dont read if easily offended Selling WSOs is Like Selling Candybars With A Sprinkle Of Crack On Them

[JasonParker]

Do any copywriters in here want an extra thousands per month side income while spending about 1 hour a day at your computer?

It actually takes less than an hour per day after you get in a rhythm.

How this works goes all the way back to the Gary Halbert hungry market thing.

One time he took it even further when he told a story that went something like this...

Let's say you were trying to pick up a chick in a bar.

And that particular night all the best womanizers were there and competing with you.

All for the same girl.

They all took their turn flattering her and trying to get her to go home with them.

They used all the best lines.

They let it all hang out.

They used every trick in the book.

But they couldn't seem to "bag" her, as they would say.

Then comes your turn.

You're not a womanizer.

You haven't learned a damn thing from Mystery.

You've never picked up a chick in your life.

Except you have some specialized knowledge about this girl.

You happen to know through a friend of a friend that...

This girl is a cocaine addict.

And right now she's dying for a fix.

When you approach her you don't go through the same smooth talking the other guys did.

You didn't use any sub conscious gestures (or whatever these womanizers are supposed to do).

You only walked up to her and you said one line:

"I've got some coke, so you wanna go do some?"

That one line alone gets the girl to come home with you.

With the internet marketing strategy I'm talking about, it's really similar... except no drugs are involved. Drugs are bad. My brother died from them and I don't suggest anyone doing them.

...And it's especially true with the variety of products you can tap into by promoting WSOs as an affiliate.

You don't have to do much selling...

In fact the copy can be absolute crap on what you're selling...

IF you have specialized knowledge in what your list wants.

What are they already dying to get their hands on?

Sure you might be head-over-heels in love with the subject of copywriting like I am, but most people aren't.

In fact very little are among the masses.

Trying to convince people to buy what you think they should buy is selling against the current.

As much as you believe in it... as much as you like it... people already know what they want.

They already have a plan.

They already have a strategy set in place about the kind of thing they're going to buy.

Just like the girl at the bar.

You didn't have to persuade her.

You didn't have to educate her on why doing coke with you is going to be the greatest experience of her life.

You didn't even have to be enthusiastic.

All you needed to have was something she wants more than anything else right at this very moment.

[The Copy Nazi]

So your bait was "Do any copywriters in here want an extra thousands (stet) per month side income while spending about 1 hour a day at your computer?"

And your answer? Something to do with promoting WSOs as an affiliate. To your list.

Except its not very clear is it. And very hypey.

[JasonParker]

Originally Posted by The Copy Nazi

So your bait was "Do any copywriters in here want an extra thousands (stet) per month side income while spending about 1 hour a day at your computer?"

And your answer? Something to do with promoting WSOs as an affiliate. To your list.

Except its not very clear is it. And very hypey.

The masses want SEO stuff and free traffic.

They REALLY want a website that sits there and makes them money.

They don't want to have a list.

They don't want to have to sell.

They want Google to make it rain traffic on their sites.

They don't want what makes the most money even if you do... paid traffic training, sales training, webinar training... SOME do... but the majority doesn't.

They already have an idea of what they want to accomplish and how they want to do it.

If you give them what they're already after then it's a smooth sale.

If you try to educate them into buying something that's not already aligned with their buying strategy, then it can be done but it's an uphill battle because you have to try to create the motivation in them.

So here's your 3-step formula for making thousands of extra dollars per month (no guarantees).

Step 1: Run a free WSO every day to build a list from Warrior Forum.

Step 2: Promote what they are already looking to buy.

Step 3: Deposit profits into your bank account.

[travlinguy]

I guess single sentence paragraphs are in these days. Ugh.

[JasonParker]

Originally Posted by travlinguy

I guess single sentence paragraphs are in these days. Ugh.

Wow... tough crowd.

[JasonParker]

You know... it doesn't matter if this kind of information is written upside down, sideways, on a napkin, or if you have decipher it with a damn gadget you get in a cracker jack box.

It's a 5 figure per year income strategy handed to you guys on a silver platter.

Take it or leave it.

I get nothing out of sharing this stuff with you except for headaches... so...

