Need Help Dialing in a Headline

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Hey guys I need some help with a headline for a client.

Here's the headline targeting car dealerships and the product is for the service department

NOTE: "Fixed-Ops" is basically referring to the service department of a dealership and "traffic" actually means cars coming into the service drive not internet traffic (more info below) -

"Introducing a Revolutionary New System That Drives Traffic, Skyrockets Fixed-Ops Profits by as Much as 407%,, Raises CSI Scores 4-5 Points, Boosts Retention and Can Give You Your Best Month EVER in Just 90 Days… GUARANTEED!”

Now, the owner of the dealership is the buyer and the service manager is the user, and often the one who will get the owner to make the purchase. The list this sales page will be going out to is a mixed list of BOTH dealers and service managers.

The main benefits the client wants that this program delivers are:

- Increased sales (but my client didn't think we should put it in the headline as everything that's in the MEANS increased sales)
- Getting traffic (actual cars coming into the drive)
- Increasing fixed-ops profits
- Increasing CSI scores (customer satisfaction scores)
- The managers want job security (which all the benefits in the headline gives them)
- More retention (which equals more sales)

A few important notes:

- His clients always say he has the "new stuff" ... this is important to him because the industry has been using the same ineffective systems for 40 years and they WANT a "new system" and that idea excites them - they're sick of the same old same old

- My client has PROOF of these results, which will be on the sales page, he normally gets $384,000 for consulting a dealership, but has packaged his systems into an info-course, which is what we're selling for $2997 or $3497 and is what this sales page will be for

- Even though he has proof of results, he is concerned that dealers will immediately discount these results as unbelievable and leave the page/not buy

- His USP for the product is "NAME OF PRODUCT Gives You Your Best Fixed-Ops Month Ever in 90 Days Guaranteed"

- There is a series of entertaining and valuable pre-launch videos going out to his list, which many of of the visitors to sales page will have viewed these videos before getting the page (typical big launch type stuff)

- He says when he sells his 6-figure consulting that it's always ego and feelings that sell and they shy away when he talks about specific results - the 60-65 year old dealers (the buyers) want to impress their buddies who are also dealers by selling more cars than them (which a successful service department leads to) and the 40-50 yer old managers (the users) want job security, bigger paychecks, less stress and more time to spend with their 2.3 children) ... however he doesn't want anything about selling more cars or job security in the headline since it's a mixed list, which makes sense. These things ARE addressed in the copy, but we don't want to create an immediate disconnect with either segment by putting them in the headline

Here's an option for a headline I wrote that doesn't have the some BIG specific promises, and leads with a "way" instead of a "system" .. but it IS more believable to his market, yet not as powerful:

"Finally! A Way To Drive More Traffic, Skyrocket Fixed-Ops Profits, Raise CSI Scores, Boost Retention and Have Your Best Month EVER in Just 90 Days… GUARANTEED!”

I appreciate any input you guys might have on dialing in this headline based on the info in this post

thanks a ton in advance
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  • Profile picture of the author The Copy Nazi
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    You want us to do the gig for you? While you take the credit. Pass.
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    • Profile picture of the author Outlaw123
      hey man, was just looking for input on better way to word a headline and wanted to give all the info I could to get the best input - since the info is relevant/important and without it I'm not sure the feedback i'd get would be very helpful

      Maybe I went about the way I wrote my post wrong or this isn't a forum to ask for feeback like this on, if I broke the etiquette of this forum, which I am new to, definitely my bad

      Not trying to take credit for anyone else's work that's for sure big guy... was just looking for some simple input

      I should probably re-read your guy's rules again for future postings, I do get a little ADHD and tend to miss stuff

      Now, if anyone knows of a place where I CAN post something like this and get feedback, please let me know - I'd appreciate it a ton, could be a paid forum or whatever, doesn't need to be a free one like this

      thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author Cool Hand Luke
    WAAAAAY too much going on in that headline. Narrow your focus, bud.
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  • Profile picture of the author CovertCopywriting
    I have to agree with The Copy Nazi to an extent, but people have given me 2 cents in the past, so here's mine.

