If you had five hours a day to study copywriting what would you do

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Over the next 3 or so months i am going to have a lot of free time to work on my copywriting. During this time i am planning to spend at least five hours a day working on my copywriting skills.

What i want to know is - what is the best way to spend this time, so far i have come up with

- writing a 1000 words a day
- typing out and studying sales letters
- reading copywriting books
- writing sales letters for imaginary products

what are your suggestions.
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  • Profile picture of the author amaracray
    Join a creative writing course or seo writing, as you should be able to differntiate your style/functionality of writing from others.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dean Jackson
    Get out some classic letters...

    Then write them out by hand.

    You could also read salesletters and get a feel for the type of language that's used in it. When you start having the "aha" moments, you'll know you're on the right track.

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    • Profile picture of the author Ashley Gable
      Instead of writing about imaginary products, what I did was went out and bought some cheap plr packages and wrote a letter for them.

      This way you can learn to dig deep and find good bullet points, benefits, stories, etc from within the product itself.

      Also, in the end, if you think you wrote a great salesletter, you can have the book rewritten - or create a new product from scratch - and let it loose on your target market and see how it does

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      • Profile picture of the author emmedi
        Originally Posted by AshleyAA View Post

        Instead of writing about imaginary products, what I did was went out and bought some cheap plr packages and wrote a letter for them.

        This way you can learn to dig deep and find good bullet points, benefits, stories, etc from within the product itself.

        Ashley
        I think this is the best advice I have read here: if you want to become a copywriter ask the market to make you one. Get PLR and write salesletters for them then sell them... as WSOs so you haven't to worry about traffic and it's a very tough market.

        My advice is also to steal: find some salesletters from serious Internet Marketers that you like, copy them on your computer and use them as template, changing the info with yours but keeping (and first, understanding) the scheme of things, how the salesletter works and why it has been written that way. Call it a swipe file if thinking of stealing is unappealing to you.

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  • Profile picture of the author Rezbi
    Originally Posted by Courage View Post

    Over the next 3 or so months i am going to have a lot of free time to work on my copywriting. During this time i am planning to spend at least five hours a day working on my copywriting skills.

    What i want to know is - what is the best way to spend this time, so far i have come up with

    - writing a 1000 words a day
    - typing out and studying sales letters
    - reading copywriting books
    - writing sales letters for imaginary products

    what are your suggestions.
    You've got yourself a plan.

    Now stick to it. That's the hardest part.
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    • Profile picture of the author mrs spencer
      Originally Posted by Rezbi View Post

      You've got yourself a plan.

      Now stick to it. That's the hardest part.

      yes,sticking with the plan could be the hardest of ALL! but all the same stick like a glue with your plan and you'll come out good
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  • Profile picture of the author gjabiz
    If I were doing this, I'd:

    THINK about the end result of 90 days of immersive studies.

    I'd write it down. Put it on a White Board so I could see it every day. I'd create a "View from the Rooftop" so I could visualize and see the RESULT.

    I'd build RUNGS on the side of the bldg I'm climbing so I see progress. IF you backward chain from the roof down, you'll create a step by step plan of action and simutaneously create a CHECKLIST to mark your progress.

    These rungs would be TIME measurements, with the step off rung the 90th day. I'd break these steps down into weeks, then into 7 days.

    A day might look like this:

    HOUR 1 Read and take copious notes (there is a list of what to read in the sticky section)

    HOUR 2 Rewrite my notes so I'm sure of what I've read.

    HOUR 3 WRITE one of the "classic" copywriter's ads out and study it.

    HOUR 4 Post questions and/or review various copywriting forums, web sites

    HOUR 5 Read/Study human psychology, motivation, brain function.

    REPEAT for 5 days. On the 6th, WRITE for the full 5 hours or until you can't write any more.

    7th day. Rest and REVIEW and try to talk to an established copywriter, many will give you a few minutes of their time if you ask.

    Each week, I'd use the "rungs" of the ladder to check off my progress. I'd have Headlines or openings on the list, sub heads or sound bites (maybe write a 2 minute infomercial too).

    All of the WHAT to do with the time would be written down and planned out BEFORE I began, so I stayed focused, learned what I needed to learn, made it enjoyable to my learning styles and have a clearly identified GOAL ("view from the rooftop") for the 90 days.

    So, for me, it begins and ends with PURPOSE.

    What is the purpose? What is the goal? What RESULTS do I want to see in 90 days?

    KNOWING the answers to those questions allow you to create a step by step PLAN OF ACTION which keeps you focused, and prevents you from flitting to the next thing. IF your results you want are BIG enough, and you know they will be a game changer in your life, you will keep your nose to the grindstone and at the end of the time, you'll have a very SOLID foundation on which to build.

    gjabiz

    PS. Many Warriors might be envious of someone having 5 hours a day, BUT, these same people have an hour, and in that hour, with a PLAN they could reach the same rooftop in ONE year.