PEACE!

[JakeDaly]

Y'know, I never even thought to apply the theories behind copywriting to picking up a coke whore.

But you're absolutely right, that's interesting.

[The Copy Nazi]

Originally Posted by JasonParker

I get nothing out of sharing this stuff with you except for headaches... so...

PEACE!

It could be argued you've posted this just to get eyes to the WSO in your signature.

[travlinguy]

Originally Posted by JasonParker

Wow... tough crowd.

Jason, not my intention to be a smartass or difficult. I understand exactly what your point is. I've had a real taste of the success you're describing.

But the model you present goes against my grain. Why? I'm not real fond of the MMO market. They're fickle. They're not grounded. They're unrealistic. There's a high refund rate. There’s a very high unsubscribe rate in list building. There's a very high incidence of product "sharing" or piracy.

To sell to this crowd I find I have to dance way too close to the edge of the truth. And if you don’t present your stuff with a lot of puffery and flat out bullsh*t your offer gets lost in all the freakin’ noise.

I've pretty much always felt this way about MMO. But I had a taste of glory last summer with a WSO and thought I could hold my nose and go with it anyway. But then I came back to reality. It's just not for me. I feel weird writing copy for this market.

I understand that there's a neutral zone from which to operate as a marketer, one that allows me to sleep at night. But I choose to market to a more reasonable, realistic crowd. I know there’s a LOT of money to be made with MMO. But there’s a lot to be made in plenty of other markets as well.

I’m sure your post will resonate with plenty of people here. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

[BrianMcLeod]

Originally Posted by The Copy Nazi

It could be argued you've posted this just to get eyes to the WSO in your signature.

Except those of us who know JP know better. Dude buys his traffic all day every day.

Jason's one of the coolest cats I know in IM, and a tremendous connector of influential people.

Jason has introduced me to so many cool folks for no other reason than because he knows we'll like each other.

He's one of the good guys, how 'bout everyone put their light sabers away?

Brian

[Bill Jeffels]

I love that Gary Halbert story.

I believe it was a Micheal Fortin interview he did with Gary when I first heard it. Could of been one of the copywriting seminar's of Gary's.

Anyway, It makes sense to me.


Bill Jeffels



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[JasonParker]

Thanks Mac Daddy McLeod.

If you guys think I'm sharing this info for any other reason than just to help you in any way I can, then take a look below.

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I've been selling affiliate products for over 15 years now, so I'm beginning to get the hang of it.

Yet, I'm very teachable, and I learn from my peers who market so effectively that they leave me wondering WHY I wanted to buy from them.

Of all of the marketers out there, Jason Parker is the one who consistently makes "A TON" in affiliate commissions each month... ethically, and without the hype or trickery.

I watch this guy like a hawk, and I admit to copying more than one thing that I've seen him do... because I knew that it worked.

I knew that it worked because it worked on ME :-)

If you want to actually make a TON of affiliate sales, get this report, and then put what he teaches to immediate use!

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Do you think I really care about getting a couple leads a day through my signature?

I'm on this forum because I love the subject of advertising and copywriting.

[Dominis Marketing]

Yes, Jason is one of the good guys round here. Been on his webinars several times and got value and techniques without even spending a dime.

Jason keep up the good work man.

[JasonParker]

Originally Posted by Dominis Marketing

Yes, Jason is one of the good guys round here. Been on his webinars several times and got value and techniques without even spending a dime.

Jason keep up the good work man.

Thanks man.

I went through that little webinar phase and I wanted to do a webinar per day.

That was my plan.

But... Like this post, you don't get much in return when you have the "I want to help you" attitude.

As much as I like to help people like you, you represent a very small % of internet marketers (like the rest of us on the copywriting forum).

What makes money is giving people what they want. And it actually makes them happy.

So I guess you can either try to help people by trying to offer them what you think they need, and you don't make much money, and you make them unhappy.

Or you can find out what people want and offer it to them, and make a bunch of money, and make them happy.

EVEN if you know for a fact that they would be better off with what you think they need.

[Dominis Marketing]

Originally Posted by JasonParker

But... Like this post, you don't get much in return when you have the "I want to help you" attitude.

