Multi-Page Salesletters?

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Hey Guys and Gals,

I have a question for the copywriters here.

What do you think of multiple-page salesletters?

Just to be clear, I am referring to this type:
Fat Loss 4 Idiots / Weight Loss and Diet Center

Personally, I don't like them much... but there are
a few bigger sites in the niche that I am trying to
get into that do it this way.

Currently my salesletter is the typical one page, longer
form letter... and I am losing eyeballs after a few paragraphs.

I am definitely going to test this for myself, but I wanted to
see what you all thought and especially see if anyone has
already tested this as well...

Would a multi-page letter that broke it into a handful of
"chunks" work better?

Thanks!
Matt
#multipage #salesletters
  • Profile picture of the author Hugh Thyer
    I strongly believe in them. They're more interactive and since different things appeal to different people, it lets them choose what's important to them. This means you can communicate to different people in different ways, depending on who they are. Its like letting them choose their own niche.

    In a way they're like a magalog, where people can pick and choose the articles they want.
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  • Profile picture of the author matthewd
    Thanks for your input, Hugh.

    You are referring more to the style of where the
    reader is presented with multiple options and they
    get to choose? Such as (sticking with the Fat Loss 4
    Idiots Example): "Click HERE if you need to lose belly fat...
    OR Click HERE if you need to lose thigh fat" Correct?

    I definitely like the thought of how interactive that idea
    is as opposed to simply having "Next Page"

    What do you think of the ones that just say "Next Page" and
    simply chunk the copy instead of offering different routes though?
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  • Profile picture of the author Raydal
    One of the pluses of this format of sales letter is that the
    sales letter seems less intimidating to read at first and the
    reader has to click all the way through the pages if he
    wants to see the price--this makes it harder to 'cheat'.

    On the other hand, you are making the reader do more
    work and this could be a turn off. But others may argue
    that the interactivity can help to engage the reader more
    with your letter. This is worth a test.

    I tried this once and didn't see any improvement in one
    of my sales letters.

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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Hancox
    Hey Matt

    A big advantage of breaking up your sales letter (and then tracking them) is that you can see precisely where you're losing your visitors, and eliminate some reasons as to why they might not be buying.

    For example: If you're losing most of them on Page 1 of 4 (and you don't have a price on Page 1), then you didn't really get their attention and interest enough... price isn't the problem ... motivation is.

    One thing I should say about multi-page sales letters ... you need a strong hook to get them to click further. Imagine you're the director of the TV series 24... you don't want to lose viewers after Episode 1, so you have cliffhangers, plot threads and so on... you make sure they tune in next week.

    You definitely need more of that when you're breaking up your sales page into smaller chunks.
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  • Profile picture of the author matthewd
    Good points, Ray.

    You didn't see an improvement? Did you see a decline
    in conversions?

    I could definitely seeing it go either way... the interactive
    part of actually clicking, plus taking away the ability to jump
    to the price, along with the less intimidating length are all
    appealing... then making them work (click) might be annoying.

    Paul - You brought up a few things I hadn't thought of... Thank you!
    Especially with the cliffhanger point. I was going to just cut up my
    copy and throw it onto some separate pages, but now I am going to
    be a lot more logical about it and edit it to try to build a need for them
    to click to the next page.
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Hancox
      Originally Posted by matthewd View Post

      Paul - You brought up a few things I hadn't thought of... Thank you!
      Especially with the cliffhanger point. I was going to just cut up my
      copy and throw it onto some separate pages, but now I am going to
      be a lot more logical about it and edit it to try to build a need for them
      to click to the next page.
      Yeah, that's one of the reasons why people see lower conversions if they just chop up the copy, without providing a good reason for them to click to the next page. So I'd recommend somewhat editing your copy to provide this need.
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    • Profile picture of the author Raydal
      Originally Posted by matthewd View Post

      Good points, Ray.

      You didn't see an improvement? Did you see a decline
      in conversions?

      I could definitely seeing it go either way... the interactive
      part of actually clicking, plus taking away the ability to jump
      to the price, along with the less intimidating length are all
      appealing... then making them work (click) might be annoying.
      No, there were no changes, but my test wasn't extensive enough
      to give a fair answer to this question. After I didn't see any
      improvements I went back to the traditional letter.

      When you think about it a OTO is really a multi-page letter.

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  • I have tested this many times and have seen both increases and decreases in conversions.

    Bottom line: Test it.

    We also found that using a text link WITH A TEASER about that they would discover on the next page was crucial to the successful multi-page letters.

    Also, it seems to work better in most cases when the multi-page letter reads more like an advertorial. In weight loss one of the goals of your copy is to get your prospect--who has likely tried and failed to lose weight many times--to BELIEVE they can succeed this time. A multi-page letter with the stories of those who have succeeded helps build that belief and make the sale.
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  • Profile picture of the author KristiDaniels
    The cliff hangers are really important.

    I remember one that I had tested down to having an incomplete thought at the end of the page. It went something like this:

    They never went hungry or ate rabbit food. They each lost 75 pounds by...

    The start of the paragraph on the next page ended up being optimized out of the mix, so I thought I was cheating the reader by not finishing that sentence.

    With the page ending on with the above, I had a click through rate of over 90%. Since the next page was now starting on a different topic, I decided to finish the sentence. It now read something like this:

    They never went hungry or ate rabbit food. They each lost 75 pounds by eating lots of yummy food.

    Sounds OK; right?

    The click through rate went down to about 15%. I totally lost them by completing that sentence.

    I had to go back to the drawing board and figure out a way to complete that sentence on the next page in a way that kept them going on that page.

    It's harder than the one page sales letter format, but the overall potential sale conversion rate on a mutli-page letter is often 2-3 times what you can get on a single page sales letter. It's worth doing the work to triple your sales.

