To All The Ugly People...

by max5ty
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Lots of ideas on headlines.

Here's what I do.

I'm going to grab your attention...probably pi** you off...but you'll read the headline...then you'll continue...

"To All The Ugly People", was a headline I used for a cosmetic line.

"Hey Fat As*" - a headline I used to promote a weight loss business...they now sell franchises.

The opening copy read like this:

Look at you...

You fat pathetic pig.

You've helped spawn phrases like...

It went on from there.

I'm a copywriter/marketer...and I'm going to get your attention...then I'm going to pi** you off, then bring you down easy. By the time you're done reading my short ad, you'll be wanting what I'm selling.

I'm going to get you emotional.

Most of you suck at copywriting...you're like little lemmings that fall for every $39.95 guru. I've read your work...it's bad.

Flickering fire...or fire flicker...fire cracker...whatever...something about playing with fire.

Sales funnels or funnel cakes or something like that.

What are you thinking?

So here's some quick advice.

Forget all the BS you've heard from the "gurus".

Grab attention.

Oh, wait a minute Marcus...what about the benefits, the features, the other mumbo jumbo hoopla maniac depressive crap I've been told?

Forget it.

Get bold.

Most of the crap you've read is info from the 30's or 40's.

Be your own person...times are a changin...

...the same stuff that worked for the copywriters who were writing during the pre-computer age is obsolete now. Get it?
#people #ugly
  • Profile picture of the author Rezbi
    Originally Posted by max5ty View Post

    To All The Ugly People...

    At last!

    Someone calling out to me.
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    • Profile picture of the author max5ty
      Originally Posted by Rezbi View Post

      At last!

      Someone calling out to me.
      Ha...I actually visited your site the other day...

      I was impressed...I loved the qualifications you gave to someone wanting your services.

      I'd recommend everyone check out your stuff...I can tell you know what you're doing.
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      • Profile picture of the author NickN
        This post will surely light a fire... not that we'd expect anything less.
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        • Profile picture of the author max5ty
          Originally Posted by NickN View Post

          This post will surely light a fire... not that we'd expect anything less.
          Not sure if it will light a fire.

          Most that read this were flat broke last year...they're flat broke now...will be flat broke next year.

          Oh well, I'm thinking about trading in one of my Range Rovers for a Maserati.
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          • Profile picture of the author Rezbi
            Originally Posted by max5ty View Post

            Not sure if it will light a fire.

            Most that read this were flat broke last year...they're flat broke now...will be flat broke next year.

            Oh well, I'm thinking about trading in one of my Range Rovers for a Maserati.
            See?

            I knew you were talking to me.
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          • Profile picture of the author Robert Michael
            Originally Posted by max5ty View Post

            Not sure if it will light a fire.

            Most that read this were flat broke last year...they're flat broke now...will be flat broke next year.

            Oh well, I'm thinking about trading in one of my Range Rovers for a Maserati.
            no offense dude, but is there ONE single thread or post from you that doesnt have you trying to impress a bunch of people on a forum that you will likely NEVER meet in real life?

            nobody gives a sh*t what kind of car you have, or what you're trading it for.

            these type of remarks just make you look immature.

            EVERY SINGLE TIME i see you posting somewhere, you're bragging about what you have.

            grow up already.

            and if anyone is doubting what im saying here, feel free to stalk his post history.

            this kid just never stops...

            this thread had some good info in the original post.

            but he just couldnt stop himself from bragging (yet again) about what he has (or claims to have)

            sorry but i just call it how i see it.
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            • Profile picture of the author Marvin Johnston
              Originally Posted by Whos That Guru View Post

              no offense dude, but is there ONE single thread or post from you that doesnt have you trying to impress a bunch of people on a forum that you will likely NEVER meet in real life?
              Has anyone else noticed how one such sentence from Max5ty will almost always
              generate at least 10 times the volume that his one sentence takes up?

              Interesting bit of marketing to hot buttons.

              And the result or goal of such marketing is not always money.

              Marvin
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              • Profile picture of the author Harlan
                I don't believe a word of the original post.

                Crazy Uncle Maxie has you all running in circles.

                Ever try buying real advertising?

                You think someone would sell advertising in a newspaper or to a site that insulted people?

                Dream on.