    And there is PLENTY of evidence here that many Warriors have spent a year FLOUNDERING and flopping around like a fish out of water. AND have spent BooKoo Bux $$$$$$ instead of spending the time to learn and become proficient at a lifetime value skill, such as copywriting.


    Originally Posted by Courage View Post

    Over the next 3 or so months i am going to have a lot of free time to work on my copywriting. During this time i am planning to spend at least five hours a day working on my copywriting skills.

    What i want to know is - what is the best way to spend this time, so far i have come up with

    - writing a 1000 words a day
    - typing out and studying sales letters
    - reading copywriting books
    - writing sales letters for imaginary products

    what are your suggestions.
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  • Profile picture of the author Stephen Bray
    Remember to take regular breaks,
    exercise, breathe deeply, sigh,
    and apply yourself again.

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    several times more during
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    • Profile picture of the author mello
      In that 3 months, depending on your skill, you might be able to offer your copywriting services to the Forum to gather some reviews and testimonials as well.

      Good luck with your plan.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sammy McClane
    I think feedback is a very important part of a skill-developing process, so I'd certainly post your fictitious-product sales letters on this forum or others to get it looked at.

    - Sammy
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  • Profile picture of the author joolkano
    Print out as many WSO sales letters here (especially the ones where you've purchased the product). Study them and you would get a feel for how a good sales letter is crafted. Study the headlines, how they agitate the problem, then offer a solution followed by a strong call to action.

    There are tons of great sales letters here that are proven to sell.
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    • Profile picture of the author RickDuris
      Nobody's going to like me for this answer:

      Get a job selling something.

      Something really difficult.

      Insurance.

      Cars.

      Real estate (right now.)

      Telemarketing is also cool because you can do it at home.

      Everything else with copywriting will come naturally and easily once you learn how to interact with people and sell them on something.

      - Rick Duris
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      • Profile picture of the author ewenmack
        Not true Rick.

        I do like you for your answer.

        As an example I have just got off the phone selling a guy on letting me have
        a container load of wallpaper.

        He had never heard of a proposition like it before.

        I know nothing about wallpaper.

        He's never heard of me before.

        Didn't use a referral.

        Completly cold.

        Had an inkling what a big company wanted.

        Asked to speak to the decision maker.

        No learning about sales scripts.

        Had idea last night and bam hit phone straight away
        next morning.

        Once again just tested to see if my hunch was right
        on what a company wanted.

        Sometimes people have a overriding tendacy to make things difficult.

        All the best,
        Ewen

        Originally Posted by RickDuris View Post

        Nobody's going to like me for this answer:

        Get a job selling something.

        Something really difficult.

        Insurance.

        Cars.

        Real estate (right now.)

        Telemarketing is also cool because you can do it at home.

        Everything else with copywriting will come naturally and easily once you learn how to interact with people and sell them on something.

        - Rick Duris
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        • Profile picture of the author RickDuris
          Originally Posted by ewenmack View Post

          Not true Rick. I do like you for your answer.
          Hi Ewen,

          Well then I stand corrected. And good for you. I saw the Alibaba post as well and I was thinking, pretty cool.

          Frankly, I like selling people one on one. I enjoy the interaction. It's fun, even joyful for me.

          But unfortunately, with one on one sales unless it's big ticket, there's zero leverage. Other than than eventual referrals.

          If you're new to copywriting, get out there and start selling something. It's wonderful experience for new copywriters.

          I remember Gary Halbert talking about his experience selling encyclopedias door to door.

          I remember being at a seminar and Richard Bandler was describing how he was selling Mercedes Benzes by calling people in the telephone book.

          I was thinking "Now that's a trick I want to learn."

          But with copywriting, direct mail and the Internet, you can multiple yourself. And your effectiveness.

          Jumping into copywriting from a dead stop, without face time, I'm thinking that's gonna be hard.

          You can do it, but you'll come away thinking it's all about wordsmithing and "power words."

          It ain't.

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      • Profile picture of the author Bruce NewMedia
        Originally Posted by RickDuris View Post


        Everything else with copywriting will come naturally and easily once you learn how to interact with people and sell them on something.

        - Rick Duris
        100% AGREE... I owe more success to this principle than anything else.

        I once read where John Carlton said his copy training focused on two types of newbies.

        First type were writers who needed to learn about sales and persuasion.
        The second type were sales people who needed to learn how to write copy.

        At least in his experience, it was easier to get the 'sales types' to achieve competency/results than the 'writer types' ...

        and yes, Halbert, without the face to face selling wouldn't have been Halbert.
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      • Profile picture of the author nemock
        Originally Posted by RickDuris View Post

        Nobody's going to like me for this answer:

        Get a job selling something.

        Something really difficult.

        Insurance.

