How's THIS for a Unique Hook/Angle & Niche...

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As most marketers know... there's often very little that's "new under the sun".

Most people do well by just making a better mousetrap than the competition, and than showing the prospect how and why their mousetrap is better.

I've been in the fitness biz for 14 years... and almost everything I see come out these days... I've seen 100 times.

And so have prospects.

That's why I think one of the biggest keys to success these days is to APPEAR different and unique... by either truly being different/unique... or at least communicating that to your market.

So, I wrote this thread to show a pretty cool example of finding a new hook and niche.

Everyone here probably knows Chris Haddad... aka Michael Fiore.

I just read an email he sent out, about a new diet offer they're working on.

I can speak from experience, the diet and weight loss niche is probably the #1 toughest
to find a new hook/angle... because the same old thing has been said a million times before.

Those products that are doing well now, are approaching it with a unique angle... like Chris mentioned in his affiliate email...

"The Salvation Diet is a biblically-based nutrition program designed to help
Christian men and women escape the curse of obesity and live long, productive
lives in the service of Christ."

Which is a somewhat fancy way of saying it's a weight loss offer specifically
aimed at the 178 MILLION Adult Christians in the US and using The Bible itself
as the basis for an astounding weight loss program that actually works."

As Chris said..

"The only problem is... so many angles and hooks have been created and
exploited that my email list has become numb to many offers, especially diets :-(
That is..Until I sent a test email to The Salvation Diet!"

Personally... I think to succeed these days, you're gonna have to find a
way to stand out among the thousands of competitors in the diet/weight loss
niche... those who have million dollar ad budgets.

I just thought this use of an angle/approach was so unique, I'd share it here
because like Chris said, so many people are becoming numb to diet offers.

And the same can be said for IM market, biz opp and MMO, there's only
so many borrowed mansions, rented Porches, and rented private jets
that you can use to jazz up a fraudulent sales page.

These days, you gotta build a better mouse trap and have a unique
market/offer/niche/angle.

Like another fellow marketer said recently "find a niche within a niche"

I think the Biblical based diet program is a great example of what it
takes to stand out online these days... it's getting harder and harder
to find a hook or angle that hasn't been seen 1,000 times.
#hook or angle #niche #unique
  • "Evry molecule u shed gorges the dick u bed."

    yy diet market's a ******.
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  • Profile picture of the author Complex
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    • Profile picture of the author shawnlebrun
      Originally Posted by Complex View Post

      The Eden Diet - A Christian Weight Loss Program

      Daniels Diet - Christian diet based on biblical teaching

      Good market to sell to, definitely NOT unique.

      Chris is a great marketer. But he hypes himself up a little too much from time to time. Texting information was sold in the dating space since the early/mid 2000's, but he claims to have had the first texting product when he dropped his in like '09. He was at least 5 years too late to make that claim.

      If he doesn't see it on ClickBank, he thinks he's first.

      Lol.

      ;-)

      P.S. Anything you can think of, someone's been selling a "Christian" version for years. My son got Candy Corn in a baggie on Halloween. It'd been rebranded from Candy Corn to Jesus Harvest Seeds.

      No joke.

      The Christian market has been a direct response favorite for 40-50 years or more. Really, you can find Christian direct response offers in old papers from the late 1800's.
      Yeah, I probably should have said a "more unique" angle than most of the sh*t being peddled out there in the diet/fitness niche.

      For every 100 I see, maybe 2 or 3 have a more unique angle than what's normally out there... but I agree, didn't mean to say it's never been done, it's just not your typical diet approach.

      Chris is a partner in it, I believe, if I remember the email right.

      I just like his thoughts on trying to be unique and different... since it's getting harder to stand out. It seems the common approach for most marketers is just to try and model something that's been modeled that's been modeled, etc...

      Jesus Harvest Seeds? LOL.

      I've been getting a ton of direct mail lately from area churches... they are using the "Prepper/Survivalist" hook in their mailings. The one I got a few days ago was pretty ballsy... I'll try and scan it in as a JPG... but it basically had a huge mushroom cloud in yellow and red, with a headline of "Will You Be Ready for the Apocalypse" or something like that.

      It was one of several I've gotten from churches lately who are again playing the "End of Days" approach with mailings.
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      • Profile picture of the author Complex
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        • Profile picture of the author shawnlebrun
          Originally Posted by Complex View Post

          I wish I had the stuff my mom had mailed to her in the late 90's. She buys just about anything that has a Christian spin to it. So she's on a ton of mailing lists.

          And leading up to Y2K?



