Copywriter is needed - Sales page

[barakos9]

Hi,

I need a Copywriter that knows about wedding niche,
The task will be writing my landing page ( sales copy ) I've launched a new eBook (thebibleofthebride.com) that is a wedding planning guide, starting from planning till the honeymoon itself. I need a copywriter that has experience with landing pages specially "wedding" pages and can make me a productive and focused landing page.

I know some of you don't work with cost per word but my page should be short and focus, not extremely short but focused. About 2000 words will be enough I think.

let me know if someone is interested.

Thanks

[dorothydot]

Uh, no offense but... didn't you get enough responses in your previous post under "Need a professional landing pages copy writer barakos9"? Several people posted some good comments to help you; this one seems perhaps a tad redundant?

[David Raybould]

Dot you stole the words straight from my mouth lol...

[Tom2009]

Same as Dot.. i wonder.. why have you opened a new thread for the same question...?

[barakos9]

Hi Guys,

No I'm still looking for a copywriter for my landing page..is that forbidden?
I'm not asking question , I'm looking to hire someone (:

so anyone?

[David Raybould]

If you aren't getting responses,
it may be because of your low
post count, and the lack of info
in the post.

Might be a good idea to check
out some of the signatures here.

There are ton of good writers
here on the forum, and most of
us are only an email away...

-David Raybould

[Ken Strong]

Another problem might be that it sounds like you're insisting the writer specifically have experience with the wedding niche already, which is going to eliminate almost everybody from consideration.

[Cherilyn Woodhouse]

Ken - Not everyone, I have written in the wedding niche - but judging from his last thread, he can't afford me...

I would be interested to see if you found someone that fits your requirements, though.

[Daniel Scott]

The other problem is you're telling the copywriter how long the page should be.

Big mistake.

Any decent copywriter knows the page is as long as it has to be. True, in offline advertising my understanding is it can be somewhat of a factor, but online there's no cost per page so you just write in whichever way will sell the most product.

Your copywriter should be an expert on how to sell - and if they're any good, they'll do the necessary research to sell stuff in the wedding niche even if they've never written anything on the subject before.

So, to summarize:

Don't mention length, because you honestly have no idea how much it'll take unless you're a good copywriter (and it's obvious from your posts that you're not)

Be prepared to pay at least a couple of thousand, probably more

Then get out of the way and let the copywriter do their thing

Not sure if $2 - 3 000 is within your budget (I'm guessing not) but that's pretty much "ground zero" for most copywriters.

-Dan

[Cherilyn Woodhouse]

barakos9 - If you're still having trouble finding someone, feel free to contact me I may be able to help you find the right copywriter. Visit my website for contact details!

[barakos9]

Thanks guys for your comments,
I really need someone good, I'll listen to your suggestion ans stop looking for someone that knows specifically writing a wedding niche pages, I also stop limiting the words count.
I've a landing page - thebibleofthebride.com , but I really think it's not good and focused enough, it might sell some copies but it won't convert like hell..
I'm looking for someone with the right experience and abilities to rewrite the page,and help me to make it a great selling page.

As for the budget I really think you need indicate your price per word, it will help me to assess the final price, and then decide if I would like to get into it.


P.M

I still can't send PM so please indicate your mail id.
Thanks

[barakos9]

I can't send you emails,
Please write send me PM with your email id, the one in your site is not wrong

[MontelloMarketing]

Barakos, Barakos, Barakos...

Originally Posted by barakos9

Thanks guys for your comments,
I really need someone good, I'll listen to your suggestion ans stop looking for someone that knows specifically writing a wedding niche pages, I also stop limiting the words count.

Okay, you want someone good. I'll do it. The price for the sales letter is... hold on I'll get to that in a second.

I've a landing page - thebibleofthebride.com , but I really think it's not good and focused enough, it might sell some copies but it won't convert like hell...
I'm looking for someone with the right experience and abilities to rewrite the page,and help me to make it a great selling page.

