Hubby Did My Copy! Should I Sack Him?

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Okay, so I've finally finished my first 'product' and I'm ready to sell.

This is a 'tester' before I put together something more specific for fast and effective weight loss.

It isn't his job, but my husband has an interest in 'selling' and persuasion. Not for any other reason I don't think than the fact that it interests him.

Anyway, he wanted to have a go at doing the copy. He tried to use my voice, which is, as he says, very feminine and quite passive on my website (see sig for my blog).

So, he's had a go. But, both he and I would love to know if it's any good.

Obviously that'll not be clear until traffic is sent, but you may be able to inform us that either, it's pretty good, needs a few adjustments, or is totally useless!!

Feel free to share your honest opinion. We're not sensitive people

edit: http://healthyeatinghandbook.com
#copy #hubby #sack
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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Scott
    Maybe if you share a URL so we can look at the page...?

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  • Profile picture of the author Dietriffic
    lol. If I say it's 12:45am, will that do as an excuse?

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  • Profile picture of the author Loren Woirhaye
    I didn't read it all but it's pretty confusing because the claim
    is that the product makes you healthy and rich... then says
    it helps you save money.

    ...saving money on food doesn't make you rich.

    Negative appeals can work - positive appeals are usually better.

    Tell them what they get, but don't confuse 'em. Don't make it
    about your story. Make it about the reader's interests. If
    your story strongly supports your reader getting what he or
    she wants, use it to support your claim only.

    Nobody wants to read about your internet marketing story if they
    want to lose weight. Your success at making money online isn't
    interesting in a dietary context.

    My opinion is you're going to lose 'em in the headline because the
    appeal isn't clear.
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    • Profile picture of the author ewenmack
      Hi Melanie,

      I like your headline structure and layout...But it's too vague.

      You started out with 'give me 15 minutes a week' which is fantastic, but then it losses the plot.

      What will the reader get within a set period of time?

      What doesn't she have to give up to get the outcome you say?

      Get those and now you have a more interested reader.

      All the best,

      Ewen

      P.S. Here's a link http://www.annconvery.com/comic.php to a cartoon of a weight lose expert explaining what she does to a woman scoffing down food while also talking.

      The second part shows the different response the lady pitching the weight lose gets from taking a different approach.

      Very funny...VERY instructive in getting your pitch right.

      Right up your alley because it's about your market and you getting the right message.
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  • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
    Five, six, seven paragraphs after the salutation and I still have no idea what this is about. I'd say get right down to business and lay it out there. Good luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Scott
    Your husband has chops... but he's trying to be too clever.

    Remember... your readers are lazy.

    They want an immediate payoff... without having to "join the dots" in the sales pitch for you.

    Talk about THEM and what THEIR problems are... and I bet this page will look very different (and convert a lot better).

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  • Profile picture of the author gjabiz
    Melanie,

    Here was my experience.

    I tried to read with the TV in the background. I thought, let me mute the TV, because I'm not getting this.

    Then, I thought, I'll turn off the picture too and CONCENTRATE.

    And I still couldn't figure out what this was about...IF you know I am busy, as you say you do...why does it take so long to tell me what and/or who the enemy is?

    I was totally lost in the opening, the top of the fold, all the way down to "Fad Diets" as being identified as the enemy. And by then, I was totally LOST and uninterested.

    Let's look at your copy. At the top the eyey catches the 3 Shave, Save and Lose...I can barely read the 'cover' of your work on the left.

    So who is this work targeted toward? The overweight working woman pressed for time to cook and who is on a tight food budget? Seems overly ambitious in my opinion.

    Ok then, I've got 15 minutes a week to get wealthier and healtier...HOW?

    Then you "tease" me with what you've done in the last 3 years and now I have to be patient and wait for you to tell me.

    the flit from product to product thing doesn't fit in, I don't even know what this is...

    then you tell me we have a mutual enemy.

    And then blah, blah blah all the way down to and past testimonials for what, I don't know until I find the enemy is Fad Diets.

    Of course, you can test this. I'd be very surprised if it worked for anyone.

    I know that long copy is vogue for many here, and I use it myself, but you need to get to BENEFITS and reasons why much much sooner, like in the very beginning of your copy and tell people what the heck healthy eating is...what it can do for the reader.

    It seems, in my reading experience, and although it was difficult for me, maybe because of ADD or the attention span of a flea...it took me forever to read it all and then I wondered why?

    My opinion is your promotion could be half of what you wrote, put the BENEFITS up at the top, tell them what they are going to get, don't make them guess and wonder and try to discover the "enemy"...tell em what and why the enemy is WHY you have the solution.

    Fire Hubby? NO, but tell him to quit taking all the copy advice he's read to heart.

    YOU write the copy to your best friend (Deb below), your sister.

    Dear BFF,

    Healthy eating has changed my life Deb. I'm so much happier now and I've even got some extra money in my bank account to buy some of the fun things in life.