    A headline is always introducing something, that's why it's in bold at the start of a piece.

    IntroducING is also known to be the weakest way to start literally anything, don't ING anything, apart from, well, anything, if you can avoid it.

    What's wrong with:

    Skyrocket Your Fixed-Ops Profits by 407% in 90 days, GUARANTEED.

    That's a headline. You have an opening paragraph masquerading as a headline.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alex Cohen
      You've posted information that may be of value to your client's competition. It could very well include insights they're not aware of.

      Not a smart thing to do... this is a public forum.

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  • I'm all for power words.

    But there may be a touch too many for the dealerships to comfortably and emotionally digest.

    And a 36 word headline - even if you don't mean it to - either sounds hypey, desperate (or both).

    If you're doing a "benefit" headline the power of 3 works well.


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  • Profile picture of the author JohnRussell
    How about..

    Doubles Fixed-Ops In 90 Days

    As long as they'll guarantee that or at least make a strong case for it.
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    • Profile picture of the author CovertCopywriting
      Yep, you're kind of overegging the pudding a every stage.

      This is, in essence, a B2B offer, is it not? You've applied every Get Rich Quick Scheme plan you've ever seen in one hit when you'll probably have much more success with a toned down and professional approach.

      Looking at it again I'd go with: How I Increased Fixed-Ops Profits 407% in 90 Days

      That's it.

      Now you've had 4 cents
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  • Profile picture of the author Scott McKinstry
    Keep in mind that your headline needs to sell just one thing: the rest of the ad.

    What kind of headline will force a manager to read the rest of the ad? As you mentioned, job security is big. So why not warn him that he might be doing something wrong -- something that could cost him his job?

    And what'll make the dealer read on? Like you said, he wants to outsell his buddies.

    I think your best bet then is to find a trigger that will appeal to both groups.

    How's about something like:

    Is your decrepit fixed-op "system" scaring your customers into the clutches of another dealer?

    (Or:
    How many customers did you lose to another dealer this month alone because of your faulty fixed-ops "system"? )


    Then you lead into a relevant story where a faulty service dept. lost new car sales, or some facts that show a correlation between good CSI's and high dealership sales, etc.
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  • Profile picture of the author lotsofsnow
    Originally Posted by Outlaw123 View Post

    - He says when he sells his 6-figure consulting that it's always ego and feelings that sell and they shy away when he talks about specific results - the 60-65 year old dealers (the buyers) want to impress their buddies who are also dealers by selling more cars than them (which a successful service department leads to) and the 40-50 yer old managers (the users) want job security, bigger paychecks, less stress and more time to spend with their 2.3 children) ... however he doesn't want anything about selling more cars or job security in the headline since it's a mixed list, which makes sense. These things ARE addressed in the copy, but we don't want to create an immediate disconnect with either segment by putting them in the headline


    Your headline is the attempt to sell to a professional buyer. Will most likely have lame results.

    A headline that tries to sell will sell nothing.

    So, why don't you draft a headline that talks to the ego?
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    • the headline he has is not bad.

      nothing wrong with trying to sell.

      it has news, it as curiosity, it has an appeal,

      just needs to be shortened,
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      • Profile picture of the author The Copy Nazi
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        Originally Posted by Quality Copywriter View Post

        the headline he has is not bad.

        nothing wrong with trying to sell.

        it has news, it as curiosity, it has an appeal,

        just needs to be shortened,
        This one?
        "Finally! A Way To Drive More Traffic, Skyrocket Fixed-Ops Profits, Raise CSI Scores, Boost Retention and Have Your Best Month EVER in Just 90 Days... GUARANTEED!"
        It's a turkey.
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        • Profile picture of the author ThePromotionalGuy
          Pay close attention to what max5ty is saying here.

          I have worked with car dealers from little gypsy used car lots right on up to huge new car dealers for close to 26 years and he is giving you solid advice.

          The car business has been and will always be about "RESULTS". Plus you better have solid proof what you claim does deliver.

          If it does all that you say it does then this car dealer can brag his ass off to the other dealers especially at the auto auctions.

