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This has happened to me on more than one occasion with long-term clients...

I currently have $2000 of outstanding invoices with a client I've worked with for over 6 months. He is 3 weeks behind on payments and keeps avoiding me. This is a pretty decent sized corporation.

As of now, I have stopped working on all projects with him until he pays my invoices.

At this point, I feel a bit paralyzed. It seems that whenever clients fall behind on invoices they feel compelled to just avoid me.

Do you have any practices that work well in these situations?


Thanks in advance.
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  • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
    Nicely tell him if he doesn't settle you'll contact his Web host (providing you're talking about an actual sales page or other Web content) and report a copyright violation. That has worked for me once or twice.

    Of course, once you do that you can also expect hostility from the client and no more work. But isn't that what he's porjecting, hostility? And who needs work when you don't get paid for it anyway? Never an easy solution. And it might be a good idea to start asking for your full fee up front too. Good luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author Stephen Dean
    I've had success writing kind emails saying if they're having trouble paying right now, you could work out a payment plan. I've only actually had to do the payment plan once, the other instances my email took a shot at their ego and they wanted to show they weren't having money problems... so I was promptly paid.

    Cheers!
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  • Profile picture of the author Benjamin Ehinger
    Originally Posted by kjdavis View Post

    This has happened to me on more than one occasion with long-term clients...

    I currently have $2000 of outstanding invoices with a client I've worked with for over 6 months. He is 3 weeks behind on payments and keeps avoiding me. This is a pretty decent sized corporation.

    As of now, I have stopped working on all projects with him until he pays my invoices.

    At this point, I feel a bit paralyzed. It seems that whenever clients fall behind on invoices they feel compelled to just avoid me.

    Do you have any practices that work well in these situations?


    Thanks in advance.
    I have a legal friend that drafted a letter for me for this situation. It cost me about $100 to get him to do this, but I just change the name and a few other things and send it to those that do not pay invoices. He also has told me that if it ever goes further than just sending a letter, then he can help me in small claims court.

    Just the threatening letter from an actual attorney has done the trick at least a half dozen times for me.

    Benjamin Ehinger
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    • Profile picture of the author ewenmack
      Hi KJ,

      Once taking on a client I will always set payment up with Paypal.

      It works for invoicing and monthly payments as well.

      I get 100% of the money up front before I proceed also,
      so I don't get myself in your situation.

      Best,
      Ewen
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      • Profile picture of the author RickDuris
        "Hi X,

        Unlike all the other writing I do for you, writing this email is rather awkward for me.

        As of today, there are several unpaid invoices, totaling $XXXX.XX.

        I'm probably wrong, but I also sense you're avoiding me. And if that's the case, for the life of me, I don't quite know why.

        If there's a challenge with my work product, I am open to discussing ways to revise or improve going forward.

        If there's a challenge with cash flow right now on your end, I'm also open to working something out that works for both of us.

        (In other words, I'm not like the electric or phone company where I just shut off power.)

        I'm sure whatever the situation is (and I mean WHATEVER), together we can remedy quickly.

        I'm reaching out in a gesture of good faith, wishing to keep the lines of communication open.

        I look forward to your reply.

        Graciously,

        X"
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        • Profile picture of the author Rezbi
          Originally Posted by RickDuris View Post

          "Hi X,

          Unlike all the other writing I do for you, writing this email is rather awkward for me.

          As of today, there are several unpaid invoices, totaling .XX.

          I'm probably wrong, but I also sense you're avoiding me. And if that's the case, for the life of me, I don't quite know why.

          If there's a challenge with my work product, I am open to discussing ways to revise or improve going forward.

          If there's a challenge with cash flow right now on your end, I'm also open to working something out that works for both of us.

          (In other words, I'm not like the electric or phone company where I just shut off power.)

          I'm sure whatever the situation is (and I mean WHATEVER), together we can remedy quickly.

          I'm reaching out in a gesture of good faith, wishing to keep the lines of communication open.

          I look forward to your reply.

          Graciously,

          X"
          Nicely put and very diplomatic.

          Here's my version:

          Oi!

          Where's my f****** money?

          Pay up NOW. Or I'm sending the boys round.

          Awight?

          Graciously,

          X
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        • Profile picture of the author Bruce NewMedia
          Now that's a good letter! So good, I'm going to finally get off my ass and pay Rick.
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          Bruce


          Originally Posted by RickDuris View Post

          "Hi X,

          Unlike all the other writing I do for you, writing this email is rather awkward for me.

          As of today, there are several unpaid invoices, totaling .XX.

          I'm probably wrong, but I also sense you're avoiding me. And if that's the case, for the life of me, I don't quite know why.

          If there's a challenge with my work product, I am open to discussing ways to revise or improve going forward.

          If there's a challenge with cash flow right now on your end, I'm also open to working something out that works for both of us.

          (In other words, I'm not like the electric or phone company where I just shut off power.)

