Can you get quality copywriter for under $500?

ankur sharma

13 years ago

Ohh by the way, if you guys can point me to thread where names of good copywriters are mentioned. That should be cool.

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max5ty 13 years ago

Originally Posted by ankur sharma

Ohh by the way, if you guys can point me to thread where names of good copywriters are mentioned. That should be cool.

You're on the right thread - I'd suggest you just start clicking on some of the links in their signature and read their sales letters.

There's a few that I'd rate as being pretty good - you can decide which one's appeal to you.
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Stephen Dean

13 years ago

I offer a "Green Sprouts" Mini-Letter to warriors from time to time for $500. I just took it off my services page, but I can make it still available to the right client. You can read about it here:

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Mark Pescetti

13 years ago

Copywriters who charge a lot because they've generated money for other clients means ZERO to you. While there are certain aspects of sales that are a constant, every client and every market poses new challenges.

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John Galt

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Reflection Marketing

Copywriters who charge a lot because they've generated money for other clients means ZERO to you. While there are certain aspects of sales that are a constant, every client and every market poses new challenges.

I'm confused by your post. Does that mean a copywriter shouldn't "charge a lot" because they haven't worked with you before?

And of course every promotion brings unique challenges; that's the reason they "charge a lot". If everything did stay constant then biz owners could just buy sales letter software and call it a day.

Ankur - You can hire for less, but there's an inherent risk. If you hire a copywriter for short change and they can't deliver... well, that means you'll have to hire someone else to un-muck the muck-up. And there goes your savings.

With that said, expensive doesn't mean good. You'll have better luck finding quality based on verifiable proof, not the size of the price tag.

Now, to answer your second question...

The website you referenced is still a "sales letter". It's just laid out differently than your typical Clickbank lander.

Don't expect to pay less to have your sales message conveyed through a similar design. You are, after all, buying conversions, not length, design or word count.

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Mark Pescetti

13 years ago

Originally Posted by John Galt

I'm confused by your post. Does that mean a copywriter shouldn't "charge a lot" because they haven't worked with you before?

And of course every promotion brings unique challenges; that's the reason they "charge a lot". If everything did stay constant then biz owners could just buy sales letter software and call it a day.

A copywriter should absolutely charge his or her worth. Most of the jobs I perform entail building up a business model and brand from the ground up.

That's takes time.

A lot of people sometimes expect miracles in just a few days when they email me. However, I DON'T think a copywriter should charge based upon past results for other clients.

It's not about charging less or more; just basing the quote on what he or she thinks is a realistic time commitment on their part and helping the client understand the process... After all, the writing part is often only a small percentage of the WHOLE process...

In other words, to generate massive conversions from killer sales copy, the writer/marketer has to intimately understand the product/service, its audience and how to elicit the emotion to compel immediate, inspired action.

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jenifer smith 13 years ago

quality copy write does not necessarily mean expensive, but good offer motivates the writer to go extra mile in making sure that his work is close to perfection.
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Daniel Scott

13 years ago

If you were a killer copywriter...

Someone who was confident their copy converts, and had generated millions for their clients...

Would you write a letter for $500?

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copyassassin

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Daniel Scott

If you were a killer copywriter...

Someone who was confident their copy converts, and had generated millions for their clients...

Would you write a letter for $500?

-Daniel

Daniel,

First off I agree no "quality" copywriter should take that. I mean, it takes 50-60 hours to do it right. At $50/, that's $2,500.00

That being said, I don't think a client should judge a copywriter primary based on how many millions they've generated.

For example, if you are ghost writing for an IM guru, who already has a list and a brand, its very possible an average writer could make millions for the guru.

yes, money in vs money out is the bottom line...

... for the owner.

For the copywriter, it should be about the metrics.

HOW MUCH BETTER are you. How much more of a conversion will you get.

I'd want to know how many controls you crashed.

I'd want to know much you reduced cost per lead.

I'd want to know much you increased lifetime customer value.

Just a quick riff about it not being about the money, but the metrics. Good metrics get you scale. And scale makes you a billionaire!

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Stephen Dean 13 years ago

Originally Posted by copyassassin

Daniel,

First off I agree no "quality" copywriter should take that. I mean, it takes 50-60 hours to do it right. At $50/, that's $2,500.00

Yup. That's why I sometimes offer $500 mini-letters to the right clients. I state up front I'm not going to spend the same amount of time I would on a $2,500 project - instead I'll spend a day or two. Probably on average 6-10 hours writing a quick letter.

I can rattle off something pretty quick from the top of my head that's likely to convert better than most other options in that price range.

