Help! Why doesn't this sales page convert? Aaaargh..

by ak2000
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Just wondering if any of you could shed some light on why you think this sales page is not converting (or why it may...but now it isn't...)

Investment Bank Careers, Finance Internships, Investment Banking Interview Questions

Any thoughts / insights you have on why this isn't converting so far would be greatly appreciated

Thanks in advance
#aaaargh #convert #page #sales
  • Profile picture of the author arfasaira
    Hi,

    Im not an expert, but a few things popped into my head reading this first page:

    • firstly, not everyone wants to be an investment banker
    • second - your prospects have to be highly qualified for this job and you are qualifying them by mentioning where you got your degrees from
    • thirdly, think about it like this: unless someone has a BURNING desire to be an investment banker, no one is going to spend $97 on a product just to find out if they could do it
    • another thing, investment banker roles are few and far between - what's the likelihood you are going to get that type of role unless you relocate to a big city where jobs like this are very much in demand?
    • bottom line is this - the problem of conversion depends on where in a buying cycle people are at.
    • because you are focusing the product on a very narrow and extremely targeted set of people, it is unlikely to convert
    • and then there is the issue of traffic - how much QUALITY traffic are you getting?
    • lastly, what about advertising? Have you presold your product? Do you have a targeted list of potential buyers?
    I have a friend who is an investment banker who although agrees the money is good, admits its like being in a pressure cooker and sometimes means working long and unsociable hours. I don't know about you, but even money may not entice someone into doing something that involves a lot of overtime or makes you feel like your in a boiler room.

    unless you have someone that ticks all the boxes of an ideal candidate to be an investment banker who has all the credentials AND has the burning desire to BE an investment banker, you are going to have a hard time selling your product. But this is NOT a criticism of your product at all.

    Like I said, i am no expert, but these were the things that immediately came to mind. I hope that helps.
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    • Profile picture of the author ak2000
      Originally Posted by arfasaira View Post

      Hi,

      Im not an expert, but a few things popped into my head reading this first page:

      • firstly, not everyone wants to be an investment banker
      • second - your prospects have to be highly qualified for this job and you are qualifying them by mentioning where you got your degrees from
      • thirdly, think about it like this: unless someone has a BURNING desire to be an investment banker, no one is going to spend $97 on a product just to find out if they could do it
      • another thing, investment banker roles are few and far between - what's the likelihood you are going to get that type of role unless you relocate to a big city where jobs like this are very much in demand?
      • bottom line is this - the problem of conversion depends on where in a buying cycle people are at.
      • because you are focusing the product on a very narrow and extremely targeted set of people, it is unlikely to convert
      • and then there is the issue of traffic - how much QUALITY traffic are you getting?
      • lastly, what about advertising? Have you presold your product? Do you have a targeted list of potential buyers?
      I have a friend who is an investment banker who although agrees the money is good, admits its like being in a pressure cooker and sometimes means working long and unsociable hours. I don't know about you, but even money may not entice someone into doing something that involves a lot of overtime or makes you feel like your in a boiler room.

      unless you have someone that ticks all the boxes of an ideal candidate to be an investment banker who has all the credentials AND has the burning desire to BE an investment banker, you are going to have a hard time selling your product. But this is NOT a criticism of your product at all.

      Like I said, i am no expert, but these were the things that immediately came to mind. I hope that helps.
      Thanks Arafasira, I hear you. I've thought about this many times, and unfortunately after the product had been created. It really is a very narrow market.

      The good news though is that most of the advice in the program could apply to any graduate/office job-seeker so am thinking to produce a version of the product aimed at a broader audience at some point..
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  • Profile picture of the author Topgunb
    Hi,

    I would start by removing everything above this line

    Finally... A fool-proof way to get hired as a highly-paid investment banker revealed.

    Then Make the above line your Headline....

    Then check it out

    The rest needs a serious rethink

    Try a sqz page and give chater 1 away

    Then follow up on that

    Feel free to contact me if you need help
    swdcomputers@gmail.com

    Brian
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    • Profile picture of the author ak2000
      Originally Posted by Topgunb View Post

      Hi,

      I would start by removing everything above this line

      Finally... A fool-proof way to get hired as a highly-paid investment banker revealed.

      Then Make the above line your Headline....

      Then check it out

      The rest needs a serious rethink

      Try a sqz page and give chater 1 away

      Then follow up on that

      Feel free to contact me if you need help
      swdcomputers@gmail.com

      Brian
      Thanks Brian - sent you an email
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  • Profile picture of the author mbhrad
    Originally Posted by ak2000 View Post

    Just wondering if any of you could shed some light on why you think this sales page is not converting (or why it may...but now it isn't...)

