuits. For advertisers under the FTC's jurisdiction, that could mean:
    • orders to cease and desist, with fines up to $16,000 per violation should they occur.
    • injunctions by federal district courts. Violations of some Commission rules also could result in civil penalties of up to $16,000 per violation. Violations of court orders could result in civil or criminal contempt proceedings.
    • in some instances, refunds to consumers for actual damages in civil lawsuits.
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  • Profile picture of the author Gijsbertus
    Originally Posted by Eddyjangle View Post

    It all seems a bit fishy to me, I think I'll stick to what I know
    Yeah me to let's all stick to what we know
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  • Profile picture of the author Dean Jackson
    You guys think that's bad?

    Check this out...


    Haley Milano's Stripped Down Profits

    ...And proceed to laugh your asses off.

    - Dean
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    • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
      Originally Posted by Dean Jackson View Post

      You guys think that's bad?

      Check this out...


      Haley Milano's Stripped Down Profits

      ...And proceed to laugh your asses off.

      - Dean
      holy ****... just when you thought it couldn't get any worse.

      I swear, someone or something needs to counteract this crap. It's getting out of control.
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    • Profile picture of the author OnlineMasterMind
      Originally Posted by Dean Jackson View Post

      You guys think that's bad?

      Check this out...


      Haley Milano's Stripped Down Profits

      ...And proceed to laugh your asses off.

      - Dean
      What? I don't get it.

      You don't think that's for real?
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      • Profile picture of the author Defunct
        Originally Posted by OnlineMasterMind View Post

        What? I don't get it.

        You don't think that's for real?
        Define real?

        Is real like you can't make $600000 by clicking 1 button.

        What happens if you push it twice?
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    • Profile picture of the author The Copy Nazi
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      Originally Posted by Dean Jackson View Post

      You guys think that's bad?

      Check this out...


      Haley Milano's Stripped Down Profits

      ...And proceed to laugh your asses off.

      - Dean
      Bizarre thing about that vid is that she never looks at the camera. Just another "Stripped Down Pro".

      So here's the $66 Million question - where the hell is the FTC?

      "This has been another wonderful Clickbank production - remember campers - don't wank, make bank"
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      • Profile picture of the author Dean Jackson
        It looks like the videos been redone... last night (I'm in Australia) she didn't look at the camera even once and kept on stuttering. It was just awkward.

        I hope whoevers selling this crap gets shut down soon.
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        • Profile picture of the author ARSuarez
          Originally Posted by Dean Jackson View Post

          It looks like the videos been redone... last night (I'm in Australia) she didn't look at the camera even once and kept on stuttering. It was just awkward.

          I hope whoevers selling this crap gets shut down soon.
          You know, I gotta say... legit or not, that is some pretty sweet copy.

          I was hooked.

          Not surprising, I'm pretty sure the guy/gal who wrote Steve Iser's Commission Crusher assembled this thing, too.

          The style, graphics, and even the guarantee are identical.

          Best,

          Angel
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      • Profile picture of the author Alan Petersen
        Originally Posted by The Copy Nazi View Post

        So here's the $66 Million question - where the hell is the FTC?
        The FTC is complaint driven. If people aren't filing complaints they don't take action. With Click Bank's refund policy consumers get their money back (even if it's passed their 60 day period) so folks get their money back thus they don't complain.

        If you look at recent action the FTC has taken recently against some of these online companies it all starts when folks can't get their money back so they begin to escalate it.

        Click Bank's refund policy probably keeps them off the FTC radar. And the FTC would have a field day in that marketplace!
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        • Profile picture of the author The Copy Nazi
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          Originally Posted by Alan Petersen View Post

          The FTC is complaint driven. If people aren't filing complaints they don't take action. With Click Bank's refund policy consumers get their money back (even if it's passed their 60 day period) so folks get their money back thus they don't complain.

          If you look at recent action the FTC has taken recently against some of these online companies it all starts when folks can't get their money back so they begin to escalate it.

          Click Bank's refund policy probably keeps them off the FTC radar. And the FTC would have a field day in that marketplace!
          Well yeah...but what's been happening with some of these Refund Requests to the Product owner is it gets changed to a "Support Ticket" opened or some crap - the "run around". And if you read the comments in some of the threads here a lot of people don't know how to even request a refund on Clickbank. My opinion? It should be "Hey if you don't like this product for whatever reason or feel its not for you...here's how you can get a Refund". That builds trust and faith. All you're doing by making it hard to refund is pissing people off. And if you saw the vid earlier in this thread you'll see how ironic that is. As Warren Buffet said -
          It takes 20 years to build a reputation and five minutes to ruin it. If you think about that, you'll do things differently.


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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Harper
    I love it!

