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Well, my ego has taken a big enough hit so I don't think I want to share this letter any more.
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  • Profile picture of the author DavidG
    I think most of your "learn how to" bullets are more features than they are benefits...and aren't that intriguing...

    You need to realize that small business's ge SPAMMED the heck out of EVERY SINGLE day. So you should expand on how you'll help them achieve everything you claim...

    Like - A unique twist when charging your costumers that keeps them loyal and coming back for more!

    Or - How almost any small business saves marketing expenses simply by telling your prospect this 3 letter word!

    You need to be specific and add intrigue to make your claims BS proof. And actually, your whole sales letter is full of claims. Add some testimonials or something.

    That's just a rough "top of my head" kind of critique. Also - tell us SPECIFICALLY who's going to receive these letters.

    EDIT. You can also add past samples or talk about a business you actually helped improve. And heck, you can embed it as a story for your entire letter. And how you can help their business too.
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    • Profile picture of the author PaulintheSticks
      Originally Posted by DavidG View Post

      I think most of your "learn how to" bullets are more features than they are benefits...and aren't that intriguing...
      It seems all the benefits are the same....improving the bottom line (except maybe the automated mktg sys)

      So you should expand on how you'll help them achieve everything you claim...
      Noted.

      Like - A unique twist when charging your costumers that keeps them loyal and coming back for more!
      Like giving them a discount if they pay by cash or check?

      Or - How almost any small business saves marketing expenses simply by telling your prospect this 3 letter word!
      Now?

      You need to be specific and add intrigue to make your claims BS proof. And actually, your whole sales letter is full of claims. Add some testimonials or something.
      Great point. The best I can do for proof for all of those claims (and they're all true) is that I did them in my own business.

      EDIT. You can also add past samples or talk about a business you actually helped improve. And heck, you can embed it as a story for your entire letter. And how you can help their business too.
      Love that idea. But I can only tell them my own story.

      Thanks for taking the time.
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  • Profile picture of the author ewenmack
    Hi Paul, your strategy and goal of the letter is wrong,
    therefore not much point in critiquing it.

    For higher priced things and intangibles like what you are offering,
    the best approach is to keep it short.

    If you have strong demonstrable proof of client performance from
    your intervention, then that would be a good entry point.

    Failing that then your entry point should be talking about typical problems
    faced in their type of business.

    Just one bullet point for each problem, max three.

    Quickly mention how you've solved those pressing issues
    in similar types of businesses.

    Then invite them to setting a appointment time to talk.

    The Sticky seems mostly relevant for sales letters where you are asking for the sale,
    not asking for a meeting where the thing for sale is more complicated.

    Best,
    Ewen
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    • Profile picture of the author PaulintheSticks
      Originally Posted by ewenmack View Post

      For higher priced things and intangibles like what you are offering,
      the best approach is to keep it short.
      I'm selling a $97 consultation.

      Failing that then your entry point should be talking about typical problems
      faced in their type of business.
      Just one bullet point for each problem, max three.
      Great point.

      Quickly mention how you've solved those pressing issues
      in similar types of businesses.
      That's a major hurdle. I haven't. Well except in my own business.

      The Sticky seems mostly relevant for sales letters where you are asking for the sale,
      not asking for a meeting where the thing for sale is more complicated.
      I AM asking for the sale. Maybe I need to be clearer that I'm just selling a one hour consultation for $97. I'm not sure if its just because of the warrior mindset but you're the 2nd warrior that didn't get that. That's why I mentioned "no sales pitch" because that's what a consultation usually ends up being.

      Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Pescetti
    You lose me almost immediately.

    You don't resolve the main marketing message in your headline.

    So for me...

    There's absolutely no flow to your copy.

    Why is more advertising NOT going to help my business?

    What insights do you have to quantify that statement?

    Copy inadequacies?

    Positioning problems?

    Design issues?

    And it's true.

    Your bullets are too feature oriented.

    What does a more financially productive business mean, to me, a business owner looking to create prosperity and freedom?

    You need to tap into the benefits more and weave them throughout the copy.

    Connect with the highest-minded potentials that business owners want and keep marching to the beat of that drum.

    Mark

    P.S. I disagree with Ewen. Length is irrelevant. You need to get MORE specific and demonstrate how you can emotionally connect with prospects - because that's what will inspire confidence in the absence of social proof. But I personally start over. I like your headline. It's just not relevant for the tone you create throughout the copy.
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  • Profile picture of the author gjabiz
    First question is about TARGET.