    Investment Bank Careers, Finance Internships, Investment Banking Interview Questions[/url]

    Any thoughts / insights you have on why this isn't converting so far would be greatly appreciated

    Thanks in advance
    Hey, I know it's been 6 months or so, but here is my take:

    • I'm not a fan of the long Landing Page concept, I think today's user is less patient

    • I would use video as a substitute

    • Make sure your Search Keywords are better targeted, this is often an issue with lack of conversion

    • Look at the messaging, this is subjective, but for me your copy is selling too high without the validity, discuss the benefits vs risks of going into investment banking without your product.

    • Try google's Website Optimizer for Multi-variet testing on new pieces to see what works best.

    Hope this helps!
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    • Profile picture of the author KEKilpatrick
      Your headline doesn't demand attention but moreover your copy was clearly written by somebody with English as a second language.

      This is not always a deal breaker but if you're trying to sell your readers on the idea of becoming an investment banker (a fairly prestigious position) your copy should read as though it was written by an expert in the field and by a highly educated one at that.

      I'm not saying that you're not, just that your copy doesn't "read" that way

      Believe me if I were trying to write killer copy to sell something like this to someone in Italy I would outsource the writing to someone who spoke Italian as a first language so the sentence structure didn't get in the way of presenting the message.

      Your English is very good but for a sales letter like this it should be polished, not just good...

      At any rate you've got copy down, now just make it spot on and you should convert better.
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      • Profile picture of the author ak2000
        Originally Posted by KEKilpatrick View Post

        Your headline doesn't demand attention but moreover your copy was clearly written by somebody with English as a second language.

        This is not always a deal breaker but if you're trying to sell your readers on the idea of becoming an investment banker (a fairly prestigious position) your copy should read as though it was written by an expert in the field and by a highly educated one at that.

        I'm not saying that you're not, just that your copy doesn't "read" that way

        Believe me if I were trying to write killer copy to sell something like this to someone in Italy I would outsource the writing to someone who spoke Italian as a first language so the sentence structure didn't get in the way of presenting the message.

        Your English is very good but for a sales letter like this it should be polished, not just good...

        At any rate you've got copy down, now just make it spot on and you should convert better.
        Agreed - will get a new copy + video! If you have any copywriter recommendations let me know!
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        • Profile picture of the author KEKilpatrick
          Originally Posted by ak2000 View Post

          Agreed - will get a new copy + video! If you have any copywriter recommendations let me know!
          I have no personal experience with any of the copywriters on WF but I know from reading various things here that there is some real talent.

          Hit the "Warriors for Hire" section, look though those that are offering copy writing services... Reading some of the offers and example work you will see some of the more popular names again and again.

          You usually get what you pay for but don't discount some of the lower cost offerings, sometimes you can get some really good deals and some really good copy for not a lot of money.

          Good luck!
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    • Profile picture of the author ak2000
      Originally Posted by mbhrad View Post

      Hey, I know it's been 6 months or so, but here is my take:

      • I'm not a fan of the long Landing Page concept, I think today's user is less patient

      • I would use video as a substitute

      • Make sure your Search Keywords are better targeted, this is often an issue with lack of conversion

      • Look at the messaging, this is subjective, but for me your copy is selling too high without the validity, discuss the benefits vs risks of going into investment banking without your product.

      • Try google's Website Optimizer for Multi-variet testing on new pieces to see what works best.

      Hope this helps!
      Thanks for the advice Michael, agree with most of your points (just not too sure about the Long vs Short copy debate)
      Will get a video on and try a short copy and split-test the sales page...would be interesting to see what the results are
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  • Profile picture of the author joolkano
    I am a new warrior member but an experienced copywriter and after buying a few WSO, I have noticed there are some wonderfully written sales letters here (hey it sold me right). I would suggest for you to print out a number of them and study how they crafted their sales letters. This would be your very own swipe file. After studying a handful you would be able to figure out how to improve your sales letter and offer.
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  • Profile picture of the author ak2000
    All, thanks A LOT for the very insightful advice here!!

    Key take-aways so far:
    - Get new copy written (any recommendations?)
    - Add video, possibly in-person (would need to get an actor, any recommendations?)
    - Split test

    Would be very, very interesting to see the results...
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  • Profile picture of the author Stephen Bray
    Originally Posted by ak2000 View Post

    Just wondering if any of you could shed some light on why you think this sales page is not converting (or why it may...but now it isn't...)

    Investment Bank Careers, Finance Internships, Investment Banking Interview Questions

    Any thoughts / insights you have on why this isn't converting so far would be greatly appreciated

    Thanks in advance
    I think one of the problems is
    that there's a kind of dissonance
    in the copy.