But again, this service is only for the right clients - those who are sincere, easy to work with and deserve a "hand up."

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Mark Pescetti

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Daniel Scott

If you were a killer copywriter...

Someone who was confident their copy converts, and had generated millions for their clients...

Would you write a letter for $500?

-Daniel

I've written plenty sales letters that generated massive income for less than $500. Although I WAY under charge more often than I care to admit.

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- ThomasOMalley 13 years ago
  
  You might be able to find someone for $500. The key is that you have realistic expectations for such a small budget. Don't expect the copywriter to revise your copy 50,000 times for that price. If you do expect that, you aren't dealing with reality.
  
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briancassingena

13 years ago

Originally Posted by ankur sharma

I desperately need copywriter and my budget is $500. My question is, will i get good copywriter in this budget? The other question is look at this website

IMEYE - IM EYE Internet Marketing Tool

What you call these type of sales pages? Its definitely not a sales letter. Because sales letter got to be 10 miles long. You cant even call squeeze page. Its may be short salespages?

But, do you need different type of copywriters to write these sort of short sales pages?

Can i pay less for it?

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Getting any decent copywriter to work with you for $500 is tough, though I do short video sales letters for less than that (check my sig)

But as for the site you mentioned, interesting concept, I'm seeing more and more of these and would love to hear about some testing results of them vs sales letter style sites...

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iamangel 13 years ago

It might not be that tough considering how many people are out of work that need to pay bills. Make sure you obtain some samples before you take the plunge though.
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lemonarian

13 years ago

The short answer is no, not really.

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ewenmack 13 years ago

I'm going to be the contrarian in the house here.

IF you provide enough usable material to work with,
then a top copywriter can bang out the style you
are wanting to emulate in that link.

It's the research and data gathering that takes so long
and mostly goes un-noticed which takes the majority of the time.

If a ad writer has to write a classified ad or Adwords ad,
then it will take less time than say a full magalouge style
direct mail piece.

Then you are talking different pricing.

Back to your question, it depends on what you provide, or lack of.

Unfortunately, in most cases, the marketer doesn't provide the ammunition
to make a killer ad.

You may be the exception.

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Mitt Ray

13 years ago

It depends on the time taken to write your copy. Is it going to take a lot of time to research it? Is it very long? Is it short? If it's short, how much time is it going to take to edit and shorten it?

All these factors need to be taken into consideration. If you can PM me more information about this project. I will let you know if I can write it. I would really like to PM you, but I haven't made 50 posts yet.

Looking forward to your message.

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Stephen Lessey

13 years ago

Listen you can definetely find copy writers for the budget, but if you want good expectations do your own homework on your niche and find resources for your writer.

Then check out Freelancer, or ODesk to get them.

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myeanne

13 years ago

I don't think you can get a reliable and good copywriter for that budget. Always remember that you'll get what you've paid for. Unless, if it's a project based arrangement.

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Colin Theriot

13 years ago

In my opinion, at that price, you will not be able to find someone with experience worth much more than you trying to do it yourself. I do critiques for that price, but I seldom write email copy for that low. You can certainly hire someone to do it FOR you at that price, I'm just saying to not expect it to be miraculous. Passable? Yeah, sure. But then ANYONE can write passable copy.

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Daniel Scott

13 years ago

Colin, how do you define "passable"?

I see it as the point where copy starts making you money, based on your marketing plan/traffic sources etc.

Now... if we were paid to write... I would probably agree.

But IMHO 99.9% of our value is the fact we're sharp marketers... we give business owners the insights they need to carve out their place in the market and actually make profit.

This extends to USP, hooks, marketing plans, etc etc... and that's something not many $500 copywriters can do IMHO.

If you're a killer marketing genius and have that stuff down cold... then yeah, you can get away with writing your own copy. It probably won't do as well as a pro's work, but it should do "okay".

Otherwise, I'd strongly advise against it... but that's just me.

-Daniel

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KennethYu

13 years ago

I just hire brilliant outsourcers, train them, furnish them with templates and then give them Perry Belcher's 21 point sales letter template. Instant sales letter at half the price.

After that I just test the bejesus out of the copy to improve conversions.

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livepsycle

13 years ago

I often offer to have the client pay nothing up front and then a percentage of cashflow generated.

This forces my performance and makes me accountable for the results and gives the client some room to spend bigger on traffic generation.

Of course I don't offer that until I've researched the product and proven to myself it's a winner.

Put that to the copywriters you are speaking to to see if they are willing to back themselves. Sure fire way to see if you've got a confident writer.

