"Should I Write My Own Copy... Or Outsource?"

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So what's the answer?

Truth be told...

As a product creator or someone providing a service, you should always be aspiring to write effective copy. Because even if you hire a copywriter, you're much more likely to get the copy you imagine receiving - IF you can intelligently communicate what you want...

...from positioning to utilizing specific techniques to the offer to creating a persuasive CTA.

I bring this up because over the last few years (hell, even the last few weeks,) I've had people, largely from here on the WF, ask me if they should hire me... or write their own copy.

Believe it or not, my response is very often, "Learn how to write your own copy."

That's what I personally did. In fact, that's how I got into this whole whacky game. I taught myself how to write copy - before I even knew what copywriting was.

Worst case scenario...

The copy you write may not be what ultimately produces conversions.

But if you do decide to hire a copywriter, you'll have something to show him or her that brings way more specificity to the conversation.

How? Well...

Oftentimes, I have clients fill out a form - before AND after our first recorded interview to see how they organically write about their solution. It helps me capture THEIR voice and accelerate MY writing process. Having a sales letter that you wrote can help us figure out the right positioning for your copy WAY faster. (Not always, but it definitely can't hurt.)

So...

If you're comfortable writing...

If you're a hustler (in a good sense) - who is always reading everything you can get your hands on to become a more effective writer...

If your ultimate desire, whether you can produce a winning sales letter right now or not, is writing your own copy...

Keep hustlin'. Keep pushin' Keeping moving forward.

I believe that writing copy is one of the most important skills anyone can learn. Because it teaches you how to communicate value (when it's done right.)

And like I said...

At the very least, when you learn as much as you can about copywriting, you'll able to interact with your copywriter on a much more specific level - should you go in that direction. Knowing HOW to communicate your needs will help you walk away with converting copy, rather than something you don't want representing you, your reputation and your solution.

Now what?

Go up to the sticky for copywriting books and order a few!

Mark
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    Truth be told... learning how to sell and write copy opens up SO many different doors for you.

    Like you, Mark, I started with my own products.

    Back in 2001, I threw some of my fitness programs up online to see what would sell... and here I am, 13 years and several million dollars made later... copy was a HUGE piece.

    Sure, I've tried outsourcing copy back when I was just creating my own products. I was growing so fast I HAD to hire other writers.

    but almost without fail, my copy would beat theirs when it came to conversions... and here's WHY.

    No matter how good the copy is you get from a copywriter, they are not going to be with you indefinitely.

    And the truth is, you always need to be testing out different headlines, leads, offers, etc...

    THAT is why you should learn how to write your own copy.

    One, so you can see what good copy is, so if you do outsource and you get back shit, you'll know it's shit.

    But also, you can take what your writer gave you, and always be testing out new stuff.

    If you know how to write your own copy... you can test out new headlines, new leads, new bonuses, new offers, new guarantees, etc...

    That alone can help increase your conversion rate, more and more, over time.

    So, that's my big take away and why I feel that marketers should at least learn enough about copy to always be testing out new ideas and concepts.

    Sure, many big marketers just keep copywriters on staff, to do this exact thing. Heck, I've written for many of them.

    but if you're small to medium and can't always keep a copywriter on staff, just grab some of the copy books above and be knowledgeable enough about copy to know what selling and persuasion is... and how you can use that to always be testing.

    If you're in business long enough, you'll soon learn that almost every single word you write or correspondence you make... is selling in one way or another.
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    • Profile picture of the author Enfusia
      I'm of the mind that the best way to learn how to write effective copy is to write a letter for a product that you own. Put it up and run quality traffic at it.

      If you can't find a product buy the rights to a word press tutorial video series or something and you're off to the races.

      I know that my method will be poo hawed by some and some will claim that you have to go read a bunch of books or study the Halbert letters or whatever they're called.

      I also know that the next two things I'm going to say won't be received well by some either but they are true.

      1. Always write the best copy you've ever written every single time you write copy. If you can show me a way you'll improve faster than that combined with spending your own money (not clients money) on the ad spend then I'm all ears.

      Yes, there will be some that will say to write a letter a day by hand of one of the greats etc.. But it still doesn't trump how fast you come up to speed when your own money's on the line.

      2. Never use a swipe file. If someone comes over to your house and swipes something isn't that stealing?

      If you rely on swipe files you'll never be a copywriter but instead just a copy copier. Yes you'll hear people say that they use them only for inspiration etc.. But is that really true?

