Why Clients suck....

arfasaira · 07-06-2011, 02:36 PM

guys,

I'm really tempted to buy this:

5 Freelancing Mistakes that Have Cost Me at LEAST $105,000 in Lost Fees

anyone bought this and put it into action?

best
Arfa

Cam Connor · 07-06-2011, 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arfasaira

guys,

I'm really tempted to buy this:

5 Freelancing Mistakes that Have Cost Me at LEAST $105,000 in Lost Fees

anyone bought this and put it into action?

best
Arfa

Interesting product, I think the whole "Clients Suck" thing damages their credibility, but overall, I think it could be good.

Stephen Dean · 07-06-2011, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Cam Connor

Interesting product, I think the whole "Clients Suck" thing damages their credibility, but overall, I think it could be good.

It worked for Halbert. Of course, he was Halbert.

Cheers,
Stephen Dean
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Cam Connor · 07-06-2011, 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephen Dean

It worked for Halbert. Of course, he was Halbert.

Cheers,
Stephen Dean
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Lol, that product was endorsed by Gary Halbert? I didn't see that.

Alright, go for it. lol

Stephen Dean · 07-06-2011, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Cam Connor

Lol, that product was endorsed by Gary Halbert? I didn't see that.

Alright, go for it. lol

Ha, no. "Clients Suck" was a famous saying of Halbert.

Freelancers: Do Clients Suck? | Ray Edwards - Copywriter | Spokane, Washington

Cam Connor · 07-06-2011, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Stephen Dean

Ha, no. "Clients Suck" was a famous saying of Halbert.

Freelancers: Do Clients Suck? | Ray Edwards - Copywriter | Spokane, Washington

Ahh, OK, I need to brush up on my Halbert.

Thanks for the link!

Mark Andrews · 07-06-2011, 05:46 PM

$97 will buy a good few monkfish.

arfasaira · 07-06-2011, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete Walker

$97 will buy a good few monkfish.

LOL! I thought fish and chips were more your thing!

Mark Andrews · 07-06-2011, 05:56 PM

Bass, ling or monkfish.

This product...

Let's give you a grilling then...

Why do you want to buy it?

What perceived problem will it solve for you?

What frustration do you have that right now you need a solution for?

Can you not find the answer you need from elsewhere?

If you're exceptionally busy, booked out solid as you know you are at the moment, will buying this new product help or hinder your progress right now to get everything else done?

Not a criticism as you know, just curious...

Joe Robinson · 07-06-2011, 05:59 PM

I wasn't overly amazed by the sales copy or testimonials. It probably isn't anything that you couldn't learn in this very section. I also don't like products that advertise "Avoid blah blah blah mistakes." Mistakes are going to happen regardless. You NEED them to be successful.

arfasaira · 07-06-2011, 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete Walker

Bass, ling or monkfish.

This product...

Let's give you a grilling then...

Why do you want to buy it?

What perceived problem will it solve for you?

What frustration do you have that right now you need a solution for?

Can you not find the answer you need from elsewhere?

If you're exceptionally busy, booked out solid as you know you are at the moment, will buying this new product help or hinder your progress right now to get everything else done?

Not a criticism as you know, just curious...

well I did want to buy to see if this could teach me anything new and so I could start charging much more...but as Joe128139 points out, I'll learn more from the forum....

...admittedly, I'm a sucker for information...you should see my library, I LOVE books and reading and unfortunately am every marketer's dream...

Each year my book collection and digital book collection grows bigger and bigger and gather dust (some of it digital) in the hope that one day I'll have the time to read it all!

....perhaps I should change the title from 'why client's suck' to just plain 'sucker!'

arfasaira · 07-06-2011, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe128139

I wasn't overly amazed by the sales copy or testimonials. It probably isn't anything that you couldn't learn in this very section. I also don't like products that advertise "Avoid blah blah blah mistakes." Mistakes are going to happen regardless. You NEED them to be successful.

