How I Made Money In Copywriting By Listening To Country Music And How You Can Too

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A great deal of my fortune comes from writing direct response ads for my various business ventures. When I started in copywriting, those used to be sales letters and magazine ads. Nowadays they are websites and emails. The medium changes but the skills are the same and to write a great direct response ad you need to be a good storyteller.

The way I learned storytelling is by listening to country music. Some of the best country songs are really great short stories. You can, with some modification, use them in your advertising.

Take Kenny Rogers' "The Gambler". This one is a typical "Blackie Story" of a man on his deathbed reveling a secret to a newbie. The term "Blackie story" comes from a 1950s sales letter where a dying old gambler named Blackie reveals a secret of striking it rich in the casinos to a young man. This type of secret-revealing story template was used over and over again during the past 50+ years to sell anything from stock-picking programs to weight loss advice, which proves how effective and versatile it is...

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  • Profile picture of the author BrianMcLeod
    I was just having this exact same conversation in a private mastermind a few days ago (we were talking about the upcoming Kennedy Infosummit in Nashvegas).

    I'll share a snip:

    When I was a teenager, my dad moved to Nashville to run a small publicity and PR shop as part of a collective in Nashville that included a 24-track studio, indie record label, artist management/booking agency.

    I flew up to spend summers with him during high-school and recorded on shit-tons of custom country projects and demos. While too much twang still turns me off, I learned to love great country music the same way I love great rock and roll, and great hip-hop, great jazz, great MUSIC.

    Later, as I pursued my own long slog through the plastic money trench of major label record deal vaporware and always-impending stardom, I brought my rag-tag group of rocker knuckleheads up to Nashville with me and introduced them to the same mojo that hooked me.

    What's this got to do with copywriting?

    We were doing basic tracks for a song in the studio at LSI on Music Row one night - very late. Probably 3-5 AM... everyone is zonked, probably a little bit stoned, and the lyrics for the scratch vocal just weren't coming together the way we wanted.

    Into the control room stumbles George, a big, drunken 6' 5" house songwriter from Texas who was seemingly always around (equal parts gifted/trouble). He says, "Boys... You gotta write these words so that even a BLIND MAN can see them"

    It was a simple statement made most likely while passing a joint but it hit me like lightning that night and has quite literally been a filter for everything I've ever written afterwards - including and especially COPY.

    Great lyrics (and copy) make(s) people imagine THEMSELVES in the story, instead of the artist. Who hasn't visualized looking up and out of a hole in the roof where the rain gets in... and stops your mind from wandering... where it will go?

    Plus, in every great country song there's a distinct HOOK - and a rich story built around that hook.

    Sound like good copy, yet?
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeremey
      I've written a few songs...I do draw on many of the same strengths to write good copy as I do when I'm songwriting, and I find a lot of similarities. Foremost is trying to tell a story within a short amount of time.

      The way I write a song (lyrically at least) is that I'll have an entire idea for a story -- An entire story, sometimes with a background or history involved so I'll understand the motivations and get a better idea of where the story will lead to. Then the challenge becomes getting all the important points into that story within a finite amount of space. When every word matters (and in songwriting, like copywriting, you've got to make every word or image draw an emotion from the listener/reader), it's a real challenge to figure out how to tell that story in 3 simple verses or less...

      The hook being the most important element to the song, what I've found is, again, like in copywriting, it's so important yet so difficult to write a hook that embodies everything your song is about, and yet so easy to fall into cliche territory. You must have a good mastery of finding the right combination of words to evoke emotion and imagery...Sounds a lot like copywriting.

      When I was writing a song with Jon Cain from Journey, I described to him everything about the characters in the song...Where they came from, what their hopes were, why they were in the situation they were in...what the future held for them. Cain says skeptically, "Yeah, but you can't say all of that in a song?!" Well of course you can't spell out all that detail in three verses, but you sure can find a way to get the story across using the amount of words you have...

      So we finished that song and it ended up selling a million copies, and although there's no real specifics about who the characters are, where they come from, etc, I can listen to the song and know those exact details...and so can the listener, which is what made it resonate with people...And knowing those details helped me to carve away all the nonsense and filter it down into a format where the listener connects and understands and feels what is happening in the song.

      Huge parallels between songwriting and copywriting, and I think about that exact thing every single day.

      Here's a "story" song that I wrote similar to the one I described above...Knowing all the details and aspects of everything about the story as I wrote it, and whittling it all down into just a 195 words.

      I Think I Know | Jeremey Frederick
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      • Profile picture of the author RichBeck
        Originally Posted by Jeremey View Post

        When I was writing a song with Jon Cain from Journey, I described to him everything about the characters in the song...Where they came from, what their hopes were, why they were in the situation they were in...what the future held for them. Cain says skeptically, "Yeah, but you can't say all of that in a song?!" Well of course you can't spell out all that detail in three verses, but you sure can find a way to get the story across using the amount of words you have...