          I'm sure whatever the situation is (and I mean WHATEVER), together we can remedy quickly.

          I'm reaching out in a gesture of good faith, wishing to keep the lines of communication open.

          I look forward to your reply.

          Graciously,

          X"
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  • Profile picture of the author myeanne
    Hi mate,

    Sorry to hear that. You should always ask for an upfront payment or 50% upfront and 50% upon payment confirmation. There are some clients who always do that thing. Hope you can sort this out.
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    • Profile picture of the author arfasaira
      I'm wondering if you have a contract in place? If so, have you stipulated payment terms within it? If you don't, you should so that both you and future clients know where they stand and there are no nasty surprises.

      With myself, I'm pretty easy going and give long term clients the option of paying on completion of work. With everyone else its upfront payment, although for larger invoices I tend to split the invoice by taking 50% as a deposit and the remainder on completion.

      At least if you have a contract, you can pull it out and refer back to it - and as Rick has quite rightly pointed out, a tactfully written letter can make it easier for your client to approach you.

      I do hope you get this sorted quickly.
      Best
      arfa
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  • Profile picture of the author Rigmonkey
    How about something along the lines of...

    "Many thanks for your continued supply of work. I'm currently in the process of consolidating my outstanding invoices and notice that the sum of $xxxxx.xx remains unpaid. Although I'm sure this is just an oversight on your part, I do occasionally encounter situations where cashflow restrictions affect payment. When this happens, I like to offer simple, viable solutions.

    Now... If you'd just like to have a look at my ass-kicking, super-funnel, fuel-guzzling, mega-*******, empire-building, wealth-creating, foot-stomping, cash-busting business idea, which you can obtain for the next hour only at the exclusive price of $27, you can earn enough money in 15 seconds to pay me back ten times over..."

    It might just work... :confused:

    Hope you get the problem sorted as quickly as possible.
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeHumphreys
    Originally Posted by kjdavis View Post

    This has happened to me on more than one occasion with long-term clients...

    I currently have $2000 of outstanding invoices with a client I've worked with for over 6 months. He is 3 weeks behind on payments and keeps avoiding me. This is a pretty decent sized corporation.

    As of now, I have stopped working on all projects with him until he pays my invoices.

    At this point, I feel a bit paralyzed. It seems that whenever clients fall behind on invoices they feel compelled to just avoid me.

    Do you have any practices that work well in these situations?


    Thanks in advance.
    Everyone else has given you some great advice on the collection side of things.

    I'm going to address the nipping the problem.

    Tell your client that you're freezing all work on their project until they have paid all past due monies. And do it.

    If they have a repeat problem with paying on-time, then you can tell them you want to be pre-paid for the work before it's done. At least 50% up front.

    Hope that helps,

    Mike
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  • Profile picture of the author Russell Barnstein
    I chased payments for years, sometimes wasting more time and effort collecting than the client was ultimately worth. Eventually I got sick of it and all new clients pay 100% up front before even an outline is drafted. Established clients with "stable" pockets pay 50% up front and 50% upon completion. That way even if they screw me I'm only out half the money.

    I wouldn't make any threats or do anything that might seem aggressive or hostile- there could be a serious situation for this person that you don't know about.

    You're a writer; use tact, allow them to think that you think it must SURELY be a mistake. The high path always gets better results than the straight aggressive path; at least in my experience.
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  • Profile picture of the author kjdavis
    Thanks for the amazing replies! After several phone calls and several lies on his end, he finally admitted that he did not have funds.

    Now, I see the catch 22. Tell your workers you don't have funds and they may look for work elsewhere. Stop paying them and they get disgruntle.

    However, there was no transparency with the issue. It took 3 weeks and an angry email to get him to admit this. I am also an endorsed athlete with the company so once he knew this was effecting the way I felt about endorsing his products, he confessed.

    It was the most frustrating thing in my life. He gave me the run around and all I wanted was the truth.

    Thanks again for your advice. Though I still am out the money for now, at least I have the actual facts.

    I will keep all these thoughts and letters on file. Unfortunately due to the nature of the work I do with him and the dynamics of the projects, I am now paid hourly. I used to be paid per piece, but my job is far more detailed now.

    It would be nice to collect up front. I need to start being smart and stop being a softy.

    Cheers!
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    • Profile picture of the author ewenmack
      Hi KJ,

      Jim Camp has excellent training on getting to the "truth" fast.

      It's all about asking for the "no"...and how you structure your questions.

      If you sign up to his newsletter he will give you his digital version of his written book.

      Plus you can find him talking about this on YOUTUBE.

      Best,
      Ewen
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      • Profile picture of the author Debbi@RahRah
        I'm having an issue with payments from a few clients so I did a search here and came across this thread. Boy am I happy I did! Great advice from everyone and KJ I need to stop being such a softy too. I'm fairly new here and already I've gathered some great advice and info! Thank you!
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