The Secret to Writing Converting Copy

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Here on the copywriting forum, we talk a lot about putting ourselves in prospect's shoes.

That's something you've absolutely got to do.

Mark Andrews brought up empathy in a recent post.

And yes...

Feeling empathetic to people's circumstances is something you've absolutely got to do.

Research is crucial.

The amount of ah-ha moments you'll get when you look at the competition's copy...

...and read expert books about your niche (especially when there's a steep learning curve) will give you the practical knowledge you need to come up with original hooks and positioning.

But are those essential aspects enough to write copy that truly, unabashedly resonates with prospects and compels them to buy?

No.

Trying to identify with your prospects isn't enough.

It's too cerebral.

And researching is meant to help you become the expert - so you don't come across like a jabroni.

You've got to become your prospect (in your pursuit to intimately understand their thought process and interrupt their pain with your solution.)

You need to viscerally experience his or her real, everyday worries, hopes, fears and desire for help.

How?

Well...

For one, it helps to take on projects that you really connect with.

For instance...

I'm working on a supplement sales letter.

And it's very easy for me to connect with the ideal prospect's experience because it is something I personally go through and need a solution for.

It's natural for me to reveal the consequences of dealing with a body that doesn't constantly support me in living my life to its fullest...

... including struggling with work and not being present in my relationships when I'm unwell.

When a potential client approaches me...

The first thing I ask myself is:
Is this an experience I've had... and would I want this solution?

If I'm not sure, it's a no.

I only pursue talking with potential clients who stimulate emotion inside of me.

I need to feel the excitement for their solution - because of knowing its value from my own experience.

Does that make sense?

Look...

We all have different circumstances.

Stop.

Really take a look at where you experience hardships in your own life.

The secret to writing converting copy, especially when you're in your first 5 years of being a professional product or service slinger, is to take on projects that resonate with YOUR experience.

Then...

You have to be willing to dive into your own emotions and agitate your own pain to really start sincerely connecting with prospects.

In other words...

Your unique life experience is an asset to prospects who sell solutions that match your own needs, wants and desires.

Take the time to know what those "assets" are.

Those assets will tell you the people you'll help the most.

Mark Pescetti

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Yup, I'm writing this dribble on Christmas.
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  • Profile picture of the author videolover7
    You need to viscerally experience his or her real, everyday worries, hopes, fears and desire for help.
    Nonsense.

    If copywriters held themselves to that standard, 90% of the successful copy that's ever been written wouldn't have seen the light of day.

    VL
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    • Profile picture of the author Mark Andrews
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      Originally Posted by videolover7 View Post


      Nonsense.

      If copywriters held themselves to that standard, 90% of the successful copy that's ever been written wouldn't have seen the light of day.

      VL
      So lets see you write the opposite argument then to support your case that this is nonsense rather than just stating this to be the case.


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    • Profile picture of the author Mark Pescetti
      Originally Posted by videolover7 View Post

      Nonsense.

      If copywriters held themselves to that standard, 90% of the successful copy that's ever been written wouldn't have seen the light of day.

      VL
      So...

      You're saying it's wrong to sell the things you're passionate about?

      Really?

      Sure...

      I could sell the hell out of anything from an asinine Caloric Intake Restriction Diet to an IT Solution.

      But why should I take on projects that don't excite me (or even deplete me) - when if I market myself correctly...

      ...I'll have the top entrepreneurs coming to me with the option of taking on their projects and choosing the ones I want?

      Likewise...

      How many copywriters burn themselves out by taking on projects just for the money?

      Nope.

      If copywriters followed my advice, newbies & veterans alike, we'd see more successful copy see the light of day.

      Mark

      P.S. By the way... You'll notice I didn't say you have to be an expert on something to take it on. The project I'm working on right now was difficult for me to fully comprehend 3 weeks ago. Now I'm confident I'll ensure my client absolutely OWNS the market with the copy I'm writing. The fact that I'm passionate about the gig made it FUN to dredge through the intense scientific studies - so I could develop a deeper understanding of the human body and sell the hell out of this amazing solution.

      I wouldn't even want to imagine what it would feel like to read so many books and commit myself to so much research - if I wasn't personally interested in the information.
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  • Profile picture of the author ewenmack
    Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill View Post

    Here's the secret:

    Three shots of bourbon and a little ZZ Top in the background.

    Let's get real here.
    Gotta be LEGS.

    Best,
    Ewen
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      Originally Posted by ewenmack View Post

      Gotta be LEGS.

      Best,
      Ewen
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    • Profile picture of the author angiecolee
      Originally Posted by ewenmack View Post

      Gotta be LEGS.

      Best,
      Ewen
      I prefer Tush, personally.
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      • Profile picture of the author ewenmack
        Originally Posted by angiecolee View Post

        I prefer Tush, personally.
        Anybody's in particular?

        Best,
        Ewen
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        • Profile picture of the author angiecolee
          Originally Posted by ewenmack View Post

          Anybody's in particular?

