Hiring a copywriter for a sales page

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Originally Posted by Scoke

What seems unfair is giving the copywriter all the money upfront with no risk on his/her part...

It's not unfair. It's simply paying for a service. No more and no less.

And if you're paying upfront you can arrange for no overrides and assume all the rewards.

But getting money up front is guaranteeing that worse case, the copywriter who knows his value is NOT going to end up working for free.

You have to understand that many people simply won't do enough to even uncover whether or not the copy works. In fact, you could give 99% of people a proven website and sales page (when it's brand new)... and they won't know what to do with it. For example, you could give them any cb #1 best seller... websites, sales page, product... and go there a year later and you'll see a parked domain page.

Does that not make sense? If you knew with conviction you could generate results... why would you be open to working with an unproven stranger with no money upfront? Anyone who does that is gotta be hard up for money or delusional.

Now, if we're talking about a client who has a proven track record and has already had success... totally different story. You can definitely find a solid copywriter... Who you can get just depends on how much success you've had and how well you negotiate.

Finally... I will say it is possible for someone in your shoes to find someone good with no money up front but you need to have an eye for talent. With the person you're looking for, the results they're inevitably going to produce haven't manifested yet... So if you can spot good copy and catch them before their worth is proven... it's possible... Just a lot more difficult because most good copywriters aren't open to this because of reasons I mentioned.

Good luck

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Originally Posted by Mark Andrews

On the first point in bold above, names please? Are you prepared to back up your statement? Why do you state such a thing as categorical fact? (Btw there's a d on the end of 'surprised'.)

2nd point in bold... Who was left out? Proven names from this forum?

3rd point in bold... I did state from 'this forum'. Perhaps you missed this point?

4th point in bold... I didn't state that this list was the be all and end all.

I'm sorry Team X who are you, only I've never seen you posting here before yet you seem pretty determined to cast a shadow on some of the names in that list... would you care to give a reason for your remarks or sudden apparent interest in this thread of all threads since obviously you consider your voice one to be heard?

"due your own diligence as always"...

??? Pardon?

Guess it depends upon who is doing the proving, eh ? I'm thrilled by some of the folks who have given me testimonials for my copy critiques.

I suffered my own form of "Google Slap" back in 2008, when the forum software changed. All my many, many posts that I had contributed to the copywriting forum ... became relegated to archives, where people never see them any more.

It kinda de-motivated me from coming around and posting content, advice, critiques and reviews, any more.

While doing some research, I happened upon this thread -- so I apologize to those who have wished that it would die.

Sometime, when I get more time, I'm going to come back and read the thread in detail. It sounds like a vibrant, intelligent, and worthwhile discussion for copywriters and people who would like to hire copywriters.

Maybe I'll even come around to this forum again, sooner.

Take care, folks, and keep up the great work!

Live JoyFully!

Judy