                Produce the actual ad Uncle Maxie.
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                • Profile picture of the author The Copy Nazi
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                  Originally Posted by Harlan View Post

                  You think someone would sell advertising in a newspaper or to a site that insulted people?
                  Kelly Felix ring a bell?
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                  • Profile picture of the author Harlan
                    Originally Posted by The Copy Nazi View Post

                    Kelly Felix ring a bell?
                    Kelly Felix did not use newspapers to sell.

                    Uncle Maxie claims to be an offline dude.

                    You've never placed a newspaper ad. If they think the ad insults their readers - forget it.

                    This wasn't even a good fake by Uncle Maxie.
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                    • Profile picture of the author The Copy Nazi
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                      Originally Posted by Harlan View Post

                      Kelly Felix did not use newspapers to sell.

                      Uncle Maxie claims to be an offline dude.

                      You've never placed a newspaper ad. If they think the ad insults their readers - forget it.

                      This wasn't even a good fake by Uncle Maxie.
                      Harlan, he doesn't actually say where he used it. Could have been magazines...could have been catalogs...pulp fiction spots...inserts in a sex guide for all we know. As you know I have my doubts he's even a copywriter. He's being provocative. He wants us to get pissed. Thats where he gets his jollies. Like a troll. And we rise to the bait. But sometimes I get some ideas off his crap - just like this one. I might use this post title or a variation of it. Even if it's only in an email title.

                      I must ask Kelly if he ever ran any "Rich Jerk" press ads.

                      Oh yeah...agree with this too -
                      Most of the crap you've read is info from the 30's or 40's.

                      Be your own person...times are a changin...

                      ...the same stuff that worked for the copywriters who were writing during the pre-computer age is obsolete now. Get it?
                      I always thought the Gary Halbert advice about writing out existing ads in longhand was a waste of time. And I always had a mental picture of hundreds of dopes all over the world scribbling out the same old crap. With their tongues out over their lips like a retard writing a love letter.

                      Oh look - someone must have bought the Jerk brand and URL - http://www.therichjerk.com/

                      Maybe Max5ty - now there's a thought. Maybe he's been writing out Kelly Felix's copy in longhand.
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                      • Profile picture of the author DavidG
                        Originally Posted by The Copy Nazi View Post

                        ...I always thought the Gary Halbert advice about writing out existing ads in longhand was a waste of time. And I always had a mental picture of hundreds of dopes all over the world scribbling out the same old crap. With their tongues out over their lips like a retard writing a love letter.

                        Oh look - someone must have bought the Jerk brand and URL - Dear Loser - the Rich Jerk is Back. | I'm still rich. You're still not. Deal with it. (*new info coming soon)

                        Maybe Max5ty - now there's a thought. Maybe he's been writing out Kelly Felix's copy in longhand.
                        Damn.

                        You could prob try to sell me something, because that's exactly how I was. And still am.

                        It might be sad but meh.

                        To me it works... I get into it. I pick up ideas, concepts and sometimes I cut ideas out and glue them on index cards and stash them...

                        Come to think of it, it might be OCD. Or something similar.

                        I'm not sure.



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                  Originally Posted by Harlan View Post

                  I don't believe a word of the original post.

                  Crazy Uncle Maxie has you all running in circles.

                  Ever try buying real advertising?

                  You think someone would sell advertising in a newspaper or to a site that insulted people?

                  Dream on.

                  Produce the actual ad Uncle Maxie.
                  Yep, that never happens: "The National Enquirer"
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                  • Profile picture of the author ewenmack
                    Why You're Dumb, Sick & Broke...And How to Get...Why You're Dumb, Sick & Broke...And How to Get...

                    Why not add dumb, sick and broke to the insult?

                    Randy Gage did it in his book title.

                    And book publishers Wiley weren't afraid to take it on.

                    Wouldn't know if paid print advertising was used.

                    May of got free press with the controversy though.

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                  • Profile picture of the author Harlan
                    Originally Posted by yukon View Post

                    Yep, that never happens: "The National Enquirer"
                    You ever see an add insulting the readers calling them slobs, asses, or anything like that?

                    I rest my case.
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                    • Profile picture of the author ewenmack
                      Ted Nicholas changed a book title to

                      "Why SOB's Succeed In Business And Nice Guys Fail"

                      Changed nothing else he got a 2100% lift in response.

                      Granted it's not a direct insult to the reader,
                      but shows what poking a stick in the ribs of the reader can do.

