How To Make Money Off Copywriting?

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I'm going to try and become an expert in copywriting in 30 days. I'm leaving my website and other projects to one side for the time being as well.

Is copywriting a good source of income?
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  • Profile picture of the author Don Grace
    Good luck with that one Captain. Yes, the income is great... You have ZERO experience and think it only takes thirty days to learn, and then land high paying clients!!! Alrighty then... how exactly do you plan on doing this? Keep us posted.
  • Profile picture of the author Raydal
    You have an ambitious plan. You can read a lot of copywriting
    books and information in 30 days but you learn by DOING
    and that is the tough part time-wise. Copywriting is not
    just knowledge but a skill you develop.

    Great to have a plan anyway. Most people don't.

    -Ray Edwards
  • Profile picture of the author TheSalesBooster
    Well from what I've seen posted around here you should easily be able to learn enough copywriting in 30 days to charge $150. If it sucks you can just tell people you tried hard and you're learning...

    :rolleyes:
  • Profile picture of the author Alex Cohen
    Have you ever noticed? When someone sets an aggressive goal, the "You-Can't-Do-That!" crowd rushes in and tries to crush your dream.

    Thankfully, you don't need the permission of others to succeed.

    The fact is, you CAN do it.

    PM me if you need further encouragement or tips on how to accomplish your goal.

    Alex
  • Profile picture of the author Michael Foze
    Originally Posted by Don Grace View Post

    Good luck with that one Captain. Yes, the income is great... You have ZERO experience and think it only takes thirty days to learn, and then land high paying clients!!! Alrighty then... how exactly do you plan on doing this? Keep us posted.

    I believe you can learn anything to do with Internet Marketing from scratch within 30 days and earn some kind of money. I didn't say high paying yet though as that obviously takes more time. Any type of client will be good as I'm making no real money right now.
  • Profile picture of the author Micah Medina
    I'm going to send you a very short PM with some ideas you can implement. Obviously, your time and talent level is going to have an impact on how well you implement these ideas.
  • Profile picture of the author JasonParker
    Originally Posted by Alex Cohen View Post

    Have you ever noticed? When someone sets an aggressive goal, the "You-Can't-Do-That!" crowd rushes in and tries to crush your dream.

    Thankfully, you don't need the permission of others to succeed.

    The fact is, you CAN do it.

    PM me if you need further encouragement or tips on how to accomplish your goal.

    Alex
    Yep, good thing copywriting is based on results and not opinions. I say go for the glory! But you don't need my approval either.
  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Scott
    Originally Posted by Alex Cohen View Post

    Have you ever noticed? When someone sets an aggressive goal, the "You-Can't-Do-That!" crowd rushes in and tries to crush your dream.

    Thankfully, you don't need the permission of others to succeed.

    The fact is, you CAN do it.

    PM me if you need further encouragement or tips on how to accomplish your goal.

    Alex
    There's a difference between aggressive and foolishly unrealistic. I'll let you guess which this is.

    OP, writing good copy is an art and takes damn hard work. Just like you don't get a physique like yours in a month of hitting the gym, you don't become an expert copywriter in 30 days.

    Now, I'm all for positive thinking and overcoming limiting beliefs. But it's obvious you're only in this for the money, which is the worst way to approach this discipline.

    Writing copy is not an easy job, unless you're crazy talented or are in love with it. There are easier fields to go into (generating traffic as an affiliate, for example).

    If you love copy and want to know everything about it, go nuts. But seeing as I can tell from your post this isn't the case, I'd advise against it, for your own sake.

    -Daniel
  • Profile picture of the author RickDuris
    The first letter I wrote with the specific intention of making a sale, I made $15,000.

    You can do it. You absolutely can.

    - Rick Duris
  • Profile picture of the author Mark Andrews
    Not to pour cold water on your ambition...

    Daniel is right however.

    Yes you can learn a great deal about copywriting in 30 days.

    Yes you can achieve success in copywriting in 30 days.

    But no, you won't become an expert in 30 days.

    All of the top guys here are learning about copywriting all the time.

    Each of them have put into their craft well in excess of 10,000 hours. In many cases decades of their time.

