Copyrighting is for the masses - right?

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This is what I am thinking. Some of the headings I see come off as something you would hear from used-car salesman - or - it looks as though its is trying to hit someone's emotional button. My thoughts are that it would not be as effective on C-suite people, VPs or CEOs, etc. or others in high places because it seems to require that someone spend 80% of their waking day watching television. Is this a correct assessment?
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  • Profile picture of the author sloanjim
    Hey spot on and exaclty what i was thinking. Most copywriters in my experience (and maybe it was the niches i was in ) seem to be full of cheesy, hype phrases that made me cringe.

    There's no way this would hold any credibiltiy in B2B or to the professional markets.

    There are it seems two ways two ways to talk to people:

    1) Hype and B*S* to the masses chasing down fads, get rich quick, push button businesses.

    2) Factual, to the point, B2B and high end clients.

    My 2 cents...
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  • ...the way to do it is.

    Research your target audience, in great depth (age, demographics, social status, sex, occupations, incomes, likes, dislikes, what do they crave for, what they buy, how they buy it etc, etc etc) - put yourself in their shoes - walk a mile, two or three, read what they read, watch what they watch, eat what they eat (you don't have to do that) - but become your audience for a while.

    Then you'll have a good insight in how to write the copy that absolutely resonates with them - bringing you the best results - because you've reached them and persuaded them to buy in their world. Not your world, not somebody else's world - their world.

    Just make sure the product/service is outstanding and the offer is irresistible.


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  • Profile picture of the author The Copy Nazi
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    Sigh. How many times do we see this?

    "Copyrighting"
    - The legal right granted to an author, composer, playwright, publisher, or distributor to exclusive publication, production, sale, or distribution of a literary, musical, dramatic, or artistic work.

    "Copywriting" is the act of writing copy (text) for advertising or marketing.

    But to answer your question - "Is this a correct assumption?" - No. There's copy and there's copy - different horses for different courses. Of course you wouldn't talk/write to a Fortune 500 CEO in the same style as you would to Joe The Plumber. Patently obvious.
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    • Profile picture of the author dgmufasa
      Originally Posted by The Copy Nazi View Post

      But to answer your question - "Is this a correct assumption?" - No. There's copy and there's copy - different horses for different courses. Of course you wouldn't talk/write to a Fortune 500 CEO in the same style as you would to Joe The Plumber. Patently obvious.
      From what I have seen on the IM Forum, the target market (96% of the time) is Joe the Plumber. I guess it's easier to try to squeeze $20 out of Joe the Plumber than $200 or $2000 out of Joe the CEO. Most of the copywriting (thanks for the tip ) examples I have seen go for Joe the Plumber.

      You actually believe there is a combination of buzz words, emotional hints, etc. that would get a Fortune 500 CEO to open your email or convert with your website?
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      • Profile picture of the author BrianMcLeod
        Originally Posted by dgmufasa View Post

        You actually believe there is a combination of buzz words, emotional hints, etc. that would get a Fortune 500 CEO to open your email or convert with your website?
        You actually believe that a Fortune 500 CEO is not a human being - with all of the same insecurities, anxieties, dreams and passions as other humans?
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    • Profile picture of the author dgmufasa
      Originally Posted by sloanjim View Post

      There are it seems two ways two ways to talk to people:

      1) Hype and B*S* to the masses chasing down fads, get rich quick, push button businesses.

      2) Factual, to the point, B2B and high end clients.
      Originally Posted by The Copy Nazi View Post

      But to answer your question - "Is this a correct assumption?" - No. There's copy and there's copy - different horses for different courses. Of course you wouldn't talk/write to a Fortune 500 CEO in the same style as you would to Joe The Plumber. Patently obvious.
      I agree with these 2 pts. Joe CEO and Joe the Plumber may both like courtside tickets to the Nicks game but Joe CEO would be the one who could afford them. You would not use *the exact same spiel* to sell to both groups even though both groups have feelings, needs, emotions and blah, blah, blah.

      I get it though - someone said that it is the culture of IM that produces the "hyped-up" sales copies, etc. But, the "hyped-up" sales copies would not exist unless they were working somehow. This forum is pretty old. Were they not working, I think the would would have been out by now and something else would be in its place.

      As an example: I remember getting on the email mailing list of someone - because they were "one of the best" - according to a thread (even though I did not know what "the best" meant).

      I got a video (or a audio sales pitch) I don't remember - that had ran on for OVER 30 seconds without saying anything. It was more like rambling. My clicking away action was interrupted by an annoying pop-up asking why I wanted to go. In the following days, I got an avalanche of emails from this guy that could not be stopped. Now I fixed my email client to automatically forward emails from this site to the trash.
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  • I sell to both markets. You'd be amazed how similar people are across the board.

    Check out this post from Troy White.
    The difference between B2B and B2C
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    • Profile picture of the author dgmufasa
      Originally Posted by Joe Ditzel View Post

      I sell to both markets. You'd be amazed how similar people are across the board.

      Check out this post from Troy White.
      The difference between B2B and B2C
      Thanks for the article.

      The item below seems to indicate that there is a difference in a approach for a B2B customer vs. B2C

      Like the one client who sells B2B: we sent out 200 letters to a COLD list... business buyers who had NEVER heard of him before. These were highly sophisticated buyers who worked for companies that ranged from $5 million a year to $500 million a year.

      We mailed a 2-page black and white letter (no fancy brochures - no gloss - no color - not even a picture to be seen).
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      • Originally Posted by dgmufasa View Post

        Thanks for the article.

        The item below seems to indicate that there is a difference in a approach for a B2B customer vs. B2C
        B2B generally takes longer because the purchases can be very large and they affect many people from the CEO to the end user.

