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13 years ago

Thanks Rick, one for bookmarking....

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The Copy Nazi

Banned 13 years ago

From my fellow-Aussies at Envato. They rock.

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RickDuris 13 years ago

Originally Posted by The Copy Nazi

From my fellow-Aussies at Envato. They rock.

That site is sooo good, if it were me, I'd turn it into a membership site. I'm sure there'd be people would love that kind of timely information.

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Elle Davies

13 years ago

Great! Thanks for this post... I use 'Guru' and love it but was looking to expand my horizons! Very helpful.

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Steve The Copywriter

13 years ago

Brilliant site - thanks Rick.

In case it's of any interest, if I need a "new" client (luckily most are referred) here's what I do -

Pick around 50 - 100 companies that you really would like to write for,send them a pitch (make it the best you can) - send it by post not email.

If you want, follow it up with a telephone call - I never have (the "hot" clients always call you).

It's never failed to attract a good response and bring in excellent clients - again the kind you do want to work with.

The cost? - minimal - just paper, printing, envelopes, postage, maybe a "grabber" and your expertise (which is of course priceless...)

By the way it works even better in an economic downturn.

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KingOfContentMarketing

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Steve Copywriter

Brilliant site - thanks Rick.

In case it's of any interest, if I need a "new" client (luckily most are referred) here's what I do -

Pick around 50 - 100 companies that you really would like to write for,send them a pitch (make it the best you can) - send it by post not email.

If you want, follow it up with a telephone call - I never have (the "hot" clients always call you).

It's never failed to attract a good response and bring in excellent clients - again the kind you do want to work with.

The cost? - minimal - just paper, printing, envelopes, postage, maybe a "grabber" and your expertise (which is of course priceless...)

By the way it works even better in an economic downturn.

Steve, coincidentally, I'm getting ready to send out a mailing like this so I thought I'd query you further. Did you send out to marcom departments of bigger corporations? Or to smaller companies? Also, did you have them use a reply card of sorts or have them call you? Any feedback is appreciated.

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RickDuris

13 years ago

Steve Copywriter and Joe Ditzel,

Sounds like a deal in the works to me.

Try this on, both of you:

1. Steve, you give your strategy and letter to Joe for a solid test. Sounds like your letter converts well. Give Joe everything he needs to be successful. Make sure you get everything copyrighted legally.

2. Joe, you give Steve a signed, binding non-disclosure agreement saying you won't share the acquisition letter or strategy with anybody else. You agree to pay Steve 5% of whatever you earn in terms of Clients sales over the course of the next 6 months, from any new Client gained through the process.

Joe, you also give Steve a testimonial, video preferably--assuming the strategy and letter work. Joe, also make sure you do everything exactly as Steve documents. Do not vary execution, because this is a test based upon what Steve brings to the table.

3. Assuming the test is successful Steve, build this out as a product which you sell to other copywriters. You can figure out the pricing. Some of these copywriters here for instance are coaches and if you sell to one, you sell them like a group license. Where they can only share it with their students. Sell it for a fixed amount of money like $5K or $10K. Something affordable. But more than that, it's proven to work by an objective third party.

Or with coaches, you set-up a JV with them, where they buy the first one at full price. If they want to sell it to one of their students, you sell it to them at a 50% discount.

4. Steve, when it's time to roll the product out to copywriters, you can sell it for anywhere from $1,000 to $2,000. I think that's fair.

Now, you're not going to be able to retire on that money, but I suspect you'll help a lot of aspiring copywriters who are struggling with how to get Clients. And depending how hard you market it, you could probably sell 250 to 500 copies a year.

Also make sure every copywriter signs an NDA before you ship the product. Or send it shrink-wrapped and if they break the open the product, it's the same as signing (just like prepackaged software.)

I have some other ideas, if you want to hit me up on SKype, I can be reached at copyranger.

Good luck,

- Rick Duris

PS: I'm only offering this idea, just to stimulate a little commerce here.