          One-Upmanship is the name of the game with car guys.
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  • Profile picture of the author max5ty
    Couple things about your post I'm wondering about...

    sounds like the person you're working with has more experience in the mechanic side of things then they do in the sales side.

    I started in the car business in the late 80's and worked my way up to eventually doing training seminars at dealerships. 3 day seminars at about $45,000.00 a pop, and was booked solid...so I know a little about the business.

    Unless someone has been in the car business, they don't understand the whole world of dealerships. It's one of the most lucrative, with one of the most extravagant lifestyles of any business. Flashy cars, expensive clothes, high dollar parties...private helicopters, mansions, etc., (not referring to the small time operations).

    Now...

    most dealers aren't trying to impress their friends in the business (like you say)...they're trying to outsell the competitor across town.

    Bob owns a Ford dealership. Larry across town owns a Chevrolet dealership. Larry goes to the factory auction and buys a bunch of factory program Fords and chops the price way down to steal Bob's customers. Bob goes out and buys factory program Chevys and chops the price to steal Larry's customers. The war is on.

    The only thing that stops the process is a good salesman. A customer will continue to shop until they meet a good salesman...the dude that stops them dead in their tracks. Same goes for sales letters, by the way. 100 people selling the same thing...one guy who knows how to sell gets the customers.

    Other thing I disagree with. 40 years using the same tactics? BS. Most big dealerships are on top of new things.

    Here's the banger...

    he doesn't want to tell results because he thinks they'll not believe them.

    Well...any dealer I know is all about results. Results from the sales department, and results from the service department. If he can't tell me about results without me doubting him, then he probably doesn't have some killer testimonials to back them up. Give any dealer some bold claims with real proven results to back them up and they'll give you a couple minutes to listen to your pitch.

    $384,000.00 for consulting and now he's gonna give away the program for about $3000.00? Suspicious. Sounds like the $384,000.00 thing wasn't working too good. If it was why would he fire sale the concept? 3 dealerships a year and your guys over a million in sales. $3000.00 and it's gonna take him over 300 dealerships to earn the same. 300 dealerships a year buying this...you better have some darn good selling skills...

    which brings me to this.

    He hired you. Seems you either have little knowledge about how to sell his idea...or/and have little knowledge of the business...

    which makes me wonder why someone with close to a half million dollar selling product would rely on someone who can't write a headline to sell it for him.

    Somethings not adding up here.

    Dealers get bombarded with someone wanting to sell them something to increase their revenue on a daily basis.

    You better hit them with a big benefit that blows their mind...best chance you have with the path your guy has decided to go down.

    Most are not going to visit a website and get excited enough to buy. You're gonna need some top notch selling skills...and usually it's face to face in the car business. Seems you're in trouble here.

    Not trying to be negative, just think you're outnumbered here with the guys that know how to get through to the movers and shakers in the car biz.
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      which brings me to this.

      He hired you. Seems you either have little knowledge about how to sell his idea...or/and have little knowledge of the business...

      which makes me wonder why someone with close to a half million dollar selling product would rely on someone who can't write a headline to sell it for him.

      Somethings not adding up here.

      /QUOTE]Bingo!

      BTW when I was writing radio copy... I once went to the launch of a new dealership where they had two nekked ladies serving the drinks. One a rottweiler... the other a stunner. I didn't know where to look. It was truly bizarre.
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      • Profile picture of the author ThePromotionalGuy
        Originally Posted by The Copy Nazi View Post

        BTW when I was writing radio copy... I once went to the launch of a new dealership where they had two nekked ladies serving the drinks. One a rottweiler... the other a stunner. I didn't know where to look. It was truly bizarre.
        TCN,

        Oh the stories I could tell. Car Dealers are like rock stars. Sex, Drugs, Money, Gambling, Strippers, Call Girls and that's only on slow days.