                      Best,
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                      • Profile picture of the author Harlan
                        Guys, I'm still waiting for someone to find a successful insulting newspaper or direct mail letter.

                        You see, the list owners won't let you insult their customers.

                        Book titles aren't relevant here.

                        Uncle Maxie is laughing at you.
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                        • Profile picture of the author Marvin Johnston
                          Originally Posted by Harlan View Post

                          Guys, I'm still waiting for someone to find a successful insulting newspaper or direct mail letter.
                          I'm not sure if this is the type of insult you are talking about, but a lot of direct mail gets sent this time of year in the US where the logic insults the intelligence ... of some people.

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                        • Profile picture of the author ewenmack
                          Originally Posted by Harlan View Post

                          Guys, I'm still waiting for someone to find a successful insulting newspaper or direct mail letter.

                          You see, the list owners won't let you insult their customers.

                          Book titles aren't relevant here.

                          Uncle Maxie is laughing at you.
                          Son Of Bitches is borderline insulting...no?

                          Ted Nicholas sold his books mostly from display print ads.

                          Best,
                          Ewen
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                          • Profile picture of the author Alex Cohen
                            Gary Halbert learned his lesson in the weight loss niche with his failed "how fat are you?" radio ad. The ad failed because he made fun of fat people and they felt insulted.

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                          • Profile picture of the author Harlan
                            Originally Posted by ewenmack View Post

                            Son Of Bitches is borderline insulting...no?

                            Ted Nicholas sold his books mostly from display print ads.

                            Best,
                            Ewen
                            I have all of his print ads.

                            Dream on.

                            None of them are insulting.

                            You are confabulating.
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                            • Profile picture of the author ewenmack
                              Originally Posted by Harlan View Post

                              I have all of his print ads.

                              Dream on.

                              None of them are insulting.

                              You are confabulating.
                              Harlan, it's always going to come down to a persons criteria
                              as to what they believe is insulting.

                              Best,
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    Lol, you'll forever be known as "The Antagonist".
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    • Profile picture of the author Rezbi
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      Lol, you'll forever be know as "The Antagonist".
      "The Antagonistic Copywriter"

      Yeah. My new nick name.
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      • Profile picture of the author The Copy Nazi
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        Originally Posted by Rezbi View Post

        "The Antagonistic Copywriter"

        Yeah. My new nick name.
        He's not talking about you. He's talking about Max5ty. Obvious.
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        • Profile picture of the author Rezbi
          Originally Posted by The Copy Nazi View Post

          He's not talking about you. He's talking about Max5ty. Obvious.
          Maybe so, but I'm taking it.

          So there.
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    Great message here...definitely not the "know me like me trust me buy from me" route, but whatever works!
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  • Profile picture of the author The Copy Nazi
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    Crikey...what's this place coming to? The Copy Nazi agreeing with the high-flying, Bentley-driving Max5ty? Good post. Very good post.
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      Originally Posted by The Copy Nazi View Post

      Crikey...what's this place coming to? The Copy Nazi agreeing with the high-flying, Bentley-driving Max5ty? Good post. Very good post.
      Thanks Mal.

      Anyone that knows anything about the copywriting world, knows you're one of the "Super Stars".

      You definitely know how to write the good stuff that makes your clients some serious cash.
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      • Profile picture of the author The Copy Nazi
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        Originally Posted by max5ty View Post

        Thanks Mal.

        Anyone that knows anything about the copywriting world, knows you're one of the "Super Stars".

        You definitely know how to write the good stuff that makes your clients some serious cash.
        "Super Star"? Hardly. I'm just a working stiff plying his trade. Otherwise I'd be swanning around in a Bentley and flying a Citation.

        But posts like this one of yours help all of us.

        "You're only as good as your last hit"

        or to put it another way...

        "Don't look back...somebody might be catching up"

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  • Profile picture of the author WinstonTian
    Originally Posted by max5ty View Post

    I'm going to grab your attention...probably pi** you off...but you'll read the headline...then you'll continue...

    [...]

    I'm going to get you emotional.

    [...]

    Be your own person...times are a changin...

    ...the same stuff that worked for the copywriters who were writing during the pre-computer age are obsolete now. Get it?
    I can't figure you out, and I probably don't want to - you do
    give awesome value in your posts...

    Great post on a good copy theme.