    Who is going to receive this and how? Typed letter in envelope? Any teaser copy? Anything which will make the target OPEN the letter?

    How will be addressed? Do have personal names?
    There is an assumption my business is broken, which it may not be. Do I want more business, maybe. Perhaps I don't spend thousands on advertising...how do you know? Does your list come from a source that shows the business spends lots of money on advertising?

    NO ONE who owns a business thinks their business makes them just like everyone or anyone else for that matter...they all think their business is unique.

    You have a very weak headline and opening, looks like an ad to sell me something...lose interest quickly...toss into trash...there goes YOUR money down the drain. I don't think there any good elements worth keeping and the underlining and all that smacks of hype and good bye letter.

    Since I actually did something similar consulting with business, I'll share a little of what I did. There are posts here with more details, you can search my name and try to find them, I don't have time.

    I presented myself as a professional business analyst, an Independent Marketing Appraiser ... and offered a FREE appraisal of their current marketing strategy, this got my foot in the door. Then I sold my services, which are similar to yours.

    The letters I sent were always sent mostly in Greeting Cards, which meant they always got opened. I made the FREE offer, and it worked well enough to keep business flowing.

    As for your copy, my advice is to go back to the drawing board. Start with a list of benefits, quickly tell the guy what you can do for him. Do some searching here for other copy of a similar work.

    But, first thing, IMO (always) is to clearly identify your TARGET and write a letter, not a sales letter, but a personal letter to this one person telling him why he needs to call you quickly. Yea, you really need to start over.

    gjabiz
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  • Profile picture of the author RickDuris
    The other guys are right. Your response rate would be pathetic.

    But what concerns me is with a strategy, offer and copy as bad as this, it's doubtful you can help business owners as a general marketing consultant.

    I'm pretty sure local business owners you mail to would see that as well in your letter.

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    That said, if really want to boost your response, you might want to consider a strategy which includes lumpy mail.

    DOUBLE Your Direct Mail RESPONSE RATES with LUMPY MAIL

    Key Point: The sole goal of your piece is TO GET THEM TO CALL so you can sell them. (Do NOT sell them on a consult as your offer.)

    - Rick Duris

    PS: As a side benefit, your lumpy direct mail piece will preemptively position you as a rather creative marketing consultant, one who can help them creatively as well.

    It also helps you break the ice and becomes a useful conversation topic when they call you.
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    • Profile picture of the author PaulintheSticks
      Originally Posted by RickDuris View Post

      But what concerns me is with a strategy, offer and copy as bad as this, it's doubtful you can help business owners as a general marketing consultant.
      All I really have done is teach the exact same principles Jay Abraham teaches and implemented them into my own business and had really good success. Do you think that teaching the same strategies and tactics as a book like "Getting Everything You Can Out of All You've Got" (that's a long title ) wouldn't have enough value for a business?

      I've given away plenty of consults and the people always seem to be impressed and since I see very few businesses using any of these strategies or tactics, I assumed I could really help them. I can't remember once in the last several years when a business even asked me for a referral. I have a hard time believing that businesses couldn't benefit quite a bit from what I teach.
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  • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
    I stopped after the first paragraph. I actually shuddered. Why? This:

    "...watch your business flounder. Or maybe you're watching the time and cash you've invested and your dreams go down the toilet. You know you need to do something NOW to stop the bleeding but feel helpless because..."

    These are bold and offensive assumptions to many. I understand what you're trying to do but believe this approach will piss people off.
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    • Profile picture of the author Gijsbertus
      Wow, what a great thread this is !!! - Core lessons to improve your sales copy -

      Thanks to all posters, have a nice weekend.
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      • Profile picture of the author ewenmack
        Paul and Mark, My post is based on my SEO client getting called by a national chain owner.

        Same set up for a guy I've worked with who has sold $11,000,000 of tecnology into BIG companies like Proctor And Gamble, MacDonalds, Burger King, Bank Of America,
        Western Union plus other big corps I have forgotten now.

        Even used it to get meeting with the head guy at MTV.

        Again as I said, your call to action is to ask how their calendar is looking for a meeting.

        The meeting can mean a phone call or Skype call.

