Dear boys and girls, gather round, Uncle Gordy has a sweet story to tell ya...

by gjabiz
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PSYCH.

I'm not going to treat you like children and the vast majority would be insulted if I did.

You want to become a paid copywriter or learn to write copy that works?

Lose the thin skin. Toughen up.

When I started the big bully copywriter training me would tear my paper to pieces throw it in my face yelling and screaming at me declaring that I didn't know who my mother was, calling me every name in his book (and he had a big book.)...and then let the whole office know how lousy I was...

and that is when he thought my copy "wasn't bad"...

But since he was hauling down 7 figures and I was like low man on the totem pole...I thought, maybe, just maybe...he knew more than I did.

It is NOT personal, don't take negative critiques or rejection personally or you won't last long.

Here are the 4 biggest mistakes I've seen in the last 10 days from you copywriters who have submitted copy...

IT'S BORING. Cardinal sin number one. 15 pages of copy??? Really?? I got one of those, and after about page 2, I heard zzzzzzzzz, and caught myself before I hit the floor and hurt myself.

IT'S HYPE. There is hype that works and then there is UNBELIEVABLE from the opening sentence B.S. HYPE. The majority of the pieces fall into this.

IT'S I, I, I, I, ETC. One piece had 15 I's in the first few paragraphs. Our contorl piece has 0. You can write copy without having to use the all about I approach...cause it ain't about any I/me it's about THEM and what they get out of it.

And IT'S TIMID. It is meek, mild, Clark Kent copy...almost apologetic.

Let me give you a few tips. Copy is, and I believe this is true, SALESMANSHIP in print.

Even today, many of the better copywriters have some sales experience.

I'd bet the majority of younger writers, or cubs or newbies have NO sales experienc and it shows. You don't know or understand the sales process.

And Storytelling...you don't need two pages to tell a story, because it quickly becomes blah, blah blah...

LOSE the reader's interest, you've lost a sale.

The story should be relevant to the sale...pushing the reader ever so gently down the path YOU want him to take.

So, don't take offense to rejection or negative critique.

If you are unwilling to find a part time job selling something, at least read a few books on the subject so you know there is a process...and the copy reading process should closely follow that, with exceptions of course.

Boring, Hype, I, I, I, and Timid are the biggest mistakes I've seen from YOU warriors in the last few days who have submitted copy.

Just trying to help.

And they lived happily ever after. The END.

gjabiz
#boys #dear #gather #girls #gordy #round #story #sweet #uncle
  • Profile picture of the author CopyWriteHer
    I get what you're saying and I appreciate it. I've never understood why "grooming" a copywriter has to be like going through basic training in the Army.

    I mean... we are selling things in print, not toughening up to kill people in a land far away.

    Since there is such a push towards relationship based marketing, I would think the environment of grooming junior copywriters might become more communal.

    Maybe it's just the hippie in me.

    Good post.
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    • Profile picture of the author gjabiz
      CopyWriteHer,

      I totally agree with you. And you find in person, face to face, it isn't the Sarge with Gomer Pyle...although, Gomer moslty came out ahead...

      There is more nurturing, mentoring and gentle influence.

      And I do teach that way...or did.

      But online, and with 25 people submitting copy, there isn't time.

      How I do it is, IF the copy cub wants it, I'll give him/her suggestions on their copy how to improve it...even help.

      In a competitive situation, which I put the participants in, I feel it only fair to judge them on what they submit.

      Now, I'm about to make some changes. The two women we want to test, well, I'm going to give them both a little advice to strengthen up their copy...hints and suggestions...but within their framework...because it is good copy...just needs some sales elements in both pieces.

      So, out of fairness and time constraints I have to give them a yes/no decision, without explanation...

      And this hasn't gone down well with some of them...but they don't want my input or explanation, they want to challenge the NO...and I don't have time for that, so...

      GOOOLLLLY SARGE... you are one tough SOB.

      But, I do agree with you on teaching people, there is a better way than BOOTCAMP, which incidentally comes from all the MACHO copywriters back in the day...

      Read their copy, take no prisoners, roll over the enemy, capture, devaste the competition...etc. etc.

      I'm always glad to point new women to Marcia Yudkin and her style which I think is much better than the good ol boys style.

      Thanks for your post,

      gjabiz




      Originally Posted by CopyWriteHer View Post

      I get what you're saying and I appreciate it. I've never understood why "grooming" a copywriter has to be like going through basic training in the Army.

      I mean... we are selling things in print, not toughening up to kill people in a land far away.

      Since there is such a push towards relationship based marketing, I would think the environment of grooming junior copywriters might become more communal.

      Maybe it's just the hippie in me.

      Good post.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
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    I wish I had more copy you Gentlemen could "critique." : )

    However one thing concerns me, how do I know if I'm getting good advice?
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    • Profile picture of the author gjabiz
      Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

      I wish I had more copy you Gentlemen could "critique." : )

      However one thing concerns me, how do I know if I'm getting good advice?

      Jonathon 2.0

      How do you know you are getting good advice?

      At any given day here, there are people asking for critiques and they get them. Sometimes they get a few, sometimes a dozen or more.

