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Old 03-07-2011, 03:22 AM   #1
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Default Get FB Ads Free Copy - 'Fess Up - Who Wrote It?

Seen this? Get FB Ads Free I have a pretty good idea who wrote it. Would just like confirmation. But IMO this is Fraud. You seen the thread here on it? Get FB ads Free Or Facebook Ads Free ? Seen what people are saying on the net? This is a stinker. The FTC would have a field day with this.

They start off by offering JV partners Win a $350k Rolls Royce Phantom For a Week" and it goes downhill rapidly from there. The JV prize isn't the car at all - it's a week's chauffeur-driven tour of Miami clubs in the thing. Talk about "misrepresentation".

The offer itself is promising software that will allow you to get facebook ads for free. Uh right. BS of course. They mean if you whack a CPA offer on a fanpage and it makes money your ad spend is zip. Entirely different beast - and again misrepresentation and fraud IMO. And the script is making FBML fan pages that will be replaced by iframes on March 11 anyway. What's up with that?

So I'd really like to know who the writers are on this. You man enough to put your hands up?

And let's not forget the BS scarcity tactic - "Only 500 will be sold". I've been refreshing the page for the last day and it's still reading "33 Downloads left". How dumb do you think people are? That dumb?

This kind of stuff is just going to terminally damage this industry.

UPDATE: now this is HILARIOUS. Google "get FB ads free" and the whole membership page is there. Wide open. Everything. The whole sorry package. PDFs, videos, access to the Upsells - the works. ROFLMAO Just look for the URL plus /membersaccess

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Old 03-07-2011, 07:26 AM   #2
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I really hope that pile of BS wasn't written by any of the reputable writers on here.

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Old 03-07-2011, 07:27 AM   #3
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Actually written by the marketers themselves. No copywriter as far as I know.

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UPDATE: now this is HILARIOUS. Google "get FB ads free" and the whole membership page is there. Wide open. Everything. The whole sorry package. PDFs, videos, access to the Upsells - the works. ROFLMAO Just look for the URL plus /membersaccess

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You guys should do a search for the review of this program on Youtube. Very funny!

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That is absolutely fraud...I think. Isn't this about FBML tabs? Isn't FB switching to iFrames?
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That is absolutely fraud...I think. Isn't this about FBML tabs? Isn't FB switching to iFrames?
Yep - March 11. But apparently these guys are saying they'll update the software by then. Meanwhile a good third of the site is missing content - Vids/Forum/PDFs. You really got to wonder. One JV I spoke to said he made 100 sales on the first day and had 70% Refunds on the second.



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product creator is Jani G he is member of wf
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Anyone who buys that deserves to lose their money.

That is my opinion.

That's not even good hyped up biz opp copy that should warrant any type of genuine curiosity.

Truthfully, this doesn't even belong in the "copywriting" forum.

The copy is awful actually.

This is just an example of desperate insecure people with no common sense engaging in a relationship with a scam artist.

It's like if you were to see someone buying crack... dissecting the situation in a logical way is pointless and offers no resolution...
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Thank you Zesh...we're all aware of that. I even linked to the review thread on it.



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What happened to the other thread about this product? Why was it removed from the Forum does anyone know the truth about this?

I love the Warrior Forum, I would hate to think that this got political among the people who were promoting this and they gave in to pressure to remove it.

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I have already unsubscribed from a slew of mailing lists as a result of the promotion of this product. Was always taught by the "gurus" to promote quality products to your list so as to maintain the loyalty of your list....ironically some of the ones I've unsubscribed from were some of the ones who talked about that very same advice on list management.

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What happened to the other thread about this product? Why was it removed from the Forum does anyone know the truth about this?

I love the Warrior Forum, I would hate to think that this got political among the people who were promoting this and they gave in to pressure to remove it.
Whenever a thread starts to get down and dirty, they nuke it. But yes - pity it disappeared. It's still in Google cache if you're interested.

Meanwhile those clowns have still left the back door open for anyone to walk in and steal their product. How funny is that. BTW the welcome message starts with JaniG claiming they have a last-minute bonus that cost them $2k and is only available to the first 15 to take advantage of it. Again - those 15 copies have been available for days. LOL



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I have already unsubscribed from a slew of mailing lists as a result of the promotion of this product. Was always taught by the "gurus" to promote quality products to your list so as to maintain the loyalty of your list....ironically some of the ones I've unsubscribed from were some of the ones who talked about that very same advice on list management.
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I have already unsubscribed from a slew of mailing lists as a result of the promotion of this product. Was always taught by the "gurus" to promote quality products to your list so as to maintain the loyalty of your list....ironically some of the ones I've unsubscribed from were some of the ones who talked about that very same advice on list management.
I cleared out ALL the pushers of this one, too. Cleansing!