    By that I mean that you're selling
    to would-be bankers using a writing
    style that is aimed at Internet
    marketing types.


    For sure, an easy going, vernacular
    style will out-sell a stuffy sales
    page, or one packed with Flash
    graphics and banners, but this
    page could almost have been
    written by two people, a banker
    and a street-smart hustler.

    I guess my second query would
    be where is your traffic coming
    from?

    I wonder if some carefully targeted
    Facebook campaign might work
    for this interest group?

    Stephen
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    • Profile picture of the author ak2000
      Originally Posted by Stephen Bray View Post

      I think one of the problems is
      that there's a kind of dissonance
      in the copy.

      By that I mean that you're selling
      to would-be bankers using a writing
      style that is aimed at Internet
      marketing types.


      For sure, an easy going, vernacular
      style will out-sell a stuffy sales
      page, or one packed with Flash
      graphics and banners, but this
      page could almost have been
      written by two people, a banker
      and a street-smart hustler.

      I guess my second query would
      be where is your traffic coming
      from?

      I wonder if some carefully targeted
      Facebook campaign might work
      for this interest group?

      Stephen
      Thanks Stephen - most of the traffic is coming from "how to" articles on getting into investment banking, so would believe it's reasonably targeted..

      Thought about facebook and indeed think it would help a lot..but before doing that (which I see more as a "step 2") I wanted to get some decent conversion rates through more "traditional" marketing methods...

      All in all, what writing style would you use then?

      Thought an IM-style aimed at aspiring bankers would present a complex and high-value product to them in a simple, easy-to-understand way..but just my 2 cents..
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  • Profile picture of the author Bruce NewMedia
    AK2000: alright here are a few glaring problems I see with this...

    1. You are targeting a relatively small market, imo. To really be a qualified prospect for this product you need to be a graduate of an MBA program?... and be just starting your career, correct? So, my question is, where are you getting traffic that falls into that category?

    If all you are attracting is general "job seeker" traffic I don't see this offer working.

    2. You don't make the case that this is what it takes to land one of these coveted jobs, I'm afraid. It seems like you're saying if an applicant knows how to answer a few
    'trick' questions, they'll likely land the job. Sorry, not believable at all.

    3. Your story in general does not track logically or make sense. One minute you say you were desperate to get a high paying banker job, and a paragraph later YOU are doing the interviewing??? quote: "....Actually, I became so good at it, I was able to switch sides with ease... soon interviewers were actually qualifying themselves to me."
    "But, I was working undercover..." ???? (For the reader this becomes a mystery not worth figuring out.)

    4. You say you helped 243 people get 'dream jobs' yet you have only 3 testimonials, all are inauthentic anyways. Wheres the PROOF?

    5. There are definitely English language issues with the copy. You really need a native speaker to go over all the copy to correct grammar etc. (but this alone still won't help 'til you rewrite the copy)

    6. The bonuses seem like a bunch of stuff just thrown in to try and beef it up. IE: why do these graduates need a book on 'Time Management For College Students'????? All the logos on top of page do nothing but add to the 'non-believability' of the offer.

    Honestly, I think this is probably a very tiny market which may not be worth going after.

    I apologize if this sounds negative, but this is how i see it.
    _____
    Bruce
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    • Profile picture of the author Loren Woirhaye
      In a word: credibility.

      I don't see it. Letter doesn't grab me.

      Your deck copy doesn't grab me. Your headline
      is not the sort I would use either. Your formatting
      "above the fold" is awkward...

      ... and at the end of the day it looks like you're selling
      a bunch of reports with cheesy ecovers at a price
      that seems pretty steep for so much generic information
      on getting a job. Your bonuses cheapen your core
      proposition.
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      • Profile picture of the author ak2000
        Originally Posted by Loren Woirhaye View Post

        In a word: credibility.

        I don't see it. Letter doesn't grab me.

        Your deck copy doesn't grab me. Your headline
        is not the sort I would use either. Your formatting
        "above the fold" is awkward...

        ... and at the end of the day it looks like you're selling
        a bunch of reports with cheesy ecovers at a price
        that seems pretty steep for so much generic information
        on getting a job. Your bonuses cheapen your core
        proposition.
        Thanks for comment
        I see - would you say that actually you'd perceive the product to be higher-value WITHOUT the bonuses?
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    • Profile picture of the author ak2000
      Originally Posted by brucerby View Post

      AK2000: alright here are a few glaring problems I see with this...