    You and I have a common enemy. FAD diets. You know, LA diet, watermelon diet, pumpkin diet, south beach, atkins, tinkers to evers to chance diet.

    etc etc.

    I guarantee a more PERSONAL letter with your story weaved into it will work far better thant his "copywriting" APPROACH your hubs has adapeted. As it is now, it sounds like someone (YOU) are trying very hard to SELL someone something.

    Try, instead, to tell your best friend, your mother WHAT you have and WHY.

    Get out of the trying to sell something and into HELPING people and try writing from the heart and not the head.

    gjabiz

    PS. Just one opinion. Now, I'm turning my TV back on, I'm EXHAUSTED after reading your sales pitch.



    Originally Posted by Dietriffic View Post

    Okay, so I've finally finished my first 'product' and I'm ready to sell.

    This is a 'teser' before I put together something more specific for fast and effective weight loss.

    It isn't his job, but my husband has an interest in 'selling' and persuasion. Not for any other reason I don't think than the fact that it interests him.

    Anyway, he wanted to have a go at doing the copy. He tried to use my voice, which is, as he says, very feminine and quite passive on my website (see sig for my blog).

    So, he's had a go. But, both he and I would love to know if it's any good.

    Obviously that'll not be clear until traffic is sent, but you may be able to inform us that either, it's pretty good, needs a few adjustments, or is totally useless!!

    Feel free to share your honest opinion. We're not sensitive people

    edit: Healthy Eating Handbook ? Exclusive Inner Health Club
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  • Profile picture of the author Rezbi
    Melanie,

    Like Gordon says, you need to get to the point. Quickly.

    People are not going to wait till they get half way down to find out what it's all about.

    Assume your prospect is only going to look at the page for less than 10 seconds before leaving. Tell them what it's about within that time.

    Imagine you just have to make that sale - Now tell your prospect all the benefits of the product and why they should buy it. Now.
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  • Profile picture of the author Loren Woirhaye
    You husband has ideas for writing copy - that's good.

    Now he needs to work on structure and editing out what
    doesn't work.

    Many salesletters are started with a headline and a "deck"
    that doesn't make it into the final version. Even top pros
    keep re-writing the stuff at the top until the very end of the
    writing process. Sometimes the direction of the letter evolves
    in writing it and you have to go back and rebuild the front
    end of it. This is not a flaw, just the process. The mistake
    is running your copy without really working on the top
    and the order form, which are where the 2 critical decisions
    take place: the decision to explore your offer and the
    decision to buy.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bruce NewMedia
    A few have already mentioned this, but I still want to reiterate that the head and the letter itself are far too vague. The claims are too broad to grab attention or be believable.

    Most of the copy can be eliminated and replaced with a front-loaded problem/solution formula....bullets with strong benefits (specifics) should follow. As it is now, its a long (very long) story that goes nowhere... Just a graphics note: The light gray bullet paragraphs alternating with black text paragraphs does not work - hard to read.

    Oh, and every husband deserves credit when he's trying to help his wife...:-)
    _____
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    • Profile picture of the author mrdomains
      One of my rules is to avoid mixing family with business. Your Hubby may have an interest in words and deserves credit for helping you, but I suggest you do sack him

      Apart from what the others have mentioned it is.. important, no .. imperative, to keep the we, I, them, they, singular, plural, here, there, now, before, etc in order.

      "We have an enemy, you and I. I don’t know your particular experience with them.."

      "Something a busy mom can start immediately, and adapt to fit their lifestyle.."

      There are sections in there that lack flow and relevance no matter how many times you read it. Such as
      "Like the aspiring entrepreneur who only sees the success stories of others, and is blind to the fact that most fail, losing all their money. And not realizing that those who succeed, often lose their life in business."

      The structure is really hard on the eye and feels slangy and unfinished.
      On top of that I personally don´t like the font or design. Way too long and the "enemy war" theme is not something I would use when addressing mainly female buyers.

      There - a lot of negatives but you did ask :p

      Get the Hubby a cold beer and give the copy job to someone else.
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  • Profile picture of the author joshril
    I agree with what everyone else has been saying... It needs to get to the point quite a bit faster. Think about WIIFM (What's in it for me)... That's what your readers are thinking about when they read through yours sales page. If they can't figure out what you're offering them and why it benefits them quickly, it's over.

    As mentioned above, personal stories are great if they support the product/service you're trying to sell and relate well with the average reader.

    Add some big benefit bullets and get to the point a lot faster. You'll see some major improvements in your conversion percentages! Frankly, for a $17 product, you really don't need a sales page that's this lengthy in my opinion. As it is now, most people won't make it to the "Add to cart" button.