        So we finished that song and it ended up selling a million copies, and although there's no real specifics about who the characters are, where they come from, etc, I can listen to the song and know those exact details...and so can the listener, which is what made it resonate with people...And knowing those details helped me to carve away all the nonsense and filter it down into a format where the listener connects and understands and feels what is happening in the song.
        Jeremey,

        Interesting... Journey had so much awesome music.... My two favorites.... Separate Ways and Send Her My Love... Both "story" songs....

        Take Care,

        Rich Beck
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        • Profile picture of the author Jeremey
          Originally Posted by RichBeck View Post

          Jeremey,

          Interesting... Journey had so much awesome music.... My two favorites.... Separate Ways and Send Her My Love... Both "story" songs....

          Take Care,

          Rich Beck
          Thanks Rich, yeah, I think when Jon Cain joined Journey in 1981 he brought a whole different aspect to their songwriting, and a big part of that was the stories...Songs like you mention above, and just about every tune he had a hand in writing since then. That's a big part of the reason why Journey's popularity has endured...Everyone relates to the stories, they're so universal. And everyone looks back on some point in their life and says, "Yeah, that was me then," or something similar.
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      • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
        Originally Posted by Jeremey View Post

        I've written a few songs...I do draw on many of the same strengths to write good copy as I do when I'm songwriting, and I find a lot of similarities. Foremost is trying to tell a story within a short amount of time.

        The way I write a song (lyrically at least) is that I'll have an entire idea for a story -- An entire story, sometimes with a background or history involved so I'll understand the motivations and get a better idea of where the story will lead to. Then the challenge becomes getting all the important points into that story within a finite amount of space. When every word matters (and in songwriting, like copywriting, you've got to make every word or image draw an emotion from the listener/reader), it's a real challenge to figure out how to tell that story in 3 simple verses or less...

        The hook being the most important element to the song, what I've found is, again, like in copywriting, it's so important yet so difficult to write a hook that embodies everything your song is about, and yet so easy to fall into cliche territory. You must have a good mastery of finding the right combination of words to evoke emotion and imagery...Sounds a lot like copywriting.

        When I was writing a song with Jon Cain from Journey, I described to him everything about the characters in the song...Where they came from, what their hopes were, why they were in the situation they were in...what the future held for them. Cain says skeptically, "Yeah, but you can't say all of that in a song?!" Well of course you can't spell out all that detail in three verses, but you sure can find a way to get the story across using the amount of words you have...

        So we finished that song and it ended up selling a million copies, and although there's no real specifics about who the characters are, where they come from, etc, I can listen to the song and know those exact details...and so can the listener, which is what made it resonate with people...And knowing those details helped me to carve away all the nonsense and filter it down into a format where the listener connects and understands and feels what is happening in the song.

        Huge parallels between songwriting and copywriting, and I think about that exact thing every single day.

        Here's a "story" song that I wrote similar to the one I described above...Knowing all the details and aspects of everything about the story as I wrote it, and whittling it all down into just a 195 words.

        I Think I Know | Jeremey Frederick
        OK, which Journey song was it? (Understood if you'd rather not say.)

        Don't Stop Believin' (Small Town Girl) is very popular in the bar where I used to shoot pool. Always got a kick out of seeing people younger than the song singing along with people
        who were around when it first came out. Stunning and simple IMAGERY. Lasting.

        Journey - Don't Stop Believin' (Small Town Girl) w/lyrics - YouTube has the words and music.

        Years a go I heard a radio discussion/interview with some top Nashville songwriters ("This is the house that Tim (McGraw) built." level) and it was fascinating. One of these songwriters in particular had an encyclopedic knowledge of songs and songwriters from many genres and going back at least fifty years. "Can't do that theme or use those words because it too much like such and such song from 1964..."

        Dedication and study much like some of the copywriters and marketers here who have that much knowledge of their craft and the people who started it.

        Wordsmiths all.
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        • Profile picture of the author Jeremey
          Originally Posted by bizgrower View Post

          OK, which Journey song was it? (Understood if you'd rather not say.)

          Don't Stop Believin' (Small Town Girl) is very popular in the bar where I used to shoot pool. Always got a kick out of seeing people younger than the song singing along with people
          who were around when it first came out. Stunning and simple IMAGERY. Lasting.

          Journey - Don't Stop Believin' (Small Town Girl) w/lyrics - YouTube has the words and music.

          Years a go I heard a radio discussion/interview with some top Nashville songwriters ("This is the house that Tim (McGraw) built." level) and it was fascinating. One of these songwriters in particular had an encyclopedic knowledge of songs and songwriters from many genres and going back at least fifty years. "Can't do that theme or use those words because it too much like such and such song from 1964..."

          Dedication and study much like some of the copywriters and marketers here who have that much knowledge of their craft and the people who started it.