          Best,
          Ewen
          LOL I don't have my eyes on anyone's in particular at the moment. This song is fun to sing with the band though - really gets the crowd going!
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      • Profile picture of the author BrianMcLeod
        Originally Posted by angiecolee View Post

        I prefer Tush, personally.
        Anything off Deguello - my holy grail of tubey good tone and what I consider Rev. Gibbons at the pinnacle moment of his geetar greatness.
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  • Profile picture of the author angiecolee
    Also, sorry for hijacking your thread, Mark. Haha!

    I agree and disagree. I find that empathy does well for my writing. Being able to write from first-hand experience is really amazing and brings it home for my readers, I've found. But I'm decent at writing as if I've experienced what the reader has experienced - good imagination helps
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    • Profile picture of the author Enfusia
      I find my best copy comes down to three things

      1. Solve a problem

      2. Stir and bring to the surface an emotion

      3. Create a desire

      When I do those three things my copy converts. Long copy short copy, article or classified ad, makes no difference. When those elements are there I win.

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    • Profile picture of the author Mark Pescetti
      Originally Posted by angiecolee View Post

      Also, sorry for hijacking your thread, Mark. Haha!

      I agree and disagree. I find that empathy does well for my writing. Being able to write from first-hand experience is really amazing and brings it home for my readers, I've found. But I'm decent at writing as if I've experienced what the reader has experienced - good imagination helps
      Look at it like this Angie.

      When you really feel passionate about a product; a market; a subject...

      ...you have the ability to add to the passion your clients feel.

      How many times have you talked with a potential client on the phone and gotten a gig because he or she felt how strongly you connected with their vision?

      As sales writers...

      We might have the ability to sell, anything.

      But it's where we feel the most passion that we should be focusing our talents.

      One man's opinion.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mark Andrews
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        When I meet with business owners I tend to ask them some fairly simple questions at the start of the conversation i.e. who is your ideal customer? What is their pain, what causes them to contact you to seek out a solution to the problem going through their mind? What do they believe you can do for them that nobody else can?

        At this point the person I'm talking to is usually fairly curious about what I do and will ask the question, what is it you do exactly Mark?

        So I tell them, I'm a business growth expert that is I help businesses large and small with their marketing to acquire more custom both on and off line. Their interest now piqued, I'll typically just steer the conversation in any which way I choose.

        The key here is to ask them (depending on the situation) plenty of questions. And keep them simple.

        Don't be tempted to waffle off into marketing language which goes straight over the top of their heads. Express a genuine interest in what they do, remember their business is their 'baby', what they're usually highly passionate about.

        They've invested a great deal of emotional turmoil into their business, blood, sweat and tears, not to mention possibly many sleepless nights trying to get their business well established in their niche.

        When you ask them these questions and they reply, listen carefully to what they're telling you. Quite often the answers they give will be on their points of pain, things which cause them the most headaches. These are the questions running through their own mind to which they're seeking the best remedy to, but often don't know who exactly to approach for the best answer.

        Once you've built up a good rapport with them and they've seen your own passion for your business come shining through your spoken words, they'll perceive you to be a friend, an expert they can rely on for further help and advice.

        Even if you don't close them immediately on a deal, make sure to exchange business cards or contact details and you can follow up with these prospects later by your preferred channel of communication.

        The key is be passionate about what you know best. What you know you can bring to the table in order to help them with their current problems.

        Everyone wants more business. Everyone wants a bigger slice of the business pie. Everyone in business has an ambition and drive to make things happen. Everyone in business for any length of time desires more on the ball marketing knowledge to expand or leverage growth.

        Through empathy, excitement and passion for what you know you do best, you'll be positioning yourself in a situation to help these business owners out directly by helping them to achieve their own business interests.

        Smoking hot,


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      • Profile picture of the author ERPLeadsWriter
        Originally Posted by Mark Pescetti View Post

        As sales writers...

        We might have the ability to sell, anything.

        But it's where we feel the most passion that we should be focusing our talents.

        One man's opinion.
        Well some of us here do not exactly have the luxury to prioritize passion over a more realistic approach to writing for business. I'd rather try to balance them both to keep them from conflicting (and save myself a small crisis ).

        Don't get me wrong, I agree that writing from personal experience does give you an edge that you can really feel. I just think it's rather restrictive too if it's the only thing you want to devote your skills towards.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mark Pescetti
          Originally Posted by ERPLeadsWriter View Post

          Well some of us here do not exactly have the luxury to prioritize passion over a more realistic approach to writing for business. I'd rather try to balance them both to keep them from conflicting (and save myself a small crisis ).

          Don't get me wrong, I agree that writing from personal experience does give you an edge that you can really feel. I just think it's rather restrictive too if it's the only thing you want to devote your skills towards.
          You do actually.

          Have the luxury, I mean.

          Any good copywriter will know how to position his or her "slot machine" (i.e. business) in front of and for the right eyes.

          It all starts with knowing who your ideal client is.

          It doesn't even have to be in a particular niche.

          Sometimes the business owner is the key for you to write your best, converting copy.

          Who is that person?

          What does this client bring to the table that lights a fire under your ass?

          How much compensation do you need to feel appreciated - so you always go all out?

          Gotta ask the questions.