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Alex Cohen

13 years ago

Not to rain on the parade, but keep in mind that what works well in the UK offline world may not work so well in California. In fact, it likely won't... drastically different cultures.

(I'm talking about tactics, not emotional triggers.)

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Steve The Copywriter

13 years ago

@Joe - Mainly medium sized companies because the decision process tends to be quicker and they're more likely to have the money you'll want to charge.

Larger corporations tend to have Ad agencies - although that doesn't mean they won't use you for a direct sales letter etc...

They reply either by phone, or email. I've never used a reply card but it may be worth trying.

@Rick - It's a good idea.

To be honest anyone can do this - it just takes a good sales pitch, targeted to the people you want to write for.

@Alex - Despite the different cultures, I imagine it should work even better in the USA (the UK is very "negative" and much less "go getting" than the US of A).

Although most of my stuff is "offline" - increasingly companies want their websites re - done to bump the response.

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KingOfContentMarketing

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Steve Copywriter

Although most of my stuff is "offline" - increasingly companies want their websites re - done to bump the response.

Thanks, Steve- that's actually how I got into copywriting. I rewrite a lot of terrible sites and people kept asking me if I wrote sales letters.

Heck, I thought a control was a Janet Jackson song.

I signed up for Fast Effective Copy because I knew Brian from the board here and David Garfinkel from Vin Montello talking about him a lot in his posts. It's a great program.

Anyhowz, I've written a bunch of sales letters since for my own products and was getting ready to test some offline mailings so I appreciate the feedback.

@Rick- great idea I might try down the road. Your mind is a profit machine.

@Alex- you may be right there-LA is like a different planet--people ask me if I am from America, I say no, Los Angeles.

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ewenmack 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Joe Ditzel

LA is like a different planet--people ask me if I am from America, I say no, Los Angeles.

Very funny Joe.

I'm thinking the English would love that dry sense of humor.

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RickDuris

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Joe Ditzel

Thanks, Steve- that's actually how I got into copywriting. I rewrite a lot of terrible sites and people kept asking me if I wrote sales letters.

Heck, I thought a control was a Janet Jackson song.

I signed up for Fast Effective Copy because I knew Brian from the board here and David Garfinkel from Vin Montello talking about him a lot in his posts. It's a great program.

Anyhowz, I've written a bunch of sales letters since for my own products and was getting ready to test some offline mailings so I appreciate the feedback.

@Rick- great idea I might try down the road. Your mind is a profit machine.

@Alex- you may be right there-LA is like a different planet--people ask me if I am from America, I say no, Los Angeles.

Thanks Joe and no worries. Try it when you see it appropriate. I just thought it would be a fun endeavor.

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And Steve, given that Joe said in essence "no, for now" you might want to consider approaching other copywriters and see if there's any interest. In other words, you don't have to put Joe on the "critical path" to success.

For instance, your letter might be extremely appropriate for those who prefer working offline. I saw a thread about that recently, but forget what it was about.

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And Alex, I definitely understand about the cultural differences and am appreciative. The idea behind doing these projects like this and not changing anything is because we know the letter works as is. If Joe just started modifying the letter right out of the gate, it would no longer qualifiy as a control.

My guess is there probably ARE things that might need to be considered, but not just yet. And the cool thing is if Steve kept in contact with them, he could tailor a promotion towards copyrights to particular markets. He could start receiving variations to your original and then market these versions and give a cut to the person who sent theirs in to Steve.

- Rick Duris

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Steve The Copywriter 13 years ago

Rick,

Your idea was great.

Trouble is I am (fortunately) extremely busy.

Also my UK promo's are "untested" in the great US of A.

But as I said a good sales pitch to the right audience should produce excellent results.

BTW - If Joe (like me) uses spellcheck - which you can't do on the forum - I'm sure his stuff to the clients will be bang on accurate with the spelling.
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- RickDuris 13 years ago
  
  Rick,
  
  Your idea was great.
  
  Trouble is I am (fortunately) extremely busy.
  