          Wordsmiths all.
          Here's the song I co-wrote with the band. My contribution was the vocal melody (scat sung with the band during rehearsals), the idea for the story, then shaping Cain's lyrics to fit the story, and all of the lyrics (and background vocal arrangements) for the chorus. Pretty much had the chorus hook and lyrics while I was "scat singing" with the band and we build the song up around that.

          There's a lot of parallels I think between writing good songs and writing copy...On the surface it sounds like a bit of a cop-out or a gimmick, but when I am writing, I know that I'm using a lot of the same tools to create desire and action within the prospects. In fact my next copywriting sales letter is focused on the parallels I've found between the two.

          I think a lot of copywriters coming into the business from different career backgrounds can find bits of their previous lives in the practice of copywriting and relate those "bits" to developing their own skills.

          People coming from journalism backgrounds, technical writing backgrounds, sales backgrounds...they all can draw on those skills in copywriting. Then you get guys out of left field sometimes like me with songwriting and performing, guys like Kevin Rogers with his standup career, and of course Vin Montello with his background in writing for TV.

          Anyway, here's a link of the band performing it with the guy they ended up getting to sing for them after I told the band to go fish somewhere else...

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          • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
            @ Jeremey Thanks for the reply. I actually ended up on your wiki page.
            The singer sounds the same as Neil, but somehow different in not a good way.

            It's not a cop out or gimmick. Copy or song, it's about creating an impression in 3 minutes and/or a 1000 words or less.

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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Hill
    Does anyone know where to find one of the original "Blackie" stories? Dan Kennedy talks about these too, but so far I haven't located an original example.
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    • Profile picture of the author Zach B
      Originally Posted by Steve Hill View Post

      Does anyone know where to find one of the original "Blackie" stories? Dan Kennedy talks about these too, but so far I haven't located an original example.
      Ever have any luck with this Steve?
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      • Profile picture of the author Steve Hill
        Originally Posted by Zach B View Post

        Ever have any luck with this Steve?
        No, I'm still looking for the original 1950's Blackie story about the old gambler in his final moments passing on his winning casino secrets to the young newcomer.

        Similar stories exist about an old miner passing on the secret location of the lost mother lode with his dying breath. It's usually hidden away in some remote desert canyon, and the poor fellow has been roaming for years trying to find it again. "Gasp... wheeze... turn left at the big red rock... shaped like a... a... train... ack... my heart!" RIP.

        But if anyone happens to have an original Blackie story or knows where to find one, I'd be grateful if they could let me know.
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  • Profile picture of the author DavidG
    Nice perspective.

    Here's a line I heard once that changed everything for me...

    "Words in advertising are like the windows in a store, you must be able to look right through them, and see the product...."

    Can you guess who it is?
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    • Profile picture of the author Steve Hill
      Originally Posted by DavidG View Post

      Nice perspective.

      Here's a line I heard once that changed everything for me...

      "Words in advertising are like the windows in a store, you must be able to look right through them, and see the product...."

      Can you guess who it is?
      I think it was Eugene Schwartz that said this, in his Rodale speech.

      It's a good line...Eugene had an interesting way of conveying entire concepts in just a sentence or two.
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      • Profile picture of the author DavidG
        Originally Posted by Steve Hill View Post

        I think it was Eugene Schwartz that said this, in his Rodale speech.

        It's a good line...Eugene had an interesting way of conveying entire concepts in just a sentence or two.
        Correct!

        Yes, I always get something new when I watch this speech.

        On the curios side, have you or anybody here read Brilliance Breakthrough? (Also by Eugene, not to be confused with Breakthrough Advertising)...

        A friend showed me this book a few weeks ago and it has an interesting take on words.

        If anybody has... what's your take on it?


        David
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  • Profile picture of the author Don Grace
    Shoot just look at all the "How To Get Your Ex Back" products... straight from country right?

    Now the trick is play the record backwards... Then you can also get your house, truck, dog, kids, boots, and gun rack back! (Couldn't help it)
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  • Profile picture of the author JasonParker
    That's probably why I'm a fan of both copywriting and country music...

    Little did I know I was actually learning copywriting just by listening to some tunes.
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  • Profile picture of the author DougBarger
    Brilliant observation Sam.

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  • Profile picture of the author angiecolee
    Every time I hear "You Never Even Call My By My Name", I think of this thread. It's ridiculous and awesome at the same time.

    Stop taking over every aspect of my life, copywriting!
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  • Profile picture of the author Ray Wilson
    Music can be used not only for storytelling, but for concentration and relaxation too. Though, I find it difficult to extract story plots on the fly while listening to country.

    You have to hit pause, play, pause, play many times while writing down your ideas. Of course, remembering the lyrics when you're walking outside and letting your subconscious work on that is a good thing.

    For me instrumental music works out much better, because vocals really distract me.

    Nevertheless, this topic is a nice twist on the ordinary discussions we have here.

    Ray
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  • Profile picture of the author Dorian1
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    Thanks for sharing Sam. Never heard of learning copy this way...
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