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Learn to use the SEARCH function. It is your friend!

by Dean Dhuli
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Over the last few days and weeks, we've frequently seen people
start new threads on topics that have already been discussed
numerous times before.

The most recent of these was the long copy vs short copy thread.

See, the problem is that while you could be asking a particular question
for the first time, it's very much likely that the topic has already been
discussed many times before on the forum.

But when copywriters like myself point that out... or make a light humorous
post about it... we instantly get replies chiding us for being rude, mean,
heartless, and not willing to help, etc.

Please understand that we're willing to help and share all that
we know about copywriting and marketing.

But then, there's no point in discussing the same topic for 5 days in a
week by opening multiple threads with different titles... and then starting
another thread on it after a short gap just a few days later.

After all, even we copywriters can get tired and bored of answering
the same questions again and again. Spare some thought for us too.

So please make use of the forum search function and find out if there's
already a thread on the topic you're looking for.

The good thing for you is that if it's a frequently discussed topic, you'll
have hundreds of ready replies to view in a fraction of a second instead of
waiting for others to reply to your thread.

If there isn't any thread addressing your problem, then start one and we'd
be glad to reply.

Use this link to get started:
http://www.warriorforum.com/search.php



Hope this helps,

Dean
#friend #function #learn #search
  • Profile picture of the author thegoddessofeleven
    Originally Posted by Dean Dhuli View Post

    But when copywriters like myself point that out... or make a light humorous
    post about it... we instantly get replies chiding us for being rude, mean,
    heartless, and not willing to help, etc.

    Please understand that we're willing to help and share all that
    we know about copywriting and marketing.

    But then, there's no point in discussing the same topic for 5 days in a
    week by opening multiple threads with different titles... and then starting
    another thread on it after a short gap just a few days later.

    After all, even we copywriters can get tired and bored of answering
    the same questions again and again. Spare some thought for us too.

    I understand the sentiment but, if you've already discussed a topic five times in the past six weeks, wouldn't it make more sense to ignore the new threads said topic rather than feel imposed on by their presence? I'm sure MUCH new information has been shared with this forum due to new posts on old topics.
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    • Profile picture of the author BrianMcLeod
      Originally Posted by thegoddessofeleven View Post

      I understand the sentiment but, if you've already discussed a topic five times in the past six weeks, wouldn't it make more sense to ignore the new threads said topic rather than feel imposed on by their presence?
      I see zero benefit whatsoever from pro copywriters that hang out here ignoring threads in the Copywriting Forum so that newbs can ask redundant questions without impediment.

      I'm sure MUCH new information has been shared with this forum due to new posts on old topics.
      Sure has... And lots of information is shared by resurrecting old threads too.

      But all of that is secondary to the root issue:

      OP has a question or concern... The answer is sitting there waiting for them already. All they have to do is hit the Search menu.

      Also, once you've read oh say 5 or 10 of Long Copy or Short Copy threads, you realize that the person posting about it rarely has a genuine question. Rather, they usually just have an opinion or buying preference that they feel compelled to share, often with great fury signifying nothing.

      Best,

      Brian
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  • Profile picture of the author MaskedMarketer
    what about banning someone for 24 hours for not following the rules? sounds fair
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    • Profile picture of the author BrianMcLeod
      Originally Posted by MaskedMarketer View Post

      what about banning someone for 24 hours for not following the rules? sounds fair
      For the most part, this place is a self-cleaning oven.

      Some trolls do make you wish for a "reach through monitor and choke" button though.

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      • Profile picture of the author Gambbit
        Originally Posted by MaskedMarketer View Post

        what about banning someone for 24 hours for not following the rules? sounds fair
        That sounds a bit harsh. For someone who is new, he may not know this search function yet and may ask a question that has been there several times. Proper guidance can only help.

        Originally Posted by Dean Dhuli View Post

        Over the last few days and weeks, we've frequently seen people
        start new threads on topics that have already been discussed
        numerous times before.

        The most recent of these was the long copy vs short copy thread.

        See, the problem is that while you could be asking a particular question
        for the first time, it's very much likely that the topic has already been
        discussed many times before on the forum.

        But when copywriters like myself point that out... or make a light humorous
        post about it... we instantly get replies chiding us for being rude, mean,
        heartless, and not willing to help, etc.

        Please understand that we're willing to help and share all that
        we know about copywriting and marketing.

        But then, there's no point in discussing the same topic for 5 days in a
        week by opening multiple threads with different titles... and then starting
        another thread on it after a short gap just a few days later.

        After all, even we copywriters can get tired and bored of answering
        the same questions again and again. Spare some thought for us too.

        So please make use of the forum search function and find out if there's
        already a thread on the topic you're looking for.

        The good thing for you is that if it's a frequently discussed topic, you'll
        have hundreds of ready replies to view in a fraction of a second instead of
        waiting for others to reply to your thread.

        If there isn't any thread addressing your problem, then start one and we'd
        be glad to reply.