      Now, don't get me wrong I'm not berating. I'm voicing my view on how to actually be a copywriter.

      Who am I? Well, I'm just an old school copywriter that's been doing this for over 30 years.

      Do you remember before the internet when there were 5 to 6 and all the way up to 16 page sales letters that you'd get in the mail selling XYZ widgets etc? I was one of those guys that wrote those.

      Before that I came out of the door to door sales and never had months less than 10K net.

      I only say this so you will at least briefly consider what I'm saying if at all.

      Yes, I know it's so much easier just to swipe and to not write your best every single time you write copy and so most will scoff at me as a (insert your favorite scoff). I'm ok with that.

      But you still can't show me a way to get better faster.

      Now, should you hire a copywriter? Yes, because what I just told you to do is a lot more work than paying a decent writer 5k for a letter.

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      • Profile picture of the author Alex Cohen
        Originally Posted by Enfusia View Post


        I know that my method will be poo hawed by some
        "Poo hawed"? LOL

        If you rely on swipe files you'll never be a copywriter but instead just a copy copier. Yes you'll hear people say that they use them only for inspiration etc.. But is that really true?
        You've expressed this opinion before and obviously feel strongly about it.

        How about a person new to copywriting... you don't think it helps him to look at winning sales letters in the same niche and model how they flow? Or to see the specific terms the copywriter used and reuse them?

        Sure there's a time and place for originality. But to ignore what has proven to work? Doesn't make sense.

        Alex
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        • Profile picture of the author Mark Pescetti
          Originally Posted by Alex Cohen View Post

          You've expressed this opinion before and obviously feel strongly about it.

          How about a person new to copywriting... you don't think it helps him to look at winning sales letters in the same niche and model how they flow? Or to see the specific terms the copywriter used and reuse them?

          Sure there's a time and place for originality. But to ignore what has proven to work? Doesn't make sense.

          Alex
          I think it's irresponsible to NOT research and study the hell out of your competition, see what's working, what isn't... and so on.

          Some copywriters swipe and make it their own. Others barely change anything, which isn't swiping, it's stealing.

          It's one thing to leverage and revise what's proven - to fit your voice and hook. It's something else entirely to use what's proven, as is, because you're too chicken sh!t to try something else.

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        • Profile picture of the author Enfusia
          Originally Posted by Alex Cohen View Post

          "Poo hawed"? LOL

          You've expressed this opinion before and obviously feel strongly about it.

          How about a person new to copywriting... you don't think it helps him to look at winning sales letters in the same niche and model how they flow? Or to see the specific terms the copywriter used and reuse them?

          Sure there's a time and place for originality. But to ignore what has proven to work? Doesn't make sense.

          Alex
          Actually it's especially true for beginners because.
          1. They never learn how to write their own copy that way.
          2. They never get any better. Well, ok they get craftier at stealing others ideas.
          3. They have NO IDEA why what they wrote works or worse yet doesn't.
          4. They don't have the internal numbers of whether what they stole (swiped) converted so they don't know whether they stole studs or duds.
          5. They never learn to use their brain and develop their own ideas.
          6. It teaches them to be thieves and see how little they can work to change something just enough to get away with it.
          7. They never learn to test. And even if they did they wouldn't know why what just happened did in fact happen or how to make it happen again or not happen again depending on the the results that happened. (Yeah, I just happened to spew all that).

          Yes, you're right I feel passionate about copywriting and doing it in an ethical way. Yes, I'm aware that people who have been swiping copy for years will condemn my words or at least berate them as to justify their position. I'm aware of this. But that makes no difference, what's right is right.

          You'll never be the best in the world at anything if all you do is follow.
          If you're not looking to be the best copywriter in the world then you should go find something that you are that passionate about and do it instead.

          As this is being read by anyone including you Alex. Please understand I am not pointing this at you or anyone in particular. How could I, do I know you? Have I walked a mile in your boots? No, then of course I'm not aiming this at anyone.
          I'm expressing my viewpoint which we all have the right to do.
          These are my views.

          I AM working on becoming the best copywriter in the world.
          If not then I too should go find something else to do.

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          • Profile picture of the author Mark Pescetti
            Originally Posted by Enfusia View Post

            If you're not looking to be the best copywriter in the world then you should go find something that you are that passionate about and do it instead.
            When I boxed...

            I always told people, "If you're not trying to be champion of the world, you've got no business being here."

            I didn't want to be the best.

            I wanted to be better than the best.

            Meaning...