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UPDATE: now this is HILARIOUS. Google "get FB ads free" and the whole membership page is there. Wide open. Everything. The whole sorry package. PDFs, videos, access to the Upsells - the works. ROFLMAO Just look for the URL plus /membersaccess
I used to work for an info-product company and for reasons beyond explanation, they also left all of their members areas completely unprotected...no password required. Yet, they never could explain their abnormally high refund rates.



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What amazed me is the sheer number of guys I trusted have pushed this, along with all the others I hadn't quite got to unsubscribing from yet...

I almost feel bad "cleansing" them, as almost all that I still subscribe to are guys I've bought products from that I liked and thought had some value...

Despite all this, does the method have any legs? I mean, if one picked the right offer, do you think that you could easily get the "cancelling out of the FB add cost" effect, and actually make close to the amount of income they suggest?

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Jani wrote the copy himself and any copywriter sitting in the copywriting forum complaining that this copy converts but is horrible, should actually learn at least "why" it converts and how they can apply that to their letters. because everything else aside regarding this product (and indifferent for the sake of this discussion) this letter converts to cold clicks from IM lists almost better than anything that has come out recently.

So the first question you need to be asking yourself as a copywriter is
"Why does this convert good"

Now for some of you the immediate answer will be
"because its no good scamming fraud"

that is an ok answer, but....... analyze the elements
and I am sure that with a few minor twists they could
come into your "comfort zone" and still convert almost
nearly as well.

save the Jani bashing for the reviews forums, what the kid
actually does well is write copy, so lets look at that and why
it converts.

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I have a feeling a lot of the "Gurus" will be more hesitant of what they promote when it comes to products related to FB after this one finishes its launch.

I'd be surprised if some of those gurus cut their launch emails short after getting some feedback.
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Jani wrote the copy himself and any copywriter sitting in the copywriting forum complaining that this copy converts but is horrible, should actually learn at least "why" it converts and how they can apply that to their letters. because everything else aside regarding this product (and indifferent for the sake of this discussion) this letter converts to cold clicks from IM lists almost better than anything that has come out recently.

So the first question you need to be asking yourself as a copywriter is
"Why does this convert good"

Now for some of you the immediate answer will be
"because its no good scamming fraud"

that is an ok answer, but....... analyze the elements
and I am sure that with a few minor twists they could
come into your "comfort zone" and still convert almost
nearly as well.

save the Jani bashing for the reviews forums, what the kid
actually does well is write copy, so lets look at that and why
it converts.
Care to guess at what the refund rate will be? If it's horror-show it's pretty irrelevant if it converts or not. I reckon he's looking at 70%. And then factor-in the long-term damage to his rep and his relationship with JVs. It's blatant BS and you know it. The promise is "Get facebook ads free". That is not fulfilled. But that may be what rang people's bells. They were salivating over that prospect so a monkey could have written the rest of it.



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Care to guess at what the refund rate will be? If it's horror-show it's pretty irrelevant if it converts or not. I reckon he's looking at 70%. And then factor-in the long-term damage to his rep and his relationship with JVs. It's blatant BS and you know it. The promise is "Get facebook ads free". That is not fulfilled. But that may be what rang people's bells. They were salivating over that prospect so a monkey could have written the rest of it.
refund rate doesnt matter, that is just a reason for you to avoid talking about my statement, and regardless all this **** gets at least 50% and anybody who tells you that "their product only has a 8% refund rate" hasnt sold 15,000 front ends on CB in 36 hours and raped them 9 times a week on the next offer in que. its just their business model, it is expected and they are fine with it and most of their partners who would mail this **** in the first place don't give a rats ass, they just like seeing big immediate EPCs and that is about as long term as they can vision.

ok, so this converted because of the Hook.... "get facebook ads free" that is what sold it according to your paragraph...

now are you smart enough to come up with or (copy) something with as strong of a hook. cause at the end of the day we are here to sell....

and just imagine how big of a benz you could buy mal if you could get a strong hook like that and have a lower refund rate than jani..