        Even though the industry is trying to clean up their image with Auto Malls and 5 Star customer service similiar to the hospitality industry it's still all about sell, sell, sell, and did I mention SELL YOUR FREAKIN ARSE OFF OR OUT THE DOOR YOU GO!
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        • Profile picture of the author max5ty
          Originally Posted by ThePromotionalGuy View Post

          TCN,

          Oh the stories I could tell. Car Dealers are like rock stars. Sex, Drugs, Money, Gambling, Strippers, Call Girls and that's only on slow days.

          Even though the industry is trying to clean up their image with Auto Malls and 5 Star customer service similiar to the hospitality industry it's still all about sell, sell, sell, and did I mention SELL YOUR FREAKIN ARSE OFF OR OUT THE DOOR YOU GO!
          And unfortunately it has a high mortality rate because of the stress of always trying to be better than the other guy...

          Can't even count the number of people who were super stars that got caught up in drugs and died early. Some truly sad stories.

          It's a lifestyle few would understand. The money gets so boring after awhile...and the chase of more seems like an excuse to live recklessly.
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  • Profile picture of the author ThePromotionalGuy
    Outlaw123,

    "Introducing a Revolutionary New System That Drives Traffic, Skyrockets Fixed-Ops Profits by as Much as 407%,, Raises CSI Scores 4-5 Points, Boosts Retention and Can Give You Your Best Month EVER in Just 90 Days... GUARANTEED!"


    Take your headline apart. Way too much going on. Remember it's always about results with car guys.

    "What Would A 200, 300 or 407% Increase In Fixed-Ops Profits Do For Your Dealership?"

    If you are targeting service dept managers just change one word in the headline

    "What Would A 200, 300 or 407% Increase In Fixed-Ops Profits Do For Your Service Department?"

    My reason for this headline is that it is B2B. The target audience is well versed in the topic and doesn't need to be sold like a consumer.
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  • Profile picture of the author sethczerepak
    Originally Posted by Outlaw123 View Post

    "Introducing a Revolutionary New System That Drives Traffic, Skyrockets Fixed-Ops Profits by as Much as 407%,, Raises CSI Scores 4-5 Points, Boosts Retention and Can Give You Your Best Month EVER in Just 90 Days... GUARANTEED!"
    I just passed out trying to read this in one breath. I awoke on the floor with a vision of Jack Trout's "Law of Singularity" swimming in my head.

    Get "22 Immutable Laws of Marketing," Law 16. Or Michael Masterson's "Great Leads," Law of one. That's the first thing you're missing.
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    • Profile picture of the author ewenmack
      Outlaw, can your client name drop?

      As in name big companies your list would know?

      If so drop them in the headline so you get built in proof and
      it ignites their competitive ego.

      But whatever you do, don't add it to the existing one!

      Best,
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    • Profile picture of the author ewenmack
      Originally Posted by sethczerepak View Post


      Get "22 Immutable Laws of Marketing," Law 16.
      Here's a primer...
      Best,
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  • What a deal you go out and find a client to pay for a gig then you come one warrior forum
    and get us to do the work for your client and get nothing.
    Wow how is that working for you?
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  • Profile picture of the author RickDuris
    Sorry to burst anyone's bubble, but sales letters to dealerships are a HORRIBLE waste of time and money.

    Your best strategy is to return your Client's money. Have them invest the funds someplace else.

    Here's why:

    First, the dealership turnover is incredibly high. So high in fact, even if you call before you mail, the person you address the letter to could be gone by the time the letter hits.

    Second, the letter is much more likely to end up in the circular file cabinet before the service manager or GM ever has a chance to read any headline no matter how great.

    My company has sent direct mail to over 20,000 new and used car dealers (there are just over 50,000 in the USA doing over $700 billion a year in sales). Results were pathetic.

    One test we mailed 2,000 sales letters. We were so desperate to make contact, we offered $100 just to meet. The sale letters basically just asked for 5 minutes of their time.

    Zero takers.

    Lumpy mail fared a bit better. But when we asked about the $100 letters, all we got were blank stares. "What $100 letter?"

    That's when we knew.

    It was obvious none of our previous efforts made it to our intended target, or if they did, they were not opened or read. We mailed all sorts of things. Bank bags, treasure chests, compasses and trash cans. Even fully functional cell phones.