    Cheers,


    Joshua

    P.S. - Your sales letter has a lot of "I'm going to do this..." phrases... Try changing these types of phrases to "you're going to get...", "you'll be able to...", "you'll (big benefit statement here)". This will make the sales letter substantially better. More "you" and less "I".
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  • Profile picture of the author prettyboy
    You'll have a hard time selling this.

    Here's why:

    I hit the buy button and it went to some other diet site where I don't see where you can actually buy anything. The buy area is a very sticky area and often times I see cases like this. The product developer often wonders why no sales are coming in. I'm guessing the buy area is still in development or something, but make sure you change this.
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  • Profile picture of the author Katharin
    Originally Posted by Dietriffic View Post

    Okay, so I've finally finished my first 'product' and I'm ready to sell.
    I'd choose to be more direct and probably cut the number of words in half. When I read the part about the moths, my thought was that it would be great as a creative writing exercise, but most likely not in copywriting for a diet product.

    That said, good luck with your sales... it's definitely the sort of thing that people are begging for... make it easier for them to be convinced this is what they want by being direct and in less time. One example is that I don't think people will care too much about saving money and time, etc. If they're looking for a diet to become healthier, that would be the main concern, not saving money or time in the kitchen.
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  • Profile picture of the author John_S
    Okay, why aren't the testimonials about how the buyers think the food tastes great, they felt no hunger pains, and lost 17 pounds -- or the doctor told them they can stop taking their diabetes medication?

    If you realize I'm so busy, then why are you pawing the ground for paragraphs rather than getting to the point? Is this a philosophy book, because where's the food?

    You went to university? For what? How about something relevant, like you're a professional nutritionist. You go on and on, but seem to fanatically avoid any specific which would lend credibility to your story. (Stories have detail. Yours doesn't)

    There is no detail, like you offer fifty children's lunch recipes that kids won't trade for junk when they get to school. That you tested this, with a bunch of kids. Maybe while you were "wining the war," "shifting the battlefield," or whatever. Dump that. Detail what actually happened ....at diabetes support groups ...in school cafeterias ....at weight watchers anonymous meetings

    What this seems is a battlefield without any battles. And certainly no wins.

    Or any scrap of detail that this won't seem like a sacrifice.

    The whole letter goes out if its way to avoid any real information for making the decision to buy. It's all vague generalities without a hook, a single detail, or a reason for any specific target customer to buy. Unfocused and unsure of what you're really selling, the copy doesn't seem to want to say anything.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dietriffic
    Guys...

    It has been a few days. On behalf of my husband and I, thank you so much.

    Loren, travelinguy, Daniel, ewen, gja, rezbi, bruce, mrdomains, joshua, katharin, and john... THANK YOU!

    Based on the contributions of most of you, he took another stab.

    He's gone away from the 'fighting fad diets' focus...

    Check it out: Healthy Eating Handbook ? A Guide To Good Health On A Budget

    Again, if you dare to look, honest opinions are appreciated.
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    • Profile picture of the author ewenmack
      Hi Melanie,

      It's looking good, and here comes the BUT!

      These are smaller things which can bump up the conversions.

      At the top it said "lose weight and deal with failure". Very confusing and a negative as the last word is failure.

      In your sig you have RD...if that is your qualification then put that at the end of your name at the introduction and sign off. Adds more authority to what you say.

      If you go to Honest Online and get their stamp and put it at the buy button, then it will help in more sales.

      Rest is a design issue. If you get the page wider, there will be room to fit in sidebars to place authoritive quotes and more client feedback.

      Have more headlines ready to test against this one for the best performer.

      Han't gone through to see if there are issues with the copy, I'll leave that for others.

      Looks good with the clear, qualyfying headline and siding with the readers belief then backing it up with an authoritive quote.

      Better cook hubby one of your delicous meals for his hard work!

      All the best,
      Ewen

      P.S. Had a look at your blog and I see you have 2 awards and network member. If they can be worked into your sidbars too would be great, as many readers will be looking for just ONE reason not to buy. As a seller you need everything that you can lay your hands on to get the sale.
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      • Profile picture of the author Dietriffic
        Originally Posted by ewenmack View Post

        Hi Melanie,

        It's looking good, and here comes the BUT!

        These are smaller things which can bump up the conversions.

        At the top it said "lose weight and deal with failure". Very confusing and a negative as the last word is failure.

        In your sig you have RD...if that is your qualification then put that at the end of your name at the introduction and sign off. Adds more authority to what you say.

        If you go to Honest Online and get their stamp and put it at the buy button, then it will help in more sales.

        Rest is a design issue. If you get the page wider, there will be room to fit in sidebars to place authoritive quotes and more client feedback.

        Have more headlines ready to test against this one for the best performer.

        Han't gone through to see if there are issues with the copy, I'll leave that for others.

        Looks good with the clear, qualyfying headline and siding with the readers belief then backing it up with an authoritive quote.

        Better cook hubby one of your delicous meals for his hard work!