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refund rate doesnt matter, that is just a reason for you to avoid talking about my statement, and regardless all this **** gets at least 50% and anybody who tells you that "their product only has a 8% refund rate" hasnt sold 15,000 front ends on CB in 36 hours and raped them 9 times a week on the next offer in que. its just their business model, it is expected and they are fine with it.

ok, so this converted because of the Hook.... "get facebook ads free" that is what sold it according to your paragraph...

now are you smart enough to come up with or (copy) something with as strong of a hook. cause at the end of the day we are here to sell....

and just imagine how big of a benz you could buy mal if you could get a strong hook like that and have a lower refund rate than jani..
Not avoiding it all. Perfectly happy to talk for hours about it. I just think it fraudulent. Yes I could come up with a hook to equal that - but I'm damn sure where I'd end up. In the accommodation with Bubba. "At the end of the day we are here to sell" eh? At any cost it seems. Whether its ethical or not. Whether it reeks so bad that the FTC will come a'knocking. It's just a matter of time IMO - even if you're based in Singapore or Thailand or Upper Monogolia. If you're targeting the US market and there are extradition agreements in place the FTC can prosecute and extradite - according to Bob Silber the FTC expert lawyer. You're doing the industry no favors by encouraging these guys in offers like this one.

BTW did you truly think you had the chance of winning a $350k RR Phantom - another dodgy come-on JG had in his JV promo. Or do you admire that style of copy as well? Here...I'll quote it - "Win this $350,000 Rolls Royce Phantom...plus get loads of $435.65 commissions". No disclaimer. No "just for a week" in the fine print.

Don't know about you but I've had three emails from JVs apologising for being involved in the promotion of this. And that's a first in my book.

I don't expect to see one from you. You obviously see nothing wrong with this. OK. We'll see how it pans out.

BTW I just picked up a classic S600 V12 Benz. That's about as big as I want to go. The fuel consumption is bordering on obscene. But I justify it by only driving it to church on Sundays. With my 85 year old Mother in the back. At 300 kph down the autobahn. Full tilt boogie. Take no prisoners.



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i am still waiting for my refund about this and my wife was crying as she paid $47 for something and we dont have much money to spend right now
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I'm sure people realize this but I haven't seen anyone mention it. This is a rerun of the google ads for free product. There was a firestorm over that one too.

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I'm sure people realize this but I haven't seen anyone mention it. This is a rerun of the google ads for free product. There was a firestorm over that one too.
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Jani does his own copy. He also writes for other people, a lot of the blind stuff you see.
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Not to be a total dick, but if you didn't have the $47 you shouldn't have bought the product in the first place.

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If you watch the JV video, you'll hear Jani say they hired 2 copywriters who both have had a combined 7 Clickbank no.1s.

Don't know if it's true, just saying

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If you watch the JV video, you'll hear Jani say they hired 2 copywriters who both have had a combined 7 Clickbank no.1s.

Don't know if it's true, just saying

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Just a quick note here, an add on.

I don't want to come across as though I'm supporting any vendor who is lying and scamming and putting out crap. Personally I don't know how they sleep at night. To me, money I EARN is the only type I can spend and feel ok with myself.

But, gambling with the rent money (which is what you appear to have done) is compulsive behavior of the type that addicts engage in. Yes, the vendors should be held accountable for what they sell, but personal responsibility and accountability run both ways.

Myself, I get tired of all the people who come onto forums and whine and complain about being taken advantage of by the same damn scam every single week. Wake up people. There's no such thing as a free lunch.

If you want to run a successful business online, your going to have to do what everyone else who's ever run a successful business has had to do (and that includes even the guy's selling you the dream...some of them are actually among the hardest working people I've ever met online)....WORK.

Learn the basic's of salesmanship, stop worrying about the "latest and greatest" gadget and tactic...focus on good old fashion selling and salesman ship - not on cheap ass tricks.

The ONLY ONE making money on the tricks is the one selling them to suckers. They are not making that money off the trick.

But we live in a world full of predators, and as long as there are people who want something for noting, there's always going to be people who are willing to WORK to take advantage of them.



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Jani wrote the copy himself and any copywriter sitting in the copywriting forum complaining that this copy converts but is horrible, should actually learn at least "why" it converts and how they can apply that to their letters. because everything else aside regarding this product (and indifferent for the sake of this discussion) this letter converts to cold clicks from IM lists almost better than anything that has come out recently.