Nyahh..don't mind some of the warriors. Maybe they just have their monthly period

One thing that I can't forget about Jason is when he and Paul Barrs gave the webinar on the list building funnel and continued on discussing as real people after the presentation.

I remember Robert and Lance reminding you guys that you were still on air.

He got my respect then because I knew I was dealing with authentic people and not just some ordinary marketers.

Anyways...for the folks out there I got one specific tactic from Jason on list building via safe-swaps that got us $752 in one month on OTO after sign-ups on a free guide.

The safe-swaps subscription was just $29 per month so the funnel paid up for itself and more. Ooops shouldn't have talked too much

[tomokun]

Couldn't agree more Jason! Nice post!

[kaidaiah]

Thanks for the post, it made good sense and sounds like a great technique. Wonder why it got so much negative sentiment towards the beginning.

I thought your analogy about the crackwhore was ingenious. So what are you thoughts about the type of FREE WSO that would get the most Opt-In's? Traffic Generation or SEO training?

[CharismaticMannequin]

A few things..

One...just 'cos you coaxed a girl into coming back to yours for drugs, doesn't necessarily mean she's automatically going to wanna sleep with you. Just saying.

Two. If you don't have drugs, and she gets back to yours and finds out, she's gonna leave.

Three. Drugs are damn stupid.

Now, I know it was an analogy, but a pretty weak one if you ask me. That being said, I can see where you're coming from. Just try and make it clearer next time.

Ben.

[verneir]

Originally Posted by The Copy Nazi

So your bait was "Do any copywriters in here want an extra thousands (stet) per month side income while spending about 1 hour a day at your computer?"

And your answer? Something to do with promoting WSOs as an affiliate. To your list.

Except its not very clear is it. And very hypey.

Not to mention most of these WSOs are little more than the same thing you've already seen 800 times before. And the list holders are incredibly abusive, and spam you with a lot of low value BS.

People once upon a time sold "miracle tonics" that cured anything and everything, except.. really.. nothing. Some of them made a lot of money, too.

In short.. for those of you who are new around here, be real careful with the WSOs. After you've bought/read 5 or 10 of them.. you could probably pick up 2 or 3 a year after that, and not miss a thing from the 1,000 you passed up.

[cypherslock]

Originally Posted by JasonParker

You know... it doesn't matter if this kind of information is written upside down, sideways, on a napkin, or if you have decipher it with a damn gadget you get in a cracker jack box.

It's a 5 figure per year income strategy handed to you guys on a silver platter.

Take it or leave it.

I get nothing out of sharing this stuff with you except for headaches... so...

PEACE!

You get no headaches from me. Thank you! Good lesson there and so obvious you don't see it at first. Please, keep sharing

[JasonParker]

Originally Posted by CharismaticMannequin

Now, I know it was an analogy, but a pretty weak one if you ask me. That being said, I can see where you're coming from. Just try and make it clearer next time.

Well it was an analogy created by the greatest copywriter who ever lived, so you can blame him lol

[JasonParker]

Originally Posted by kaidaiah

I thought your analogy about the crackwhore was ingenious. So what are you thoughts about the type of FREE WSO that would get the most Opt-In's? Traffic Generation or SEO training?

I've got 6 different ones on 6 different subjects and they all get similar results.

But I will say this...

Don't slack just because it's a free WSO.

You still have to "sell" it.

Not saying it should be long copy or something, but...

A big promise is good.

Proof elements are good.

Bullets are good.

A call to action is good.

[JasonParker]

Originally Posted by verneir

Not to mention most of these WSOs are little more than the same thing you've already seen 800 times before. And the list holders are incredibly abusive, and spam you with a lot of low value BS.

People once upon a time sold "miracle tonics" that cured anything and everything, except.. really.. nothing. Some of them made a lot of money, too.

In short.. for those of you who are new around here, be real careful with the WSOs. After you've bought/read 5 or 10 of them.. you could probably pick up 2 or 3 a year after that, and not miss a thing from the 1,000 you passed up.