        All the best,
        Ewen

        P.S. Had a look at your blog and I see you have 2 awards and network member. If they can be worked into your sidbars too would be great, as many readers will be looking for just ONE reason not to buy. As a seller you need everything that you can lay your hands on to get the sale.
        Thanks Ewen.

        1. We changed the wording of the header as you pointed out the negativity.

        2. Added 'RD' after my name.

        3. Is that Welcome to HONESTe Online ? Will it genuinely increase conversions? I'll definitely check this out.

        4. I'm going to do an internal launch for this, and then get testimonials from them (hopefully). Thereafter I'll add a sidebar with their contributions and other authoritative material.

        Thanks again!!

        P.S. Why do you think hubby did this for me? He's spoilt rotten with my delicious and healthy meals!!
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        • Profile picture of the author ewenmack
          Hi Melanie,

          Having the honest online symbol probabaly won't make much difference then because the people reading it allready know you.

          Let us know when you are launching...you must be excited and nervous at the same time!

          All the best,
          Ewen

          P.S.Looks like you and hubby have a great deal going then!

          P.P.S.Hey, he can go and get paid to write sales letters for others now.


          Originally Posted by Dietriffic View Post

          Thanks Ewen.

          1. We changed the wording of the header as you pointed out the negativity.

          2. Added 'RD' after my name.

          3. Is that Welcome to HONESTe Online ? Will it genuinely increase conversions? I'll definitely check this out.

          4. I'm going to do an internal launch for this, and then get testimonials from them (hopefully). Thereafter I'll add a sidebar with their contributions and other authoritative material.

          Thanks again!!

          P.S. Why do you think hubby did this for me? He's spoilt rotten with my delicious and healthy meals!!
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          • Profile picture of the author ewenmack
            Just went back and had a look at the negative word fix...still not right.

            "Continualsly' can have people thinking.."oh my god, I'll end up a stick!"

            Better wording would be ..."AND stay at your desired weight".

            See the difference, they get what they want.

            All the best,
            Ewen
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            • Profile picture of the author Dietriffic
              Originally Posted by ewenmack View Post

              Just went back and had a look at the negative word fix...still not right.

              "Continualsly' can have people thinking.."oh my god, I'll end up a stick!"

              Better wording would be ..."AND stay at your desired weight".

              See the difference, they get what they want.

              All the best,
              Ewen
              Nicely observed!

              How about "Hit your target weight and maintain it easily" ?
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              • Profile picture of the author ewenmack
                Originally Posted by Dietriffic View Post

                Nicely observed!

                How about "Hit your target weight and maintain it easily" ?
                Yes they are both positive outcomes, so will do well.

                Having a follow up with email to your list will get you more money long term than just relying on your sales letter too Melanie.

                For a case study on this, go to Autoresponder Boot Camp

                All the best,
                Ewen
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                • Profile picture of the author Dietriffic
                  Originally Posted by ewenmack View Post

                  Yes they are both positive outcomes, so will do well.

                  Having a follow up with email to your list will get you more money long term than just relying on your sales letter too Melanie.

                  For a case study on this, go to Autoresponder Boot Camp

                  All the best,
                  Ewen
                  Yep, I'm actually setting in up this very second!!

                  Is it okay to just do a pop up with an autoresponder covering the top ten diet myths, covering a myth in each email, then a soft push reminder of the Healthy Eating Handbook at the end?
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                  • Profile picture of the author ewenmack
                    Originally Posted by Dietriffic View Post

                    Yep, I'm actually setting in up this very second!!

                    Is it okay to just do a pop up with an autoresponder covering the top ten diet myths, covering a myth in each email, then a soft push reminder of the Healthy Eating Handbook at the end?
                    Yes giving answers to what your readers want to know first and then alert them to get the full story at your e-book is the way to go.

                    It works best in a 3 step process...short email alerting to great information on your blog...
                    information on blog and guide them to get the full story at your sales page...sales page makes the sale.

                    A great way to make sure you are giving what your readers want is by asking them to take a survey. You can do this at surveymonkey.com.

                    You can ask them questions like..."what are your top 3 challenges with x.

                    X could be preparing meals for the family.
                    x could be recipies for the family.
                    x could be for school lunches.
                    x could be healthy and quick.

                    Obviously you always ask questions that you would expect to answer well.

                    What are you cooking up for hubby tonight?

                    All the best,
                    Ewen
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              • Profile picture of the author Rezbi
                Originally Posted by Dietriffic View Post

                Nicely observed!

                How about "Hit your target weight and maintain it easily" ?
                If you were talking to a friend, is that how you would say it?
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                • Profile picture of the author Dietriffic
                  Originally Posted by Rezbi View Post

                  If you were talking to a friend, is that how you would say it?
                  Well, it's my husbands wording, but I don't find it too difficult to imagine I could say something similar.

                  Todd,
                  On your insight, we've added 'Registered Dietitian' in the pre head.