      1. You are targeting a relatively small market, imo. To really be a qualified prospect for this product you need to be a graduate of an MBA program?... and be just starting your career, correct? So, my question is, where are you getting traffic that falls into that category?
      If all you are attracting is general "job seeker" traffic I don't see this offer working.
      Yes, you need to be pretty much fresh out of uni (college or MBA) and yes, I reckon I am getting decently qualified traffic (most of it comes from articles on how to get into investment banking)

      Originally Posted by brucerby View Post

      2. You don't make the case that this is what it takes to land one of these coveted jobs, I'm afraid. It seems like you're saying if an applicant knows how to answer a few
      'trick' questions, they'll likely land the job. Sorry, not believable at all.
      I see your point Bruce. This is mostly about succeeding in interviews, and yes, most of the interviews believe it or not is about knowing how to answer well a lot of "trick" questions..

      Originally Posted by brucerby View Post

      3. Your story in general does not track logically or make sense. One minute you say you were desperate to get a high paying banker job, and a paragraph later YOU are doing the interviewing??? quote: "....Actually, I became so good at it, I was able to switch sides with ease... soon interviewers were actually qualifying themselves to me."
      "But, I was working undercover..." ???? (For the reader this becomes a mystery not worth figuring out.)

      4. You say you helped 243 people get 'dream jobs' yet you have only 3 testimonials, all are inauthentic anyways. Wheres the PROOF?
      All of those testimonials are true and verifiable. What do you mean by "all are inauthentic anyways"?
      I could put hundreds more testimonials but that would bore the reader and make the copy way too long...
      What matters is not too much what I meant but more what YOU (reader) felt and thought...what would have been "credible" proof for you?

      Originally Posted by brucerby View Post

      5. There are definitely English language issues with the copy. You really need a native speaker to go over all the copy to correct grammar etc. (but this alone still won't help 'til you rewrite the copy)
      Point taken, thanks.

      Originally Posted by brucerby View Post

      6. The bonuses seem like a bunch of stuff just thrown in to try and beef it up. IE: why do these graduates need a book on 'Time Management For College Students'????? All the logos on top of page do nothing but add to the 'non-believability' of the offer.

      Honestly, I think this is probably a very tiny market which may not be worth going after.

      I apologize if this sounds negative, but this is how i see it.
      _____
      Bruce
      Fair comment Bruce, and I appreciate your honesty. At the end of the day as said, what matters is how the reader perceives it and not what I meant to "say/write/etc".

      I do take your point about it being a tiny market (and a few other Warriors made it too) so am considering adapting the product to a wider audience (at the end of the day, most of the contents would apply to any graduate/office job)

      Thanks again for your thoughts Bruce
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      • Profile picture of the author Bruce NewMedia
        Originally Posted by ak2000 View Post

        ....All of those testimonials are true and verifiable. What do you mean by "all are inauthentic anyways"?
        I could put hundreds more testimonials but that would bore the reader and make the copy way too long...
        What matters is not too much what I meant but more what YOU (reader) felt and thought...what would have been "credible" proof for you? ....
        The testimonials may be completely legit, I'm only commenting on how they APPEAR.

        Just to clarify, this what I mean by INAUTHENTIC:

        first testimonial is signed: "Mike. Sales Executive, online derivative trading company,
        03 Jan '09"

        2nd is signed: "Rui, 22 May '07"

        3rd is signed: " Rainy, 21 Dec '06"

        These do not sound the least bit real. They sound made up. There are no last names, no city, no company name, NO PHOTOS. ...yet for some reason you do feel the need to add the specific DAY you got the testimonial (as if that mattered????)

        ...and they are weak anyway. The middle one is headlined: "Really Helpful" and the person gives a 'grade' or something like you were turning in a paper???

        Also, I agree you should not include "hundreds" more that would bore people.
        _____
        Bruce
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        • Profile picture of the author ak2000
          Originally Posted by brucerby View Post

          The testimonials may be completely legit, I'm only commenting on how they APPEAR.

          Just to clarify, this what I mean by INAUTHENTIC:

          first testimonial is signed: "Mike. Sales Executive, online derivative trading company,
          03 Jan '09"

          2nd is signed: "Rui, 22 May '07"

          3rd is signed: " Rainy, 21 Dec '06"

          These do not sound the least bit real. They sound made up. There are no last names, no city, no company name, NO PHOTOS. ...yet for some reason you do feel the need to add the specific DAY you got the testimonial (as if that mattered????)

          ...and they are weak anyway. The middle one is headlined: "Really Helpful" and the person gives a 'grade' or something like you were turning in a paper???

          Also, I agree you should not include "hundreds" more that would bore people.
          _____
          Bruce
          Yeah, I see where you are coming from Bruce. Most of my clients are Asian (Chinese, more specifically) hence the funny-sounding names which are their English chosen names...but I see your point.