So the first question you need to be asking yourself as a copywriter is
"Why does this convert good"

Now for some of you the immediate answer will be
"because its no good scamming fraud"

that is an ok answer, but....... analyze the elements
and I am sure that with a few minor twists they could
come into your "comfort zone" and still convert almost
nearly as well.

save the Jani bashing for the reviews forums, what the kid
actually does well is write copy, so lets look at that and why
it converts.
It's easy to convert when you flat out lie,

Nothing new there.

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Not avoiding it all. Perfectly happy to talk for hours about it. I just think it fraudulent. Yes I could come up with a hook to equal that - but I'm damn sure where I'd end up. In the accommodation with Bubba. "At the end of the day we are here to sell" eh? At any cost it seems. Whether its ethical or not. Whether it reeks so bad that the FTC will come a'knocking. It's just a matter of time IMO - even if you're based in Singapore or Thailand or Upper Monogolia. If you're targeting the US market and there are extradition agreements in place the FTC can prosecute and extradite - according to Bob Silber the FTC expert lawyer. You're doing the industry no favors by encouraging these guys in offers like this one.

BTW did you truly think you had the chance of winning a $350k RR Phantom - another dodgy come-on JG had in his JV promo. Or do you admire that style of copy as well? Here...I'll quote it - "Win this $350,000 Rolls Royce Phantom...plus get loads of $435.65 commissions". No disclaimer. No "just for a week" in the fine print.

Don't know about you but I've had three emails from JVs apologising for being involved in the promotion of this. And that's a first in my book.

I don't expect to see one from you. You obviously see nothing wrong with this. OK. We'll see how it pans out.

BTW I just picked up a classic S600 V12 Benz. That's about as big as I want to go. The fuel consumption is bordering on obscene. But I justify it by only driving it to church on Sundays. With my 85 year old Mother in the back. At 300 kph down the autobahn. Full tilt boogie. Take no prisoners.
you are sorely missing the point. this is not about jani or this scam. it
it is about this being a place for copywriters to study craft and that is what I am concerned about.

lets take a shock example. hitler won the hearts and minds of the German people in the 30's and led them to world war and lots of other nasty things. am i nazi? no. (but you are Mal....haha) do I agree or support with what they did? no. I have a moral ethic in place that disagrees with their worldview.

however, as a student of human pschoylogy I am going to learn EXACTLY what Hitler did to move a nation to do such a thing... this in the exact same breath that I have vehemently studied the life of ghandi to see how he took back a nation bloodless. Getting MASSES of people to do what you want is the ultimate goal of a copywriter. How you use that power is per your wishes, however to blanket poop on something (ITS A FRAUD) and not even understand the "why" underneath it is just ignorant and self limiting to both your skills and your career IMHO.

the fact is that as copywriters we (not sure if I qualify as one or not since I don't write for others) are students of an art. Detach yourself from it and study the art. That is how we all will improve our game.

and yes... your benz is big enough already.

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you are sorely missing the point. this is not about jani or this scam. it
it is about this being a place for copywriters to study craft and that is what I am concerned about.

lets take a shock example. hitler won the hearts and minds of the German people in the 30's and led them to world war and lots of other nasty things. am i nazi? no. (but you are Mal....haha) do I agree or support with what they did? no. I have a moral ethic in place that disagrees with their worldview.

however, as a student of human pschoylogy I am going to learn EXACTLY what Hitler did to move a nation to do such a thing... this in the exact same breath that I have vehemently studied the life of ghandi to see how he took back a nation bloodless. Getting MASSES of people to do what you want is the ultimate goal of a copywriter. How you use that power is per your wishes, however to blanket poop on something (ITS A FRAUD) and not even understand the "why" underneath it is just ignorant and self limiting to both your skills and your career IMHO.

the fact is that as copywriters we (not sure if I qualify as one or not since I don't write for others) are students of an art. Detach yourself from it and study the art. That is how we all will improve our game.

and yes... your benz is big enough already.
I understand the "why" as you put it. You say it yourself. Its a scam and this guy will stop at nothing just to make money. And you're endorsing that scam by JVing with him. The rest of your argument is pure BS. It's not all about "Getting MASSES of people to do what you want is the ultimate goal of a copywriter" - you're confusing selling product with mind control.

And since when is this "not about Jani and this scam". The copy is perpetrating a fraud. Apparently written by JaniG - nonwithstanding the fact that he claimed in his JV video pitch that its written by "two copywriters with seven #1 Clickbank pages between them". Maybe the truth is the two potential writers saw right through this scam and refused to have anything to do with it. If so, more power to them.