                  We've also clarified (I think) what the product is a little better in the subhead.

                  Not sure about bringing the letter closer to the headline though.

                  Thanks!
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                  • Profile picture of the author mrdomains
                    Better, in all honesty though I haven´t read through the new page.

                    Just looking at it.. I would try to highlight the major points so they stand out vigorously instead of the sprinkled bolding etc. And I would slash all of it in half. At least.

                    Less is always more in my book. It is a salespage - every word needs to count - otherwise get rid of them. Scrolling down and eyeing the headlines at 3/4 of the page there is still no call to action.

                    Selling is war. Salespages and words are your weapons.
                    If you decide to pull out a weapon be sure you intend to use it.

                    Why use peace sign when there is pepper spray?.. joking.. :p but I think your campaign will profit from being much more direct, with less words and less circumstantial info.

                    Why do I need it etc, what can it do for me, how do I get it.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Dietriffic
                      Originally Posted by mrdomains View Post

                      Better, in all honesty though I haven´t read through the new page.

                      Just looking at it.. I would try to highlight the major points so they stand out vigorously instead of the sprinkled bolding etc. And I would slash all of it in half. At least.

                      Less is always more in my book. It is a salespage - every word needs to count - otherwise get rid of them. Scrolling down and eyeing the headlines at 3/4 of the page there is still no call to action.

                      Selling is war. Salespages and words are your weapons.
                      If you decide to pull out a weapon be sure you intend to use it.

                      Why use peace sign when there is pepper spray?.. joking.. :p but I think your campaign will profit from being much more direct, with less words and less circumstantial info.

                      Why do I need it etc, what can it do for me, how do I get it.
                      We'll add a few smaller 'add to cart' buttons through the copy.

                      Cut it in half? Not sure about that. You're not interested in reading it, of course, but you're not a mum looking establish better health in her home and keen to save money. Such might want more details, such as the background and 'reason why' this product is for sale, etc.

                      But, maybe you're right. We'll not know until we start sending traffic I suppose.
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                  • Profile picture of the author kellyburdes
                    I didn't read the copy cos it's been a mad house around here the last few days with school going back, the stock market going nuts, and my son has been sick. I probably make the chicken who lost his head look like he knows which way he is heading....but...

                    Don't say something "similar" to what you would say.

                    People try to write in a way that would please their English teacher, and it kills conversions. Write EXACTLY as you would speak.



                    Originally Posted by Dietriffic View Post

                    Well, it's my husbands wording, but I don't find it too difficult to imagine I could say something similar.
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                    • Profile picture of the author writeandreview
                      Originally Posted by kellyburdes View Post

                      People try to write in a way that would please their English teacher, and it kills conversions. Write EXACTLY as you would speak.
                      I've seen this before. And I've wondered, when copywriters write this, do they really mean "EXACTLY"?

                      I take it most copywriters actually mean "lose the formality" and "adopt a casual, conversational tone".

                      Reading something written "EXACTLY" how a person speaks would make a boring read. Even the best dialogues aren't written "EXACTLY" as spoken.

                      As Sol Stein wrote, "Talk is repetitive, full of rambling, incomplete or run-on sentences and usually contains a lot of unnecessary words." Not many folks enjoy reading court transcripts, even of dramatic confrontations.

                      BTW, the English teachers I know don't advocate formal, stuffy writing. Many are storytellers and novelists. They advocate writing with directness and warmth and concision.

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                      • Profile picture of the author kellyburdes
                        Yes, you should get rid of the uhms and ahhs and stammering..and not be like my mom and take 43 minutes and 41 seconds to tell a 3 minute story.

                        But, in the 3 minutes it takes you to tell the story, it should be able to read out loud and sound pretty close to conversational.

                        I think a lot of English teachers are a like that - I know that mine most certainly were not. They thought of themselves as getting us ready to write papers in college - and that was something that took me a long time to ditch.



                        Originally Posted by writeandreview View Post

                        I've seen this before. And I've wondered, when copywriters write this, do they really mean "EXACTLY"?

                        I take it most copywriters actually mean "lose the formality" and "adopt a casual, conversational tone".

                        Reading something written "EXACTLY" how a person speaks would make a boring read. Even the best dialogues aren't written "EXACTLY" as spoken.

                        As Sol Stein wrote, "Talk is repetitive, full of rambling, incomplete or run-on sentences and usually contains a lot of unnecessary words." Not many folks enjoy reading court transcripts, even of dramatic confrontations.

                        BTW, the English teachers I know don't advocate formal, stuffy writing. Many are storytellers and novelists. They advocate writing with directness and warmth and concision.

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  • Profile picture of the author Todd R
    Are you a registered dietician? Is that what RN stands for? The sales letter doesn't get into that at the beginning and your letter "Dear Freinds," doesn't feature it up front.