          Looking to address it (maybe use their full Chinese names)

          Pics will be a trickier one...as most people woudn't want to have their pics (and names) out there on the web saying they got XYZ to help them land this great job...
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  • Profile picture of the author sparckyz
    I'm not critiquing on his squeeze page, but just commenting on how helpful the replies are. I for one have learned a few things from them
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  • Profile picture of the author DougBarger
    There's a way to get an instant bump in your conversions with hardly little effort at all.

    I know, because I've used it myself to increase a subscriber one time only special offer sales conversion rate from 1% to 3% while more than doubling the price and hence the profit margins, epc and lifetime customer value simultaneously.

    Your problem as I see it now:

    Right now, after they have taken the first action on the page leading to this salespage,

    they have already indicated interest in something related and have just subscribed to receive it.

    The problem is, as soon as they reach your offer here on the page we're discussing now,

    they have just taken the action you asked them to take and are now waiting to receive the offer you promised them earlier.

    The reason it's a problem is because the first words they see,

    are "Go check your email".


    So guess where they are going to go?

    I'll give you a hint (as you've already seen from the page's current performance):

    *They're not going to scroll down and click your order button for this offer
    when you just told them to go to their inbox to get the first one.

    Do you see this?

    I hope so.

    Many, many, many clients have made this mistake before coming to me to help them increase their conversions.

    When I asked them why they had the call-to-action right there at the top,

    they just always thought that was how to do it.

    And it's not!

    So then the question becomes, if telling them to leave this offer (which is in essence what's happening when you tell them to go to their email)
    isn't working,

    then what does work?

    You need to have a perfect "Transition".

    It truly is that important.

    This transition must:

    1. Confirm they have successfully completed the first action
    2. Assure your new subscriber their first download is being sent
    3. Fluidly resolve the issue of the first download altogether while leading them
    to read on about the current offer
    4. Give them a reason to read the offer right now instead of going to their inbox
    5. Do the first 4 steps above without *any* confusion as to what is happening

    The transition I developed a few years ago for my own offer as I had originally created it for, has resulted in more sales for my clients and myself to the happy tune
    of nearly always more than double sales conversions.

    Here is what salescopy that "does" all those "5 must-needed elements for the perfect transition" we touched on earlier looks like:

    “Congratulations! You've successfully subscribed to receive your Investment Banker Interview Report and in just a few moments it will be sent to your inbox, but first,

    Read every word of this extremely limited special one time only offer exclusively for you as a new subscriber Right now to discover how to finally...

    Get hired as a highly paid investment banker...

    “Your Headline Here...”

    As you can see,

    You just make a slight modification to it in order to take your new subscriber by the hand,

    assure them they are now confirmed to receive their initial report they subscribed for earlier,

    explain they will receive it momentarily without even needing to leave the page because it's already handled for them,

    explain they need to take this next action right now and give them the reason they need to do this right now (one time only special offer),

    and make it all work together as a system for leading them logically from
    the first action to the next action without losing any of the excitement but
    actually building upon the first into even more!

    If I had some more time to devote to your offer, we could work on totally nailing it
    for you,

    but what I have given you here in this post has already been battle tested
    and is the "main idea" of the perfect transition which has worked for me and
    my clients in more than a few niches... (In fact, one even in the "Job Hunter's" niche ;-)

    I hope you "see" the principle of how it works from what is in the post,
    to give your current copywriter or edit yourself for testing,

    but if you feel you'd be more comfortable just turning it over to me,
    feel free to send me a pm so we can schedule a time to discuss it.

    Based on my experience with this type of business model and this sales process,
    I truly believe the "Transition" is the main solution to your current trouble-area with this one. Although we can certainly discuss other ways to strengthen your offer and increase your conversions too.

    All the best!

    Sincerely,
    Doug Barger
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    • Profile picture of the author jtunkelo
      Looks to me your targeting is off. Firstly, never EVER target flat broke people when you're trying to sell them something. Not a good idea. Common sense, when you think about it, right?

      Second, it's simply too hard to read. Body copy is tiny, and the bullets in huge red subheading type are equally hard. Yellow highlight overdose, too.

      I'm sure there's a great story in there, but it's just too hard work to get excited about it. It's not a magic pill, but I'm sure this sort of a story could lend itself well to a video.

      If I were you I'd seriously consider at least a half-video / half-text letter, because if you're targeting people who are out of a job and they're frantically jumping around to find something, you want to grab their attention VERY strongly. Video can help with that, as I'm sure you know.

      Also, frankly it's just not flowing very well. You seem to have just about all the elements there but it's just clunkily put together. You need connectors, enticing subheadings (use those you threw away making your current one), and visual cues such as arrows etc. for eye direction (which alone is a huge conversion booster).