    Consider this... EVERY top seller on Clickbank is now multipage. Every single one of them!
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    • Profile picture of the author Daniel Scott
      Originally Posted by KristiDaniels View Post

      Consider this... EVERY top seller on Clickbank is now multipage. Every single one of them!
      Recently David Raybould had both the #1 and #2 CB letters... both of them were one-page only.

      VinceDelmonteFitness.com is one page and it converts like crazy.

      Not to be a dick but maybe you should check your info before posting random information as fact.

      -Dan
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeHumphreys
      Originally Posted by KristiDaniels View Post

      Consider this... EVERY top seller on Clickbank is now multipage. Every single one of them!
      Definitely not true. If you want to mention offline marketing, like direct mail then you'd have a valid point. But not online.

      Daniel gave you several examples of ones that are not multi-page... StomperNet, John Reese, Mike Filasaime, and Frank Kern all had 7 figure product launches in the last 2 years without using a multi-page letter.

      Being a top seller on Clickbank isn't always about the sales letter format. Dangle a large enough affiliate reward (like $1K for some of the big box home study courses) and you'll get an army of affiliates promoting the heck out of a product.

      If a million unique visitors hit your sales letter, then you can pull a 0.01% conversion rate and still make a lot of money -- regardess of the sales letter.
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    • Profile picture of the author MontelloMarketing
      Originally Posted by KristiDaniels View Post

      Consider this... EVERY top seller on Clickbank is now multipage. Every single one of them!
      Whoa... slow down there cowgirl...

      Might want to have your facts before spouting off.

      I happen to have one of the top selling multipage letters on clickbank. A letter that grosses nearly a half million dollars a month.

      That said... it's certainly not what all top sellers are doing. It's not even what most top sellers are doing.

      Multipage has its place... so does single page.

      It's that simple.
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      • Profile picture of the author davemiz
        vins right.... some are crushing it using it, others are crushing it without it.

        you gotta test for YOUR product and *each individual traffic source.*

        what works for warm traffic might not work as well (or at all) for cold traffic. HUGE difference there.

        I believe the sales letters in question get the majority of their traffic as cold traffic, so thats probably why the mutli could work better.... less commitment from someone who doesn't know you from a hole in the wall, than reading a 35 page sales letter.

        Then once you begin clicking....

        Whats interesting is, you'd never expect adding a step would increase conversions, but sometimes they do.

        Here's an example from one of my niche businesses:

        I just finished round 1 of testing on a new presell page. this is for cold traffic (paid) I added in a step before the visitor even sees an optin page.

        whats weird is, more people are reading the presell page, clicking the link at the bottom, and THEN opting in.

        vs.

        going straight to the optin page and opting in.

        Even though there's an additional page, more people are optin in. It blew me away.

        That said. I've also tested this funnel with a multipage sales letter and it bombed vs the 1 pager.

        so point proven. you gotta test each step in the funnel. it all depends.
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        • Profile picture of the author Matt James
          whats weird is, more people are reading the presell page, clicking the link at the bottom, and THEN opting in.
          That's interesting Dave. Reminds me of something I picked up from Andre Chaperon (I think) where the so-called squeeze page contains a free pdf download... and the link to the opt-in page is in the pdf.

          Sure, you get may get less sign-ups but they're really warm prospects.
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      • Profile picture of the author Johnny12345
        Originally Posted by MontelloMarketing View Post

        I happen to have one of the top selling multipage letters on clickbank. A letter that grosses nearly a half million dollars a month.
        Cool. What's the URL?

        Johnny
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      • Profile picture of the author Fred_Acker
        What do you think of multiple-page salesletters?
        I think WarriorForum.com has got to be one of the longest and best multi-page salesletters on the net. How many war room members are there again?
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  • Profile picture of the author RickDuris
    This thread kinda reminds me of the debate between between long copy sales letters and short copy. And we all know that turned out. - Rick Duris
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    • Profile picture of the author matthewd
      Originally Posted by RickDuris View Post

      This thread kinda reminds me of the debate between between long copy sales letters and short copy. And we all know that turned out. - Rick Duris
      I haven't read that thread yet... I will have to check it out.

      We got some really good info in this one though!
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  • Profile picture of the author sethczerepak
    I've seen them work well and not so well. The difference is really in the copy, which is the same for any sales page. Some claim they are better for testing the page in segments, but I'm not convinced. Testing with multiple variables is usually better (different texts, images, colors, subheaders etc.)

    One thing to remember is that some people skim sales page to see if it's even worth giving their time to read. So the multiple pages blocks people from easily finding out what they want to know which in my opinion makes it a sales filter.

    Be interested in hearing how it works for you.....
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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Ray
    It's already been said, but I agree:

    Online sales letters are supposed to be single pages only, with action calls throughout the single page...
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  • Profile picture of the author BrandonLee
    Originally Posted by matthewd View Post

    Hey Guys and Gals,



    Personally, I don't like them much... but there are
    a few bigger sites in the niche that I am trying to
    get into that do it this way.

    Thanks!
    Matt

    I do tons of stuff that personally I don't like much, and I think is stupid..but as long as it continues to produce results for me, the only thing that would be stupid is for me to change it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Adams
    If you don't have to hype your product use a multi-page sales copy see DLGuard.com. This is no knock on products with long copy site but you will find the products that sell them selves and fit a true need will go to multi-page sales copy.
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  • Profile picture of the author keystothemind
    I tend to think it's just far too complicated.
    My thinking it the customer shouldn't have to exert any effort at all - shouldn't even have to think!
    The harder it is to get to the 'buy' button, the more chance we have of losing them.

    Just my thoughts, I'm of course open and willing to learn.
    Cheers
    Nathan
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