    The headline doesn't let me know that you're selling a dietary product. I'm confused right off the bat and ready to move on.

    The most compelling part is your letter that describes your expertise and offers you proof that you could do much more with -- especially if you are a dietician. Where are the results? Get them out there quicly. I'd move this letter much closer to the headline. That is after I changed the headline.

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  • Profile picture of the author Dietriffic
    Well, it has been a while.

    A year in fact!!! Which I can hardly believe.

    Sales haven't been great. Apart from a few concentrated efforts of sending traffic, we're only getting a few sales from this page/month.

    The conversion has been about 1%.

    However, my husband looked at it last night and this morning (he's supposed to be doing other stuff!!) and he has:
    • Redesigned the header.
    • Given it a new headline and sub-headline.
    • Reworded a lot of it, especially the opening number of sentences up to 'Dear Friend'.
    • Tried to focus who it communicates with a little more.
    • And cut the overall copy from 3,417 words to 2,973.

    If anyone has a moment, we'd love feedback.

    Visit: How to be Healthy

    P.S. I need to get my husband to focus on the NEW project. Any tips for that?
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  • Profile picture of the author MissLizzie
    Personally, I think your hubby's missed a trick. You clearly have some great credentials to sell an ebook on healthy eating, but we have to scroll down the page to find out who you are, and then, there's only a couple of sentences. I'd develop this, and put it much closer to the beginning.

    You also don't answer the question about why the information in your handbook is different from the information that you give away on your blog. If I was feeling really tight, I'd think that I could get all this stuff for free on the internet... so why should I pay you the money for an ebook?

    I also wonder whether your copy is too knowing for the diet market too. He talks about you not being a marketer or a salesperson right at the beginning, but would your target audience really be aware of the whole internet marketing thing? Again, something to think about....
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    • Profile picture of the author writeandreview
      Hi -

      I know how hard it can be to write your first long form letter. I feel your hubby's pain.

      Some grammar tips that may help:
      1. Try not to overuse passive verbs like "will be". Look for the closest action verb and use it instead.
      2. Most sentences "read better" when you start off with the object followed by the action.
      3. When it doesn't hurt conversational "flow", delete filler phrases. For example, this phrase "In order to help you apply ..." can be shortened to "To help you" without losing the meaning of the sentence. And it helps with pacing.
      4. Ensure the adverbs, adjectives and adverbs you choose are appropriate. The word "ruthlessly" doesn't really belong in this sentence in the copy: "I ruthlessly combined the most effective tried and tested techniques to adapting lifelong healthy eating habits."

      Recently, I've become a huge fan of bullets. In fact, I like them so much that I now begin every sales copy project (long or short) by listing them out.

      I've taken a few of your bullets and converted them to bullets that may give you jumping off points. My bullets aren't perfect, but hopefully they'll give you some ideas.
      • Easily transform the eating habits of you and your family (even the stubborn ones).


      • The missing guide that easily transforms your kids (and even your hubby) into broccoli, spinach and healthy food eating machines

      • Be able to apply tried and proven (yet little known) techniques to save significant cash on your groceries... Immediately!


      • Four proven (yet little known) ways to save significant cash on your next trip to the supermarket.

      • Educate yourself on your own weaknesses when failing to eat healthy, and be able to overcome them.


      • Why 90% of adults walk into a store and "automatically" reach for the worst possible foods imaginable. (And how learning a few simple facts will make sure you're never one of those adults.)


      Hope this helps.
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  • Profile picture of the author max5ty
    I looked over your site, and thought it was quite boring.

    Get rid of the stock photos at the top -- take some pics and videos -- you can use your cell phone if that's all you have.

    Example: You grocery shopping, showing you picking good food choices, etc. Even if it's not professional, people love amateur stuff - example youtube.com.

    The headlines under the pics at the top were lame.

    "25 Fat Loss Tips To Get You In Shape". Who cares, it's not a new headline that inspires anyone to read further.

    You're not thinking through the benefits -- why do they want to get in shape?

    "Better Sex", probably would grab more attention. Most people have ulterior motives to getting in better shape or eating better. You need to focus on the benefits more in your headlines. After all, being in good shape leads to a better sex life, right? Sex sells. Don't be shy about using it in your promotions.

    We're a sex crazed society -- it sells billions on T.V, radio, and in print ads -- learn to take advantage of it.

    Diets and exercise programs are all about people wanting to look good. It's all about the way they want to be perceived sexually - just being honest.

    What makes some copywriters good is that they know how to take a product and strip it all the way down to the most simplest, every day basic benefit that people are looking for - then drive it home.

    You haven't yet thought your way through what you're offering. You need to sit down and brainstorm your way down to the nitty gritty -- that's when you start hitting pay dirt.

    Kill the pop-up, it sounds like a desperate plea for email addresses.

    I was looking through some of your other headlines, they were boring also.