      One more thing: you seem to have some great testimonials, so obviously your product works. Why not take the best one (in the absence of a celebrity endorsement which you could also get cheaply) and stick it right up there. Above the fold, even before the headline if it's strong enough. That alone combined with a clear, strong offer could pull this off.
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      • Profile picture of the author ak2000
        Originally Posted by jtunkelo View Post

        Looks to me your targeting is off. Firstly, never EVER target flat broke people when you're trying to sell them something. Not a good idea. Common sense, when you think about it, right?

        Second, it's simply too hard to read. Body copy is tiny, and the bullets in huge red subheading type are equally hard. Yellow highlight overdose, too.

        I'm sure there's a great story in there, but it's just too hard work to get excited about it. It's not a magic pill, but I'm sure this sort of a story could lend itself well to a video.

        If I were you I'd seriously consider at least a half-video / half-text letter, because if you're targeting people who are out of a job and they're frantically jumping around to find something, you want to grab their attention VERY strongly. Video can help with that, as I'm sure you know.

        Also, frankly it's just not flowing very well. You seem to have just about all the elements there but it's just clunkily put together. You need connectors, enticing subheadings (use those you threw away making your current one), and visual cues such as arrows etc. for eye direction (which alone is a huge conversion booster).

        One more thing: you seem to have some great testimonials, so obviously your product works. Why not take the best one (in the absence of a celebrity endorsement which you could also get cheaply) and stick it right up there. Above the fold, even before the headline if it's strong enough. That alone combined with a clear, strong offer could pull this off.
        Thanks Jtunkelo, that makes sense..am looking to implement a video sales letter either as a complement to the written sales copy or as alternative (pure video)
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    • Profile picture of the author ak2000
      Originally Posted by DougBarger View Post

      There's a way to get an instant bump in your conversions with hardly little effort at all.

      I know, because I've used it myself to increase a subscriber one time only special offer sales conversion rate from 1% to 3% while more than doubling the price and hence the profit margins, epc and lifetime customer value simultaneously.

      Your problem as I see it now:

      Right now, after they have taken the first action on the page leading to this salespage,

      they have already indicated interest in something related and have just subscribed to receive it.

      The problem is, as soon as they reach your offer here on the page we're discussing now,

      they have just taken the action you asked them to take and are now waiting to receive the offer you promised them earlier.

      The reason it's a problem is because the first words they see,

      are "Go check your email".


      So guess where they are going to go?

      I'll give you a hint (as you've already seen from the page's current performance):

      *They're not going to scroll down and click your order button for this offer
      when you just told them to go to their inbox to get the first one.

      Do you see this?

      I hope so.

      Many, many, many clients have made this mistake before coming to me to help them increase their conversions.

      When I asked them why they had the call-to-action right there at the top,

      they just always thought that was how to do it.

      And it's not!

      So then the question becomes, if telling them to leave this offer (which is in essence what's happening when you tell them to go to their email)
      isn't working,

      then what does work?

      You need to have a perfect "Transition".

      It truly is that important.

      This transition must:

      1. Confirm they have successfully completed the first action
      2. Assure your new subscriber their first download is being sent
      3. Fluidly resolve the issue of the first download altogether while leading them
      to read on about the current offer
      4. Give them a reason to read the offer right now instead of going to their inbox
      5. Do the first 4 steps above without *any* confusion as to what is happening

      The transition I developed a few years ago for my own offer as I had originally created it for, has resulted in more sales for my clients and myself to the happy tune
      of nearly always more than double sales conversions.

      Here is what salescopy that "does" all those "5 must-needed elements for the perfect transition" we touched on earlier looks like:

      "Congratulations! You've successfully subscribed to receive your Investment Banker Interview Report and in just a few moments it will be sent to your inbox, but first,

      Read every word of this extremely limited special one time only offer exclusively for you as a new subscriber Right now to discover how to finally...

      Get hired as a highly paid investment banker...

      "Your Headline Here..."
      As you can see,

      You just make a slight modification to it in order to take your new subscriber by the hand,

      assure them they are now confirmed to receive their initial report they subscribed for earlier,

      explain they will receive it momentarily without even needing to leave the page because it's already handled for them,

      explain they need to take this next action right now and give them the reason they need to do this right now (one time only special offer),

      and make it all work together as a system for leading them logically from
      the first action to the next action without losing any of the excitement but
      actually building upon the first into even more!

      If I had some more time to devote to your offer, we could work on totally nailing it
      for you,

      but what I have given you here in this post has already been battle tested
      and is the "main idea" of the perfect transition which has worked for me and
      my clients in more than a few niches... (In fact, one even in the "Job Hunter's" niche ;-)

      I hope you "see" the principle of how it works from what is in the post,
      to give your current copywriter or edit yourself for testing,

      but if you feel you'd be more comfortable just turning it over to me,
      feel free to send me a pm so we can schedule a time to discuss it.

