A question of 'Proving' yourself and the payoff...

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I've seen a lot of banter on this forum about whether or not copywriters should create work for potential clients on spec.

And while I agree that you should probably avoid badly paid jobs with the promise of more, I would wholeheartedly disagree for larger companies and organizations.

Here's why...

Back in February this year, I applied for the position of a copywriter with a big branding agency in the Middle East. Now, I did my homework - they are very well known , so I knew they weren't about to rip me off.

Anyway, I was asked to produce some work on spec - just 200 words on a topic of their choice to gauge my writing style. Now I have to be honest here guys, their standards are incredibly high - think the Financial Times or the Wall Street Journal or something like that - very, VERY different to the style of writing I normally have.

However, I consider myself to be a very versatile writer, so I didn't let the spec sheet bother me, nor did I start getting all hot and bothered over whether or not I should be paid to do it - it was ONLY 200 words, and took me half an hour at best...

...but I sent it and was surprised when they agreed to hire me!

Even nicer...they asked me my rate per word...now at the time, I was admittedly worried that if I quoted too high they wouldn't agree...so I said 10cents per word to which they quickly accepted!

The lovely lady I dealt with told me they had fired three copywriters before they hired me because of poor standards of work...so naturally when I took on the project I was worried about my ability to deliver...

...and deliver indeed I did - a weeks worth of work netted me $900

As you can imagine, I was ecstatic

But, I'm not done yet, because it gets even better...

This agency kept me on their books because as the editor who proofread my work said: 'She delivers good, clean copy, which is a miracle in itself'...

and guess what? The agency contacted me again about 6 weeks ago for their next project which I only just completed today...

I asked for double the rate this time, and you know what? Instead of 20cents per word which is what I asked for, they decided to give me 25cents per word instead!

So, I've done a day's worth of work and netted a total of $1,138

And guess what? You guessed it - I will now be head copywriter for their next project in March....

So, what lessons can be learnt from this?

If a client asks for spec work, don't scoff at it. Instead, check them out. If they are reputable, then I suggest you go for it like I did. If I had stressed and worried and gotten annoyed at the 'audacity' of a client to ask for work on spec, I wouldn't have had a great opportunity come to me like this. To me, it's no different to doing work pro bono.

The way I look at it is this: clients don't interview you when they hire you, but they need to be sure the person they hire can write to their exact standards...and as I found out, the fact that they fired three copywriters before me says it all - you don't always know what you're going to get when you hire a copywriter.

Spec work makes it easier for clients to pick the person 'write' for them (sorry, I couldn't resist )...

And as always, use your judgement, if you smell a rat, run a mile!
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  • Wow! Great success story! Way to go!!!
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    • Profile picture of the author Mark Andrews
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      • Profile picture of the author Alex Cohen
        arfasaira,

        You wrote 4,500+ words for $1,138.

        How much in sales do you guess they'll make off the ad?

        Alex
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        • Profile picture of the author arfasaira
          Originally Posted by Alex Cohen View Post

          arfasaira,

          You wrote 4,500+ words for $1,138.

          How much in sales do you guess they'll make off the ad?

          Alex
          Hi Alex,

          The work I did for the agency wasn't an ad or anything salesy - sorry I didn't clarify what I wrote - it was simply three articles about the history of the region and that's it - 7 hours work

          I do know that long-standing writers for this agency have charged as much as a dollar per word - so I'd love to be able to do that!

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  • Profile picture of the author Toniy
    Jesus Christ... well done Arfa

    Congratulations, seriously.

    ahhhhh........................ I'm jealous and awe-struck at the same time.

    I think we need to set up an outsourcing contract :p

    I'll only charge 17%

    (For those of you that don't know, ArfaSaira and Mark Andrews and myself are not copywriting business partners. But a good bit of leg pulling is fine between us and the 18% is an ongoing joke with them. I've just made a 17% joke that I'm hoping will take off as I become one of the cool kids)

    As I've said a few times though (seriousing up now), you're acting as living proof Arfa, of the things that are possible and for someone like me right now, it's exactly what I need.

    You have my thanks
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      Originally Posted by Toniy View Post

      (For those of you that don't know, ArfaSaira and Mark Andrews and myself are not copywriting business partners. But a good bit of leg pulling is fine between us and the 18% is an ongoing joke with them. I've just made a 17% joke that I'm hoping will take off as I become one of the cool kids)
      This could be some business partnership. A Cornishman who sounds like an Englishman but isn't. A Welshman who sounds like a Scotsman but isn't. And an English woman who sounds like an Irishman but isn't. All we need now is the Irishman who sounds like a German lady and our ticket to riches is virtually guaranteed.
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      • Profile picture of the author Alex Cohen
        Originally Posted by Mark Andrews View Post

        This could be some business partnership. A Cornishman who sounds like an Englishman but isn't. A Welshman who sounds like a Scotsman but isn't. And an English woman who sounds like a Irishman but isn't. All we need now is the Irishman who sounds like a German lady and our ticket to riches is virtually guaranteed.
        The USP possibilities are endless! :-)
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        • Profile picture of the author arfasaira
          Originally Posted by Toniy View Post

          Jesus Christ... well done Arfa

          As I've said a few times though (seriousing up now), you're acting as living proof Arfa, of the things that are possible and for someone like me right now, it's exactly what I need.

          You have my thanks
          Thanks Toniy, and there is no reason why you or anyone else can't do the same The main lesson here is don't knock an opportunity until you check it out - and when you've proven yourself, you can always ask for more

          Originally Posted by Danielle Lynn View Post


          The problem a lot of newbie copywriters have is when they get offers from Joe Blow saying 'Hey, write out an entire sales page for me and if you win I'll pay you to write later! Maybe."

