My First 600 Words Are Garbage!

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Is this just a trademark of all copywriters as they are starting to develop their craft?

It never fails that the first 600 words or so of every sales letter I've written end up being complete crap!

When I look at a first draft, it's almost become habit now for me to just uncap my Sharpie and reflexively cross a big X through the first page...

I look and say...well - why is I didn't get to what NEEDS to be said until all the way down HERE?! Then suddenly, after scribbling through all the fluff, I've got a natural deck that flows from the headline and the lead in, making it obvious that's where the letter should have started the entire time.

How much more time will I have to spend writing an opening full of fluff and "so what" copy before I start banging out killer openers right from the get-go?

Or is it always like that for some writers as part of the "process" to kind of warm up the writing until the right things begin to click?

Because if I could skip that fluff and get right to the meat right off the bat it would save me a lot of time!
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  • Profile picture of the author Pusateri
    I still do that. About half the time I end up killing my first two paragraphs.

    Would probably be a lot closer to 600 words if I wasn't always writing on a subject I know intimately.

    Just think of it as the warm-up and allow time for it.
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  • Profile picture of the author angiecolee
    Depends on the topic at hand - if it's something I either know really well or something I'm passionate about, the words flow. Even if the first 600 don't work as the FIRST 600, I can usually find somewhere to stick those thoughts and they're not all garbage.

    On the other hand, if it's something I'm relatively new at or something I'm not really into, it's a rather painful process.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Cohen
    As a beginner, you need a structure.

    First, do all your prospect and product research.

    Second, decide what the hook, big idea (theme), and differentiation of your sales letter will be.

    Third, outline a persuasive flow.

    Fourth, write each component of the flow. Feel free to write them in the order that makes the most sense to you.

    Fifth, when done, put the components together, adding transitions. You now have a first draft.

    Sixth, edit.

    Once you have some experience under your belt, you won't need to do things so "legalistically". But until then, stick to a structure.

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    • Profile picture of the author Jeremey
      Originally Posted by Alex Cohen View Post

      As a beginner, you need a structure.

      First, do all your prospect and product research.

      Second, decide what the hook, big idea (theme), and differentiation of your sales letter will be.

      Third, outline a persuasive flow.

      Fourth, write each component of the flow. Feel free to write them in the order that makes the most sense to you.

      Fifth, when done, put the components together, adding transitions. You now have a first draft.

      Sixth, edit.

      Once you have some experience under your belt, you won't need to do things so "legalistically". But until then, stick to a structure.

      Alex
      Thanks Alex - I'm knee deep in step #3 right now.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeremey
    It's almost like wading into the sales letter with a metal detector or divining rod...kind of muddling around in those first few paragraphs and waiting until the alarm goes off...

    I'm starting a big one right now and I just know this is happening...may as well get through all this bullshit and get it out of the way now.
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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Scott
    Depends who you are, but I don't know any amazing copywriters who get it right the first draft.

    Hell, Parris Lampropoulos told me it took him FIFTEEN DRAFTS until he had finished his first letter that went on to be a control.

    I usually rewrite my letters two or three times before I "nail it"...

    And I've done what you're describing more times than I like to think about.

    But you know what? That's okay. What matters is the end product, and the fact you're being ruthless it cutting out the chaff is a huge plus.

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    • Profile picture of the author Jeremey
      Originally Posted by Daniel Scott View Post

      But you know what? That's okay. What matters is the end product, and the fact you're being ruthless it cutting out the chaff is a huge plus.

      -Daniel
      Thanks Daniel - I've been cubbing for Jennie Heckel the past month or so and this is one thing she's been a huge help in. So much chaff...LOL...
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  • Profile picture of the author johndetlefs
    I forget whether it was John Carlton that said it, but he said that for a lot of copywriters the first 500 words is the copywriter's version of clearing their throat.

    Once they get that crap out of the way they can actually start saying something!
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeremey
      Originally Posted by johndetlefs View Post

      I forget whether it was John Carlton that said it, but he said that for a lot of copywriters the first 500 words is the copywriter's version of clearing their throat.

      Once they get that crap out of the way they can actually start saying something!
      So true John! You may be wondering where your Everest sherpas are...