          P.S. The cynical part of thinks the Candy Corn is a good biz idea. Candy Corn is like the cheapest yuckiest Halloween candy. But - change it up a bit - and you can probably actually sell it for 3-5x the price and it'll actually sell. I wouldn't do that. Not my style. Still.
          Yeah, I told my wife I wanted to dress up as Heisenberg and pass out blue rock candy... she shot that down real quick. #breakingballs
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    • Profile picture of the author splitTest
      Originally Posted by Complex View Post

      The Christian market has been a direct response favorite for 40-50 years or more. Really, you can find Christian direct response offers in old papers from the late 1800's.
      Reminds me of an interesting vid I stumbled across recently...

      Includes a nice breakdown of the DR letter, so there's a copywriting lesson in there too!

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      • Profile picture of the author David StClair
        Hello fellow marketeers,

        Imho everything is useful that works after a slip test and when it comes to a unique offer or approach, in my 24 years experience as a business coach and NLP trainer/hypnotherapist the ability to use hypnotic language and multi level communication brings most fruition.

        No matter the product we first and foremost sell emotions, don´t we and making these emotions something the prospect feels the urge to instantly buy it out of his/her own decision makes it even more profitable taken into account that the product matches moral standards and delivers huge value.

        Chunked up to the mentioned niche:

        How satisfying and uplifting does it feel to finally have found a diet according to biblical standards?
        Imagine for a moment that you feel that your prayers have been answered and how blissful this feels right now. This feeling to be a good faithful person knowing that divine inspiration has led you to the right place at the right time and you deserve it.
        When you can see yourself right now and hear yourself saying internally "Yes, I am faithful and want to live according the Bible in my every day life".....this diet will add so much value and light heartedness to your life as a Christian, hadn´t it. Many customers instantly decide to order, because its so important to be a good Christian having implemented the faith into your every-day life so easily......

        just gave you this example out of the flow. When a copy uses dozens of what we call language patterns of persuasion tghe impact is definitely much higher.

        Cheers and have a great day everybody
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        • Profile picture of the author Complex
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          • Profile picture of the author splitTest
            Originally Posted by Complex View Post

            @SplitTest,

            I personally don't think there's anything wrong with putting a Christian spin on anything.

            I wasn't judging. Just observing. The Christian market's used to direct response. Because there are lots of companies that do that kind of targeting/positioning already and have for a long, long, long time.
            Nah - I didn't take it like that. Just thought that vid was interesting (and on-topic), especially since the letter it breaks down has a whole lot of heavy-handed copywriting techniques...

            Re: the christian angle, I don't care either way. That's for religious people to care about. Even if it's stuff as shady as the letter in the vid -- if christians don't care, that's just their thing, not mine...

            Gotta wonder about the mindset of people who send out letters like the one in the vid though... Like -- are they really religious? Are they atheist? Religious but sociopathic? "Forgiven"? Genuinely believing the stuff the letter says? I'm not sure I even want to understand...

            Spooky.

            But no, not judging. Just thought the vid was interesting & on topic. I had intended to post it in a new thread, but then this thread came up. Divine providence?
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  • Profile picture of the author dmaster555
    This reminds me of yesterday, I took my niece to an arts and crafts store and saw "snowman poop" on the shelves. (basically poop shaped pieces of marshmallow).

    I don't know if it has always been around, but it was the first time I've ever encountered it. Gave us something funny to talk about and of course I bought her one.

    There are many ways to sell one thing if you're creative enough.
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    • Profile picture of the author shawnlebrun
      Originally Posted by dmaster555 View Post

      This reminds me of yesterday, I took my niece to an arts and crafts store and saw "snowman poop" on the shelves. (basically poop shaped pieces of marshmallow).

      I don't know if it has always been around, but it was the first time I've ever encountered it. Gave us something funny to talk about and of course I bought her one.

      There are many ways to sell one thing if you're creative enough.
      Oh yeah... I've seen the "snowman poop". Here in Maine we have reindeer/moose poop that's simply little chocolate balls that come out of a plastic deer.

      From a marketing standpoint, it's amazing how companies take an existing product, add a new twist to it, and call it a "new approach"

      As a kid growing up, I remember we had TCBY (the Country's Best Yogurt"

      Went out of business when I was in high school.

      But let the customers put their own toppings on, from a salad bar type concoction... and you have a new biz.

      We have 6 fro yo places in an area where TCBY used to be... and the only real change was the self-serving portion.

      Around here, we got a Five Guys burger joint a few years ago, and they're on fire... killing it.

      Then, Elevation Burger came in and they're growing even faster... all from positioning their burgers coming from grass fed beef, organic, fries that are fried in olive oil, etc...

      The reason I bring any of this up... you can take just about any product.... create a new story or angle with it, and see success from it. It's fascinating to me, having been around for a while now... that the more things change... the more they stay the same.
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