Aaah... landing page? Or selling page? Not the same thing really. What you want is a sales letter. Repeat that after me... "Sales letter."

As for the budget I really think you need indicate your price per word, it will help me to assess the final price, and then decide if I would like to get into it.

Copywriters don't give a "per word" price. Those are content writers... or page fillers as I call them.

You want me? Cough up $13,000.00 and I'll write a letter that will blow your socks off.

Can't afford that?

See... that's why you need to post with a budget. Then copywriters who are within your budget will respond to you. See?

I know you can't afford me. I was only kidding when I offered. I was trying to make a point.

You have a product and a website and you want to make money with it.

Well... HOW MUCH DO YOU HAVE TO SPEND to help make that happen?

$1,000?

$3,000?

$7,000?

Between 3-7 grand is realistic if you're looking for a proven copywriter.

You may find a deal... find a wildly underpriced newbie who has some writing chops... and get them for $1-2K...

But again... no one here knows who you're looking for!

Be specific... be upfront... be direct and you'll find someone. Otherwise this just continues to be a thread that goes on and on and on.

And do yourself a favor... if you thought copywriting was like article writing and were expecting to get someone for a few hundred dollars...

Rethink this.

Maybe you need a partner with some money. Or... spend the next couple months learning the basics of copywriting and do it yourself. Then spend a few more months perfecting the letter.

Because hiring a content/article/page filler writer and expect them to write direct response marketing materials is like hiring a plumber to engineer your entire house.

This post was not meant to be mean... just to slap you in the face with some reality.

[barakos9]

Thank you all...
I'm still looking for someone with realistic prices..
Meaning $80-$100 for rewriting my page (bibleofthebride.com),
some of the content should be removed and some should be changed,
This is my budget , if someone here at this forum wants this job please PM your price and offer and we'll go from there.
I still think writing should be a cheaper service then $13,000
Really at that price I'll buy a page that makes more then monthly $1000 without doing anything except buying the page.

Waiting for your offers

Thanks

[Cherilyn Woodhouse]

barakos - As Vin said, no real copywriter is going to price per word. The reality of it is, in copywriting, some words are worth a LOT more than others. "Free" is worth a lot more than "the". And length really has no bearing on conversion rate at all.

If copywriters charged by the word, it would be a hefty fee - and even then, for most salesletters... You'd be looking at $10,000+ per letter. Even a writer who charges a penny a word (which would be ridiculous, IMHO) and wrote a 10k word letter would still be $1000. And in salesletters, 10k words isn't really THAT hard to get to when you have passion about your subject, and have a good USP. You keep adding material to cover objections, and cutting out fluff... I've seen 30k word salesletters online that were converting well.

You do need a salesletter - not a landing page. A landing page is what a name squeeze (or opt-in) page is often called - so a lot of people were probably confused by that (including myself initially, until I looked at your site.)

I think you're trying to limit word count because you're trying to limit cost, since you are asking for price per word. That isn't necessary. You will find "copywriters" in the WSO forum who will write your salesletter for $97... It probably won't be any GOOD, but if you're after cheap...

If you want the best, go with Vin... Or Michel... Or one of many others charging over $10k per letter.

If you want someone proven to convert, but without their "star status" yet, you're looking at bare minimum of $1k (and you'll probably need to look pretty hard to find someone who doesn't SUCK at that price point... There are people, but they're few and far between, and their prices go up fast.)

I would say, if you can't afford to invest at least $1500 in your salesletter, I would question whether a copywriter is really what you need right now. Perhaps if you invest what you DO have into some traffic, figure out what your conversion rates are, get a few sales under your belt and tweak the letter until you're getting regular sales... Save up your profits and pay for a damn good copywriter THEN.

That way you're investing money from your business, not from your job or your savings account, and your copywriter will have a better idea of your target niche because you will have a LIST who responds to your questions!

That would be my advice, anyhow...

**Edited to add : I just saw your post with your budget... Not to offend, but really, most of the copywriters in this thread wouldn't sneeze in your breakfast for that kind of money - let alone rewrite an entire salesletter. Please, take my advice above - you really can't afford a copywriter right now. Get some traffic, then come back.

