Did Someone Finally Make a "How To Create Doodle Videos" Program?

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I'm Bob Proctor's list.

He sends out a lot of junk.

Applying "The Secret" apparently means being a pimp.

I rarely click on his links.

But I have to admit:

His list does offer golden nuggets every once in a while that keeps me responsive.

He sent out a blast for a guy named Trace Haskins (aka The Doodle Video Guy.)

Good branding.

Here's the link. (Not an affiliate link.)

Anyway...

I opted in and watched his full presentation.

He isn't selling anything yet. Just building his list and asking people to fill out a survey on what they want in a training video.

But it's good stuff.

I'll definitely be undertaking this.

Mark
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  • Profile picture of the author Craig Paulson
    I've been looking for something like this for a while. Thanks for the share.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason_V
    Mark,

    I'm not really sure it would be worthwhile to learn this or not. Let me preface this by saying I don't have any doodle videos up at all. Here are the reasons I'd be hesitant to learn how to do these:

    • Market seems to already be saturated with these kinds of videos
    • Because of the above, I believe the response rates on these kinds of videos are probably already falling or will fall
    • Even if you want to make an argument about point 1 above not being true, a product like this is only going to help to saturate the market. (More and more people will learn how to make these which will mean more and more of these types of videos will be pumped out and flood the market)
    • As everyone here probably knows the more the market is exposed to something like this (magalogs, freemiums, etc...) the more resistant to the medium the market becomes.
    • There probably will be something else new and better to come along shortly
    All the above, are just my opinions. If anyone wants to further discuss my points and retort why I'm wrong, or why you think I'm wrong, please feel free to do so.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mark Pescetti
      Originally Posted by Jason_V View Post

      • Market seems to already be saturated with these kinds of videos
      • Because of the above, I believe the response rates on these kinds of videos are probably already falling or will fall
      • Even if you want to make an argument about point 1 above not being true, a product like this is only going to help to saturate the market. (More and more people will learn how to make these which will mean more and more of these types of videos will be pumped out and flood the market)
      • As everyone here probably knows the more the market is exposed to something like this (magalogs, freemiums, etc...) the more resistant to the medium the market becomes.
      • There probably will be something else new and better to come along shortly
      Saturation?

      Maybe so.

      I'm sure there are a lot of marketers writing horrible scripts and putting together less-than-stellar presentations.

      But like old, timeless sales writing techniques work just as perfectly today - as they did 50 years ago...

      ...a good Doodle Video (backed with the right script) will crush it - when just copy or a PP vid only skims the surface of possible conversions.

      Focus on the copy.

      And the Doodle Video medium will be invaluable for a long time to come.

      My take.

      Mark
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    Jason

    I would agree with you if all that people ever did was sell this to the IM community

    but outside of the bizop.. its untouched

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    • Profile picture of the author Jason_V
      Originally Posted by bluecoyotemedia View Post

      Jason

      I would agree with you if all that people ever did was sell this to the IM community

      but outside of the bizop.. its untouched

      eddie
      Eddie, I've seen it in several other niches:

      • Weight loss
      • Dating products
      • DIY Solar panel energy (this was probably one of the best ones I've ever watched, and I actually suggested it in one of Mark's Copy critique threads)
      • IM/Offline marketing
      3 out of the 4 above are the "big mainstream" niches. I'm sure there are others in other niches but I don't follow a whole lot of other niches.

      Edit: I've seen them in Forex/investing type products too, another big market.
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  • Profile picture of the author tracehaskins
    Hey guys! I know this thread is over a month old, but I just found it today... Interesting to see people talking about you and your product! :-D

    (Thanks Mark for your comments on my funnel. I did think your comment about Bob being a pimp was kinda funny. )

    If you have any questions for me I'm happy to spill the beans.

    I don't really disagree with anything that was said, even the comments CON-doodles. However, I do believe this will be a presentation style that sticks around for quite some time, and as others have pointed out, it will take a long time before all possible markets become saturated.

    1) As a marketer, IF YOUR SALES COPY IS GOOD, adding a Doodle to your funnel can magnify the results... more interesting to watch than a boring powerpoint-style presentation, and certainly more than an old-style long copy salesletter.