    Your husband is trying -- but he's trying to be cute in a way that plays it safe, he's not hitting the emotions that get people to buy.

    You've got to get bold -- quit trying to pander to the little old ladies...as far as they're concerned, your 1980 Ford Escort is still running, so what else would you want?

    Get out there, get bold and go after the real money.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dietriffic
    Replies to you all are coming soon. Thank you.

    But I just wanted to address one person...

    @max5ty
    Thank you for taking the time to give your thoughts.

    HOWEVER... you're not on the same page. Literally!

    I was actually completely lost when I started reading your comment, lol.

    You're passing comments on my blog, which although it's 'selling' to some degree, it has an entirely different goal than a sales pages.

    I'll take what you said to heart where it is relevant. But the sales page the rest of us are looking at is here: How To Be Healthy: The Healthy Eating Plan Teaching You How To Eat Healthy for Life

    Come and join us once you get off the drugs and come back to earth
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  • Profile picture of the author max5ty
    Ok, well, I just looked over things here, and I guess you have more than one post where you're asking for help.

    I just noticed this post was started over a year ago.

    I'll try and get off the drugs, but you make it confusing with all the different posts.

    I was -- oh heck who knows, I was offering advice on your website.

    Thanks for the advice -- been thinking about being drug free for quite a while now.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dietriffic
      Originally Posted by MissLizzie View Post

      Personally, I think your hubby's missed a trick. You clearly have some great credentials to sell an ebook on healthy eating, but we have to scroll down the page to find out who you are, and then, there's only a couple of sentences. I'd develop this, and put it much closer to the beginning.

      You also don't answer the question about why the information in your handbook is different from the information that you give away on your blog. If I was feeling really tight, I'd think that I could get all this stuff for free on the internet... so why should I pay you the money for an ebook?

      I also wonder whether your copy is too knowing for the diet market too. He talks about you not being a marketer or a salesperson right at the beginning, but would your target audience really be aware of the whole internet marketing thing? Again, something to think about....
      He says he thought about moving the 'Dear Friend' and my credentials closer to the top. Thanks for confirming that. The reason he went with only a few sentences is because he thought if he wrote too much people might think 'who cares'.

      Good point. The primary info is not anywhere on my blog, but that's not mentioned. Excellent tip.

      As for the marketer bit, that's another good point. He doesn't know. Neither do I. He's going for the "I'm not trying to sell you, but if you're like me then I've something to share..."

      Originally Posted by writeandreview View Post

      Hi -

      I know how hard it can be to write your first long form letter. I feel your hubby's pain.

      Some grammar tips that may help:
      1. Try not to overuse passive verbs like "will be". Look for the closest action verb and use it instead.
      2. Most sentences "read better" when you start off with the object followed by the action.
      3. When it doesn't hurt conversational "flow", delete filler phrases. For example, this phrase "In order to help you apply ..." can be shortened to "To help you" without losing the meaning of the sentence. And it helps with pacing.
      4. Ensure the adverbs, adjectives and adverbs you choose are appropriate. The word "ruthlessly" doesn't really belong in this sentence in the copy: "I ruthlessly combined the most effective tried and tested techniques to adapting lifelong healthy eating habits."

      Recently, I've become a huge fan of bullets. In fact, I like them so much that I now begin every sales copy project (long or short) by listing them out.

      I've taken a few of your bullets and converted them to bullets that may give you jumping off points. My bullets aren't perfect, but hopefully they'll give you some ideas.
      • Easily transform the eating habits of you and your family (even the stubborn ones).


      • The missing guide that easily transforms your kids (and even your hubby) into broccoli, spinach and healthy food eating machines

      • Be able to apply tried and proven (yet little known) techniques to save significant cash on your groceries... Immediately!


      • Four proven (yet little known) ways to save significant cash on your next trip to the supermarket.

      • Educate yourself on your own weaknesses when failing to eat healthy, and be able to overcome them.


      • Why 90% of adults walk into a store and "automatically" reach for the worst possible foods imaginable. (And how learning a few simple facts will make sure you're never one of those adults.)


      Hope this helps.
      Some good advice here, too. Thanks for understanding the challenge of writing copy.

      He's going to try the bullets.

      On the grammar...

      You mean make the verbs present continuous, rather than future where possible?

      Great example on the 'filler'. Well spotted. I always try to remove the word 'that' when it's not necessary, but some phrases are so familiar they're hard to spot.

      I wondered about ruthlessly, too. Top work.

      Originally Posted by kellyburdes View Post

      I didn't read the copy cos it's been a mad house around here the last few days with school going back, the stock market going nuts, and my son has been sick. I probably make the chicken who lost his head look like he knows which way he is heading....but...

      Don't say something "similar" to what you would say.

      People try to write in a way that would please their English teacher, and it kills conversions. Write EXACTLY as you would speak.
      I think the rewritten parts are definitely more conversational than the older copy.