          A general tip for starting-out copywriters regarding spec work:

          If a company does ask you for spec work, ask how they found you, read up on the company/group you're writing for. Do they seem established? Most spec work is usually 'short and sweet' so the company can get a feel for your work- not an entire month-long project.

          Be wary of 'micro businesses' and individuals who ask for spec work. More likely than not, these are the people who just want some freebie copy off of you.
          Danielle - excellent points and just solidifies what I'm saying here - the smaller ones are the ones you need to be wary of - larger corporations have reputations to uphold and aren't about to short-change you!

          Originally Posted by Robert John Hughes View Post

          Great story Arfa and an even better point - check out the prospect and if they are legit, don't hesitate to show 'em your stuff. A couple of years ago, I was approached to do a voice over for a marketing agency in LA. They were looking for "quick and cheap." They have come back to me three more times, are now paying my full rate per session - and just hired me to voice four videos for their blue chip client Samsung. Nice coin in the bank account, nice credit on the resume.
          Precisely - always give the best and BE the best - it really is your chance to shine, because who knows where it will lead you?
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    Nicely done Arfa,

    I absolutely agree— when I'm working with larger corporations and companies, I don't mind doing a small spec projects if they ask before bringing me on board.

    The problem a lot of newbie copywriters have is when they get offers from Joe Blow saying 'Hey, write out an entire sales page for me and if you win I'll pay you to write later! Maybe."

    But this is a great example of when it's okay to do a little spec work.

    A general tip for starting-out copywriters regarding spec work:

    If a company does ask you for spec work, ask how they found you, read up on the company/group you're writing for. Do they seem established? Most spec work is usually 'short and sweet' so the company can get a feel for your work- not an entire month-long project.

    Be wary of 'micro businesses' and individuals who ask for spec work. More likely than not, these are the people who just want some freebie copy off of you.
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  • Great story Arfa and an even better point - check out the prospect and if they are legit, don't hesitate to show 'em your stuff. A couple of years ago, I was approached to do a voice over for a marketing agency in LA. They were looking for "quick and cheap." They have come back to me three more times, are now paying my full rate per session - and just hired me to voice four videos for their blue chip client Samsung. Nice coin in the bank account, nice credit on the resume.
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    Originally Posted by arfasaira View Post

    So, what lessons can be learnt from this?

    If a client asks for spec work, don't scoff at it.
    Maybe you're correct yet the conclusion you've drawn may be incorrect. I could jump out a 7th story window, happen to survive the fall (most wouldn't), but then conclude the lesson learned was it's okay to jump out of 7 story windows. Or spend every last dollar I have on lottery tickets, driving myself into financial devastation, but with my absolute last bottom dollar win the biggest jackpot ever, and conclude that indeed, one must be in it to win and never give up.

    When it comes to spec work for copywriters, I truly have no idea if it's a good idea or not. I'm just pointing out the logic leading to your conclusion is flawed. It personally happened to work out for you this one time, is really all you can really say about it. And how wonderful for you that it did! Congratulations!
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    • Profile picture of the author Andrew Gould
      Originally Posted by misterme View Post

      I'm just pointing out the logic leading to your conclusion is flawed.
      It's not.

      Your examples are not the same thing.

      Arfa doesn't say "Wow, spec work was a success for me, therefore it'll be a success for everyone".

      What the young lady does say is "Wow, spec work was a success for me, if you're offered some, don't automatically sneer at it and turn it down, do a little research to see if it's a valid opportunity or not".

      And that seems pretty much spot on to me.
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      • Profile picture of the author arfasaira
        Originally Posted by Andrew Gould View Post

        It's not.

        Your examples are not the same thing.

        Arfa doesn't say "Wow, spec work was a success for me, therefore it'll be a success for everyone".

        What the young lady does say is "Wow, spec work was a success for me, if you're offered some, don't automatically sneer at it and turn it down, do a little research to see if it's a valid opportunity or not".

        And that seems pretty much spot on to me.
        Thanks for that Andrew, this is exactly what I am saying...and indeed what the others here are saying too...and it appears that only some of us get the point :rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author sandrasims
    Congrats Arfa!

    What an inspiring success story! I'd love to get 25 cents a word!

    That was definitely a good call on the spec work, it was really just a test at 200 words. I think a lot of companies are asking for proof before hiring these days. I applied for a social media manager job where I had to answer 3 pages worth of questions plus watch a video and answer questions about that. Was it worth it? Well it would have been dumb to refuse. But I didn't get the job.
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    • Profile picture of the author arfasaira
      Originally Posted by sandrasims View Post

      Congrats Arfa!

      What an inspiring success story! I'd love to get 25 cents a word!

      That was definitely a good call on the spec work, it was really just a test at 200 words. I think a lot of companies are asking for proof before hiring these days. I applied for a social media manager job where I had to answer 3 pages worth of questions plus watch a video and answer questions about that. Was it worth it? Well it would have been dumb to refuse. But I didn't get the job.
      Hey Sandra,

      I totally understand why clients want to road-test their potential candidates. After all, some clients out there are looking for long-term copywriters they can depend on, and you wouldn't just hire anyone to come into your organization without somehow testing them out!

      I remember I went for an analyst's position at the then named Anderson Consulting - a whole day of testing and a grueling interview - I didn't get it though but I got something MUCH better....A job with their rival firm and in my opinion, much, much less snobby PricewaterhouseCoopers - so not to worry, I bet something even better comes your way

      best
      Arfa
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