How much social proof counts for you?

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The other day, I received a call from someone thinking of renting our condo in Maui.

She asked me, "Do you have any more reviews somewhere besides just the two there?" She was looking at our listing on Trip Advisor or Homeaway, I forget which one. We have two reviews on each site (different ones).

We did, and I promised to send her a link, but I also asked what she was looking to know. "I need to know that more people stayed there and liked it," she said.

This way of thinking is completely alien to me, so I wonder if any of you make decisions this way or know folks who do. And if so, can you explain the reasoning here to me? I don't think someone who thinks this way would be a good customer for me, but I do want to understand the thought process here. Is there a threshold number that leads to comfort?

I think most people who aren't in business themselves have no clue how few people, comparatively speaking, actually post reviews, whether they liked something or not.

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  • Profile picture of the author quadagon
    Check out robert cialdini's influence for a good overview of social proof.
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  • Profile picture of the author angiecolee
    I think it depends. My boyfriend hinges every online decision on others' reviews, from where we eat to where we stay to Amazon purchases. He'll proudly tell others that something was highly rated on Amazon.

    Me personally? I go on gut. Do I like this product/price/seller? I've pleasantly surprised him many a time with something I've purchased that had few to no reviews.

    I think it's a personality thing. Some are uncomfortable spending money if they don't think there's proof they'll get a return. Some of us prefer to take in others' reviews but still make up our own minds.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by marciayudkin View Post

    Is there a threshold number that leads to comfort?
    For me, there isn't a threshold number, but if I'm reasonably satisfied as to the objectivity and spread of the reviews, there's probably a threshold proportion.

    I put no confidence at all in individual reviews from people about whom I know nothing, but if I look on a site like TripAdvisor, I'm certainly adversely influenced by a prevalence of 1*/2* reviews over 4*/5* reviews, if there are hundreds of review comments. (Ok, they don't actually use "stars" there, per se, but you know what I mean?).

    In the circumstances you're talking about, I basically agree with you, though (and might not be asking the person whose property it is for additional reviews, anyway.)

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    • Profile picture of the author marciayudkin
      My boyfriend hinges every online decision on others' reviews, from where we eat to where we stay to Amazon purchases.
      He is an extrovert, right?

      For me, I have had way too many experiences where something I loved got poor ratings on Yelp or Amazon to put much stock in ratings. I don't tend to like what random others like.

      I suppose if someone has found that the number of stars do correlate with their liking of things, then it is probably a good decision procedure.

      But the number of reviews doesn't really correlate with quality. It can't.

      Unlike a restaurant where there are dozens of patrons every week, our vacation rental has less than 10 sets of guests every season. People apparently don't realize that shouldn't normally yield a lot of reviews.

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      • Profile picture of the author angiecolee
        Originally Posted by marciayudkin View Post

        He is an extrovert, right?

        For me, I have had way too many experiences where something I loved got poor ratings on Yelp or Amazon to put much stock in ratings. I don't tend to like what random others like.

        I suppose if someone has found that the number of stars do correlate with their liking of things, then it is probably a good decision procedure.

        But the number of reviews doesn't really correlate with quality. It can't.

        Unlike a restaurant where there are dozens of patrons every week, our vacation rental has less than 10 sets of guests every season. People apparently don't realize that shouldn't normally yield a lot of reviews.

        Marcia
        Actually, he's much more introverted than I am. But he places (in my opinion) an extraordinary value on ratings/others' opinions of things he's interested in. To be fair, he does look for both good and bad ratings to get a balanced feel and make a decision. It may be his way of coping with way too many options (we are in the Bay Area after all). I prefer going with my gut.

        I feel like in this instance he'd probably take the number of reviews for what they're worth and not insist there have to be more somewhere. Although he would be more easily persuaded with more. Unless I do the buying and he has no choice in the matter. LOL.
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  • Marcia,

    If I had a place in Maui with pics a great description (and if anything wasn't perfect I would point out the flaws) all fused with a sprinkling of good reviews.