      Based on my experience with this type of business model and this sales process,
      I truly believe the "Transition" is the main solution to your current trouble-area with this one. Although we can certainly discuss other ways to strengthen your offer and increase your conversions too.

      All the best!

      Sincerely,
      Doug Barger
      Doug, thank you SO much for the insights, very, very appreciated.

      Completely agree with you...having transition/continuity would make a big difference, and that's something I am looking to implement basis your recommendations

      Once again, thanks. After reading this it all seems quite "obvious" and simple, but before...
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  • Profile picture of the author DougBarger
    I've got to agree with Jtunkelo in regards to never targeting broke people.

    The advice I've given you in the previous post works to increase your sales because of the smooth transition from one process to the next,

    but that is all it covers.

    You'll still need to get your targeting right and there's plenty more work that needs to be done, so the "quick fix" solution I offered for the transition from
    free offer to paid offer certainly isn't the end-all, be-all for your offer.

    In fact, had I read you were targeting broke people in your headline, I certainly wouldn't have suggested to keep the same headline, but only am suggesting
    working out the transition in the way I've given you above will almost certainly
    result in more sales for you because now people won't be leaving your offer
    to go check their inboxes.
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    • Profile picture of the author ak2000
      Originally Posted by DougBarger View Post

      I've got to agree with Jtunkelo in regards to never targeting broke people.

      The advice I've given you in the previous post works to increase your sales because of the smooth transition from one process to the next,

      but that is all it covers.

      You'll still need to get your targeting right and there's plenty more work that needs to be done, so the "quick fix" solution I offered for the transition from
      free offer to paid offer certainly isn't the end-all, be-all for your offer.

      In fact, had I read you were targeting broke people in your headline, I certainly wouldn't have suggested to keep the same headline, but only am suggesting
      working out the transition in the way I've given you above will almost certainly
      result in more sales for you because now people won't be leaving your offer
      to go check their inboxes.
      Thanks - to be clear, this offer is targeting students and unemployed people so technically not broke people, but I see where the confusion may have arisen...
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  • Profile picture of the author RickDuris
    Originally Posted by ak2000 View Post

    Just wondering if any of you could shed some light on why you think this sales page is not converting (or why it may...but now it isn't...)

    Investment Bank Careers, Finance Internships, Investment Banking Interview Questions

    Any thoughts / insights you have on why this isn't converting so far would be greatly appreciated

    Thanks in advance
    How many people want to be Investment Bankers in London? Or even the UK for that matter? How many people who are on the Internet who are in the UK, and see your piece, want to be an Investment Banker?

    You've unfortunately missed your target on several different points.

    I think you have a massive problem with both targeted traffic and conversion.

    - Rick Duris
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  • Profile picture of the author havaread
    My comment is one of no preconcieved ideas of internet marketing but of a pure end user:

    1) Your opening statement is not catchy, the "Even if you are flat broke...." quote needs to be bigger. Increase your font size maybe

    2) Your opening paragraph is ok. I found there was too many words outside the normal everyday conversational language, try writing the paragraph out again and paraphrase in a way that you would be talking to your neighbour who knows nothing about what you do. I would stay away from the "are you" question as many IM have used this to death. Don't be afraid to say what you would think as many others will most likely relate to it anyway

    3) Your Job Interview box and the average salary data needs to be redone. I'd suggest a box template with some graphics that isn't overpowering. Get rid of that blue cheap border

    4) The secrets and methods need to be released. Tell your customer what is actually is. No one these days especially me wants to buy something that you can't see ie would you buy a cake from a shop if you couldn't see through the packaging?

    5) Your money back guarantee and bonus boxes needs some love. Spice it up with a nice box with no overpowering graphics etc There's just too much whitespace. Remember - customers buy products not just for what it is but how the packaging looks.

    6) Your end paragraph outlining the price values - needs work. I don't want to sound offensive but it looks really cheap how it is presented. The what it is worth values should have a strike going through it.

    - have a look at how other top google ranking sales pages are looking and compare it to yours. I reviewed your page by comparing it to two others that I was already looking at before I came across your post. Its a good start, bravo for at least taking the steps to doing something.

