$1000 budget for sales copy

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I have a project and I need copywriter. You must very good in English and have success experience in copy-writing.

You need to provide former works to prove that.

For personal reason I need pay $500 two times in two months, that's total $1000 USD.

It's internet marketing niche.
#budget #copy #sales
  • Profile picture of the author VanessaB
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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Scott
    Slightly off-topic... but if you're wanting to sell in the IM niche you need lots and lots of proof that your methods actually make money.

    And if you're struggling for funds to pay a copywriter... it's pretty obvious you're not making much.

    Putting aside the ethical ramifications of that scenario... your product will sell pretty poorly.

    I'd re-think this before you drop your savings on a copywriter.

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    • Profile picture of the author Jag82
      Originally Posted by Daniel Scott View Post

      Slightly off-topic... but if you're wanting to sell in the IM niche you need lots and lots of proof that your methods actually make money.

      And if you're struggling for funds to pay a copywriter... it's pretty obvious you're not making much.

      Putting aside the ethical ramifications of that scenario... your product will sell pretty poorly.

      I'd re-think this before you drop your savings on a copywriter.

      Hey Dan,

      I agree with you that in the IM niche, proof is crucial
      (in fact for other niches as well for that matter).

      And the product itself has to be of high quality.
      Or the advertising will just accelerate failure.

      That said...

      His product could be good...but maybe he lacks
      a good sales copy...and that's why he needs a good
      copywriter to help prop his sales up with a
      compelling sales message.

      We don't know yet.

      We don't know about his product...or his present
      sales record.

      He just cites that for personal reason, that he
      wants to pay in 2 parts of $500 each. I think that's
      a fair deal.

      Does paying in 2 parts constitute "struggling"?

      Maybe. Or he could just prefer to pay an upfront
      deposit first (to ensure the copywriter delivers).

      We don't know.

      You mean well, Dan.

      Let's not be too quick to jump to conclusion
      and add in our own "facts" though.

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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Scott
    Jag,

    It wasn't $500 up front and $500 on completion...

    It was $500 a month (over two months).

    I understand your point... but I think we can read between the lines on this one.

    In any other niche... it wouldn't matter so much.

    But I think selling "how to make money" info when you're obviously struggling is a pretty shady practice...

    ...not to mention it sets you up for failure.

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    • Profile picture of the author Ashley Gable
      Originally Posted by Daniel Scott View Post

      Jag,

      It wasn't $500 up front and $500 on completion...

      It was $500 a month (over two months).

      I understand your point... but I think we can read between the lines on this one.

      In any other niche... it wouldn't matter so much.

      But I think selling "how to make money" info when you're obviously struggling is a pretty shady practice...

      ...not to mention it sets you up for failure.

      -Dan
      He never said he was selling a product on 'how to make money'.

      He said he was selling to the 'internet marketing' niche, which could be anything from software, outsourcing, seo service, article writing service... you dont have to be rich to offer those do you?
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      • Profile picture of the author Daniel Scott
        Originally Posted by AshleyAA View Post

        He never said he was selling a product on 'how to make money'.

        He said he was selling to the 'internet marketing' niche, which could be anything from software, outsourcing, seo service, article writing service... you dont have to be rich to offer those do you?
        Money is how we keep score in this game.

        It's not about how many visitors you get... how many articles you write... or even what your conversion rate is...

        ...it's about money.

        To use the examples you have given...

        What good is software that doesn't produce results?

        What good is learning how to outsource... if the information doesn't produce more cash than you invest?

        What good is high SEO rankings if none of the keywords are used by people who buy stuff?

        What good is writing an article if you can't write an article that translates into sales?

        The OP says he wants to create a "quality" product... even though he clearly has no results of his own to speak of. How does he know it's going to work? It obviously hasn't worked for him...

        In this game... you need to generate results. Good intentions and wishful thinking just don't cut it.

        I think it's cool you went into bat for the guy... I really do. But we need to exercise some common sense here.

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        • Profile picture of the author Ashley Gable
          Originally Posted by Daniel Scott View Post

          Money is how we keep score in this game.

          It's not about how many visitors you get... how many articles you write... or even what your conversion rate is...

          ...it's about money.

          To use the examples you have given...

          What good is software that doesn't produce results?

          What good is learning how to outsource... if the information doesn't produce more cash than you invest?

          What good is high SEO rankings if none of the keywords are used by people who buy stuff?

          What good is writing an article if you can't write an article that translates into sales?

          The OP says he wants to create a "quality" product... even though he clearly has no results of his own to speak of. How does he know it's going to work? It obviously hasn't worked for him...

          In this game... you need to generate results. Good intentions and wishful thinking just don't cut it.

          I think it's cool you went into bat for the guy... I really do. But we need to exercise some common sense here.

          -Dan
          lol are you kidding me?