    And someone phoned me essentially saying "I need more prove that it's worth staying in"

    I would explain all the key reasons why I bought it for my vacations. How wonderful it is and that I wouldn't dream of renting it out if it wasn't exactly as I described. And point out that it's only rented a few times a year which is why you don't see dozens of reviews.

    If they still demanded more proof, I would get the strong feeling they could be nightmare "clients" and might tactfully suggest they may be happier staying somewhere else.


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    • Profile picture of the author marciayudkin
      Thanks, Steve,

      You gave me a good idea.

      There's no reason why I can't intersperse my additional reviews into the description. I haven't seen anyone else do that, but it's certainly kosher.

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      • Profile picture of the author Chriswrighto
        It's hard to say whether there's a threshold number - all aspects of the offer come into it. At least in my opinion.

        And then there's things like the ratio of 1 star to 5 star... 2 star to 4 star...

        For me (introverted), I don't always need social proof. For instance:

        If a restaurant serves my favourite dish... I'm happy.

        But I'll spend hours upon hours searching for the right hotel. It has to be exactly - or as close to - what I want.

        Hope this helps.
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  • Profile picture of the author Memetics
    Interesting question. I think the answer is "more than you can know"

    The mind has two defaults for numbers. One is: what you can see and know without counting.

    For example: if I were to put three items in front of you now and then asked you how many there were, you would instantly say "Three!" same with four, same with five. Would you have to count them first, or would you just "know" how many there were?

    It's a mental heuristic - a short cut - which lets you know how many of an item or thing there is without consciously having to count them.

    That's your first default: the few.

    The other default is "the many", that means (for most people) seven or over. Once seven is reached then you have to start consciously counting. Because the concepts are separate within the mind and the concept of "many" is ambiguous, then when it's applied to individuals they then become "the group" - as opposed to just "some people"- and the minimum requirement for social proof critical mass is achieved.

    I can't find the link, but the original research was done by an online betting site here in the UK when they investigated the reason for sudden fluctuations in the market, just before the start of certain horse races.

    The reason was: a lot of bettors were waiting to see what the "smart" money was on (which usually went on just before the off to prevent on course reps backing it with on course bookies to lower the odds). Seven mid level bets in the last minute was enough to trigger the "they're backing it" information cascade.
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    • Profile picture of the author marciayudkin
      That's your first default: the few.

      The other default is "the many",
      While interesting, I don't see how this point applies to online reviews. Any site I've seen that runs user reviews also explicitly states in a prominent number how many there are. Readers do not have to use their brain, consciously or unconsciously, to figure out how many reviews there are.

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      • Profile picture of the author Memetics
        The more reviews the more social proof (assuming they're favourable) but it works on a scale where there is a tipping point where social proof is activated and prior to that it's not.

        It could be coincidence that seven is the magic number for both social proof and number recognition but it's a very convenient coincidence if it is.

        Although the neuroscience is complex it's based on a theory called "Basin of attraction".
        It's like an upside down sales funnel where you push your reader up the side of the funnel and tip them over the side (make the decision) There is a natural status quo bias which keeps them where they are at the bottom (a sort of gravity if you like) but seven is enough to get the decision mechanism climbing the side of the basin (albeit quite slowly).

        If you want to amp it up then feature reviews from people who are experts in your niche (Cialdini: Authority) That lowers the side of the basin for the decision to climb up.

        It's all to do with the Dorsolateral Prefrontal cortex (the social or hive brain) of all the conscious mind's mechanisms for mediating the emotional mind that's the most potent, even to the point of overcoming the core emotional survival mechanisms and creating a suicide bomber.
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        • Profile picture of the author marciayudkin
          Could you please provide a scientific reference for the point that seven reviews function as a tipping point.

          I know the research about the number 7 in general, but I would like to see where it has been applied to what you said in your most recent post.

          Thanks!

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