        Cars.

        Real estate (right now.)

        Telemarketing is also cool because you can do it at home.

        Everything else with copywriting will come naturally and easily once you learn how to interact with people and sell them on something.

        - Rick Duris
        Epic answer--you can't get good at writing sales copy until you learn to sell.

        Dan Kennedy was in Amway. Want something hard? Try that?
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        • Profile picture of the author ARSuarez
          Originally Posted by nemock View Post

          Epic answer--you can't get good at writing sales copy until you learn to sell.

          Dan Kennedy was in Amway. Want something hard? Try that?
          Dan was also a regional salesman earlier in life for a book publisher.

          He tells the full, terrible account of dealing with mistreated, neglected, and irate customers in NO BS Selling. Good book. He even included an older book on face-to-face selling and consumer psychology he wrote.

          Well worth the $10 on Amazon.

          In addition, one of the most useful exercises for me to learn copywriting... is to study successful ads.

          Gjabiz mentioned it earlier for Hour 3.

          Everyone learns differently - this, I found, is my best way.

          Here's what you do...

          1. Take a successful ad (I have used a lot of Brian Keith Voiles and Claude Hopkins ads)

          2. Take a pen, a glass of water, two ads, and sit down somewhere that will keep you uninterrupted (or tell everyone to give you some alone time)

          3. Go through each ad, line by line, circling anything you find that packs a punch to the readers psychology - whether it builds value, is placed to build credibility, appeal to the reader's emotion or psychology, tear down objections, etc. Make a note about why it's there

          4. Write a "synopsis" afterward. A summary of their approach to writing copy - "Such and such starts right off the bat by breaking down objections. He instantly makes this comment <comment> to remove some of the reluctance the reader might have about this product on an ethical level," etc, etc.

          (Side note: you'll find a lot of "ethical" and "legal" justification in most products that offer to get people out of debt.)

          Do this over, and over, and over. You'll get in your head the pattern of writing, the sequence, and what you HAVE to get in every letter.

          I hope I've explained it well enough, because this has had a huge impact on my ability.

          To see other letters torn apart, head over to Marketing... copywriting... and all things related to making your business more profitable. and sign up for the email list.

          Great content on website; great content from those sign-up bonuses. I would print out and study Ross Bowring's "Stripped Naked Salesletters." It's high quality stuff.

          Also check out Kevin Rogers' (Kevin Rogers|Direct Response Copywriting Expert|Marketing Consultant|The Copywriter's Edge). Sign up for his list and you'll get a spectacular breakdown of a successful Clickbank letter.

          Anywho... For me, seeing all the stuff you read and hear about in action... that makes a difference.

          I used to think, "Do copywriters really include all this crap in letters?"

          Once you try this exercise, you discover... we really do.

          All the best,

          Angel
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  • Profile picture of the author JenniferNavi
    Look at 43folders.com, has some good suggestions for writing. But I think the only thing that matters is WRITING. And then putting it out somewhere where it can be judged. And while it's being judged, WRITE. And continue this. On and on.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dwight Anthony
    Best thing i would suggest is build a swipe file of some of the best sales letters online and offline. John Carlton has some free things out there as well as Dan Kennedy. Both are excellent. I've got Dan's Ultimate sales letter book and its a great read on the mechanics of a high converting sales letter. Of course, there are many other great copywriters, but i just listed my top two.

    Originally Posted by Courage View Post

    Over the next 3 or so months i am going to have a lot of free time to work on my copywriting. During this time i am planning to spend at least five hours a day working on my copywriting skills.

    What i want to know is - what is the best way to spend this time, so far i have come up with

    - writing a 1000 words a day
    - typing out and studying sales letters
    - reading copywriting books
    - writing sales letters for imaginary products

    what are your suggestions.
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  • Profile picture of the author Hank Rearden
    Get a client, or make a product and start doing your own DM.

    Aside from doing cold calling and door-to-door (Rick's idea - golden)... The best and ONLY best way to learn copywriting is to write copy.

    But let me be very, brutally honest -

    Five hours per day is chump change. Especially when you're starting out. My first year or so in this business was 365 days worth of 16-20 hour days, working and building the business I was working on.

    You don't really have a choice - if you're working in any worthwhile market, you're up against writers with much more experience than you. So get your experience quickly. Write your sales letters.

    One thousand words per day is chump change. If I'm productive for 2 hours, I've got around 3k under my belt. Good days range upwards of 15k words of final copy.

    ON TOP of your 5 hour writing days, you should add two to three hours of STUDY per night.

    If you're not dedicated to this field, you will see slow results. If you see any results at all.

    Welcome to the honest truth - To write, you must write.

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  • Profile picture of the author Dean Jackson
    I also used to be in face to face sales. It's a very good way to learn how to translate those same skills into print.

    And like Rick said, it's not all about hype, and "power words". Heck try telemarketing for kicks if you have to.