    This is one of the best ways to capture attention - trigger
    their flight or fight neuropattern.

    The more "present" the prospect feels with respect to time,
    the more relevant your words are going to be to the reader.

    That's why personalization, rapport and all of that work
    really well in stimulating the Reticular Activation System...

    Not to mention stories - just amazing what a good storyteller
    can do to your brain.

    Still the classic AIDA principle. Definitely reminiscent of RJ

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    Headline really got me.
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  • Profile picture of the author Don Grace
    Good stuff... The times I've used this approach have been some of my highest converters. What sucks is when you have a client that wants you to tone it down because they're afraid of offending people.
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    • Profile picture of the author RickDuris
      My favorite example of this copy strategy is the Mark Stevens' book title: "Your Marketing Sucks".

      - Rick Duris
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Pescetti
    If you know what people's hot buttons are (i.e. their deepest insecurities,) you can definitely go after them and guarantee your copy will get read.

    However...

    When you unsuccessfully trigger people's shame, it can really damage a company's brand and reputation.

    A good place to test these types of approaches are in your email sequences or squeeze/landing pages.

    Just make sure you're efficient in going from the antagonist - to someone who genuinely cares and wants to HELP your prospects achieve their goals (and overcome their demons.)

    Here are a few emails titles I've used (in weight loss and the financial markets

    "Did you know you're completely full of sh!t?!?!" (I brought this one around to bloat and toxicity.)

    "You're so bad at making money, you can't even afford to buy your kids Christmas gifts!" (I was exploiding people's fears that they won't get their financial sh!t together in time for the holidays, then used my solution as the one and only answer.)

    My favorite one:

    "Stop pretending you're actually going to change... because you're not!"

    A good generic one is:

    "You should feel horrible about yourself..."

    Or...

    "It's all your fault..."

    Again though...

    You have to sell these types of approaches to people who are putting their brand names on the line.

    Mark
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    Are you a Rich Jerk?

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  • Profile picture of the author maximus242
    Oh yea this is really new information, its only the same formula that has been around for 200 years.

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    Maybe a light flicked on in your head and u figured out A stands for attention? OooOOooO Lets listen to the wise guru who says, hey dont listen to the gurus! U have to get attention!

    Yea... what u really meant was lets give the exact same advice thats been given for a couple hundred years and call it new.

    And yes lets stop selling benefits because those dont work at all. People buy Rolexs for $20,000 because it tells the time slightly better than the $20 watch, it has nothing to do with prestige, power, glory or sex.
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  • Profile picture of the author MaxReferrals
    Originally Posted by max5ty View Post

    Lots of ideas on headlines.

    Flickering fire...or fire flicker...fire cracker...whatever...something about playing with fire.
    How about fire watcher, mate? lol
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    Good thinking there. This will catch more eyes than the normal sales pitch thingy
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  • Profile picture of the author max5ty
    I appreciate the comments...both good and bad.

    There's some top notch copywriters in this forum...they all have their own way of doing things. If the approach I use isn't your thing, I understand. Some of the approach others use is not my thing. We all have our "thing".

    Anyways...

    As some of you know, I started out in car sales.

    If you've ever done sales in a place where you're competing with 50 other sales people, you know it's a highly competitive atmosphere.

    The first month there I outsold everyone. Talk about "coming unglued", there were salesmen that had been there 20 years or more...lots of them said I was just lucky and couldn't do it again. The next month I even sold more. I eventually broke every record that had ever been set.

    I had my own way of doing things. Others said, "You can't do that". Oh yes I can...and I did.

    6 months later I was promoted to sales manager. Some of the "old timers" were so pi**ed they left. I wasn't upset. I replaced them with some go-getters.

    I'm telling you this because I want you to understand that the way things have always been done is not always the best way. You need to be open minded. There were a couple other sales managers in other stores that were outselling my team. Did I hate them or get upset? No...I became friends with them and started using some of their tactics. It's all about learning...we should never stop learning.

    Take a little bit from everywhere you can find it...try it...if you like it, use it. Copywriting isn't a hard science, there's a lot of twists and turns.

    The important thing is that you're successful.
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    • Profile picture of the author The Copy Nazi
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      Originally Posted by max5ty View Post

      As some of you know, I started out in car sales.
      Interesting. I didn't start out in car sales...but I worked as a salesman for a Volkswagen/Audi franchise for 3 months and was the top salesman every month.

