Why I Left Copywriting

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CLARIFICATION: I left copywriting as a PRIMARY source of income, not the skill set. Copywriting is still a huge part of what I do in product launches, SEO and web design. And I DO still accept clients from time-to-time.

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Hey guys,

I haven't been in this part of the world in a long time. I've been very, very busy building my SEO business and prepping up for multiple products and services. I'm not here to talk about that aspect of what I do, but I want to leave something that will perhaps get you copywriters to think.

In the past 3 months, I've turned down about 10 copywriting gigs. I've passed all of them on to other copywriters... some more experienced than others. Some I knew, some I didn't.

Aside from not being paid enough, my SEO and design company is expanding to over 20 personnel. We are shooting to make over $1 million this year as a company. It's an ambitious goal, but I know it can be done.

Why I left copywriting.

I found the next level to copywriting - product launches.

That only came about when I helped Tim Bekker with StupidSimpleSystems.com and then his second launch through WhiteHatCopyCat.com, which produced over $130,000 in sales under 90 hours.

I've since moved on to do copywriting consultation and coaching for a top Inc 500 company... $2,500/m for 12 hours of talking. Not too bad of a deal. Some folks get paid that much for WRITING it and doing everything else. I just talk.

From there, I've moved into truly doing a product launch with XXXXXXXXX [edit]Damn, I just remembered, I shouldn't be mentioning this yet. Sorry, I removed his name for now. You'll hear about the launch in the next few months though.[/edit]

Just from some strategies I've come up with, his income should increase by half a million this year without him working any harder.

His launch is expected to be over $3 million. This is after some real number crunching. [edit]Sorry, I decided not to share my percentages. Just know that it's VERY GOOD.[/edit]

That isn't even the best part. The money isn't the issue or factor at all.

It's about getting my name out there and associating myself with him. He knows just about every big name guru there is... Tony Robins, Kevin Wilke, Dan Kennedy, T. Harve Eker (I love his book), even Justin Timberlake... weird.

THIS is the holy grail all of us should be going after. This is truly why I left copywriting as a primary source of income. I still do it... it just doesn't come cheap anymore and I'm more focused on doing product launches so that I can profit at least $100,000.

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Now, let me tell you how I met XXXXXXXX. First off, I bought his product when I was 16. I recognized him 10 years later at a meetup here in Dallas. I approached him like he was the only person in the room and started talking. We were a fit. The following week, we met up and started making plans and seeing if we could really work together. It was smooth sailing after that.

Point is - you never know when you might have an opportunity come along. Just be on your game and be ready to play at all times.

Alright, I'm going to go MIA here for a while again, but I'll tty guys later. I hope all is well with you all.
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  • Profile picture of the author Diver's
    Hi Kevin,

    Thanks for sharing.. i do believe in having our own product launches, which is where most of the money is in this I-M World.

    Its good that you've met the right person and spearheading a collaboration together.. all the best to your new launches!
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    • Profile picture of the author BillOliver
      On 12th June 2005 Steve Jobs addressed students at Stanford saying:
      "You've got to find what you love"
      Text of Steve Jobs' Commencement address (2005)

      The address reverberated throughout the web and now Google has almost 900,000 hits on "You've got to find what you love"+"Steve Jobs"

      I never do public speaking and nor do I particularly like start-ups, but I do write... and write ... and write! Copywriting is not for everybody, but I expect it is for most people in this particular forum.

      All the best with product launches; hope you rocket upwards and hit the stratosphere!

      Bill
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  • Profile picture of the author David Raybould
    Hey Kevin,

    I was wondering how you were
    doing buddy.

    Glad to see things are going well
    for you.

    Onward and upward...

    -David Raybould
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    • Profile picture of the author Sam Mlambo
      It's always inspiring to hear about the success around you. Gets me pumped up to do better and accomplish the same... if not better

      I'm happy for your success!

      Talk to you soon Kevin
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  • Profile picture of the author The Copy Nazi
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    That's nothing mate. I'm on target to turn over 10 mill this year. And I'm cutting Frank Kern's lawn and Carlton laughed at one of my jokes the other day. Oh yeah...and some Guru called Kevin Bidwell reckons my blog's the ants pants. I'm now ghost-writing his comments here on the Forum (shhh). An it's all thanks to the All-Natural Peruvian Viagra I'm been taking lately. I tell you - that stuff really works. And works. And works.
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  • Profile picture of the author Edk
    Good ramble. I was trained in copywriting by an ex-creative director. Top guy. I've done a little copywriting but decided internet stuff was where the action (and much else was at). Then he, started moving over into this area too after 40 years in advertising. Sadly no longer with us, but it sure makes sense you passing on those gigs. Thanks for the post
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  • Hey Kevin.

    Glad to hear all is well with you.

    Becoming a product launch guy is a whole new business, far different from copy writing. You've been able to leverage your connections to make that happen and it can be lucrative. It can also be a headache for someone who doesn't love it.