      They didn't make it out of base camp.

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    • Profile picture of the author Jeremey
      Originally Posted by johndetlefs View Post

      I forget whether it was John Carlton that said it, but he said that for a lot of copywriters the first 500 words is the copywriter's version of clearing their throat.

      Once they get that crap out of the way they can actually start saying something!
      Yes, it was Carlton that said this...he said it again to me personally earlier today!

      Did a virtual hot seat with Carlton & Stan Dahl today on developing my USP (from my sales & songwriting background). John mentioned that he and many of his colleagues are in the habit of literally throwing the first page that they write away straight off the bat, without even giving it a second look.

      I definitely find truth in that.
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  • Profile picture of the author johndetlefs
    Ha, no you explained where the Sherpas went pretty thoroughly.

    You seem to have had that image in your mind even as you wrote the rest of the page though? It definitely coloured some of the language that you've used.

    (so that we're not being too in here, Jeremey wrote a cracking sales page for my coaching program - that doesn't have sherpas from Mt Everest in it)
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeremey
      Originally Posted by johndetlefs View Post

      You seem to have had that image in your mind even as you wrote the rest of the page though? It definitely coloured some of the language that you've used.
      It did indeed set the mindset for the piece to be sure! Maybe I'll save those sherpas for another adventure somewhere down the road. Thanks again John!
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    • Profile picture of the author RickDuris
      I use a lot of military/martial arts metaphors in my work.

      One comes from Close Quarters Combat, Urban Warfare and Krav Maga. Three of the principles of assault are:

      Surprise
      Speed
      Violence of Action

      Close quarters combat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

      I keep this in mind when writing copy. It's why my copy is naturally strong, especially in the beginning.

      If you've seen the movies SEAL Team Six, Taken or if you go see Zero Dark Thirty, you have an inkling.

      Hope this helps.

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        • Profile picture of the author ewenmack
          Hey Jeremey, ask Jenny if she has Gary Bencivenga's, Bencivenga 100 training program.

          Seems to have most of them.

          In it he covers where to start under these sub sections...My Secret Weapon for Boosting Response -Your Copy’s Entry Point.

          He gives you the right entry point for each situation you come across.

          Tap in to this ready made short cut.

          Best,
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  • Profile picture of the author AndrewCavanagh
    I've never had the problem of the first 600 words
    being rubbish but it's quite possible that to start
    really writing you need to do some writing.

    If that's what works for you that's great.

    I can tell you that a lot of my writing is done in my
    head before I start typing and that I have a very
    strong sense of format in my mind (I'm naturally
    looking for a strong headline, opening line,
    first paragraph etc etc).

    Everyone works differently though.

    At the end of the day if the copy you're writing is
    making sales after you've gone through the editing
    and rewriting process just do more of it and be happy
    that you can do it.

    Kindest regards,
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  • Profile picture of the author Ross Bowring
    I find myself beginning to write later and later in the process.

    That way, by the time I sit down to write, the interweaving of product benefits, hooks, copy logic, etc, has matured in my head to the point where I won't waste time writing crap.

    --- Ross
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeremey
      Originally Posted by Ross Bowring View Post

      I find myself beginning to write later and later in the process.

      That way, by the time I sit down to write, the interweaving of product benefits, hooks, copy logic, etc, has matured in my head to the point where I won't waste time writing crap.

      --- Ross
      That's a great perspective Ross...What I've found is that I'll have a vague notion (or sometimes a very specific idea) of a hook or USP and it will take me that first page or so of writing to fall into the rhythms of writing.

      At that point I may realize that my original ideas were crap, and find a vein and begin tapping into it at the 600 word or so mark...

      Alex is spot on with the outline idea...Last night I wrote - in longhand - 20 pages or so of an outline and as I dig into the letter I find it's a tremendously helpful road map. I was able to flesh out a lot of those "hook" ideas and concepts in the outline and find it's much easier finding that starting point.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jeremey
        Andy & Mark, thanks to you both for your posts...inspiring words and I do appreciate it!

        @Mark, I'm the same way with just outright deleting ideas that don't fit, and I have a folder on my hard drive called "Idea Barn." When I develop a riff or go off on a tangent that I'm really fond of - but have to admit has no place in the project, I cut, paste into new document, and save straight to the idea barn.

