Can I ask questions about classic swipe files here?

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I'm not asking questions here for freebie advice on my own copy.
I've recently started a habit of reviewing classic swipe files.
However, I got some questions that I have a hard time figuring out, and finding analysis on the same swipe files online.
Is this an appropriate place to ask for feedback on the analysis?

Thanks in advance. Feel free to delete if this question isn't appropriate.
#classic #files #questions #swipe
  • Profile picture of the author BrianMcLeod
    Originally Posted by stanigator View Post

    Is this an appropriate place to ask for feedback on the analysis?
    Absolutely, this is an appropriate place.

    Just be mindful of who's giving the feedback/analysis.
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    • Profile picture of the author jimbo13
      Well I have one which is I think has not been asked.

      Many times I have seen that people should study classic sales letters going back decades.

      Which is fine.

      However does one really get the subtleties of that letter?

      A copywriter in the 1960's writing to a prospect in the 1960's knew exactly who he was writing to, what motivating factors there were, etc etc.

      Reading that Ad now in 2014 it is unlikely the reader (student) is thinking about the audience at that time.

      You can see the mechanics of the letter but do you try and think of who they were writing to as well?

      I hope that makes some kind of sense, apologies if not.

      Was something I was curious about. (I'm not a Copywriter but you are Mr McLeod so do you?)

      Dan
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      • Profile picture of the author Alex Cohen
        Originally Posted by jimbo13 View Post

        Well I have one which is I think has not been asked.

        Many times I have seen that people should study classic sales letters going back decades.

        Which is fine.

        However does one really get the subtleties of that letter?

        A copywriter in the 1960's writing to a prospect in the 1960's knew exactly who he was writing to, what motivating factors there were, etc etc.

        Reading that Ad now in 2014 it is unlikely the reader (student) is thinking about the audience at that time.

        You can see the mechanics of the letter but do you try and think of who they were writing to as well?

        I hope that makes some kind of sense, apologies if not.

        Was something I was curious about. (I'm not a Copywriter but you are Mr McLeod so do you?)

        Dan
        Human emotions haven't changed... the same emotions that drove prospects in the 1960s drive people today.

        What has changed is the culture... and so the conversation going on in the prospect's mind is different.

        Here's an over-simplified example: over-the-counter pain relief

        In the 1960s, it was pretty much a choice between the different aspirin brands. Now days there are numerous ways to obtain pain relief.

        So the emotion driving the prospect to obtain pain relief is the same. But the thought process to obtain relief is different.

        As you read the older swipes, if you keep this in mind, it will be fairly easy to see both.

        Alex
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  • Profile picture of the author stanigator
    Dan,

    You brought up a good point about thinking about the audience at the times. How do you suggest doing that? By reading history books and asking old folks?
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    • Profile picture of the author jimbo13
      I don't know.

      I was just wondering if Copywriters when reading a classic Ad take this sort of thing into account.

      Many Ads that were successful in the past would fail dismally now which is why they are not run anymore.

      So reading them is fine but there will be certain lines in the Copy that maybe you don't notice as key now that would have been then.

      Maybe I am wrong.

      Naturally I can't think of any examples as I am not a Copywriter with some sort of swipe file.

      Dan

      PS: It is your thread so I presume you have a load of questions.
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    • Profile picture of the author gjabiz
      Originally Posted by stanigator View Post

      Dan,

      You brought up a good point about thinking about the audience at the times. How do you suggest doing that? By reading history books and asking old folks?
      Today, there are a growing number of people profiting from the idea of making appeals to the reptile brain (Crocodile, dragon, frog, lizard etc. etc.) which has the four F's as its basis. Freeze. Flee. Fight or F**k.

      Oren Klaff is one of the leading names in this "new" psychology of persuasion.

      Truth is, our habits may be changing rapidly but our brain hasn't evolved all that much in the last couple of millennia so you really don't need to know the current events of the day unless the appeal was timely and topical.

      The appeal of snake oil of the late 1800's and early Twentieth century are pert near the same appeals made today by the supplement companies.

      So, my opinion, when you study classic advertising, look for the appeals to basic human nature. I ask my students (when I had them) to start with A. Maslow and study the Pyramid. Then look to Primary PreOccupations.

      IF you do this then make sure the ad you study was one that worked, and for the most part RESULTS are hard to come by.

      But, it doesn't hurt to know the times too. Long term storage food was a boom during the cold war, especially around the time of the Cuban missile crisis, which mirrors much of today's pitches of the survival, oops, xcuse me...the Preppers and instead of big bad Russia, they simply substitute Obama.

      Friends, Romans and Countrymen, lend me your ears...and V. Van Gogh took it literally.

      The psychology of human behavior is much the same as it was in Plato's day.

      gjabiz

      PS. So ask away, some of us have been around forever.
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  • Profile picture of the author stanigator
    Thanks. I'll reorganize my notes and start a new thread for each ad.
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  • Profile picture of the author stanigator
    While we're at it, if I were to swipe modern ad copies, where would you suggest me to look? Late night infomercials, Reader's Digest, Cosmopolitan magazines, especially ads pulling in a lot of money?
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