      Thanks Kelly. My daughter isn't at school yet, so I've all that sort of madness to look forward too
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    • Profile picture of the author Dietriffic
      Originally Posted by max5ty View Post

      Ok, well, I just looked over things here, and I guess you have more than one post where you're asking for help.

      I just noticed this post was started over a year ago.

      I'll try and get off the drugs, but you make it confusing with all the different posts.

      I was -- oh heck who knows, I was offering advice on your website.

      Thanks for the advice -- been thinking about being drug free for quite a while now.
      Sorry for any confusion.

      Like I say, some of your advice was relevant.

      Oh, and definitely avoid the drugs, leisure AND medical (if you can)
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      • Profile picture of the author max5ty
        Originally Posted by Dietriffic View Post

        Sorry for any confusion.

        Like I say, some of your advice was relevant.

        Oh, and definitely avoid the drugs, leisure AND medical (if you can)
        I'm trying hard -- maybe someday I'll make some money at this.
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        • Profile picture of the author Dietriffic
          Originally Posted by max5ty View Post

          I'm trying hard -- maybe someday I'll make some money at this.
          You just need to find something and stick with it.

          I've been blogging since March 2007, and it has taken me a long time to make it into something profitable.

          Partially because I never entered into it to make money at it. Thus, I had to have a paradigm shift to change what I was trying to do.

          Starting something with a clear plan is easier.

          Start it and stick with it, whatever it is you choose.
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          • As a reader I like when bonuses (your workbook, fridge chart, etc) have e-book covers or similar kinds of graphics--it helps them look "more real."

            You can get plenty of them in the War Room.
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          • Profile picture of the author max5ty
            Originally Posted by Dietriffic View Post

            You just need to find something and stick with it.

            I've been blogging since March 2007, and it has taken me a long time to make it into something profitable.

            Partially because I never entered into it to make money at it. Thus, I had to have a paradigm shift to change what I was trying to do.

            Starting something with a clear plan is easier.

            Start it and stick with it, whatever it is you choose.
            Good advice for anyone to follow.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mel White
    I liked it (and he has an excellent writing style) but it's a bit long.

    I *ALSO* wanted to know the price MUCH earlier. I don't like clicking on a "click here" and finding out someone wants me to shell out $100 or something. I want a price up front.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dietriffic
      Thanks again guys.

      I've got him to implement a lot of the above advice. I now introduce myself much earlier and bullets have been added to the top.

      Originally Posted by Joe Ditzel View Post

      As a reader I like when bonuses (your workbook, fridge chart, etc) have e-book covers or similar kinds of graphics--it helps them look "more real."

      You can get plenty of them in the War Room.
      Good tip Joe. I'll pass this on.

      He was also wondering about adding more images to the copy if we could think of relevant ones.

      Originally Posted by Mel White View Post

      I liked it (and he has an excellent writing style) but it's a bit long.

      I *ALSO* wanted to know the price MUCH earlier. I don't like clicking on a "click here" and finding out someone wants me to shell out $100 or something. I want a price up front.
      Thank you. He took out about 500 words, but I think he's struggling to see where he can condense it. Perhaps if he walks away from it for a while and comes back to it he'll be able to tighten it up.

      That's an interesting point about the price, but I'm not sure if that's the done thing. Is the idea not to sell them on the product as best you can before they know anything about how much it costs?
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  • Profile picture of the author methomas
    The weird fonts, different sized on the first line turned me off.

    It's hard to read and causes eye strain.

    So, as a buyer, I'm gone before I get to the headline.

    M E
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    • Profile picture of the author Dietriffic
      Originally Posted by methomas View Post

      The weird fonts, different sized on the first line turned me off.

      It's hard to read and causes eye strain.

      So, as a buyer, I'm gone before I get to the headline.

      M E
      Agreed. Changed.
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  • Profile picture of the author Harold Lindsey
    Hi Melanie,

    I think you guys did a pretty good job. I can tell who your target is, and I do know what you are selling. Just to add my little two cents. I liked the "In Less Time It Takes You To Read This Page, You Can Ensure Every Meal That Your Family Eats This Week Is Healthy!"

    I think that definitely (Those Words), should be the very first thing that your vistors should see when they arrive on you site. I understand that you are building credibility with facts and figures, but to many grouped up in places can slow down the reader and make your copy boring. (Just one now and then sprinkled about will do the job.)

    The Graphic can be in the middle, and at the bottom....

    Also in my humble opinion, there is way to many sub-heads and they are way too large. It is a little distracting. You can do away with half of the copy, and use your book pages as Bullet Points. Because they show the benefits that you customer will receive.

    You guys have some great stuff there. Just don't try to be too fancy. (Copywriting Fancy).

    Now all you have to do is just cut an trim a little bit and test ... tweak...test ... tweak.

    Congratulations ... with time you product will be flying off the virtual shelves.
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