[Ken Strong]

And please stop with the right-justified text already.

[CurtisN]

Originally Posted by barakos9

I'm still looking for someone with realistic prices..

Wow...I'm not a copywriter and even I'm offended by this. You need to understand that when you don't do your research online, you're going to get screwed. You want to spend a measly hundred bucks for someone to rewrite your page? You're probably not even going to make your hundred bucks back with the result.

Granted, many people can't afford Vin. But if you can, and as long as you have a good product and marketing plan, hiring guys like Vin is basically like trading a dollar for many dollars back.

[CocoChanelle]

Damn you for being new here. You should know better than to ask a question without having 800+ posts. What were you thinking! Actually despite some of the condescending attitudes you probably could just check some sigs.

[Daniel Scott]

A hundred bucks? Are you kidding?

Most copywriters take about 40 hours to write a letter. And don't kid yourself - rewriting a bad letter is hell, so it's easier just to start from scratch.

If you want to spend $80 that's $2 an hour. Guess what? I can get a job at McDonald's that pays way more than that. And it doesn't take years to master the skills.

You want everything for nothing. And that's just bad business sense. Good copywriters cost money. Anything worth doing costs money. It's the way business works.

-Dan

[barakos9]

Thank you all,

Cherilyn Laster - thank you for your suggestion, I'll come back when I'll have an higher budget to spent.
I am sorry if my thread offended one of your copywriters. I meant no harm; I just do not have the appropriate budget at this point.
I was thinking maybe someone here would like to help me in my first steps in marketing business, and I did not know that sales letter could take more then 40 hours...

Anyway, thanks for your help and suggestion,

P.S :
with my first sales letter I'll need to find someone cheaper with some nice writing skills.
This is my only way at this point. Maybe in the future I could do it with one of you guys.

P.P.S:

Dear VIN, many people are giving compliments to your writing skills, I guess they know what they are talking about,
So maybe in the future I can hire you, after I will sell some copies (:

[Matt Jutras]

I think it'd be more productive to educate, than to viciously attack.

Not everyone is privy to how much work is involved in writing sales copy.

Anyways, good luck with the product.

[BrianMcLeod]

Originally Posted by Matt Jutras

I think it'd be more productive to educate, than to viciously attack.

Not everyone is privy to how much work is involved in writing sales copy.

Sometimes the best education comes from a quick bop to the back of the head as I saw here in this thread. I didn't see any vicious attacking.

I did see a horribly inexperienced person walk into a room full of experienced copywriters and get some tough love.

And others reading this thread glean insight even if they're just lurking.

(Dr. Evil Voice) Boo frickety hoo

C'mon, man. Find me somebody great that didn't have a tough-as-nails mentor along the way kicking their ass but good when they needed it...

There's plenty of places where $80 rewrites are a perfectly safe discussion to have... not so much here.

If that's too "mean"... I don't even know what to say about that.

I dig your recent posts, BTW.

Best to all,

Brian

[Matt Jutras]

Good points.

Just think some could be friendlier about it is all, not that I'm against raking someone over the coals, mind you.

[dorothydot]

Barakos9,

Just out of curiosity... did you write your ebook, The Bible Of The Bride yourself? If so... did you have someone proofread it? You evidently are not here in America; did you intend this ebook to be marketed in America, Britain, or where?

Again, I don't mean to be snoopy; just rather curious.
Dot

[guitarpro]

Well, if you are still looking for someone, I might just do it at 150$.

[barakos9]

People, I found a writer, and a good one I am sure the copy will sell like hell!
I will not tell you how much it cost , but Let me know if someone wants to have a look at the copy.
dorothydot - no I did not write the book , I hired a writer for that job ( Native American writer actually )

Thanks.

[barakos9]

Originally Posted by guitarpro

Well, if you are still looking for someone, I might just do it at 150$.

No thanks I've found someone.