          For the longest time my brother had about 3 sites at the top of google, first spot in fact for several good keywords, so you could say he knew seo very well. And he does.

          But he never made any real money with them for about a year. Not because he neglected them, but because he just wasnt good at that part. I helped him to monetize it and now they are making a nice monthly income.

          Now you are telling me he shouldnt sell any sort of SEO service just because he personally couldnt figure out how to make money with the sites he ranked?

          No, of course he can offer his services, that is what he is good at.

          I wholeheartedly agree with you that just "You only need great freelancer", as the op said, is a horrible path for him and the people that buy it. But we really dont know what he is good at.

          And honestly I dont like the idea of someone else reading this and thinking that they will have to have made all sorts of money before they can sell a product or service that helps other people do some part of the internet marketing game.

          Some people arent just cut out for the actual marketing. Look at freelancers who do in fact write ebooks. Why wouldnt they just write them for themselves and sell them for themselves? Because they cant, they either dont know how, are scared, or just plain dont want to know how because they just like writing.

          I think it's cool you went into bat for the guy... I really do. But we need to exercise some common sense here.
          Again I think the common sense is lacking in your part. We cant expect everyone to know everything about making money online. I dont judge someones work by how much they made, if I am having an ebook written I will look at the work not how much they tell me they make. I am smart enough to judge their work. Not their bank account.

          I do agree that sales/money is how I gauge my success. And I agree that if someone doesnt know enough about something to make it work for themselves then they shouldnt be selling/offering it. But unless it is an actual "make money online" product then the "success-fulness" of the product or owner shouldn't be gauged by money, but instead by whatever particular result is wanted out of that specific part of your IM equation.

          Not in all cases though, if I am hiring a copywriter of course I want to know how much he usually brings in with this copy, etc. But that is a different story.

          If the op has just got into internet marketing and has no experience, in any part of im, then of course he should start somewhere else. Nothing gets me more frustrated then seeing people ask basic questions about something they are selling in there sig. People selling copywriting services but asking how to write a headline or some crap like that.

          I believe newbies should start in an non-im niche when starting out, then if they make that work, and work well, then they can come and sell something to us. But seo, article writing, etc, although as you pointed out dont matter much if you arent making sales, dont have to be written (for me at least) by all around successful im'ers.

          Anyways, to each his own. I respect your point of view.

          Ashley
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  • Profile picture of the author jimmychuang
    yeah but I have a good product idea, and I seen some people do it well in same niche, and they doesn't have better products.

    My English is not good and I never make lots of money online, I just have one good idea and try to make it become a real product.

    I choose IM niche because I found people selling products that suck like crazy! It means this market has no common sense, you don't need to become expert to do that. You only need great freelancer.
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    • Profile picture of the author willyboy104
      Originally Posted by jimmychuang View Post

      yeah but I have a good product idea, and I seen some people do it well in same niche, and they doesn't have better products.

      My English is not good and I never make lots of money online, I just have one good idea and try to make it become a real product.

      I choose IM niche because I found people selling products that suck like crazy! It means this market has no common sense, you don't need to become expert to do that. You only need great freelancer.
      Ha this guy actually has a point...the amount of crap available in the MMO niche is unbelievable.

      However that does not mean we need another one, so please ensure your product is actually quality and that your not just trying to exploit and over-exploited market.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bruce Wedding
    My advice to any copywriter considering this gig is, expect that you're working for $500 and will never see the other $500.
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  • Profile picture of the author maximus242
    Okay so I want to hire a copywriter, im not going to judge the copywriter by how many sales his copy makes -- no thats stupid. Instead im going to judge it based off of how much good he intends to do and how he intends to help me.

    Because thats going to put food in my mouth as opposed to someone with a history of making money for their clients.

    If you cant make money for yourself, then how do you expect to make money for other people. This is ridiculous I cant believe someones taking it seriously.

    And when someone says the IM niche they almost always mean make money opps or else theyd say what it was specifically. Not 100% of the time, but usually.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ashley Gable
      Originally Posted by maximus242 View Post

      Okay so I want to hire a copywriter, im not going to judge the copywriter by how many sales his copy makes -- no thats stupid. Instead im going to judge it based off of how much good he intends to do and how he intends to help me.

      Because thats going to put food in my mouth as opposed to someone with a history of making money for their clients.

      If you cant make money for yourself, then how do you expect to make money for other people. This is ridiculous I cant believe someones taking it seriously.

      And when someone says the IM niche they almost always mean make money opps or else theyd say what it was specifically. Not 100% of the time, but usually.
      The problem didnt arise from the op wanting to hire a copywriter, the discussion became more about the op wanting to sell to the IM market when he seems to have no experience in making money online.

      My point of view was that if he is really good at seo, or can write great well researched articles, or whatever, he an still provide a great service to other im'ers without actually being an internet marketer himself.
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