    2) If you are someone who needs "quick cash", creating doodles for other people/marketers is a great way to go. The big firms charge $6k and up per minute of Doodle Video production; Come in as a little guy or gal who does great work, charge less than that, and you're bound to get as much business as you want to take on.

    My take: It's a phenomenon that's fun to watch, fun to make, and has the ability to multiply results in all areas, WHEN DONE RIGHT.

    That's where I came up with the idea for my Doodle Video Dude course; It runs 11 weeks and walks people thru everything from setting goals + making a vision board, to looking at the competition, to writing great sales copy, to recording or outsourcing your voiceovers, to advanced strategies for making your Doodle Whiteboard presentations "DIFFERENT" and "STAND OUT" from everyone else's, to taking all this new knowledge/perspective and turning it into a revenue stream and getting clients.

    The students who have bought my course are loving it and having a good time, which also helps me fulfill my personal life purpose. :-D The pessimists may laugh at that, but I really do want to make a difference for people.

    It's not enough just to use some software and make a Doodle presentation that's animated. It's gotta have all of the elements of sales psychology, pattern interrupts, hooks, etc. to be effective. That's what will keep these working well for people who take the time to make quality doodles and not just wing it.

    For me this isn't just about making a quick, mediocre product and making some quick cash... I really want to help people tap into their creativity and make money with it, which can be extremely hard to do with other opportunities. It's a little easier with this one, in my opinion. I for one am having a lot of fun, both teaching as well as producing videos, and it's been the easiest way to make money I've come across yet.

    I've been a web developer / graphic designer for many years and while there have been some nice peaks in that career, most of the time it's been a case of work aLOT for pay that doesn't quite cut it, or doesn't last. I believe many Affiliate marketers feel the same way (with exceptions of those who do really well, of course). With the Doodle stuff, it's easier to do, has a high perceived value, and even with what might seem like a high price tag to some, still winds up being worth it.

    Best,
    Trace
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    • Profile picture of the author Mark Pescetti
      Originally Posted by tracehaskins View Post

      As a marketer, IF YOUR SALES COPY IS GOOD, adding a Doodle to your funnel can magnify the results... more interesting to watch than a boring powerpoint-style presentation, and certainly more than an old-style long copy salesletter.
      I just did 3 doodle/whiteboard scripts in a row.

      I've actually been talking them up even more to my clients - after a fellow copywriter here on the WF showed me how it's REALLY done. (Hint: His first name is Rick.)

      Here's why Doodle Videos work (when they're done absolutely right...):

      Your copy is talking to prospects on one level.

      The emotion in your voiceover is reaching prospects on another level - adding dimension or layers to the sales process.

      But with the right animation, there's yet another subtle layer added into the mix.

      You're able to illustrate the message in your copy on a whole other level.

      And in my mind...

      Since copy is all about emotion, you're able to connect on a much more personal, casual level. Your personality and imagination comes through 1000 times amplified - without coming across as making a harder sell.

      I've actually been going through hell getting one of my client's doodle video produced. He hired someone from oDesk that seemed to know what he was doing, based off of his samples, but man... he did NOT get the emotion in the script. So the animations he created (that were clearly communicated) absolutely sucked. We ended up leaving that relationship.

      My point is...

      It's ridiculously vital to get these monsters done right. Otherwise, there's really no point in using the medium.

      Whether you make the illustrations yourself or have someone else do it, the emotion and psychology from the script has to come through. That takes a pretty large measure of interpretative abilities. And if you don't got it (or the person you hire is inept,) it's a wash.

      I feel like I should take Trace's course and master this stuff on my own - except I can't draw a stick man to save my life.

      But the service Trace is offering is invaluable. And I love that he includes vision board stuff in the process. Makes me wanna come out of the closet.