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And you're endorsing that scam by JVing with him.
actually no, you are incorrect. I am definitely not JV'ing with him nor endorsing him... I know Jani, I know alot of people, but we wont go into who you know....... i dont think there is anything else to say as i am speaking to deaf ears.

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actually no, you are incorrect. I am definitely not JV'ing with him nor endorsing him... I know Jani, I know alot of people, but we wont go into who you know....... i dont think there is anything else to say as i am speaking to deaf ears.
Dude, you should JV with me. My next launch is "Get Google #1 SERPS FREE". We'll make a killing. JV prize is a S600 V12 Mercedes - or what's left of it after I've "reviewed" it.

Second Prize is a set of steak knives.



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however, as a student of human pschoylogy I am going to learn EXACTLY what Hitler did to move a nation to do such a thing... this in the exact same breath that I have vehemently studied the life of ghandi to see how he took back a nation bloodless. Getting MASSES of people to do what you want is the ultimate goal of a copywriter. How you use that power is per your wishes, however to blanket poop on something (ITS A FRAUD) and not even understand the "why" underneath it is just ignorant and self limiting to both your skills and your career IMHO.
Why psychology? Just curious...I mean analyzing what they did is one thing...Anyone can do that...but it doesn't really give you the key to the blackbox, isn't that what you're looking for? How to apply it in some other way? Like WWHD? Wouldn't you want to be the metaphysical hitler or metahitler? Let us know how that works out for you.
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Dude, you should JV with me. My next launch is "Get Google #1 SERPS FREE". We'll make a killing. JV prize is a S600 V12 Mercedes - or what's left of it after I've "reviewed" it.

Second Prize is a set of steak knives.
third prize is...your fired.

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My impression exactly. I get so tired of hearing it's dead easy to cover your ad spend with CPA offers - it just isn't and it takes an experienced marketer to achieve day after day. Like you said, the promotion just gets IM a bad name.

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It's been taken off clickbank now anyway, and off the marketplace all together.

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It's been taken off clickbank now anyway, and off the marketplace all together.
Really? The JV page says "Due to High Demand Sold Out".

Meanwhile Clickbank still sponsor Get Google Ads Free - "Contains *Magic Code* When Added To Any Site Makes Google Pay-Per-Click Ads Costs Go To Zero!"

I disagree with Harlan Kilstein on a lot of stuff but he's dead right with this one - Clickbank needs to get its house in order.

BTW it might be "sold out" but the backdoor is still wide open - letting anyone grab it for free.

hey...now there's an idea for a WSO -

"Get Get FB Ads Free for FREE!



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Any one who participates in a misleading and fraudulent product, including a copy writer is accountable for the fraud being perpetuated. If the person who wrote the copy is not the product creator, ignorance is not an excuse. The FTC would hold "ALL" the people liable.


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Really? The JV page says "Due to High Demand Sold Out".

Meanwhile Clickbank still sponsor Get Google Ads Free - "Contains *Magic Code* When Added To Any Site Makes Google Pay-Per-Click Ads Costs Go To Zero!"

I disagree with Harlan Kilstein on a lot of stuff but he's dead right with this one - Clickbank needs to get its house in order.

BTW it might be "sold out" but the backdoor is still wide open - letting anyone grab it for free.

hey...now there's an idea for a WSO -

"Get Get FB Ads Free for FREE!

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For all those who think it's perfectly OK to make false claims and misrepresent their products - or their clients products - read this info from Advertising and Marketing on the Internet: Rules of the Road | BCP Business Center
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Advertising and Marketing on the Internet: Rules of the Road [PDF]

The Internet is connecting advertisers and marketers to customers from Boston to Bali with text, interactive graphics, video and audio. If you're thinking about advertising on the Internet, remember that many of the same rules that apply to other forms of advertising apply to electronic marketing. These rules and guidelines protect businesses and consumers - and help maintain the credibility of the Internet as an advertising medium. The Federal Trade Commission (FTC) has prepared this guide to give you an overview of some of the laws it enforces.
Advertising must tell the truth and not mislead consumers.
In addition, claims must be substantiated.
GENERAL OFFERS AND CLAIMS
PRODUCTS AND SERVICES