    Me? I'm leaving copywriting to become a professional erotic dancer.
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  • Profile picture of the author acrasial
    I haven't even started to get into copy writing yet, and I am already being told that I should just NOT EVEN BOTHER. Why?

    Because my heart and mind are not in the right place for it. Apparently I would butcher it's integrity should I attempt to ever try to copy write.
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    • Originally Posted by acrasial View Post

      I haven't even started to get into copy writing yet, and I am already being told that I should just NOT EVEN BOTHER. Why?

      Because my heart and mind are not in the right place for it. Apparently I would butcher it's integrity should I attempt to ever try to copy write.
      Kevin's doing his own thing. Give it a go. If you like it, you'll make lots of money. If not, you can always open that fried pickle stand you've dreamed of.
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    • Profile picture of the author Loren Woirhaye
      Originally Posted by acrasial View Post

      I haven't even started to get into copy writing yet, and I am already being told that I should just NOT EVEN BOTHER. Why?

      Because my heart and mind are not in the right place for it. Apparently I would butcher it's integrity should I attempt to ever try to copy write.
      There's nothing wrong with learning to write copy, or doing it -
      but you have to be pretty committed as a marketer to make
      decent money freelancing as a copywriter. You can do it, but
      it's not easy money for most people who give it a try - hype
      and courses promising the "lazy 6-figure copywriter lifestyle"
      notwithstanding, the truth is working with clients kinda sucks,
      for a large number of reasons.

      Copywriting is an amazing skill to have, and working at it will
      help you succeed better as an internet marketer. No doubt -
      but the nature of copywriting freelance is like most other
      freelance work; it can pay well but it's feast-and-famine.
      There's also a lot of clients looking to get something for nothing
      and commoditization of writing skills is a major problem in the
      writing industry, with many amateurs so eager to work they
      give the work away and destroy the perception of value in
      skilled writing.

      This isn't just a problem with copywriting, btw, it's present in
      most fields of writing.

      Here's Harlan Ellison telling it like it is:

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      • Profile picture of the author Ross Bowring
        Originally Posted by Loren Woirhaye View Post

        There's nothing wrong with learning to write copy, or doing it -
        but you have to be pretty committed as a marketer to make
        decent money freelancing as a copywriter. You can do it, but
        it's not easy money for most people who give it a try - hype
        and courses promising the "lazy 6-figure copywriter lifestyle"
        notwithstanding, the truth is working with clients kinda sucks,
        for a large number of reasons.

        Copywriting is an amazing skill to have, and working at it will
        help you succeed better as an internet marketer. No doubt -
        but the nature of copywriting freelance is like most other
        freelance work; it can pay well but it's feast-and-famine.
        There's also a lot of clients looking to get something for nothing
        and commoditization of writing skills is a major problem in the
        writing industry, with many amateurs so eager to work they
        give the work away and destroy the perception of value in
        skilled writing.

        This isn't just a problem with copywriting, btw, it's present in
        most fields of writing.

        Here's Harlan Ellison telling it like it is:

        YouTube - Harlan Ellison -- Pay the Writer
        Loren, that clip is tremendous. Thanks so much for posting it.

        --- Ross
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      • Profile picture of the author The Copy Nazi
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        Originally Posted by Loren Woirhaye View Post

        There's nothing wrong with learning to write copy, or doing it -
        but you have to be pretty committed as a marketer to make
        decent money freelancing as a copywriter. You can do it, but
        it's not easy money for most people who give it a try - hype
        and courses promising the "lazy 6-figure copywriter lifestyle"
        notwithstanding, the truth is working with clients kinda sucks,
        for a large number of reasons.

        Copywriting is an amazing skill to have, and working at it will
        help you succeed better as an internet marketer. No doubt -
        but the nature of copywriting freelance is like most other
        freelance work; it can pay well but it's feast-and-famine.
        There's also a lot of clients looking to get something for nothing
        and commoditization of writing skills is a major problem in the
        writing industry, with many amateurs so eager to work they
        give the work away and destroy the perception of value in
        skilled writing.

        This isn't just a problem with copywriting, btw, it's present in
        most fields of writing.

        Here's Harlan Ellison telling it like it is:

        YouTube - Harlan Ellison -- Pay the Writer
        Loren, that..was..killer. And funny. And timely - if you knew what I'd gone through this week with several ass*oles wanting stuff for nothing.

        cheers,
        The Copy Nazi
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  • Profile picture of the author RickDuris
    Are you a copywriter? Like a REAL copywriter?

    If you are, it is in your blood. You know this: You can't quit--it's just not your nature.

    I am a copywriter.

    And when I look at hard copy advertisements or videos or infomercials or websites, I can't help admire and learn. Like fine art and masterpieces at a museum, I appreciate the work that went into them.

    For me, quitting copywriting would be like saying "Oh, I'll never walk again." or "Oh, I'll never drive a car again." Or "Oh I'll never have sex again." Or "Oh, I'll never find the love of my life."

    Maybe I am different. Admittedly, I am different.

    But if you're a business owner or entrepreneur, and you know how to write compelling copy or you have someone in your corner that can on your behalf... you are able to command your business destiny.