    I also recommend people pick up a copy of "How to win friends and influence people" by Dale Carnegie. It was the stepping stone into my sales career.

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  • Profile picture of the author Gary Pettit
    Read everything: novels, trash, tabloids, science, magazines. In other words, get out of the narrowness of "copywriting" and see how writers actually write.
    Secondly, practice. This is on your list already, so good. It's simplistic, but no one ever got good at any talent without practicing it.
    Thirdly (and this is vital, not to be dismissed), get a hold of E.B. White's classic essay, "The Elements of Style." It remains the shortest, clearest and best tutorial for effective writing. I'm sure it's available online, or any librarian would be happy to guide you to a copy.
    Copywriting is a function of writing first.
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  • Profile picture of the author AdilAmarsi
    AshleyAA has a massive idea there that helped me out.
    Check out gary halberts stuff and write it out by hand. Once you do this, will be a lot easier to get into the minds of peoples psychology.

    Also study books by Robert Greene.
    I came to a pretty intense realism recently about copywriting and psychology which was induced through his books, the 48 laws of power, the art of seduction, the 50th law and the 33 strategies of war.

    Go through letters, books, movies, novels and mainly raise your own awareness!
    Watch what people do in the street as you walk by and make a story in your mind.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dean Jackson
    Has anyone read "The Kybalion"?

    It's a very good book on hermeticism and deals with energy, vibration, "duality", and a lot of other stuff. Haven't quite got to the end nor completely comprehended everything in it, but I have to say it's taken my level of thought to much freer level.

    I think it's about 100 years old now. The Kybalion claims to find it's owner when he or she is ready... Very interesting concept.
    "The 'All' is mind"



    — The Kybalion.
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  • Profile picture of the author Gary Pettit
    The Kybalion?! Wow! Nicely done, Dean! Haven't EVER heard that Three Initiates classic suggested here on the forum. (And shame on me for not having done so.)

    Since we're on the topic, how about Franz Bardon's trilogy (especially the first and third; the second's pretty picayune)? His breathing techniques alone could revolutionize one's attitudes, if probably applied.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dean Jackson
      Haven't heard of those yet man, thanks for bringing them up.

      I'm almost done with The Kybalion but I think I will need to re-read it a few times to get all the concepts in it.

      I laugh my ass off when people get all happy and excited after watching "The Secret" or "Laws of attraction" and think its some kind of groundbreaking new way of thinking. Gee.


      Originally Posted by sparkie2260 View Post

      The Kybalion?! Wow! Nicely done, Dean! Haven't EVER heard that Three Initiates classic suggested here on the forum. (And shame on me for not having done so.)

      Since we're on the topic, how about Franz Bardon's trilogy (especially the first and third; the second's pretty picayune)? His breathing techniques alone could revolutionize one's attitudes, if probably applied.
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      • Profile picture of the author Deric Neufeld
        To answer the OP, I would write.:rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author topsytoppy
    If i had 5 hours a day, i would go to clickbank and start rewriting every copy page that i can lay my hands on. One thing is sure, there is no day that will go by without my becoming better at copywriting. You will find the flaws of other copies, those are the ones to ignore while you build on the strengths. As the days go by, you will become better than what you were.
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  • Profile picture of the author CityCliq
    if you're going to worry about writing 1000 words a day, a secondary goal should be to get that 1000 down to 500 without losing any meaningful content.
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    I would buy one of Jason Fladlien's products for sure.
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  • Profile picture of the author GaryJBloomer
    - write 2,000 words a day
    - write out the best sales letters you can find and write them out by hand. DO NOT TYPE THEM.
    - read copywriting books and take notes: then re-read the books and take more notes
    - write sales letters for REAL products
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  • Profile picture of the author CatalinIcs
    I think you must start with a very well known product. Your car, for example. After that, you will be able to write and to put the most important ideas in a mental list. If you'll follow that list for any product, you will become a good copywriter.
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  • Profile picture of the author webspider20
    I would suggest writing more than only 1000 words per day. On any normal day I write over 5000 words and sometimes over 10,000 and I know that the more I write the better I become.

    Also if you want to learn copywriting check out some of the high converting products on clickbank because they understand what it takes and many of them hire $10,000 a page writers to do this for them.
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  • Profile picture of the author WickedWally
    Here's what you do...

    Pick one copywriter that you like.

    Make sure you know three things about this copywriter.

    1 - You know they get big numbers in terms of conversion rates

    2 - You know where their salesletters are located, online or offline

    3 - You know they have a course which teaches how to write salesletters

    Take their salesletters from "2"... study their copywriting course "3" and try and match each teaching of theirs to the salesletter they wrote.

    This will help you make things *click* faster.

    And once that *click* happens...hand copy their salesletters at least 1 each day.

    Good luck soldier.
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