      Due diligence helps separate the wheat from the chaff...and common sense too comes into play.

      Even so-called expert advice must meet your criteria...too oft, we don't know what the intent of the copy is, or how it is going to be used, or who the target market is...

      But it is sort of like reading 10 Simple Yet Powerful POSITIVE thinking and self talk reports...one gets to decide whether it is useful advice or just more of the same ol same ol stuff. See?

      You bring something with you whenever you read any advice...does the advice work for you? Does it offer solutions? Or is it just a bunch of rehashed stuff from some gurus?

      Since it is FREE advice here, you might want to take it all with a grain of salt or put it to the test. Eh?

      gjabiz
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  • Profile picture of the author abugah
    Originally Posted by gjabiz View Post

    PSYCH.


    IT'S BORING. Cardinal sin number one. 15 pages of copy??? Really?? I got one of those, and after about page 2, I heard zzzzzzzzz, and caught myself before I hit the floor and hurt myself.

    gjabiz
    This caught my attention. And I remembered two old quotes that I think are appropriate...

    'There is no such thing on earth as an uninteresting subject; the only thing that can exist is an uninterested person.'
    -G.K. Chesterton


    'Don't tell me the moon is shining; show me the glint of light on broken glass.'
    -Anton Chekhov


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    • Profile picture of the author gjabiz
      Thanks abugah,

      Love Chekov,

      But let me see the shining moon in eyes glistening and reflected off her moist lips and bouncing ever so gently from between her unbuttoned blouse...

      the broken glass moaning from the fireplace where we toasted the night, each other and tossed the mood setting Bordeaux into...the glint now upon our naked selves...

      that's the way I like to be told the moon is shining.

      Eh?



      Originally Posted by abugah View Post

      This caught my attention. And I remembered two old quotes that I think are appropriate...

      'There is no such thing on earth as an uninteresting subject; the only thing that can exist is an uninterested person.'
      -G.K. Chesterton


      'Don't tell me the moon is shining; show me the glint of light on broken glass.'
      -Anton Chekhov

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      • Profile picture of the author Pusateri
        Originally Posted by gjabiz View Post

        Thanks abugah,

        Love Chekov,

        But let me see the shining moon in eyes glistening and reflected off her moist lips and bouncing ever so gently from between her unbuttoned blouse...

        the broken glass moaning from the fireplace where we toasted the night, each other and tossed the mood setting Bordeaux into...the glint now upon our naked selves...

        that's the way I like to be told the moon is shining.

        Eh?
        That's how Don Staley would sell toenail clippers.
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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Scott
    To add to Gordon's post... the thing about being a good copywriter is you need to develop an instinct that allows you to match the market you're writing to.

    For example... the same amount of "sizzle" could be boring in one market, and come across as BS in another.

    Plus, every rule has exceptions.

    I've written letters where the "story" went on for a lot more than two pages - although it's usually "broken up" with other stuff between it.

    And one of those just pulled a $5 EPC while other similar promotions are struggling to break into dollars, rather than cents... so it's not like I'm throwing out an untested opinion on this one.

    I also think the absolute BEST thing you can do as a copywriter is have your work torn about brutally by guys who are better than you.

    I wouldn't have put up with yelling, cursing and all that like Gordon did - I probably would have punched that guy in the face...

    But when colleagues I respect tear apart my work, I get excited... because it's going to make me a better writer.

    Of course, I don't always agree with them... and no one knows for sure what will work until it does (although with experience you tend to have an idea of what WON'T work)...

    But I'm super grateful for their insights.

    In fact, I'd say building a network of other good copywriters (and marketers who "get" copy/marketing) is one of the best things you can do to get better... and hence build your career.

    So if a good copywriter like Gordon gives you advice, don't ignore it and tell yourself how good you are - learn from it and get better.

    -Daniel
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeHumphreys
      Nice thread Gordon.

      A thick skin definitely helps. Being able to take criticism is really important.

      So does having a never quit attitude.

      The best copywriters I know do NOT quit when something they write doesn't immediately convert. They roll up their sleeves and get to work figuring out WHY it's not converting as expected.

      After 6+ years in this field, I've discovered that the more you charge, the more "never quit" attitude you have to have.

      When clients are paying you thousands of dollars for your help and spending even more on marketing, throwing your hands up in the air and saying "oh well, we tried" generally isn't accepted as an answer.

      Daniel also shared a great point about business networks.

      Developing your own network of copywriters that are as good or slightly better than you is really important. Some of my copywriting allies (no names publicly... you know who you are) have told me flat-out if something I wrote was sub-par and why. Some of them have absolutely shredded something I've written too.

      Every single time, I was 110% grateful to hear their criticism and feedback.

      Every single time, their objective opinion was dead-on right.

      Even better, I've been able to return the favor for them and help them deliver a better piece of marketing for their clients.

      Take care,

      Mike
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      • Profile picture of the author Ross Bowring
        Originally Posted by MikeHumphreys View Post

        After 6+ years in this field, I've discovered that the more you charge, the more "never quit" attitude you have to have.
        Truth.

        --- Ross
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