            No matter how good I thought I was...

            If I was faced against someone better, I had to transcend their level of skill RIGHT NOW.

            I look at copywriting in the same light.

            I'm nowhere near where I want to be, but you best believe I'm damn sure on the path towards getting there.

            And no...

            It ain't by swiping.

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            • Profile picture of the author Enfusia
              Originally Posted by Mark Pescetti View Post

              When I boxed...

              I always told people, "If you're not trying to be champion of the world, you've got no business being here."

              I didn't want to be the best.

              I wanted to be better than the best.

              Meaning...

              No matter how good I thought I was...

              If I was faced against someone better, I had to transcend their level of skill RIGHT NOW.

              I look at copywriting in the same light.

              I'm nowhere near where I want to be, but you best believe I'm damn sure on the path towards getting there.

              And no...

              It ain't by swiping.

              Mark

              I couldn't agree more! Well said Sir.

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  • Profile picture of the author max5ty
    Here's the skinny on this...

    anybody can learn to be a copywriter if you consider being a copywriter as someone who knows all the rules for headlines, bullets, opening sentences, closing sentences, p.s., from the desk of,

    can quote Halbert, Swank, Woody, Spanky and Larry.

    This forum is full of copywriters. I read their stuff, watch their videos, watch them advertise themselves and on and on.

    But, and this is a big but...

    not everyone has the ability to be creative.

    Anyone can sit down and write a sales letter and make some bucks. Not everyone can be the creative genius that turns out ads that create mega fortunes. The truly creative copywriters are in a class all their own.

    Any of this make sense?

    From what I can gather from the OP, this is referring to small time marketers who are probably just starting out.

    I can't see anyone dealing with prime time customers, telling them they should learn copywriting. Most companies don't have any inclination to learn copywriting. They are usually where they are because they've learned to outsource.

    Oops, hit submit and didn't mean to.

    Anyways...

    I've been told I'm very very creative (thanks mom), but I have a friend who is a genius when it comes to marketing. She's one of the best in the country. I sometimes tell her I wish I could come up with some of the ideas she has. Anyone can be a copywriter/marketer, but only a very small few has the creative ability she does.

    Chances are highly likely that a very good copywriter will come up with a completely different approach then the business owner had in mind...because good copywriters are hired to be creative.

    Ok, I know this all sounded like a run on...but I'm to lazy to edit it all.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mark Pescetti
      Originally Posted by shawnlebrun View Post

      And the truth is, you always need to be testing out different headlines, leads, offers, etc...

      THAT is why you should learn how to write your own copy.

      One, so you can see what good copy is, so if you do outsource and you get back shit, you'll know it's shit.

      But also, you can take what your writer gave you, and always be testing out new stuff.

      If you know how to write your own copy... you can test out new headlines, new leads, new bonuses, new offers, new guarantees, etc...

      That alone can help increase your conversion rate, more and more, over time.
      You're absolutely right Shawn. And of course, your way of thinking is a reminder that marketing isn't an event, which a lot of people who hire copywriters fall into the trap of believing. "I'll hire this A-List copywriter, she'll knock it out of the park and I'll be chillin' at Secret Beach on Kauai - soaking up the rays - surrounded by beautiful, naked people." (Yes, it's a nudie beach!)

      But as we ALL know...

      Marketing is a constant process. And even if a client's copy is firing on all cylinders from the get-go, there's always improvements that need to be made. If I'm the copywriter and there's a 10% backend built into my deal... and I'm committed to the project for the long haul, I'll happily make those adjustments - constantly trying to beat my own control.

      But if you (the client) have been studying copy and want to take the reigns when I've submitted your letter or video script, you've positioned yourself to keep taking your business to the next level... and the next level - never limited by the glass ceiling of, "I don't know how to write copy."

      I was going back and forth with Trace Haskins about whether I should have my clients participate in his program that includes learning how to write copy... or just make Doodle Videos. And the more I think about it, everyone should buy the more comprehensive program, because at the very least...

      ...the more aware people (clients) are about the copywriting process, the more they can engage and provide invaluable feedback. Whereas, if they don't know how to write copy, their ability to give feedback could be (and very likely will be) extremely limited.

      Not knowing how to say what you really want to say is one of the most frustrating feelings in the world. We all know that feeling firsthand in one way or another.

      Originally Posted by Enfusia View Post

      Now, should you hire a copywriter? Yes, because what I just told you to do is a lot more work than paying a decent writer 5k for a letter.
      Yup.