          Don't give me that whole, "There's not enough business. You've got to take whatever comes" BS.

          Do the internal work and reflect it in your copy.

          That's how truly dynamic, long-lasting, collaborative business relationships are made.

          Is it easy?

          Come on now...

          How badly do you want to bloody enjoy your work AND create spectacular results for real solution-creators?

          Mark
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          • Profile picture of the author Steve Hill
            Originally Posted by Mark Pescetti View Post

            How badly do you want to bloody enjoy your work AND create spectacular results for real solution-creators?
            And all along I've been under the impression that very best copywriters were like chameleons, able to adapt to any market, knowing how to really research and understand any market in order to create excellent copy that really converts - and being handsomely compensated for it.

            Maybe they really are good at being chameleons. For example, I'd be surprised if Carline A-C is completely fascinated with internal medicine and colon health issues, but she does pretty well at cranking out winning controls for them.

            It's certainly understandable how picking a niche of personal interest can make the work far more enjoyable in the long run, but this posting did make me wonder what proportion of copywriters are working in less-interesting areas simply because of the demand?
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      • Profile picture of the author angiecolee
        Originally Posted by Mark Pescetti View Post

        Look at it like this Angie.

        When you really feel passionate about a product; a market; a subject...

        ...you have the ability to add to the passion your clients feel.

        How many times have you talked with a potential client on the phone and gotten a gig because he or she felt how strongly you connected with their vision?

        As sales writers...

        We might have the ability to sell, anything.

        But it's where we feel the most passion that we should be focusing our talents.

        One man's opinion.
        That's the part I agree with you on

        But I can also make money in areas where I don't feel quite so passionately, so long as I can find something interesting or accurately put myself in my target customer's shoes. I love the areas I work in and find them infinitely fascinating, but if I never took another gig outside those fields, I might miss out on an opportunity to get passionate about an as yet unknown field

        No, I'm not a generalist, before you ask LOL.
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        • Profile picture of the author ERPLeadsWriter
          Originally Posted by angiecolee View Post

          But I can also make money in areas where I don't feel quite so passionately, so long as I can find something interesting or accurately put myself in my target customer's shoes. I love the areas I work in and find them infinitely fascinating, but if I never took another gig outside those fields, I might miss out on an opportunity to get passionate about an as yet unknown field
          I was about to get back with a similar reply but you beat me to it.

          I do the same thing when I'm asked to write something extra for another industry. That in itself makes this work fun. You get to learn about a lot of things. Maybe you don't learn on a deep, master's degree level but you're still challenged to keep learning nonetheless.
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          • Profile picture of the author Mark Pescetti
            Originally Posted by ERPLeadsWriter View Post

            I was about to get back with a similar reply but you beat me to it.

            I do the same thing when I'm asked to write something extra for another industry. That in itself makes this work fun. You get to learn about a lot of things. Maybe you don't learn on a deep, master's degree level but you're still challenged to keep learning nonetheless.
            Some people's minds are geared towards constantly learning new things.

            And copywriting can certainly facilitate that (if you're down for it.)

            I've written my fair share of copy for products that had a steep learning curve...

            ...and some of them were gigs I REALLY enjoyed on multiple levels.

            I'll tell you what the key is:

            Working with passionate business owners who pay you well.

            After all...

            If you're working with someone who doesn't absolutely love what they do and feel passionate about positively affecting people's lives, what's the point of taking on a project?

            Likewise...

            Copywriting is one of the few fields where you can actually get paid (and paid well) for learning new, potentially valuable information.

            Screw school.

            Become a copywriter.

            Again though...

            You have to be paid well.

            Otherwise...

            You're spending way to much time on something that's killing your own bottom line.

            Mark
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  • Profile picture of the author Marvin Johnston
    Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill View Post

    Here's the secret:

    Three shots of bourbon and a little ZZ Top in the background.

    Let's get real here.
    You might be in good company with your approach:

    http://www.warriorforum.com/copywrit...opywriter.html

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  • Profile picture of the author copyassassin
    Originally Posted by Mark Pescetti View Post


    You’ve got to become your prospect (in your pursuit to intimately understand their thought process and interrupt their pain with your solution.)
    Mark,

    Your commement reminded me of the gym rat who purposely got fat, and then tried to lose the weight to idenitify with his clients.

    Welcome Home


    You've probably heard about this, but other might really get enlighted by reading the guys story.

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  • Profile picture of the author Corey Geer
    Maybe it's because I'm young but am I the only one that prefers some upbeat techno in the background?

    As far as converting goes, I'm fascinated with psychology and why people make the conscious decision to purchase things.

    I know why I first purchased one of the very few eBooks I've ever purchased in my entire life. The Rich Jerk.

    His copy was written from the perspective of some snobby ass who could care less about your situation and that he was better than you. It was such an interesting spin and so different than everyone else telling you "It's My Turn To Show You!" etc.
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    • Profile picture of the author Matt Ausin
      Originally Posted by Corey Geer View Post

      Maybe it's because I'm young but am I the only one that prefers some upbeat techno in the background?
      No, it's not that. Others have better musical taste is all.

      Sorry, you kinda walked into this one
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