    - Heres a cheeky tip that I have started to do, looking at the other two sites in my browser, I was taking down notes on how their written material flowed. The fonts are instrumental as well - just like an cello is in an orchestra. Do some research and paraphrase what you have. I don't think it will take you long.
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  • Profile picture of the author davemiz
    me: have you been split testing your sales letter?
    you: no.

    end of conversation.
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    • Profile picture of the author ak2000
      Originally Posted by davemiz View Post

      me: have you been split testing your sales letter?
      you: no.

      end of conversation.
      No, and certainly should have and certainly will..
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  • Profile picture of the author ak2000
    Thank you SO much everyone for the great ideas, critique and advice

    There is a host of excellent suggestions I am looking to implement, just to list some of them in no particular order:

    - improve transition/continuity on the current sales page
    - add video sales page
    - improve graphics (more arrows, etc)
    - split test all of the above of course
    - think at some point i'l get the whole sales letter rewritten
    - improve testimonials
    - reveal more of the methods in the course
    - broaden the target market (this is stuff that could apply to a wider job-seeker base)
    - etc, etc, etc...
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  • Profile picture of the author davemiz
    sorry.... someone needs to give you guys a dose of reality here.... all these ideas dont mean jack sh!t.

    we aren't in the idea business. we are in the response business.

    Do you know which ideas here are going to work? no

    Do you know which ones might lower your conversion? no

    So what you're probably gonna do is take all these ideas, start fixing stuff on your site and then have no clue what worked or what didn't.

    You gotta test.

    You're not so you have no clue whats already working and whats not.

    And you won't have any clue what you put on the page that works, and what didnt.

    Point is you're doing this backwards, costing yourself not only a TON of money, but you're wasting valuable time.
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  • Profile picture of the author havaread
    Dave,

    I think that the ideas given by everyone is recommended with the intention to create a test page. Without creating another template without some if not all of the above suggestions - you have nothing to test against.. have you.


    So the suggestions don't mean jack shyte as you eloquently described it. The reality check is that even though you are correct about testing, this guy obviously doesn't know much about testing hence all the corrections noted above which can be used to create another salespage to test against.
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  • Profile picture of the author Al Robinson
    First impression is that it's a credibility issue. I agree with some of the other posts that it's obvious that English isn't your native language. People may mistake the lack of "correct" verbiage as limited grammar skills which will lower your credibility.

    Nothing to do with copy, just a suggestion, I think that your market is too narrow. I've been in the financial services industry for 35 years and I have never talked to an investment banker that told me they always wanted to be an investment banker. If you opened your target market up to job hunters in general instead of just investment banking you might get better results. If you've got a products that can help someone get a job in this economy, why limit it to just Investment Banking. And, as Davemiz says you have to test and test some more.
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    • Profile picture of the author ak2000
      Originally Posted by keyboard5151 View Post

      First impression is that it's a credibility issue. I agree with some of the other posts that it's obvious that English isn't your native language. People may mistake the lack of "correct" verbiage as limited grammar skills which will lower your credibility.

      Nothing to do with copy, just a suggestion, I think that your market is too narrow. I've been in the financial services industry for 35 years and I have never talked to an investment banker that told me they always wanted to be an investment banker. If you opened your target market up to job hunters in general instead of just investment banking you might get better results. If you've got a products that can help someone get a job in this economy, why limit it to just Investment Banking. And, as Davemiz says you have to test and test some more.
      Fully agree Keyboard1515. Widening the market and testing are key..thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author Topgunb
    My Friend,

    You are offering a few great products....

    You have some great possible headlines in your existing text.

    The style of writing does not do justice to the offer.

    Your headline is not a benefit?

    The top of the site is too busy and distracting.

    Your target market wants to be HIGHLY PAID IVESTMENT BANKERS

    the product will get the hired....

    That makes it a product of massive value

    However this page does not convey that message.

    It rambles on .... an on .... an on

    You need to logically take them to the buy now button

    Sales letters must convert to sales even if it is 1% to 3%.

    But Convert it must? If Not have it rewritten.

    You have my contact details .... if you want to get this moving along.

    Your product is good ... it has to be you have a massive success record!

    Make it work for you....

    Brian
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  • Profile picture of the author LangeTroels
    Originally Posted by ak2000 View Post

    Just wondering if any of you could shed some light on why you think this sales page is not converting (or why it may...but now it isn't...)

    Investment Bank Careers, Finance Internships, Investment Banking Interview Questions

    Any thoughts / insights you have on why this isn't converting so far would be greatly appreciated

    Thanks in advance
    The page is too loooong.. It just goes on and on and on.. The massive amount of information should be better structured..
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  • Profile picture of the author ak2000
    Thanks again everyone for the great insights

    Following the suggestions of some Warriors here I've created a video sales letter based on Ryan Deiss's Video Sales Letter product

    Have a look and let me know what you think...and don't be too scared by my voice!!

    LISTEN to *every" word of this - Get hired now
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  • Profile picture of the author DougBarger
    You may want to test "exclusive presentation" instead of offer,
    when going the video route.
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