Another Gary Halbert bit of wisdom is... "Concentrate on selling the foxes and don't worry about offending the dogs"

Your attitude represents the dog.

I'm just sayin...

[The Copy Nazi]

There are some decent WSOs - amongst the schlock. I recently recommended Rob Jones "Viral Conversion" to my list - unaffiliated.

If you want to flog WSOs - and yeah I'm sure you can make some money at it (not sure about "thousands per month" though) check out this site for upcoming WSOs - Warrior JV

[JasonParker]

Originally Posted by The Copy Nazi

If you want to flog WSOs - and yeah I'm sure you can make some money at it (not sure about "thousands per month" though) check out this site for upcoming WSOs - Warrior JV

Just as the Nazis were wrong about how they were going to win WWII as they brutally massacred millions of innocent people and tried taking over the world, this guy is no expert at affiliate marketing and with nothing to back up what he says...

I just did a quick divide and I made $3,969 per month on average last year just as an affiliate for WSOs. I'll probably do double that this year... because last year I want to say WSO affiliate programs just started coming around in June or so.

(And without "flogging"... what does that mean? A fake blog or something? I've been talking about building an opt-in e-mail list and marketing to it.)

[The Copy Nazi]

Originally Posted by JasonParker

Just as the Nazis were wrong about how they were going to win WWII as they brutally massacred millions of innocent people and tried taking over the world, this guy is no expert at affiliate marketing and with nothing to back up what he says...

I just did a quick divide and I made $3,969 per month on average last year just as an affiliate for WSOs. I'll probably do double that this year... because last year I want to say WSO affiliate programs just started coming around in June or so.

(And without "flogging"... what does that mean? A fake blog or something? I've been talking about building an opt-in e-mail list and marketing to it.)

Dude - the "Nazi" thing alludes to "The Soup Nazi" from Seinfeld - look it up. "Flog" is slang for sell - again, look it up. You have no idea whether "this guy" is "no expert at affiliate marketing" or anything else for that matter. You're assuming too much.

Good for you if you made thousands off flogging WSOs. Why don't you tell the campers how you did it? Give them the details. Like how big a list? Did you find the offers on WSOPro or the link I posted above?

So, instead of bragging and bleating (stet) about the bush - show people step by step how they can make the thousands a month for an hour a day or whatever it was in your original post.

And stop being so precious at reading things into what people are posting here. We all have a right to comment. Its called a "forum" for a reason.

You started this. Now finish it off. Tell us exactly how you're making this manna. How do you choose a hot WSO for starters?

And BTW even if it were Gary Halbert himself who made the original post I would have said the same thing. So its nothing personal.

BTW I find it strange that you use drug allusions when you've lost a brother to drugs. Especially in your post heading.

[sethczerepak]

I think we should have regular MMA style fight conventions for copywriters so they can get their brawl on in person.

[BrianMcLeod]

Originally Posted by sethczerepak

I think we should have regular MMA style fight conventions for copywriters so they can get their brawl on in person.

Never works out.. we always end up drinking beer and playing card tricks.

[monkeytrousers]

You had me at hot girls and cocaine!

Seriously, I get it. I have been trying forever to show people a better way and have gone just about as far as i can go with that. Perhaps you give people what they initially seek, but then you slip in some higher callings when they aren't looking?

[DougBarger]

Yeah Jason,

Don't take what he said personally bro. A couple of years ago a respected warrior created a thread asking for warrior recommendations of copywriters who provided
kick-ass results.

An associate pointed me to the thread link where to my surprise, about 3 of my clients had posted about the results I created for them and recommended me
as the go-to copywriter.

It wasn't long before the particular dissenter posted something along the lines that any kind of thread asking for warrior recommendations could be gamed and that no one should believe them because there are scams on the internet.

Did I feel personally insulted at first? Yes.

But, it didn't bother me in the slightest because it was obvious to most
what had happened:

1. Warriors asked for recommendations
2. Warriors recommended my copywriting services in response

The market had spoken.

The original intent of the thread had been honored by most.

I had already enjoyed countless positive feedback from satisfied copywriting clients
here at the forum years before the dissenter became a member.

