How do you write your copy?

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When doing a sales page do you find it is more effective to add various keywords to have a bunch of them... or do you find that repeating one keyword a bunch of times is most effective?

I feel that sprinkling in the keywords might be more effective to actually selling your product while repeating words might be better for SEO.
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  • Profile picture of the author Collette
    SEO and selling have completely different goals. The goal of SEO copy is to make your page visible and attractive to search engines. The goal of sales copy is to make your product or service credible and attractive to prospective buyers.

    Adding keywords to your copy, in any amount or in any order, will not inherently help or hinder your sales copy. Moreover, when you're writing sales copy keywords should be the last thing on your mind.
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  • Profile picture of the author MontelloMarketing
    Jeez... jeez... jeez... Do NOT stuff keywords into your sales letter. It's a surefire way to never make a dime.

    Stuff your keywords into reviews and articles... then link from those pages to your sales page. But... since you're even talking this way it makes me think you probably wrote your own sales page.

    In that case, do it anyway you want... you'll learn the hard (and expensive) way.

    Originally Posted by gigabit_2 View Post

    When doing a sales page do you find it is more effective to add various keywords to have a bunch of them... or do you find that repeating one keyword a bunch of times is most effective?

    I feel that sprinkling in the keywords might be more effective to actually selling your product while repeating words might be better for SEO.
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    • Profile picture of the author gigabit_2
      Yes I did write my own salesletter. I did not try to optimize it for SEO I concentrated more on making a sale. I just thought that adding some keywords to the copy wouldn't hurt it too much. I'm sure you throw in some keywords to your salespage...don't you?
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      • Profile picture of the author MontelloMarketing
        Originally Posted by gigabit_2 View Post

        Yes I did write my own salesletter. I did not try to optimize it for SEO I concentrated more on making a sale. I just thought that adding some keywords to the copy wouldn't hurt it too much. I'm sure you throw in some keywords to your salespage...don't you?
        never... ever... The only words that go into my sales pages are words that persuade you to buy... period.
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        • Profile picture of the author Jacqueline Watson
          Originally Posted by MontelloMarketing View Post

          never... ever... The only words that go into my sales pages are words that persuade you to buy... period.
          I agree with you, when I write copy,
          I rarely focus on keywords, I focus
          on the customer and what their
          needs are.

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        • Profile picture of the author RickGueli
          Originally Posted by MontelloMarketing View Post

          never... ever... The only words that go into my sales pages are words that persuade you to buy... period.
          If one is optimizing a SALESLETTER for Google (well, increasingly, all major search engines), then the LSI (Latent Semantic Indexing) should provide ample "buffer" from the need to fill the salesletter with persuasion-killing amounts of "keywords".

          I think in this instance, even just including them in the Title tag - and just sticking to the topic the keywords pertain to in the actual body of the letter - are more than enough as far as on-page optimization goes.
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      • Profile picture of the author Collette
        Originally Posted by gigabit_2 View Post

        Yes I did write my own salesletter. I did not try to optimize it for SEO I concentrated more on making a sale. I just thought that adding some keywords to the copy wouldn't hurt it too much. I'm sure you throw in some keywords to your salespage...don't you?
        Never. If a keyword winds up in my sales copy, it's because it furthers the sale.

        Like Vin says, keyword stuffing will cost you $$.
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        • Profile picture of the author gigabit_2
          I think I'm a little confused then. Say I am selling a product "X". How can I have a sales page about product "X" without mentioning it? I have heard about marketing "around" a product but is that something you should really do on the products homepage? That doesn't seem to make too much sense to me. A lot of my keywords DO pertain to my actual product...
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          • Profile picture of the author MikeWords
            Gig, of course you can mention your product in your copy, but don't force in key words. The point of sales copy is to make the sale, not to rank well in search engines.