    This isn't a business where you can start from scratch to go on to become an expert in 30 days - period.

    A year maybe. If you devote every single waking hour to learning everything you can about this business.

    Most likely though a minimum of two years at least. Not part time hours mind you. I'm talking full time hours, literally from the second you wake up in the morning, until the second you go to sleep 7 days a week, month in, month out.

    Then you might, with the emphasis being on might - you might become an expert copywriter but please don't bank on it.

    There is no push button easy solution to learning how to become an expert in copywriting.

    There are no shortcuts.

    If you want to truly become a knowledgeable expert in copywriting, you're going to have to pull out every stop possible for at least the next year or two to even remotely, to even possibly make this happen.

    This is not to say you cannot become a damn good copywriter in a much shorter period of time. Anything is possible.

    I just don't believe you should delude yourself too quickly or set for yourself unrealistic unattainable goals at the beginning of the process to become a respected copywriter in your own right.

    Good luck in your endeavor!

    Smoking hot,


    Mark Andrews
  • Profile picture of the author fated82
    Its all about how determine you are to succeed. I started my copywriting firm in June with zero experience and never once worked in a creative or advertising agency. I learnt everything from scratch.

    Its also about how you sell yourself. My first deal came a week after I told my biz contacts that I am running a copywriting firm. I charged $1,500 for that deal, a 5 page web content. 6 months down, I estimated my average deal to be $2000 and above.

    Start by selling yourself, your service. Meet with as many prospect as possible and learn what makes people buy. If you can sell, you can write copy because essentially, it's all about selling in print.

    Someone once told me:"learn how to sell, because if you can sell, you can sell anything".
  • Profile picture of the author CopyCloser
    By all means, go for it! Copywriting, like any soft skill, relies much more on innate talent than those who sell high priced courses would care to admit. I promise you that after just 30 days, Halbert and Bencivenga churned out copy that would outperform that of 99% of writers with 10,000 hours of experience. The only way to find out if you're a natural is to give it a shot yourself!

    My first copy project was a space ad in a local paper, written 12 years ago. It outperformed the previous one, which was created by a highly regarded agency, by a significant margin. My only training was a copy of Dan Kennedy's "The Ultimate Sales Letter." and Caples "Tested Advertising Methods." I've had my share of bombs since then, but that first success was all it took to launch my career.

    All the best!
  • Profile picture of the author marciayudkin
    You can learn enough about copywriting in 30 days to make money at it, whether you're writing copy for yourself or for an unsophisticated client.

    But to become an expert, no. That's a ridiculous overreach.

    If you can't play the guitar now, do you think you can match the greats by practicing your fingers off for 30 days?

    If you can't run a mile now, would you expect to be able to run a marathon in 30 days?

    If you can't speak French now at all, do you think you would be able to give a speech in French in 30 days?

    Learning just doesn't work like this. Mastery takes time.

    You can be realistic and ambitious at the same time. That's what I recommend.

    Marcia Yudkin
  • Profile picture of the author RickDuris
    Being an expert is overrated. Akin to being "facile with words."

    - Rick Duris
  • Profile picture of the author Rezbi
    As Marcia said, you can make money in copywriting in 30 days. Just don't expect to become an A-list writer.

    However, I always say reach for the sky. Then if you only reach the top of the mountain you've still achieved something.

    Most people only aim for the mountain and are lucky to reach the first floor of a building.

    It's hard work. And most people don't want to do it.

    When I took on a coach at the beginning of my copywriting career, he gave me a task to do on the first day:

    That task was to write out three long form sales letters, thrice each, by the time we spoke the next day. These letters were around 15 pages each. Tightly packed.

    When he asked me the next day if I'd done it, I said I did. And it was true.

    I sat down and wrote and wrote and wrote, until I finished the task.

    I had cramps in my fingers several times. But I didn't give up.

    And you know what?

    He was surprised. He actually asked, "Really?"

    I knew then others don't. Or at least, the majority don't.

    I also did the Gary Halbert course he held in 1996. (No, I wasn't there. I wish I was).

    I did the course at home.