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Scott Lambency

13 years ago

A sales letter for $500? Maybe..

Can you hire a brain surgeon for $500?

That's possible too, I'm sure...

But why would you want to cut corners on this part of your marketing?

Copywriting is the single compoment that can make or break your success online. I suggest you find the best copywriter you can and strike a deal.

If you don't have more to spend than $500, get on the Warriors Looking To Hire You section of this forum and get that money.

For $500, I'd make you a capture page...

Or take that as a down payment...

I've had customers who couldn't wait around for support to fix my Buy Now buttons, so they found some code and figured out how to purchase through the "back door"

Can a discount copywriter get you those kind of results?

INVEST in a copywriter... cause it'll COST you if you try to go cheap here.

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Mark Andrews Banned 13 years ago

Ankur, according to the last email you sent me your last launch did $30,000.

Why only invest $500 now? Why not $5,000 this time?

Hiring a superb copywriter rather than some pretender with no experience to talk of will pay you much better dividends.

Cheap copywriters they're a dime a dozen - you know this already. They come, they go. They jump on the bandwagon thinking easy money but their marketing skills mean diddly fat squat if their sales copy doesn't get you the conversions and ROI you want.

Someone who takes a great deal of pride in their craft and charges accordingly will be a much more cost effective solution for you in the long run.

You shouldn't be looking at price alone as your determining factor. It's a copywriters prowess you need to be interested in. For your own sake.
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- MikeHumphreys 13 years ago
  
  Ankur,
  
  Can you get a quality copywriter for under $500?
  
  Maybe... if you catch someone who is still building a portfolio and a reputation.
  
  Anyone with a strong reputation/track record probably won't write copy that cheaply. A critique... maybe. But not writing a salesletter.
  
  Let me put things in perspective.
  
  If a copywriter is charging under $500 for a salesletter, then they are relying on doing a lot of projects each month just to meet their living expenses.
  
  So you're not just buying a copywriter's expertise, track record, and abilities to help guide you to a winning promotion. You're buying the amount of time they can dedicate to your project.
  
  Hire a copywriter that is charging $4K and up, and there's a good chance that your project will get most or all of their time and energy over the next month.
  
  Hire a copywriter for a couple hundred bucks and it's a lock that they can't devote as much time to your project.
  
  Again, it's the reality of making a living each and every month, not a reflection on how seriously a copywriter takes their profession.
  
  I suggest you read this sticky thread as I believe you'll find it extremely helpful.
  
  http://www.warriorforum.com/copywrit...le-writer.html
  
  Good luck,
  
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Raydal

13 years ago

I have students who will do this for you. The advantage you have
is that I critique their letters before you get the final copy so
a least you have copywriting genius to 'approve' the copy
for less than you'll get me to critique a sales letter.

I have a couple students who are writing great letters for
that price even though I'm trying to convince them to
charge more. (Yes, they are that good!)

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DougHughes

13 years ago

Of course you can get a good sales letter for $500. There are plenty of talented people out there who don't know the value of their skills.

There are people who can sell, and who can write just waiting for someone to send them a job - I don't know where to find them, but that's my guess.

You'll luck out if you find someone hungry, but here's my thoughts. Someone spending $500 on a sales letter doesn't have a marketing budget. Which is fine. Many people are doing things on a shoestring and making it work. That's the beauty of DR. You can be a one hit wonder. But most of the time it comes after many failures.

Copy is a part of marketing. I'm going to say something I doubt will go over well here. Copy is a cog in your wheel. If you have good marketing and a great offer you can get by with mediocre copy. Think fur jackets in the arctic.

Another thing about people you might get for $500. They're copywriters without much skin in the game. They write copy, have written copy, and may not fully be aware of the dire straights things come down to as a marketer. In short, they have nothing to risk and will gladly take your money.

Do you know what's different about your product,and what need it fills better than other products? Do you know your customers and what they want? If you do you may be better off writing your own copy. Or, get a copywriter lower than your budget and get a couple of critiques if you can.

Couple thoughts, Good luck

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Raydal 13 years ago

Originally Posted by DougHughes

Of course you can get a good sales letter for $500. There are plenty of talented people out there who don't know the value of their skills.

When I first started to offer my copywriting services I had a
$297 WSO for 10 Warriors and some of those letters are
still online today after so many years!

Needles to say I was sick for over a week from the exhaustion
of so much research and writing I pledged never again. So those
10 lucky Warriors got good service at a cheap price and I know
that it still happens for a see a few in the WSO every now and
then.

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13 years ago

Hey good luck if you find one for that price and at least your willing to spend money on a copy writer

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