  That's wonderful to hear. And not to bait you, but how much credit do you give that letter in terms of keeping you busy as a copywriter?
  
  Also my UK promo's are "untested" in the great US of A.
  
  That's why I structured the deal with the first copywriter based upon performance of the letter and not a fixed price paid upfront.
  
  But as I said a good sales pitch to the right audience should produce excellent results.
  
  I understand.
  
  BTW - If Joe (like me) uses spell check - which you can't do on the forum - I'm sure his stuff to the clients will be bang on accurate with the spelling.
  
  LMAO -- Damn, I forgot to issue you an official decoder ring for when you have to read what I write.
  
  Thanks for the gentle nudge. Not to offer an excuse, I am on medication. But your point is well taken.
  
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  Steve The Copywriter 13 years ago
  
  [QUOTE=RickDuris;4493647]Rick,
  
  Trouble is I am (fortunately) extremely busy.
  
  That's wonderful to hear. And not to bait you, but how much credit do you give that letter in terms of keeping you busy as a copywriter?
  
  Well, I haven't used the "letters" for ages.
  
  But when I have - they've proven to be a fabulous way of bringing in new clients.
  
  And then referrals.
  
  And on it goes.
  
  28 years later it's still working wonderfully well.
  
  I recommend it as the most cost effective and fastest way of building a very lucrative copywriting business.
  
  Anyway...
  
  I know virtually SFA about the Internet and how to use it.
  
  So websites, videos, blogs, emails and the endless marketing - and then the "next" big internet copywriting discovery - 2.0, 3.0, 9.7 or whatever, are not exactly my thing.
  
  So thank goodness - a sales pitch in an envelope has always produced the results.
  
  Steve
  
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Taruru

13 years ago

pretty good find..thanks.
will follow it up as i strive to get a footing in internet marketing.

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EricMN

13 years ago

Awesome thread. Thanks for the link and providing great advice all around.

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RickDuris

13 years ago

Originally Posted by dreamlife789

I like aggregated lists like this. There needs to be more of them.

Well then, here's a tip for you:

Go to Google. Enter the search term:

copywriting aggregator

That should keep you busy for a while.

- Rick Duris

PS: You can also use the "aggregator" keyword for other topics as well, obviously.

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ewenmack 13 years ago

Having all copywriting jobs delivered to your inbox is another way...

courtesy of Google Alerts.

Just type in your subject, when you want to receive it, your email address
and viola, big daddy Google's working for you!

An example would be...copywriter wanted.

If it's indexed on the web, then Google will send it to you.

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ragha

13 years ago

Its good to concentrate on one or 2 sites go head with it.
My attachements too.

Professional Business Job - elance.com

Small Jobs and Freelancer Need - greatlance.com

Micro Jobs - 3to30.com

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johara

13 years ago

compare with the greatlance.com the following websites guru and freelancer.com websites also equal valued freelancing websites.

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Binody66

13 years ago

Hi Friend I am Binod Kumar
I am new User on warrior forum
I want to Freelancer work Like Web deigning adn web development and seo.work
so what i do.
Plz. Help Me ....

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ranjith

13 years ago

Awesome discovery. I am using few of it like guru, elance. And greatlance(which could also be added in list).

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Carmen_Hudson 13 years ago

What I'd be interested to know about this letter writing method is--who do you address it to? How do you pick the companies you're just dying to work for. Honestly, I've worked for all SORTS of individuals and companies, and the criteria for me is a) do I have a hope in Hell of doing a good job for you--there are some companies I can do stellar stuff for and some industries that I just don't have enough knowledge about to do well with;

and b) will you pay me to do it, followed by, depending on how busy I am with;

c) am I actually interested.

Do some company types work better than others? Do some company types work worse than others?
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mongsky

13 years ago

great site vary useful
thank you very much

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sethczerepak

13 years ago

The coolness. Now it's just a matter of sorting through them and separating the cybersludge from the legit sites. Thanks man.

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