        The whole purpose of this letter is to advance the meeting.
        Nothing else.

        Nothing else.

        I wouldn't place a $97 barrier between you and this meeting.

        Best,
        Ewen
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        • Profile picture of the author PaulintheSticks
          Originally Posted by ewenmack View Post

          The whole purpose of this letter is to advance the meeting.
          Nothing else.

          Nothing else.

          I wouldn't place a $97 barrier between you and this meeting.
          One thing to consider, Ewen, is not everyone has the same goals as you. My goal is not to sell SEO packages, its to teach basic marketing principles and strategies to as many uninformed business people as possible. And that would be at least 80% of the ones I have met.
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          • Profile picture of the author ewenmack
            Originally Posted by PaulintheSticks View Post

            One thing to consider, Ewen, is not everyone has the same goals as you. My goal is not to sell SEO packages, its to teach basic marketing principles and strategies to as many uninformed business people as possible. And that would be at least 80% of the ones I have met.
            Paul, my single goal for my clients who bring me on to sell their services to offline clients is for them to get more of the right clients contacting them faster...no matter the service or product being sold.

            Best,
            Ewen
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          • Profile picture of the author RickDuris
            Originally Posted by PaulintheSticks View Post

            All I really have done is teach the exact same principles Jay Abraham teaches and implemented them into my own business and had really good success. Do you think that teaching the same strategies and tactics as a book like "Getting Everything You Can Out of All You've Got" (that's a long title ) wouldn't have enough value for a business?

            I've given away plenty of consults and the people always seem to be impressed and since I see very few businesses using any of these strategies or tactics, I assumed I could really help them. I can't remember once in the last several years when a business even asked me for a referral. I have a hard time believing that businesses couldn't benefit quite a bit from what I teach.
            Originally Posted by PaulintheSticks View Post

            One thing to consider, Ewen, is not everyone has the same goals as you. My goal is not to sell SEO packages, its to teach basic marketing principles and strategies to as many uninformed business people as possible. And that would be at least 80% of the ones I have met.
            Then I sincerely wish you success. Businesses need your help.

            - Rick Duris
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          • Originally Posted by PaulintheSticks View Post

            My goal is...to teach basic marketing principles and strategies to as many uninformed business people as possible. And that would be at least 80% of the ones I have met.
            One strategy/method to consider is giving paid seminars. There are plenty of seminars on the web with sales letters you could model.

            You'll be able to show many business owners at once your methods, and it's easy to upsell them on coaching and consulting. Depending on your goals, you don't need many clients paying a monthly fee to build a nice base.

            After you run a few and work the kinks out, video tape the seminar and sell that with a binder of related material.
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            • Profile picture of the author ewenmack
              Paul another valid point not mentioned is you
              haven't identified a nagging problem your reader has.

              Problem identification is one of the foundations the great copywriter
              Gary Bencivenga uses.

              The more annoying their problem is the more likely they will respond to your solution.

              Going in with a vague solution first gets ignored.

              A persons yard may be overgrown and you could say they need it cleaned up.
              What they want is to down another beer watching porn on their big screen tv.

              Just be clear on the difference between the meaning of wants and needs.

              Sell to urgent needs.

              Best,
              Ewen
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              • Profile picture of the author PaulintheSticks
                Originally Posted by ewenmack View Post

                Paul another valid point not mentioned is you
                haven't identified a nagging problem your reader has.
                I've recently been giving away some consultations and what I heard the most was, "we aren't getting results from our advertising and we don't know what to do." And of course they blame the economy. So what do they do? Sit there hoping the economy will turn around.

                A guy the other day said, "I was thinking about doing a mailer". It was like that was the best he could come up with. That's why I used that headline and 1st paragraph. And of course none of them have positioned themselves in any significant way and certainly don't communicate any slight differentiation they may have to prospects and customers. Except for the occasional "best service around" and of course no one pays any attention to that.

                I'm probably going to do a little performance based work so I can get a few testimonials to build some more credibility. God knows they desperately need the help.
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  • Here's an example of a speech/seminar from Claude. In one of the posts later in the thread he outlines the structure.

    http://www.warriorforum.com/offline-...ion-stage.html
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  • You know your market but I doubt you need testimonials to land some solid business. There are so many people that need help with their marketing you can get clients next week at decent fees. Of course get testimonials, but try to get paid well in the process.
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