      Mark
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    • Profile picture of the author Steve Hill
      Originally Posted by tracehaskins View Post

      It's not enough just to use some software and make a Doodle presentation that's animated. It's gotta have all of the elements of sales psychology, pattern interrupts, hooks, etc. to be effective. That's what will keep these working well for people who take the time to make quality doodles and not just wing it.
      That's spot on - there are a lot of poorly-done doodle videos using the same old cramped hand (from certain widely-used public software) to animate boring old vector clip art or some company logo that happened to be available in vector format. Yawn.

      On the other hand, there are some great storyboard animations where imaginative artwork and quality storytelling come to life in an animated doodle type of presentation. The Coca-Cola marketing videos comes to mind (as seen at Liquid content - marketing presentation from Coca Cola | Equation Arts).

      It's an exciting medium with a lot of potential, for the reasons you and Mark cited - but it's certainly helpful to be unique, imaginative, and engaging.

      I can only imagine what might have happened if doodle videos had been available in the psychedelic age when all that creative artwork (as in Yellow Submarine) was going on. The Coke video is somewhat along the same lines in terms of creativity.
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    @Mark - you speak my language bro.

    "Here's why Doodle Videos work (when they're done absolutely right...):

    Your copy is talking to prospects on one level.

    The emotion in your voiceover is reaching prospects on another level - adding dimension or layers to the sales process.

    But with the right animation, there's yet another subtle layer added into the mix.

    You're able to illustrate the message in your copy on a whole other level.

    And in my mind...

    Since copy is all about emotion, you're able to connect on a much more personal, casual level. Your personality and imagination comes through 1000 times amplified - without coming across as making a harder sell."

    @MikePSS - Thanks for the endorsement... but you kind of have to say that now don't you?! LOL (full disclosure - Mike is my awesome business partner :-D)
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  • Apart from all the obvious uses...

    Wouldn't this be a great tool for the copywriters who want to write 20 guru letters 20 times by hand.


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  • Profile picture of the author masterpaintingnow
    It has been proven with many studies that video is more engaging than a script on a page, no matter how well written. It is why Youtube is so popular and writing sites aren't. It is why books are dying and movies are selling out.

    Whiteboard animation, if done well, will always capture someone's attention, and if you use images that fit the narration, as sound is better than just written words on a whiteboard, you will capture their attention and hold it longer. The point is to hold it to the end, your call to action.

    Even now the market is being flooded with whiteboard animations, but, they still work. I mainly market and sell "how to draw" videos, and I do well. It is my main source of income. I have a huge 3 bedroom house and a 3 bedroom den.

    Anyway, the point is, I recently decided to make some whiteboard animations, instead of putting snippets of my drawing course, sped up, time lapsed, and bam! sells increased, conversion rates increased, and watching time increased. Youtube analytics let me see that these new whiteboard sells pitches kept my viewers engaged longer. They also got more shares, which = more sells.

    I will be teaching how to make professional whiteboard animations yourself, custom ones, even if you can't draw.

    Here is my latest that is doing well.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_GKwq6OB6o

    Don't worry, I'm not trying to plug my art course here on Warrior Forum. That would be a waste of marketing time as this is not an art forum. The video is just for an example of a whiteboard animation that is working well for me. I am glad I decided to give them a shot, and they are easy to do, even if you can't draw.
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    • Profile picture of the author Cool Hand Luke
      Originally Posted by masterpaintingnow View Post

      It is why books are dying and movies are selling out.
      Your point is well taken but this part made me laugh out loud. Including the Kindle platform, more books were sold last year than in any other year in history. Books aren't "dying" at all.

      Also, I've seen plain old powerpoint vids routinely out-convert whiteboard animation videos in a half dozen major niches including financial services, one of the most lucrative markets online.

      I get that you bumped this months-old thread essentially to bring attention your service, but you don't have to lie to kick it. Video and whiteboard animation is great, but it's not the be-all-end-all solution to every marketer's individual needs.
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  • Thanks for the information, it may be similar to videoscribe.
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    • Profile picture of the author Benjamin Farthing
      Originally Posted by infinitesuccess168 View Post

      Thanks for the information, it may be similar to videoscribe.
      It's a step-by-step guide on using videoscribe to make doodle videos, as well as advice on marketing the service.
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  • Profile picture of the author TerryX
    awesome, I want to learn to do this, Thanks!
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