    - Rick

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    • Profile picture of the author Sam Mlambo
      Originally Posted by RickDuris View Post

      Are you a copywriter? Like a REAL copywriter?

      If you are, it is in your blood. You know this: You can't quit--it's just not your nature.

      I am a copywriter.

      And when I look at hard copy advertisements or videos or infomercials or websites, I can't help admire and learn. Like fine art and masterpieces at a museum, I appreciate the work that went into them.


      - Rick

      Right on! I've learned so much on powerful persuasion from watching infomercials. Sometimes my friends think I'm crazy because I enjoy watching the commercials more than the show What they don't know is that I'm studying so I can write immensely better.
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    • Profile picture of the author The Copy Nazi
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      Originally Posted by RickDuris View Post

      Are you a copywriter? Like a REAL copywriter?

      If you are, it is in your blood. You know this: You can't quit--it's just not your nature.

      I am a copywriter.

      And when I look at hard copy advertisements or videos or infomercials or websites, I can't help admire and learn. Like fine art and masterpieces at a museum, I appreciate the work that went into them.

      For me, quitting copywriting would be like saying "Oh, I'll never walk again." or "Oh, I'll never drive a car again." Or "Oh I'll never have sex again." Or "Oh, I'll never find the love of my life."

      Maybe I am different. Admittedly, I am different.

      But if you're a business owner or entrepreneur, and you know how to write compelling copy or you have someone in your corner that can on your behalf... you are able to command your business destiny.

      - Rick

      Can't stay away huh? Knew you'd be back. It's like crack cocaine this corner of the WF. Especially now we have a few more stirrers around. Like that clown Bidwell...and Subtle...and Ken Caudill and others. Good for the place I reckon. And nice to see you. Hey what do you think of my new positioning - "The Copy Nazi" - with the slogan "No copy for you!"

      I put three clients up against the wall and shot them this week. Feel much better. Oh yeah - and get this...I was so pissed off with clients I doubled my prices and they're loving it. Yeah "The Copy Nazi". Might see if I can get the URL.

      Stick around. We're having a few beers later and Fingers is gonna pull out his axe. While Big Kev gives us a pole dance. Bring your camera.

      Update: bewdy! I nabbed it - http://www.thecopynazi.com
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    • Profile picture of the author RickDuris
      Hi Metronicity

      Yes, I am back. And it's a good thing. And thank you for acknowledging.

      Circumstances have changed for me and I relish contributing.

      You'll see more from me in the days, weeks and months ahead. You make not like my posts, they may provoke you at times, but my words are only meant to inspire, encourage and inform.

      - Rick
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  • Profile picture of the author Kevin Lam
    Hahahahahahahaha, you guys are awesome. I do miss you guys. Always raw, but always fun.

    I can't be an erotic dancer... I'm Asian! I can only break dance.

    Wow, so many comments to respond to. I don't know where the heck to start.

    I'll start here.

    1) I am not saying you shouldn't write copy! I'm just telling how it is FOR ME... that's why I said "Why I left copywriting" not "Why YOU should leave copywriting". Totally different.

    2) I am not saying copywriting doesn't pay well enough... just not for me! There are great copywriters who get paid $10,000 or even $50,000... as much as I'd make for a launch in some cases, so not a bad deal at all.

    3) I love watching infomercials and reading ads myself. I like picking it apart and learning from all the good stuff. I just love learning.

    4) Metro - love you, man. You're always a blast.

    5) Paul, not trying to brag. I'll brag when I'm making $10 million, but by then, I'd be making too much to remember to come back and brag. So that day may never come.

    6) Thanks everyone for all the fun, encouragement and interaction.

    7) Good hearing from you David.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kevin Lam
    In the words of Napoleon Dynomite, "LUCKYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!"
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  • Profile picture of the author Kevin Lam
    I added some clarification to my thread so people can stop freak'n out. I still do copywriting, lol.
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  • Profile picture of the author copyassassin
    Originally Posted by RickDuris
    If you are, it is in your blood. You know this: You can't quit--it's just not your nature
    Rick's comment reminded me of Bond Halbert talking about his Dad's Pink Caddy.

    Gary loved to get a response.

    A turned head; a raised eye brow; a WTF = VICTORY!!!

    Us copywriters have this emotional need to get feedback. We need to be hated & loved.

    Like we have this emotional defect that requires a constant looping feedback of love and hate.

    It's our DNA. It's our nature.

    *No ADD pill will ever take that away.
    *No amount of therapy can fill it.
    *No drug is quite enough.

    Product launches are great. They make great money...

    ...But they are one-time affairs. Even at best they are monthly "get-a-ways".

    Copywriting is like marriage.

    1) Constant work/testing
    2) Constant feedback/tweaking/feedback

    It's the consistent testing/feedback loop of copywriting that is both energizing and completely devastating.

    And the difference is razor thin.

    And if given the choice between living in "security" or strapped is the tip of a nuclear missile...

    I chose the roll coaster!
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