Embedded Commands Results!

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Hi Guys,

Been reading some stuff about embedded commands recently. For use in a selling context (video, in person, text).

However, even though it seems that a lot of people use these techniques. For some reason, I could not find any scientific research or split test results proving that embedded commands actually work.

Personally i believe that the issue is not the amount of people who use these techniques but how effective they really are. I can't see me using something not knowing if it works or not...

Are you guys aware of any scientific research or split test results that have been published?

Maybe you have some results to share?

Thanks

Gary
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  • Profile picture of the author lthom951
    I know what you're talking about.
    You can use embedded commands in your
    writing by hiding a direct command inside of your language.

    You could say "Buy this product right now."
    Which would be a direct command. So, if you look at
    the following sentence, you'll see how I embedded the
    same command into a larger idea.

    "You could buy this product right now... or read about
    all of the benefits you'll receive
    from it first.."

    Can you see how I sandwiched the command inside of a
    larger sentence? The idea is that it will boost your chances
    of influencing the reader's behavior by softening them up
    with some niceties and bypassing some resistance.

    I don't know of any studies supporting its credibility. But
    I think it could work to an extent. How well it works is
    probably dependent on a lot of factors.

    It definitely won't give anyone jedi powers.
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  • Profile picture of the author Gary Ning Lo
    Thanks luke.. Not much proof & real results but nice anyway

    Cheers,

    Gary
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  • Profile picture of the author fxprofitmountain
    Originally Posted by Gary Ning Lo View Post

    Hi Guys,

    Been reading some stuff about embedded commands recently. For use in a selling context (video, in person, text).

    However, even though it seems that a lot of people use these techniques. For some reason, I could not find any scientific research or split test results proving that embedded commands actually work.

    Personally i believe that the issue is not the amount of people who use these techniques but how effective they really are. I can't see me using something not knowing if it works or not...

    Are you guys aware of any scientific research or split test results that have been published?

    Maybe you have some results to share?

    Thanks

    Gary
    I am doing a split test now. I am a copywriter and experimental psychologist, so I get interested in testing and... in particular, testing interesting "treatments."

    Most of the "academic" stuff on this is going to come from the NLP/Hypnosis crowd. And neither are big on strict controlled research. NLP is based on modelling, not experimental research, although once in a while an NLPer will get a wild hair and go and do a study... but that is rare.

    One of the issues with this is that the most famous subliminal research study done back in the 50s (maybe 60s ?) was actually a fraud. The author later admitted so...

    But this stuff is more prevalent than the average person suspects. Youtube subliminal ads to see some great presentations... a lot of it is visual, but the embedded commands are there also, especially with tobacco and car ads.

    Your best bet is to read Eldon Taylor's stuff if you are hunting for scientific evidence.

    Here is an article he wrote, he has several books as well.

    I have no affiliation with him other than I use his subliminal CDs in my own life.

    You can read books that Taylor has written for more information, and he does cite some research.

    Or you can try Milton Erickson's books, but they will be heavy on anecdotal evidence and won't rely on controlled studies.

    Milton Erickson, Ernest Rossi, and Sheila Rossi, Hypnotic Realities (New York: Irvington Publishers, 1976

    Milton Erickson and Ernest Rossi, Hypnotherapy: An Exploratory Casebook (New York: Irvington Publishers, 1979)

    I am happy to share my results once I get them from my own testing.


    p.s. Another issue when looking up journal articles on this stuff is that the mainstream academics probably won't use the NLP/Ericksonian term "embedded commands." So even though they are looking at the same thing, the mainstream academics might call them "subliminal messages" or "subliminal commands."
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  • Profile picture of the author Ross James
    No embedded command is going to overcome not having enough to backup your promises or help sell a shitty offer. Sorry, not happening
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    • Profile picture of the author CopyMonster
      I dunno. IN-BEDDING commands. Really?

      Some people GET all HOT and bothered by the stuff.

      Many don't see what the fuss is all about. And it usually just ends in a lot of FRICTION.

      But isn't that life? A lot of huffing and puffing. Sometimes HEATED EXCHANGES. Sometimes getting along.

      I read this once, "You'll be surprised how much of what's spouted by experts is just pure crap. But the biggest crap of all is stuff you learn and let sit there, never to use it. You get most value when you just DO IT. That's usually when you GET LUCKY. Seriously lucky." It seems to fit in a lot of situations.

      Yeah... IN-BED commands. I dunno.

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      Scary good...
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  • Profile picture of the author ECTally
    Originally Posted by Gary Ning Lo View Post

    Hi Guys,

    Been reading some stuff about embedded commands recently. For use in a selling context (video, in person, text).

    However, even though it seems that a lot of people use these techniques. For some reason, I could not find any scientific research or split test results proving that embedded commands actually work.

    Personally i believe that the issue is not the amount of people who use these techniques but how effective they really are. I can't see me using something not knowing if it works or not...

    Are you guys aware of any scientific research or split test results that have been published?

    Maybe you have some results to share?

    Thanks

    Gary
    Correct me if I am wrong, but I think this qualifies as one of copywriting's urban legends.

    Back in the 60s and 70s, psychiatrist Dr. Milton Erickson experimented with embedded commands with his patients. Several books and awards later, his ideas became the basis of the neurolinguistic programming (NLP) concept developed by Richard Bandler and John Grinder. NLP is speculative science at best, mind, and as far as I know, there exists no scientific evidence of its effectiveness.

    Nonetheless, the concept caught fire with the several communities, most notably, the magic (mentalist?) and mental health. Some of the ideas crept into the outer fringes of the copywriting realm, and from time to time, copywriters would bet their farm on the effectiveness of NLP.

    Personally, I think embedded commands in copywriting are about as effective as subliminal messages in radio/TV broadcasts and backmasking Satanic commands in rock tracks from the 70s.
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