    I set everything up: CD player, desk, plenty of writing paper and pens.

    I did that course from morning till night each day.

    I finished in three days.

    And I've done this with plenty of other courses.

    And in a very short time, I've had some positive comments from some of the best marketers and copywriters in the world...

    And made some decent cash with my copy.

    My rates for writing?

    Not always the same, but very decent.

    So go for it.

    Give it your best shot.

    Very least you can do is be better than you are now.
  • Profile picture of the author Steve The Copywriter
    You have to start or nothing will happen.

    Give it your maximum effort.

    But just so you know - a great copywriting education costs a lot of money and takes time. Even if you're fantastically gifted you'll still need to know a huge range of techniques.

    And you can only get them by buying and studying all the best material.

    I quickly added up the costs of all my books, courses, cd's and dvd's as well as all the seminars over the years and the grand total is well over $130,000.

    And I still buy more stuff.

    So...

    Starting from scratch you learn the "basics" in a month.

    Find a client and write them some copy.

    6, 12, 18 months later that copy would now be dramatically better.

    5, 10, 15 years later it'll be phenomenal.

    So, the kicker question is - what's your income going to be like when you're a beginner?

    And the answer is - it gets higher as you get better.

    To be realistic, it's not a get rich quick business.

    It's more of a lifetime passion.


    Steve
  • Profile picture of the author MikeHumphreys
    Originally Posted by Michael Foze View Post

    I'm going to try and become an expert in copywriting in 30 days. I'm leaving my website and other projects to one side for the time being as well.

    Is copywriting a good source of income?
    If you're starting from zero background in copywriting, then it's going to be tough to reach expert level in 30 days. Experience-wise, you'll need more than 30 days to get there.

    I went from 0 clients to full-time in 6 weeks when I started my copywriting business BUT I had already been studying and writing copy for 13 years at that point. So I already had a pretty deep foundation of knowledge and experience when I opted to hang my copywriting shingle.

    Anyways... I say go for it and keep challenging yourself to get better in every facet of the game everyday.

    Good luck,

    Mike
  • Profile picture of the author Michael Foze
    Originally Posted by Steve The Copywriter View Post

    You have to start or nothing will happen.

    Give it your maximum effort.

    But just so you know - a great copywriting education costs a lot of money and takes time. Even if you're fantastically gifted you'll still need to know a huge range of techniques.

    And you can only get them by buying and studying all the best material.

    I quickly added up the costs of all my books, courses, cd's and dvd's as well as all the seminars over the years and the grand total is well over $130,000.

    And I still buy more stuff.

    So...

    Starting from scratch you learn the "basics" in a month.

    Find a client and write them some copy.

    6, 12, 18 months later that copy would now be dramatically better.

    5, 10, 15 years later it'll be phenomenal.

    So, the kicker question is - what's your income going to be like when you're a beginner?

    And the answer is - it gets higher as you get better.

    To be realistic, it's not a get rich quick business.

    It's more of a lifetime passion.


    Steve
    130k?!!?

    Have you earned that back in clients?
  • Profile picture of the author Don Grace
    Michael,

    I can't speak for Steve but I bet the answer is yes.

    I can however speak for myself... I have also spent right around the exact same number over the last eight years. And I still buy stuff just as he does. And in doing so I've made that back many many many many times from clients.

    Your response seems to indicate you might be apprehensive about spending money to educate yourself. If you want to become a master, don't skimp on education.

    Just so you know, my intent in my earlier post was not to pee in your Cheerios. It's great to have goals and go for it. But when I hear the word "expert" that means you would have the ability to charge what many of us here do. If after 30 days you cannot, don't quit, keep going, and re-evaluate how to get there.

    Hell, the letter I wrote last week I charged 10k for and I do not call myself an expert compared to the guys who command 30k per letter. We're a crazy bunch (speaking for myself) and it takes a special breed to do this stuff.

    We always keep learning and growing and we're nut's enough to love what we do.
  • Profile picture of the author Steve The Copywriter
    Michael,

    I've been in the wonderful world of copywriting for a while (28 years) so yes, it's been a fabulous investment.


    Steve

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