            Use keyword/SEO copy separately with a link to your sales copy.
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    • Profile picture of the author joannabenz
      Originally Posted by MontelloMarketing View Post

      it makes me think you probably wrote your own sales page.
      If that's not a good thing, who would you suggest to write sales copy ???
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  • Profile picture of the author erinwrites
    It depends on what you want to accomplish. Do you want to sell something or do you want to gain "visibility"? It is also important to note, since this is the copywriting board, that whatever your end goal you need to make sure that the keywords flow with the copy itself. Nothing will make someone stop reading faster than trying to force a keyword/phrase where it does not fit!
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  • Profile picture of the author Christie Love
    Who in the world told you to stuff sales copy with keywords? I just hope that going forward, you'll listen to our comments. Please do not stuff keywords in anyone's copy again. It would be greatly appreciated.
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    Originally Posted by gigabit_2 View Post

    When doing a sales page do you find it is more effective to add various keywords to have a bunch of them... or do you find that repeating one keyword a bunch of times is most effective?

    I feel that sprinkling in the keywords might be more effective to actually selling your product while repeating words might be better for SEO.
    Keyword-stuffed pages are not pleasing for the reader. I believe that a sales copy has to be for people, not for search engines. Why do you need a SEO optimized pitch page if you are going to run adwords?

    Also, think about your affiliates. They optimize their pages already. Your link will be on their page that's optimized. Or, if they run adwords, SEO doesn't matter anyway.
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    • Profile picture of the author MaskedMarketer
      Originally Posted by gigabit_2 View Post

      I'm sure you throw in some keywords to your salespage...don't you?
      Hell yeah I throw in "Keywords"!

      But my keywords are different from SEO keywords!
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      • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
        Originally Posted by joannabenz View Post

        If that's not a good thing, who would you suggest to write sales copy ???
        A copywriter.
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        • Profile picture of the author gigabit_2
          Yeah I'm not sure if I want to run adwords or not. That's what got me thinking about doing that (adding keywords) but now I know that I definitely shouldn't! I guess my next step is to write up a couple of articles that try to hit keywords (right?)

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  • Profile picture of the author tommen
    I have found that writing a valuable article and then recommending a product related to the article works best, no one wants to read hyped-up sales pitches.
    Another thing that works really well is writing reviews about the products you are selling.Remember to include the downsides of the product as well in the review.
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  • Profile picture of the author gtrusler
    I usually just concentrate on writing a good sales letter and the optimization generally takes care of itself.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nido
    Ok depending on your niche, you might never make it to googles top 3 pages for seo traffic. So write sales letter like you're supposed to write a sales letter. Then do:

    1. Adwords. Paid traffic better then Free traffic
    2. Adsense. Look at who is in the first page for the keywords you're bidding on and see if they have adsense ads on their site. if they do,
    then swee....market there using googles content network.

    But honeslty, NEVER focus on SEO when you're writing sales copy. Focus
    on Selling. Hope this helped
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    • Profile picture of the author Kenneth L
      Originally Posted by Nido View Post

      Ok depending on your niche, you might never make it to googles top 3 pages for seo traffic. So write sales letter like you're supposed to write a sales letter. Then do:

      1. Adwords. Paid traffic better then Free traffic
      2. Adsense. Look at who is in the first page for the keywords you're bidding on and see if they have adsense ads on their site. if they do,
      then swee....market there using googles content network.

      But honeslty, NEVER focus on SEO when you're writing sales copy. Focus
      on Selling. Hope this helped
      This is very true.

      Paid traffic and Affiliates to your sales page. Let others do the SEO for you and pay them 50% commission!

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  • Profile picture of the author procopywriter
    Lots of good posts here. I second what most other people seem to be saying: Don't even think about SEO when writing sales copy.

    Other than some of the obvious reasons like putting people off with "keyword stuffing", there's a very strategic reason NOT to use keywords people search for in your copy.

    As a marketer, you want to add value to your product and service and position it as something completely different than the competition.

    For example... my girlfriend is a Makeup/Eyebrow Artist. Most women, when they want their eyebrows done, they look for "eyebrow shaping." And most salons charge about $8 for the service.

    But my girlfriend gives "Eyebrow Makeovers" for $55. See how the very language I chose to use conveys much more value than the commoditized phrase "eyebrow shaping"? She happens to be very good at what she does, so she offers a premium service.

    Sure, people are searching for "eyebrow shaping". But if I dared use that phrase, there is no way she could get away with charging $55 for it, no matter how good she is.
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