      Most product owners want their website up yesterday. So if they're just in the beginning stages of learning the copy basics, they're in for what's probably a solid two year learning curve.

      Which is a journey they should absolutely go on.

      However...

      In terms of getting their product out there - where it can be generating an income - while they learn copy...

      ...yes, paying the $$$$ for an effective letter or video script is absolutely the right way to go.

      AND, and, and...

      Collaborating in the writing process with the person they hire will also become an mentoring process - where they'll learn tons and potentially cut their learning curve in half. Never know, right?

      Originally Posted by max5ty View Post

      But, and this is a big but...

      not everyone has the ability to be creative.

      Anyone can sit down and write a sales letter and make some bucks. Not everyone can be the creative genius that turns out ads that create mega fortunes. The truly creative copywriters are in a class all their own.
      Yeah, it's one thing to understand the techniques.

      It's something else entirely to have the imagination to create converting concepts out of thin air.

      It's also about finding the balance between being clever and arriving at a concept that really triggers action. We've all seen (and perhaps created) letters that were creative as hell, but were too clever - just for the sake of being clever...

      ...rather than focusing on the sale.

      Know what I mean?

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      • Profile picture of the author Enfusia
        Likely the biggest reason a guy should hire a Copywriter is this.

        You hire the writer, the graphics guy, the web guy etc... You focus on admin and finding/creating new products to sell. You'll make many times more this way in those same 2 years it would have taken you to learn to write copy.

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  • Profile picture of the author HeadStartSEO
    Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill View Post

    No one is as motivated to sell your product as you are. Besides. admin people come much cheaper than creative people.
    I completely agree, I would first write your own sales copy. Then hire someone not to do it for you, but to get their views on the matter. You want to keep putting it into others in the copy writing space.

    Although, you also want to show it to the common man/woman to understand how they react to it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mark Pescetti
      Originally Posted by HeadStartSEO View Post

      You want to keep putting it into others in the copy writing space.
      This is why you outsource;-)
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeHumphreys
        Should you write your own copy or outsource it?

        It depends.

        It depends on your business cashflow. If you have no money, then forget about outsourcing anything especially the copy.

        It depends on your ability to be both objective and subjective about your product. If you can't be both objective and subjective then you're better off having someone else write the salesletter.

        Being subjective about your product is easy. That's the emotional side of copy where your excitement and passion about the product just naturally flow. You naturally think your product is the greatest thing since the invention of sliced bread.

        I think it's being objective is what trips A LOT of people up. Even copywriters who decide to do their own info-product can get tripped up by needing to be objective.

        You see, every product has some type of short-coming. Maybe it's the pricepoint. Maybe it's the amount of information (i.e. 7 DVDs) your product contains that will take a big time commitment for the buyer to completely review and put into action.

        The short-coming can be addressed in the copy... I like to use a damaging admission tactic often to do so. But if you can't objectively see the short-coming than you can't address it in the sales copy and it just lingers like the proverbial silent elephant in the room.

        More often than not, I think it's being able to objectively position your product. You need to be able to objectively see what your target market wants and not just what they need. This can be really hard to do when the product is your baby that you've created and raised from birth.

        Your product may deliver what your target market wants but if you think emphasizing what the market needs in the copy will help it sell better... well, it's been my painful experience that the copy will bomb because you emphasized the wrong things to your prospects.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mark Pescetti
          Originally Posted by MikeHumphreys View Post

          I think it's being objective is what trips A LOT of people up. Even copywriters who decide to do their own info-product can get tripped up by needing to be objective.
          I always write the copy for my own products.

          But for my next two launches, I'm going with a fellow Warrior to write the copy. Sure, I'll give a video script a solid go, pay the money to get it produced and test against what the other copywriter produces, but it's worth seeing if someone else - who isn't so close to the project - can convert better than me.

          Business owners always have that option too - if they have enough of a copy background to pull it off.

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  • Profile picture of the author seobro
    I have found that outsiders are better than me. That is because I am too close to my own service. OK so an outsider can see the big picture and not focus on trivial little details in the image. That said, I can often improve on their copy. Get a good author to write your story and make it awesome. Often you can add more benefits and additional copy. However, the first few lines of text must hook the buyer or you will not sell to any one.
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  • Profile picture of the author copyassassin
    real business owners don't have enough time to spend with their families; they sure don't have enough time to learn copy.

    plus, an experienced copywriter knows what works and what doesn't in certain niches. they have insider information

    (hint: if you have insider knowledge, of course don't comprise anybody, but let people know you do (even if you can't reveal it))

    i think it all comes down to this:
    • value of your time
    • cash on hand
    • scale of project (ie, national product with high revenue potential, or some ebook)
    • enjoy writing
    • time capacity
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    • Profile picture of the author MyNewMama
      It really depends on your circumstances.