        Use this link to get started:
        http://www.warriorforum.com/search.php



        Hope this helps,

        Dean
        I'd vote making this a sticky. Would save a lot of people a lot of time.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dean Dhuli
    wouldn't it make more sense to ignore the new threads said topic rather than feel imposed on by their presence?
    Well, what purpose does it serve if people start ignoring threads
    because the topic has already been discussed before.

    The whole idea is to get more people to participate in the discussion
    so that knowledge is passed on to others.


    Also, with the creativity in some thread titles, it's easy to not be able to find the very thread you need with the search function.
    I don't know about you, but I've always found what I was
    looking for when I used the search function.

    Just give it a try, it works really well.


    Thanks,
    Dean.
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  • Profile picture of the author Emily Meeks
    Don't ban, don't ignore, just post a link to the thread where there's already a lot of generated discussion.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dean Dhuli
      Originally Posted by moneysoapbox View Post

      Don't ban, don't ignore, just post a link to the thread where there's already a lot of generated discussion.
      So in your opinion all members here are the thread poster's assistants?

      If a guy is too lazy to find those threads himself, why should a copywriter
      who makes five figures per copy... or anybody else for that matter... do that
      for him?




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      • Profile picture of the author Emily Meeks
        Originally Posted by Dean Dhuli View Post

        So in your opinion all members here are the thread poster's assistants?

        If a guy is too lazy to find those threads himself, why should a copywriter
        who makes five figures per copy... or anybody else for that matter... do that
        for him?




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      • Profile picture of the author Revolves
        Originally Posted by Dean Dhuli View Post

        So in your opinion all members here are the thread poster's assistants?

        If a guy is too lazy to find those threads himself, why should a copywriter
        who makes five figures per copy... or anybody else for that matter... do that
        for him?
        I think having information regarding the search feature should be added in the PM that new members get on signing up. This way, they'd catch their attention more than sticky threads.

        And no one's anyone's assistant here. I do believe people should start becoming less lazy. But if someone doesn't want to post a link to a thread, then don't. No one's forcing. Remember, one's helpfulness in the forum solely depends upon the quality of his post, neither his income, nor his profession.
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        • Profile picture of the author Dean Dhuli
          Originally Posted by Revolves View Post

          I think having information regarding the search feature should be added in the PM that new members get on signing up. This way, they'd catch their attention more than sticky threads.
          The 'net has been around for so many years now that it's hard to even think
          there are still people who don't know about the search feature.

          Of course, there may be some who don't, but more people are net savvy these
          days and the search function is a part of almost every big website.

          So IMHO, it's just laziness on the part of the person to search the old
          threads for answers...

          Or they just think they can start a new thread... even if it's on a
          frequently discussed topic... and start becoming a part of the community
          that way.

          And no one's anyone's assistant here. I do believe people should start becoming less lazy. But if someone doesn't want to post a link to a thread, then don't. No one's forcing. Remember, one's helpfulness in the forum solely depends upon the quality of his post, neither his income, nor his profession.
          You're totally right!

          No one's forcing anybody to do anything. This is just a suggestion.
          Whether you use the search function or not is eventually up to you.

          But the point here is that all important topics have already been
          discussed before, and you can gain ample knowledge by simply going
          through those threads.

          Suppose if a member has made high quality post in one of the threads
          on a particular topic, do you think he will keep replying to every thread
          started on the same topic with the same post?

          In fact, he might not reply at all to some of these threads.

          In that case, would you not miss out on that high quality post by not
          seeing the old thread?

          That's what I've been trying to say.

          And like I said, if no threads exists on a particular topic, then people will
          be more than happy to reply and share their knowledge with everybody.




          Take care,
          Dean.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bill Jeffels
    Originally Posted by Dean Dhuli View Post

    Over the last few days and weeks, we've frequently seen people
    start new threads on topics that have already been discussed
    numerous times before.

    The most recent of these was the long copy vs short copy thread.

    See, the problem is that while you could be asking a particular question
    for the first time, it's very much likely that the topic has already been
    discussed many times before on the forum.

    But when copywriters like myself point that out... or make a light humorous
    post about it... we instantly get replies chiding us for being rude, mean,
    heartless, and not willing to help, etc.

    Please understand that we're willing to help and share all that
    we know about copywriting and marketing.

    But then, there's no point in discussing the same topic for 5 days in a
    week by opening multiple threads with different titles... and then starting
    another thread on it after a short gap just a few days later.

    After all, even we copywriters can get tired and bored of answering
    the same questions again and again. Spare some thought for us too.

    So please make use of the forum search function and find out if there's
    already a thread on the topic you're looking for.

    The good thing for you is that if it's a frequently discussed topic, you'll
    have hundreds of ready replies to view in a fraction of a second instead of
    waiting for others to reply to your thread.

    If there isn't any thread addressing your problem, then start one and we'd
    be glad to reply.

    Use this link to get started:




    Hope this helps,

    Dean
    Hi Dean

    Thank you for posting this link for the search function it look's like it will be a handy tool.

    And regarding the Long Copy vs Shortcopy , any one asking this question should be directed to one of John Carlton's 20+ page sale's letter's.

    Thank's again

    Bill Jeffels
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