        @Andy, agree with you on the restructuring as well. In fact, I believe I've done that in 100% of my work so far. "Wait...that's not part of the benefits...that needs to go up here!"

        Relates to your post just as well, Angie. Finding something doesn't fit...but making room for it somewhere else in the letter...Suddenly - hey, that's where it belonged all along!!
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  • Profile picture of the author ASCW
    Don't sweat it man, this is very common, and actually a good thing.

    Knowing that your first 600 words (or first page or whatever) will be garbage actually frees you to stop worrying and start writing.

    If you worry about editing as your write, you'll tangle yourself up more often than not.

    The secret to good writing, is writing.

    If you're like most, you find writing rewarding, and maybe even easy.

    Despite this you may find it hard to start.

    I for one need to write several pages before my engine is running, and I'm in "the zone".

    So when I sit down to write, especially if it's my first time writing for that project.

    I just try and blitz out 5-6 pages with no regard to how good it is.

    There will be no rhyme or reason to what I write. I may write a few paragraphs that are all first paragraphs - then start writing bullets, then start writing the order form.

    By the time I've got 5-6 pages down, I can look over it. Pick out the diamonds from the rough, and start the REAL work.

    -Andy

    P.S. Sometimes after a long writing session, I'll keep what I wrote. But I'll usually re-order it. Realizing that I had to write idea, and the right execution. But I sequenced my thoughts wrong. So I shuffle my paragraphs around into something more streamlined.
    Does that happen to anyone else?
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Pescetti
    Don't judge what you're writing.

    Don't get attached to any of it.

    Don't convince that you have to keep a lick of what you write.

    There are unlimited ideas out there to tap into.

    That's something you need to always remind yourself.

    You can always polish, refine, revise, delete and add.

    When you're writing, you might get the tone and approach to your letter down immediately.

    And...

    The right copy might come in your 10th draft.

    Doesn't matter.

    The point is...

    You'll get there - however you get there.

    Sometimes your very best copy; the stuff you personally like the most doesn't need to be in the letter.

    I can't tell you how many times I've tried to keep copy that I know should just get delete or put in my own personal swipe file for another project down the road.

    Likewise...

    If something sucks.

    Just get rid of it.

    Start over.

    Don't waste your time fiddling with copy and getting yourself all wound up.

    That's how you get blinkered (i.e. develop tunnel vision.)

    Mark

    P.S. If you have a deadline or clients waiting in the wing for you to finish your copy, get over it. Your process is whatever your process is. Never sign off on a letter you aren't 100% convinced will convert.
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  • Profile picture of the author johndetlefs
    Ha, that's funny. I did the one on one coaching with Stan, and boy, they really pack some punch in those sessions don't they?

    I'm jealous that you did one with John Carlton... he's a great copywriter!
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  • Profile picture of the author nickstamoulis
    I've found it really depends on the idea I'm trying to write about. Sometimes I'll get to the bottom of the page and look over what I just wrote and think to myself "where in the world am I going with this..." and just start from scratch. Other times it just kind of "happens" and although it may not be perfect I've got a good place to start from. I know it feels like you're wasting your time if you're constantly chucking the first 600 words but I really look at it like a warm-up. You can't expect to hit it out of the part on the first swing, right?
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    • Profile picture of the author jobucks
      You might find it helpful to write yourself a mini checklist. Look back over all the successfully completed letters you have written and note the format of each, what you have included in each paragraph etc. You will find they have a lot in common. Make a checklist from this and stick it on the wall in your workspace.

      In future when you go to write a sales letter, take a look through your checklist and you will have a much better idea of where to start and what will work. This process worked very well for me when I first started my business, and I have a checklist for nearly every writing job now, it's also handy to have if you have to outsource as this information will help your assistant/contractor to stick to the same style.
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  • Profile picture of the author The_Idea_Gal
    Writing takes time and the more you do it, the better you become. I find that when I have a writing project, I always try to start with a list of bulleted key points I want to talk about then try to write paragraphs on each point. It keeps me focused so I stay on topic. Also, walking away from your writing and coming back to it with a fresh set of eyes helps with the editing process.
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