      If you're not good at it, then leave it to a pro if you have some money that you can invest in good copy.

      However, if you really don't have any money and you can write copy yourself, then do it yourself. No one will care more about your product or service more than YOU will. That's just a fact.

      In the end, testing will be the key to converting as high as possible.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mark Pescetti
      Originally Posted by copyassassin View Post

      real business owners don't have enough time to spend with their families; they sure don't have enough time to learn copy.

      plus, an experienced copywriter knows what works and what doesn't in certain niches. they have insider information

      (hint: if you have insider knowledge, of course don't comprise anybody, but let people know you do (even if you can't reveal it))

      i think it all comes down to this:
      • value of your time
      • cash on hand
      • scale of project (ie, national product with high revenue potential, or some ebook)
      • enjoy writing
      • time capacity
      I tend to agree with everything you said.

      A lot of business owners, especially the big mailers, don't have ANY time for copy. Thus, outsourcing is their only option - if they want any kind of life beyond marketing their product.

      Then again...

      There are quite a few extremely successful sales letters/videos/AR's out there, including CB's #1 control, that are written by the owner.

      Here's something else to think about:

      Copywriters used to be revered. And there weren't nearly as many copywriters a few decades ago, pre-internet, as there are right now. These days, some dude picks up The Ultimate Sales Letter and thinks he's equipped with the tools to take people's money and make their dreams, a reality.

      So finding the RIGHT copywriter is more challenging than ever - because a HUGE amount of the people out there saying they can write a winning control are full of digested food.

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  • I'm shocked!

    After 28 years in the wonderful world of copywriting...

    The Ultimate Sales Letter is still one of the best books to learn the noble craft.

    It's great value at around $10.00.


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    • Profile picture of the author Mark Pescetti
      Originally Posted by Steve The Copywriter View Post

      I'm shocked!

      After 28 years in the wonderful world of copywriting...

      The Ultimate Sales Letter is still one of the best books to learn the noble craft.

      It's great value at around $10.00.


      Steve
      Steve, Steve, Steve...

      Funny story:

      A client who recently found me on Craigslist pre-qualified me by asking if I had read The Ultimate Sales Letter or took any Dan Kennedy courses.

      I made him into a Mark Pescetti follower by trumping Dan Kennedy's old Problem, Agitate, Solve formula with my own emotional algorithm. He was blown away. I'll share it here one day;-)

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  • Kennedy has expanded his P A S formula over the years...

    But we should be told all about the Pescetti Power Formula (c) pescetti industries inc.


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    • Profile picture of the author Mark Pescetti
      Originally Posted by Steve The Copywriter View Post

      Kennedy has expanded his P A S formula over the years...

      But we should be told all about the Pescetti Power Formula (c) pescetti industries inc.


      Steve
      I'll add it to my product creation list. ;-)
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  • No good having the PPF languishing in the "to do" list.

    Where it may never see the light of day.

    Publish and reap the rewards.


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  • Profile picture of the author TerryX
    Learning a new skill such as writing copy is fun and valuable. It will serve you for many years. I always think our best investment is in our self.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jesse Helms
    I'm just getting started in this aspect of IM, is there any must read or must view things anyone can suggest? sorry if im jackin your thread, just really good info, and smart folks on here!
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    • Profile picture of the author Enfusia
      Originally Posted by Jesse Helms View Post

      I'm just getting started in this aspect of IM, is there any must read or must view things anyone can suggest? sorry if im jackin your thread, just really good info, and smart folks on here!
      If your new to IM then my suggestions are:

      1. Beware the shiny, shiny. That is to say the promise of big money with no work or in no time flat or by pushing this big red button or by exploiting this loophole. 99.9% of the time utter BS.

      2. Learn how to create your own products and build sites. Then hire people like us to do your copy. Yes, copywriting is likely the top skill you can learn but it's also the one with the largest learning curve. Unless you're gifted at it you're money will be better spent farming it out.

      3. Learn how to legitimately get traffic from you tube, guest blogging etc...

      Run that traffic at the site with your killer copy selling your amazing product that gives more value than the price, sell your product and build a list.

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