    Totally ridiculous.
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  • Profile picture of the author FernandoAlvan
    LOOOl thats true .. the membership area doesnt even require username and password to login.. It's open to the public. haha
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    • Profile picture of the author The Copy Nazi
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      Originally Posted by FernandoAlvan View Post

      LOOOl thats true .. the membership area doesnt even require username and password to login.. It's open to the public. haha
      Has been for a week. Like I said - class act.

      part of the welcome page reads -
      First we want to congratulate you on taking action
      which I took as "You Googled the product name and found the members access at the top of Google". Like I said - the door's wide open. It's a keeper for my file on "How not to run a launch".
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      • Profile picture of the author Marvin Johnston
        Originally Posted by The Copy Nazi View Post

        Has been for a week. Like I said - class act.

        part of the welcome page reads - which I took as "You Googled the product name and found the members access at the top of Google". Like I said - the door's wide open. It's a keeper for my file on "How not to run a launch".
        Someone (Ryan Deiss?) when they first started had a password box to access their stuff. The only problem was that it was fake, and putting down almost anything would gain access to the site.

        Marvin
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  • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
    This is a picture-perfect, textbook example of everything that I rail on that's wrong with the internet marketing/bizop business that keeps it thrashing about in the gutter. This is exactly why mainstream business has a real attitude about internet marketing, and why "offline marketing" folks find themselves with a huge challenge in garnering any sort of credibility with all but the smallest mom & pop proprietors, slightly bigger than a swap meet booth vendor.

    Myself, I recognized that the affiliate marketing/internet marketing folks did know some important things about various aspects of driving traffic and marketing things on the web. But everything has to be sufficiently scrubbed and sanitized before taking to the much larger, legitimate business community because if it faintly smells of scammy bizop stench, they will reject it with prejudice.
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    • Profile picture of the author marketingintheveins
      Well, for what it's worth, it looks like it got banned from clickbank...

      ...Although the site says it's closed or sold out.

      It's not even listed in the marketplace anymore and it was #1 for a day I think.

      Now it's gone.

      How's that for gangsta
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      • Profile picture of the author The Copy Nazi
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        Originally Posted by marketingintheveins View Post

        Well, for what it's worth, it looks like it got banned from clickbank...

        ...Although the site says it's closed or sold out.

        It's not even listed in the marketplace anymore and it was #1 for a day I think.

        Now it's gone.

        How's that for gangsta
        I'm betting they got some fanmail from Zuckerberg's legal department. Facebook is mentioned in the Guinness Book of World Records for its spam-fighting efforts. It holds the record for the two largest judgments in the history of the CAN-SPAM Act – an $873 million judgment against Adam Guerbuez and Atlantis Blue Capital and a $711 million judgment against Sanford Wallace. Obviously we're not talking spam here but I doubt facebook would be thrilled with having its name sullied like this - the bs about the facebook employee "leaking" info etc.

        “We will press on with enforcement and collection efforts against spammers and fraudsters, and we’re committed to applying continuous legal pressure to send a strong message to spammers that they’re not welcome on Facebook,” the post says. “Stay tuned as our push against spammers and scammers escalates over the next month, year and beyond. We have other actions pending, and there will be more to come.”
        And with the war-chest they've got...
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  • Profile picture of the author Nathan Alexander
    It's getting ridiculous how much work needs to be done to make a buck these days. All those guys and their stupid clicking.

    I found a way to flick the mouse across the pad (it can even be in any direction) and now I roll with bling, have six new cars and my banker delivers my dry cleaning. And as I've been getting bored with my new toys, I'm getting ready (probably tomorrow) to flick the mouse again for another surge.

    Everybody wants to be my friend. Cool.









    New WSO coming soon.
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  • Profile picture of the author kellyburdes
    I think that people would be very surprised to find out how many members area's are not protected and are wide open. It's not just Jani who does it.

    As someone mentioned Ryan Deiss has said when he started out he had very limited protection. I can remember finding access to Jason Moffatt's members area on Google once and also Commission Blueprint.

    When I got started I didn't know squat about technology, or have the money to hire someone who did and my members area was also wide open.

    I'm not trying to defend this product because it's obviously crap, and I'm glad that CB took it down, and I'm hopeful that this is the start of them finally taking a stand on a lot of the products that these guys have been putting out.

    But the thing is that 95% of the people you work with are good and honest (which is why it's so easy for con men to take advantage of them too) and won't screw you over, even when you have a wide open members area.

    So - of all the things you can slam Jani for on this product, this one thing is pretty much near the bottom of the list IMO.
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  • Profile picture of the author ptpasta
    Even they've been outranked by promoting sites...

    I thought about promoting it, thanks the gods I didn't.
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  • Profile picture of the author The Copy Nazi
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    That's funny. And refreshing. But at $7 I just knew he was gonna mousetrap me and go for the upsell. So I passed. But I'm not the target audience and I bet it does well. (Personally I don't get the whole lap-dance thing)
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    • Profile picture of the author omk
      I think I found the ultimate rant on the FB Ads product.

      What makes this rant so good is that you can tell this
      guy is really angry, but doesn't want to totally blow his
      top.

      You can tell how badly he wanted this FB Ads thing to be
      true.

      Plus the background noise is really interesting. When's
      the last time you heard roster noises in a video background?

      I think he lives in another country.

      * Just hang in there until after the first 2 or 3 minutes! - well worth it!!

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