There was no way he could have known that simply because he didn't have the
experience yet. So let it slide like water off a duck's back.

The fact I work mostly by referral and am somewhat reserved and reclusive by nature
means I was busier producing results for clients instead of trying to get them.

I know the reason you mentioned the analogy by Halbert was because
of the point it made...it had nothing to do with your brother and I hurt for you
when I read someone bringing up something that was obviously personally painful
for you and questioning your content about it. I remember that time and I'm sorry
you had to read that here.

Generally, I believe some honestly just don't realize the benefits of thinking before they post or realize how bad or when their remarks miss the mark.

Doesn't mean I'm going to hunt them down and split their wig for the insult on principle or even have someone else do it. Doesn't mean they'll never work in show business again.

Unless it's personally geared toward attacking me, my family, my clients or my business,
then I chalk it up to just an innocent rookie mistake on their part and leave it be.

Folks like you and me usually don't have the time to talk turkey anyway because
we're busy enjoying the lifestyles our results have created for us and/or helping others do the same.

In that spirit, we continue to provide value to those who appreciate it because it's what we do and let the critics, naysayers and never-do-wells dig their own pit.

It all washes out in the end.

And you already know that.

I like the twist on the story.

I thought it was heroin and a hot blonde instead of crack for a crackwhore.

Either way, the same point gets across.

Yeah, copywriter's mma could be fun.

Brian's got a good point though.

And...

One sentence paragraphs will always be in style
as long as readers use their eyes.

Heck,

One word paragraphs work best for certain situations.

[JasonParker]

Originally Posted by The Copy Nazi

So, instead of bragging

If you think I made this post on here to brag then that's YOUR belief... but it ain't reality.

Those who know me know better than that.

All I'm trying to do is help people on here make a side income along with their copywriting.

And the only reason why I'm even arguing with you is not to get into a pissing contest with you, because no one wins those.

I'm arguing with you because what you're saying will lead people astray if they listen to you.

You may be an expert at copywriting and that's great.

I don't pretend to be an expert at copywriting or anything else.

Except I am an expert at one thing.

And that one thing is affiliate marketing.

And you're not.

So quit pretending like you have a clue about it and quit trying to lead people astray with your misinformation.

By the way, you don't understand this quote in your sig: "By offending nobody, you impassion nobody" - Gary Halbert

Gary Halbert didn't intentionally try to offend people.

[JasonParker]

Originally Posted by DougBarger

Yeah Jason,

Don't take what he said personally bro. A couple of years ago a respected warrior created a thread asking for warrior recommendations of copywriters who provided
kick-ass results..

It seriously doesn't bother me Doug lol... (No good deed goes unpunished.)

I don't want to fight with anyone...

All I care about is the kind of thing this guy thinks he knows about and what effect that'll happen on others if they should listen to him.

He has no credibility in this matter and if you listen to him, you'll be broke.

That's all I'm saying.

[The Copy Nazi]

Originally Posted by JasonParker

So quit pretending like you have a clue about it and quit trying to lead people astray with your misinformation.

By the way, you don't understand this quote in your sig: "By offending nobody, you impassion nobody" - Gary Halbert

Gary Halbert didn't intentionally try to offend people.

I wouldn't be much of an IM copywriter if I didn't have more than a clue about affiliate marketing. But you're welcome to your assumptions about my expertise. What "misinformation" would that be? I'm trying to get you to expound on your original (muddy) statement of "Hey there's gold in them there WSO hills!". But apparently you want to keep your modus operandi to yourself.

As for not understanding the Halbert quote. Oh I get it. But it appears to have flown right over the top of your expert head.