I committed the cardinal sin of only reading the bullet points and testimonials.....!

But thanks because you just saved me $97!

Stephen Dean · 07-06-2011, 06:35 PM

I haven't bought it. Maybe I should, but I've been in business nearly 8 years so I feel I have a handle on things.

If I were getting started though, I wouldn't hesitate at all. I know Michel Fortin is a copywriting genius and he's one of the few testimonials. Michel has singled out Jason Leister (the creator) for putting out awesome content. And JF Straw is a genius in his own right.

If you're just getting started, I bet it's way more than worth it.

Cheers,
Stephen Dean

ewenmack · 07-06-2011, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by arfasaira

....perhaps I should change the title from 'why client's suck' to just plain 'sucker!'

Arfa, there is a lesson right there...how to write a sales piece that appeals to other copywriters and to those who fear that they might miss out on something that others know.

Best,
Ewen

max5ty · 07-06-2011, 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arfasaira

guys,

I'm really tempted to buy this:

5 Freelancing Mistakes that Have Cost Me at LEAST $105,000 in Lost Fees

anyone bought this and put it into action?

best
Arfa

I was snooping around the site trying to find out who was even offering the video. The only way I found out was in a testimonial (Leister).

That was a big turn off to me since I really didn't know who was "talking" trying to sell me these secrets - I suspect that was probably on purpose though because of low name recognition.

Overall, the letter will probably pull some pretty good sales.

I suspect he paid Fortin for consultation and coaching services - thus the testimonial from Fortin, and Sylvie Fortin who I believe is his wife.

If you click on some of the links at the top of that page, you can get some tips on dealing with clients for free.

Edited: Either I need new glasses, or that name and signature were added after I made my comment - oh well, who knows, maybe I'm just getting old

Rezbi · 07-06-2011, 08:06 PM

Jason Leister knows his stuff. The products he has put out have been solid.

Dean Jackson · 07-07-2011, 05:17 AM

I paid for the webinar and watched the replay. Most of it is fairly basic stuff that you would know if you've done this for a while (like a 1-2 years). It was a good refresher course and although it was 80 minutes long, still has some gold nuggets everyone should know of. Hope this helps! Dean

LudwigLearns · 07-07-2011, 05:39 AM

good thing i read the comments first. saved me 97$ XD

Hardy Chou · 07-07-2011, 10:28 AM

Halbert did it because he wanted to pre-qualify his clients by letting them know what kind of clients he does NOT want. This made him look as if he didn't need any clients which is precisely what he had intended to do in the very first place. Because when he didn't look starving for clients, more clients would come to him. Whoever has will be given more; whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephen Dean

It worked for Halbert. Of course, he was Halbert.

Cheers,
Stephen Dean
Copywriting Dean | Copywriter Stephen Dean Talks Advertising

GuerrillaIM · 07-07-2011, 10:32 AM

Dan Kennedy has written a lot of stuff on training clients to make your life easier. Reading it changed my professional life and led to my first real taste of success without stress.

If you go to amazon you can probably grab some of his books for less than $5.

yibanbana · 07-07-2011, 08:13 PM

It probably isn't anything that you couldn't learn in this very section. I also don't like products that advertise "Avoid blah blah blah mistakes." Mistakes are going to happen regardless.

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Mark Andrews SmokingHotCopy@gmail.com War Room Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: In Somebody Else's Shoes Posts: 1,685 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 1,587 Thanked 1,332 Times in 722 Posts Contact Info	Re: Why Clients suck.... Bass, ling or monkfish. This product... Let's give you a grilling then... Why do you want to buy it? What perceived problem will it solve for you? What frustration do you have that right now you need a solution for? Can you not find the answer you need from elsewhere? If you're exceptionally busy, booked out solid as you know you are at the moment, will buying this new product help or hinder your progress right now to get everything else done? Not a criticism as you know, just curious...
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