        The buying cycle goes through a series of stages. In the beginning, the company gathers information. Later, they've identified a problem and are looking for verifiable solutions. In the end, they compare solutions and narrow the vendor selection.

        You need different sales material for each stage. That might be whitepapers, case studies, video demonstrations, testimonials, data sheets and product brochures.
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        • Profile picture of the author dgmufasa
          Originally Posted by Joe Ditzel View Post

          B2B generally takes longer because the purchases can be very large and they affect many people from the CEO to the end user.

          The buying cycle goes through a series of stages. In the beginning, the company gathers information. Later, they've identified a problem they have and are looking for verifiable solutions. In the end, they compare solutions and narrow the vendor selection.
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          So in a sense, what you are saying is that it would be better to go with something in a form of a RFP (in a B2B scenario) rather than just cold-calling.

          In the case I am working on, the business (large) was offering a service (in a B2B scenario) - but it required the use of expensive equipment. The equipment had to be purchased or leased.

          Some competitors are now offering services that do not require the use of expensive equipment.

          As a response the large business is offering the service and equipment free for 6 months. Of course, this is not available to current customers.

          I wanted to be able to give them a way to offer the same service to some markets (without the need to use the expensive equipment).

          According to a supposed VP in that industry earlier this year, this is something that they would want as a "competitive advantage".

          Other than the link you posted, I have not seen any examples of copywriting in B2B scenarios - just IM and B2C.
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  • Profile picture of the author Don Grace
    Never over-estimate the sophistication of a market. As humans we all have the same core emotions to tap into no matter what your occupation.
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  • Profile picture of the author laurencewins
    When people take their clothes off, they are the same underneath...all pink and wrinkly. People have the same basic hopes, dreams, goals and as long as you focus on what THEY want and don't put YOUR values into the equation, then you'll have success.
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  • Profile picture of the author The Copy Warriors
    Are you looking exclusively at direct response copy written for internet marketing clients?

    Copywriting is a pretty broad field, and the world of direct-response overlaps with that of brand advertising quite a bit.

    David Ogilvy always used to say that brand marketers would eventually need to start using direct response principles in their campaigns, because direct response copy tactics are just so much more powerful than (traditional) brand advertising tactics.

    I mean, think of it this way.

    You say that direct-response copywriters use cheesy "used car salesman" tactics. But if you look at any respected guide to copwriting, nowhere does it actually tell you "write a bunch of hype-filled garbage full of over the top phrases like 'sale-sucking' and 'profit-pulling'". It's something that copywriters in areas like IM tend to come up with independently, because that's just the culture in IM circles.

    A good direct-response copywriter would do what works, which in certain markets might be 'use-car salesman' tactics.

    When you think of it that way, it's easy to see that what the direct-response copywriters are doing is better than what a lot of brand marketers are doing. I mean yes, direct-response copy can come on strong. But look at the brand advertising world. A lot of it is built on these lame attempts to use innuendo and almost Freudian style psychological manipulation to influence the buyer subconsciously. Think of that Samsung ad for the GS3 (which was actually a great ad, but most like it aren't).

    Maybe some of this stuff works, some of the time, but it's untested for the most part. BY comparison, direct-response copy tactics are much more reliable.
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  • Profile picture of the author wrcato2
    "What Mental Demons Are You Battling?" V.S. "Corns Gone In 5 Days Gaurenteed"
    or "Men, Cut your shaving time in half..."
    It doesn't matter what walk of life you come from. Basically we are all alike and respond to the same buying urges, and the same emotions that sold customers 20,000 years ago sell them today.

    The difference: Some are serious and would write copy because they love to do it, verses those whom just want the $$$ and don't care.
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  • These are some examples of B2B copywriting.

    Here are whitepapers:

    Whitepapers.org - All The World's White Papers In One Place

    Here are some case studies:

    Free Case Study Samples for Business Majors

    Here is a high quality B2B video:

    The Best B2B Viral Video Ever
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  • Profile picture of the author jayruggs
    Part of perfecting you copy-writing is to research your target audience. Once you know who you are talking to, you will better be able to write ad copy to hit their pain buttons. People can be both similar and different "classes" of individuals you speak of, and what works for one thing may not be as effective for the next. It's all about giving people what they want or what they need.
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  • Profile picture of the author burke1024
    Originally Posted by dgmufasa View Post

    This is what I am thinking. Some of the headings I see come off as something you would hear from used-car salesman - or - it looks as though its is trying to hit someone's emotional button. My thoughts are that it would not be as effective on C-suite people, VPs or CEOs, etc. or others in high places because it seems to require that someone spend 80% of their waking day watching television. Is this a correct assessment?
    I think you give too much credit to VP's and CEO's. I've known many of them that are half witted and jump on anything that promises them riches for free.
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  • Profile picture of the author MojoMatt
    This is why my agency doesn't hire anyone who has formally studied marketing to write copy. Too many bad habits, usually too formal, and a lack of imagination.

    I think it comes down to understanding buyer persona. One of the differences between a decent copywriter and great one is the ability to understand who the ideal target audience is. If that's B2B C-suite, then content needs to be adjusted to be high level focused on business results and ROI. If it's a manager, it needs to focus on strategy. If it's a basic employee, it needs to be technical and tactical. Whoever is making the decision to buy your product is who you need to appeal to.
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  • Profile picture of the author eugenedm
    People are not the same regardless if the basic needs are similar. If you want to sell to Joe the plumber the approach will definitely be different with the copywriting method you will use when you sell to Joe the CEO.

    Regardless of your target market, copywriting should be done with an acute understanding of what the client really wants.
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