    (TIP: You can buy cheap $5 cell phones from Tracfone. Promo code: FRIEND1. They were the most successful.)

    The bottom line is we learned the hard way Service Managers, Special Finance Managers, General Managers and Owner/Principals... they're all in professional sales. They engage in toe-to-toe sales every single day.

    A sales letter is a waste of time with these guys. They only respect those willing to pick up the phone or walk into the dealership.

    So if you suck at personal sales, it's easy to get discouraged.

    By the way, their problem is NEVER "we need PPC" or "we need SMS" or "a new website" or whatever.

    What they need are MORE PROFITS. Period. If you can't deliver that, move along, son.

    Between the Service Manager, Special Finance Manager, General Manager and Owner/Principal... the Service Manager and Special Finance Manager are usually the easiest people at a new car dealership to speak and meet with. They usually have their own budget for profit-generating endeavors (although the GM or Owner/Principal may have to approve.)

    So do a good job, under promise and over deliver and the door will be open to other areas of the dealership.

    Understand that a service department that brings in enough revenue to cover all of a dealership's overhead is A TREASURE (known as 100% Service Absorption). And THAT Service Manager will have pretty decent job security.

    Sorry to be such a Negative Nelly, this is one area I'm intimately familiar with.

    I have scars. And I'm happy help others avoid a similar experience.

    - Rick Duris

    PS: We WERE able to crack the code and sign-up dealerships en mass. It took two years. But not with direct mail. That's a story for another day.
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    • Profile picture of the author max5ty
      Originally Posted by RickDuris View Post


      Sorry to burst anyone's bubble, but sales letters to dealerships are a HORRIBLE waste of time and money.
      True. Pretty much what I said...they buy with face to face sales.

      The turnover is usually the biggest among sales people. GMs, Sales Managers, Service Managers usually hang around.

      Thing is, as I mentioned, these dealerships get hammered on a daily basis from everyone wanting to sell them something.

      When you're trying to sell to those who sell...you need to be pretty sharp.
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      • Profile picture of the author RickDuris
        Originally Posted by max5ty View Post

        The turnover is usually the biggest among sales people. GMs, Sales Managers, Service Managers usually hang around.
        That may have been true 30 years ago in your little microcosm of the world Max5ty, but in today's world, nationwide, if you do not perform, if your department does not perform, your ass is gone.

        No one's job is safe in a dealership (unless their Daddy owns the dealership. Which means they have a Ph.D. "Papa Has a Dealership".)

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        • Profile picture of the author max5ty
          Originally Posted by RickDuris View Post


          That may have been true 30 years ago in your little microcosm of the world Max5ty, but in today's world, nationwide, if you do not perform, if your department does not perform, your ass is gone.

          - Rick Duris
          Yeah, seems to be a common theme in the whole business world

          What has changed in my little microcosm (your phrase), is the rise of the internet. It's created a lot of changes in the car biz.

          Profit seems to have switched more to the backend...but that's another show.
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          • Profile picture of the author RickDuris
            Originally Posted by max5ty View Post

            Yeah, seems to be a common theme in the whole business world

            What has changed in my little microcosm (your phrase), is the rise of the internet. It's created a lot of changes in the car biz.

            Profit seems to have switched more to the backend...but that's another show.
            You might find this informative as well as entertaining...

            http://www.hulu.com/watch/601245

            It's a show called "The Profit". In this recent episode, Marcus (a business investor) turns around a failing dealership.

            Here's a series focused solely helping on auto dealerships:

            Car Lot Rescue | Car Dealership Renovation | Spike

            Also Grant Cardone got in the business a few years ago with his show Turnaround King.

            http://thedealergeek.com/the-turnaro...s-reality-show

            Grant is extremely popular with dealership sales guys.

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  • Profile picture of the author shirleyleeman18
    'm all for power words.

    But there may be a touch too many for the dealerships to comfortably and emotionally digest.

    And a 36 word headline - even if you don't mean it to - either sounds hypey, desperate (or both).
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