Halbert on political correctness and drunks, dope fiends, millionaires, iconoclasts, and laid-back tolerant folks who don't give a **** about anything -

Have you noticed I always identify my location as South, North, East or West of "Jewfish Creek"? That's because I measure wherever I am in life (geographically) in relation to how far away I am from Jewfish Creek.
And what or where is "Jewfish Creek"?
There's an 18-mile stretch of U.S. Highway 1 which runs east and west from Florida's mainland peninsula to Key Largo. Key Largo is the northernmost piece of land which starts off the chain of islands called "The Florida Keys". Underneath this 18-mile stretch of highway is a one-mile long saltwater "creek". There's a drawbridge over this water so large boats can get through and continue the 120-mile journey down to Key West.
Now for a bit of science: There's a voracious grouper which grows to more than six feet long and its scientific name is "Epinephelus Itajara". It's a lurking bottom-feeder and is so sluggish, countless divers have posed for undersea snapshots with it. The common name for this creature is "Jewfish".
Since they are sometimes found in the geographic area we are discussing, someone decided (years ago) to name that one-mile long saltwater creek "Jewfish Creek".
People in the Keys think of the 18-mile stretch of road that runs over Jewfish Creek as the "Southern Mason Dixon Line". You see, generally speaking, people who live south of Jewfish Creek are drunks, dope fiends, millionaires, iconoclasts, and laid-back tolerant folks who don't give a **** about anything.
Generally speaking, the people who live north of Jewfish Creek are hyper-active, over-caffeinated, dysfunctional, Latino imbeciles who conduct their lives like a bunch of chickens who've had their heads cut off.
By the way, it turns out a Washington, D.C. area resident, Arcomcanold G. Conheim has objected to using the word "Jew" in any form other than a noun. He states when "Jew" is used otherwise, it is derogatory. This lunatic is actually part of a growing group who wants to change the name "Jewfish" to "Goliath Grouper".
I can tell you this: Whatever the politically-correct groups decide, those of us whose hearts and souls reside in the Florida Keys will always think of a Epinephelus Itajara as a Jewfish. This fish has been known as a Jewfish for centuries and, to the 80,000 residents of the Keys, it will ever be so.
Conheim also considers the name "Jewfish Creek" offensive illustrating he is one more example of political correctness gone haywire. What if it was named "Baptist Creek" or "Methodist Creek" or "Catholic Creek" or "Presbyterian Creek"? Do you think somebody would be all lathered up about those names? I don't think so either.
And just for the record, none of my Jewish friends have ever told me they were ashamed of being referred to as a Jew. Or, that they were offended by having something referred to as Jewish; such as a Jewish colony, a Jewish tradition, a Jewish meal or anything else.
Oh wait! Maybe I should re-think this! Maybe we should name it "Yasser Arafat Creek" or "Osama Bin Laden Creek" or "Adolph Hitler Creek" or (this would truly make me ill), "George Bush Creek". Whatever.
I intend to live out my life identifying my geographic location in relation to where it is from my beloved Jewfish Creek. And that's that.

Yeah Halbert didn't set out to offend people...just as I don't...but inevitably some people take offense. I could care less. Those that get it - really get it - those that don't, I wouldn't want to work with anyway.

BTW one contemporary definition of "nazi" is

nazi - derogatory term for a person who is fanatically dedicated to, or seeks to control, some activity, practice, etc.

Add "copy" and you get someone who is fanatically dedicated to copywriting.

Voila. So long, and thanks for all the fish.

[JasonParker]

Originally Posted by The Copy Nazi

I wouldn't be much of an IM copywriter if I didn't have more than a clue about affiliate marketing. But you're welcome to your assumptions about my expertise. What "misinformation" would that be? I'm trying to get you to expound on your original (muddy) statement of "Hey there's gold in them there WSO hills!". But apparently you want to keep your modus operandi to yourself.

As for not understanding the Halbert quote. Oh I get it it. But it appears to have flown right over the top of your expert head.

Halbert on political correctness and drunks, dope fiends, millionaires, iconoclasts, and laid-back tolerant folks who don't give a **** about anything - Yeah Halbert didn't set out to offend people...just as I don't...but inevitably some people take offense. I could care less. Those that get it - really get it - those that don't, I wouldn't want to work with anyway.

BTW one contemporary definition of "nazi" is Add "copy" and you get someone who is fanatically dedicated to copywriting.

Voila. So long, and thanks for all the fish.

OK Copy Nazi...

Let's just say you're right and I'm wrong.

I'm done with this "nuttuh/yahuh" conversation.

It makes us both look like jackasses.

Peace!

Good times...

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