The Federal Trade Commission Act allows the FTC to act in the interest of all consumers to prevent deceptive and unfair acts or practices. In interpreting Section 5 of the Act, the Commission has determined that a representation, omission or practice is deceptive if it is likely to:
  • mislead consumers and
  • affect consumers' behavior or decisions about the product or service.
In addition, an act or practice is unfair if the injury it causes, or is likely to cause, is:
  • substantial
  • not outweighed by other benefits and
  • not reasonably avoidable.
The FTC Act prohibits unfair or deceptive advertising in any medium. That is, advertising must tell the truth and not mislead consumers. A claim can be misleading if relevant information is left out or if the claim implies something that's not true. For example, a lease advertisement for an automobile that promotes "$0 Down" may be misleading if significant and undisclosed charges are due at lease signing.
In addition, claims must be substantiated, especially when they concern health, safety, or performance. The type of evidence may depend on the product, the claims, and what experts believe necessary. If your ad specifies a certain level of support for a claim - "tests show X" - you must have at least that level of support.
Sellers are responsible for claims they make about their products and services. Third parties - such as advertising agencies or website designers and catalog marketers - also may be liable for making or disseminating deceptive representations if they participate in the preparation or distribution of the advertising, or know about the deceptive claims.
  • Advertising agencies or website designers are responsible for reviewing the information used to substantiate ad claims. They may not simply rely on an advertiser's assurance that the claims are substantiated. In determining whether an ad agency should be held liable, the FTC looks at the extent of the agency's participation in the preparation of the challenged ad, and whether the agency knew or should have known that the ad included false or deceptive claims.
  • To protect themselves, catalog marketers should ask for material to back up claims rather than repeat what the manufacturer says about the product. If the manufacturer doesn't come forward with proof or turns over proof that looks questionable, the catalog marketer should see a yellow "caution light" and proceed appropriately, especially when it comes to extravagant performance claims, health or weight loss promises, or earnings guarantees. In writing ad copy, catalogers should stick to claims that can be supported. Most important, catalog marketers should trust their instincts when a product sounds too good to be true.
Other points to consider:
  • Disclaimers and disclosures must be clear and conspicuous. That is, consumers must be able to notice, read or hear, and understand the information. Still, a disclaimer or disclosure alone usually is not enough to remedy a false or deceptive claim.
  • Demonstrations must show how the product will perform under normal use.
  • Refunds must be made to dissatisfied consumers - if you promised to make them.
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Third parties - such as advertising agencies or website designers and catalog marketers - also may be liable for making or disseminating deceptive representations if they participate in the preparation or distribution of the advertising, or know about the deceptive claims........To protect themselves, catalog marketers should ask for material to back up claims rather than repeat what the manufacturer says about the product. If the manufacturer doesn't come forward with proof or turns over proof that looks questionable, the catalog marketer should see a yellow "caution light" and proceed appropriately, especially when it comes to extravagant performance claims, health or weight loss promises, or earnings guarantees. In writing ad copy, catalogers should stick to claims that can be supported. Most important, catalog marketers should trust their instincts when a product sounds too good to be true.
As Rus Sells pointed out above - the copywriter is liable for deceptive practice as well.

Oh yeah...and not forgetting this bit at the bottom of the page -
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If your advertisements don't comply with the law, you could face enforcement actions or civil lawsuits. For advertisers under the FTC's jurisdiction, that could mean:
  • orders to cease and desist, with fines up to $16,000 per violation should they occur.
  • injunctions by federal district courts. Violations of some Commission rules also could result in civil penalties of up to $16,000 per violation. Violations of court orders could result in civil or criminal contempt proceedings.
  • in some instances, refunds to consumers for actual damages in civil lawsuits.



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Yeah me to let's all stick to what we know

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You guys think that's bad?

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holy ****... just when you thought it couldn't get any worse.

I swear, someone or something needs to counteract this crap. It's getting out of control.

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What? I don't get it.

You don't think that's for real?
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What? I don't get it.

You don't think that's for real?
Define real?

Is real like you can't make $600000 by clicking 1 button.

What happens if you push it twice?
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Bizarre thing about that vid is that she never looks at the camera. Just another "Stripped Down Pro".

So here's the $66 Million question - where the hell is the FTC?

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It looks like the videos been redone... last night (I'm in Australia) she didn't look at the camera even once and kept on stuttering. It was just awkward.

I hope whoevers selling this crap gets shut down soon.

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It looks like the videos been redone... last night (I'm in Australia) she didn't look at the camera even once and kept on stuttering. It was just awkward.

I hope whoevers selling this crap gets shut down soon.
You know, I gotta say... legit or not, that is some pretty sweet copy.

I was hooked.

Not surprising, I'm pretty sure the guy/gal who wrote Steve Iser's Commission Crusher assembled this thing, too.

The style, graphics, and even the guarantee are identical.

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