      My approach was to be completely honest. With Audi I'd say "Too expensive for what you get really. You're paying for the badge. Service and parts will cost you. Insurance is higher than other cars. But it is German - and you know how well they make cars - think of Mercedes-Benz, Porsche - and yes even Volkswagen.".

      With the Volkswagen Golf I might say "Got "Car of the Year" but I don't know why really. It's just a box on wheels. Not a lot of room in the boot. The seats aren't the greatest. Blah blah blah".

      People were so used to the car salesman telling blatant lies that I was a breath of fresh air.

      I learnt I few little psychological tricks from the old-school salesmen. The cry would go up from the office "Heads on the lot!" - which meant there were potential buyers looking at the cars.

      Probably nine times out of ten when you approached them they'd say "Just looking". Which meant "leave me alone I don't want to be pressured". So your first job was to qualify them. What are they looking for? Which led to a conversation about the old shitter they wanted to trade in. That's really why they're there - to see what their trade-in is worth.

      So the trick I learnt was to say "Come in to the office and we'll see what your trade-in is worth". You'd spin on your heels...ignore their protests of "But I'm not ready to buy yet"..."I'm just looking"..."I don't have time at the moment" - whatever it is...and walk back to your office - without stopping - without looking back to see if they're following you.

      Back in the office I'd count to myself - "One Mississippi...two Mississippi...three Mississippi..."

      And sure enough 9 times out of 10 the "head" would indeed follow you into the office - where you had a much better chance of closing the deal.

      Why would they follow you? People don't like to be rude. They'd follow...protesting that they were not ready to buy...and you'd close probably a good half of them.

      There's a couple of marketers I can think of off the top of my head who are ex-car salesmen. Frank Kern and Mike Filsaime. Know any others?
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  • Profile picture of the author JakeDaly
    Hey Max, why'd you buy more than one Range Rover to begin with?

    I just got back from Bocas del Toro - beautiful, and the Panamanian government is taking steps to keep it that way.. despite the influx of foreign investment and expats. I suggest you buy a home there.
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  • Just on the insulting bit.

    Yes, you can take the risk and insult your prospects - might work, has worked, could crash.

    Or...

    Insult your prospects enemies - does work, has always worked, never crashed.


    Steve
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    • Profile picture of the author The Copy Nazi
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      Originally Posted by Steve The Copywriter View Post

      Just on the insulting bit.

      Yes, you can take the risk and insult your prospect - might work, has worked, could crash.

      Or...

      Insult the prospects enemies - does work, has always worked, never crashed.


      Steve
      Whats that saying? Something about "if you help people throw stones at their enemies...reaffirm their beliefs" etc

      oh yeah (Thanks Google) -
      People will do anything for those who encourage their dreams, justify their failures, allay their fears, confirm their suspicions and help them throw rocks at their enemies.
      I used to have that pinned up on my wall to help me write copy. Must put it back up.
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  • Profile picture of the author max5ty
    Interesting post Mal.

    The things someone can learn from face to face selling are amazing.

    The "I'm just looking", is usually always the first objection the customer raises. "I don't have time", "What's the trade worth?", "How much will the payments be?", "How low can I get the car", "I need to think about it". Sales is all about overcoming objections...same way with copywriting/marketing. Once you overcome the objections, you've got the sale.

    Even the car business is changing...many now do their research on the internet before they ever walk on the lot. Most dealerships have their own internet department...the traffic they can generate is phenomenal.

    On a side note: Today's the big election in the U.S. Billions have been spent on advertising. Negative ads, positive ads, funny ads, sad ads, good ads, bad ads. Everyone that ran ads will see if the approach they used paid off or not.
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  • Profile picture of the author The Marketeer
    Great thread. Sure got my attention.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ronak Shah
    After reading the 'insulting ugly' ad, this is the virtual conversation you may find a customer having with the copywriter.

    Customer : Oh you're such a witch! You call me ugly... bad bad... very bad!

    Copywriter: I'm not ugly... I'm very ugly because only things that are very ugly sells quickly. Example: fashion, condoms, cosmetics & copywriters.

    Manipulation sells. You manipulate, you sell... that's because there are loop holes.

    LOL ROFL.

    No wonder Seth Godin puts it right, marketers are the biggest liars.
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    Uncle Maxie (real name Bill)...

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