The "Big Leagues" of Copywriting

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So I've been bitten by the copywriting bug. The last time I felt this excited about something was when I was 16 and I discovered the bass guitar. I've always been a decent writer, and I've been in sales for 15 years, so this really seems like a natural progression for me.

Right now I'm trying to devour everything I can from Dan Kennedy, John Carton, etc...and trying to write out by hand the best copy I can find. (This is an absolute pain in the ass, but I understand that all the top copywriters do this.)

I'm enthralled by the big league of copywriting. Companies like Rodale, Phillips and Boardroom who seek out the best copywriters in the world, and then pit them against each other to see who's copy wins and becomes the "control." The idea that these ads can run for years and generate millions in sales is amazing to me. I understand it's very cutthroat, and the money is phenomenal, and the workload is exhausting.

In my research, one guy's writing really jumped out at me. And that is Gary Bencivenga, and I've only read his marketing bullets page. This guy can write. What I'd like to get my hands on are some of his controls. Are those available anywhere?

And how do I find out what the current controls are for the major players like Rodale, etc? Are those typically only direct mail pieces, or are they published in magazines? This area is really fuzzy to me at the moment, but I figure these are the ads that I really should be studying and writing out by hand.

Anyone know?
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  • Just buy a product from any of the big mailers and you'll be on their list and will get lots of direct mail.

    To learn more about working at the big mailers you should read the interviews over at Clayton Makepeace's site:
    MakepeaceTotalPackage.com

    I'd also get on the email lists of Agora and others. Here is one:

    Economic News and Ideas on Debt, the Market, Gold, Oil, and Investing.
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    • Profile picture of the author PMinc
      I feel obligated to recommend what I consider to be the most underrated direct response copywriting book there is - Denny Hatch's Million Dollar Mailings.

      That thing is a bible and worth every penny.

      Also makes a really nice "thud" when it hits your doorstep.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alex Cohen
      Originally Posted by Joe Ditzel View Post

      Just buy a product from any of the big mailers and you'll be on their list and will get lots of direct mail.

      To learn more about working at the big mailers you should read the interviews over at Clayton Makepeace's site:
      MakepeaceTotalPackage.com
      The interviews can be found here:

      Interviews with Top Copywriters | MakepeaceTotalPackage.com

      An interview with the individual the OP questioned about is included.

      Alex
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Andrews
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    Originally Posted by lazersgopewpew View Post

    ...and trying to write out by hand the best copy I can find. (This is an absolute pain in the ass...)
    Why?

    Why is it an 'absolute pain in the ass'?

    Strange comment given the rest of your comments about your 'keen desire' to learn all you can about copywriting.

    If something is an 'absolute pain in the ass' this leads me to think you find this specific aspect very frustrating, exasperating even. You're doing it out of necessity but your heart isn't really in it which is at odds with the rest of your OP.

    So why is this for you... an 'absolute pain in the ass'?

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    Mark Andrews...
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    • Profile picture of the author Sean Fry
      Originally Posted by Mark Andrews View Post

      Why?

      Why is it an 'absolute pain in the ass'?

      Strange comment given the rest of your comments about your 'keen desire' to learn all you can about copywriting.

      If something is an 'absolute pain in the ass' this leads me to think you find this specific aspect very frustrating, exasperating even. You're doing it out of necessity but your heart isn't really in it which is at odds with the rest of your OP.

      So why is this for you... an 'absolute pain in the ass'?

      Best,


      Mark Andrews...
      Heh. Because I've become SO used to writing by typing on a computer keyboard that I've almost lost my ability to write by hand. It takes a very long time. My cursive is even worse.

      Other than that aspect of it, I admit it does have somewhat of a meditative quality to write out long form copy by hand.
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  • Profile picture of the author sanjaypande
    Originally Posted by lazersgopewpew View Post

    In my research, one guy's writing really jumped out at me. And that is Gary Bencivenga, and I've only read his marketing bullets page. This guy can write. What I'd like to get my hands on are some of his controls. Are those available anywhere?
    You want to copy Bencivenga ...

    Here you go Bencivenga 100 Seminar

    That's around 30,000 words or 72 pages in print. Hand-written you should be able to get it in around 200-250 pages.

    Have fun!
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  • Profile picture of the author Toniy
    I've never written copy by hand and honestly I don't plan to.

    If I'm looking at something in order to absorb it, I open a notepad file and tap out the important points... what it says, why it's good, what and why it makes me feel a certain way.

    I've made notes on well over 200 pages of copy expertise and I don't think it makes a difference whether it's by pen or by notepad

    I could be wrong, but I don't doubt my abilities. If you've got the process down and an analytical mind, I think you'll be ok.

    I'm in the same boat, I've been typing for so long now my wrist actually seizes up if I'm writing anything out by hand for long enough!

    That, and I write like a drunk child.

    I'd love to write well by hand, don't have the time or the inclination to practice it...
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  • Profile picture of the author jjust80
    I allocate 30 minutes a day to write free hand copy which is very managable and it soon becomes a positive habit.

    Just my two cents...
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