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I'm sure most of you have heard by now... Robin Williams has died. He suffered from depression for many years and took his own life.

Now, you're probably thinking... "What the heck does this have to do with copywriting?"

Great question.

If I was one of the depression/suicide help companies, I would be getting all of my ads, emails, postcards, everything with a picture of Robin Williams and a headline... "Don't Be The Next Victim Of Suicide: If you or someone you know is suffering from depression and thinking about suicide call xxx-xxx-xxxx Before it's too late."

I would get all of these ads out NOW. It would really hit the emotional button.

This is what I would do. Thoughts?
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  • Profile picture of the author angiecolee
    The family might have a problem with you using his likeness without permission.

    While I do agree that it is generally a good strategy to be timely and relevant, I think this kind of marketing is pretty tacky. Personal opinion.
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    • Profile picture of the author AmericanMuscleTA
      [QUOTE=angiecolee;9434355]The family might have a problem with you using his likeness without permission.QUOTE]

      Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Angie! You may be right.

      Maybe they would be ok with it if it could save someone else's life.

      How many of us know someone who is depressed and has talked about suicide? I'd say quite a few of us.

      How many of us think, "Oh, it'll never happen to me." I'm sure most of us.

      Then, you get the call that so and so just committed suicide and you think you could have done something to prevent it.

      An ad, like the one I described above, is hitting an emotion while it's fresh in people's head. Though, almost all of us have never met Robin Williams, it affects our lives, especially if we know someone who is depressed and thinking about suicide.

      It's like a roofing company... the smart roofers will have pre-designed postcards ready to go out after strong winds/tornado blows through and damages the roofs of houses. Storm comes through, next day postcards are in the mail. Cha-Ching to the roofer.

      No trollolololol'ing over here, Cam Connor! haha It's definitely sad, it was very talented. We never know what these entertainers go through on a daily basis. I'm sure it's more than we'll ever know.
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  • Profile picture of the author Cam Connor
    Originally Posted by AmericanMuscleTA View Post

    I'm sure most of you have heard by now... Robin Williams has died. He suffered from depression for many years and took his own life.

    Now, you're probably thinking... "What the heck does this have to do with copywriting?"

    Great question.

    If I was one of the depression/suicide help companies, I would be getting all of my ads, emails, postcards, everything with a picture of Robin Williams and a headline... "Don't Be The Next Victim Of Suicide: If you or someone you know is suffering from depression and thinking about suicide call xxx-xxx-xxxx Before it's too late."

    I would get all of these ads out NOW. It would really hit the emotional button.

    This is what I would do. Thoughts?

    This is terrible news, even though I wasn't a huge Robin Williams fan, he was extremely talented, and he always seemed so happy. It sounds bizarre to me that he would commit suicide, I'd never heard that he was depressed.

    If anyone's looking for a great movie to watch, which Robin stars in, check out "The Dead Poet's Society" ... truly a classic, and appropriate, now more than ever.
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    • Profile picture of the author TicketRaven
      Very sad. I'll never forget him in the role of Mork . . . I used to wait for that show to come on when I was like 8 years old. I am 43 yrs. old now and I happen to see Robin Williams at Mohegan Sun, Connecticut last year - he was very funny, smart, and so quick with the jokes as everyone is talking about tonight on the news. Thank you for the memories Mr. Williams :-(
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    Originally Posted by AmericanMuscleTA View Post

    I'm sure most of you have heard by now... Robin Williams has died. He suffered from depression for many years and took his own life.

    Now, you're probably thinking... "What the heck does this have to do with copywriting?"

    Great question.

    If I was one of the depression/suicide help companies, I would be getting all of my ads, emails, postcards, everything with a picture of Robin Williams and a headline... "Don't Be The Next Victim Of Suicide: If you or someone you know is suffering from depression and thinking about suicide call xxx-xxx-xxxx Before it's too late."

    I would get all of these ads out NOW. It would really hit the emotional button.

    This is what I would do. Thoughts?

    That's a bit of a morbid thought to have after somebody just died.
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    • Profile picture of the author AmericanMuscleTA
      Originally Posted by UnkwnUsr View Post

      That's a bit of a morbid thought to have after somebody just died.
      Just turning a negative into a positive and a lesson for us all.
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      • Profile picture of the author BrianMcLeod
        Originally Posted by AmericanMuscleTA View Post

        Just turning a negative into a positive and a lesson for us all.
        I sense your heart being in the right place about this...

        ...but I'm compelled to comment that misappropriating a celebrity's name and likeness, even for "the common good", is disastrously bad marketing advice.

        A) It creates significant legally actionable liability akin to trademark infringement.

        B) Appearing to be an opportunistic vulture circling the death of a beloved public figure is never good positioning.
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  • Profile picture of the author AmericanMuscleTA
    Interesting, Brian.

    Say we take out the picture and just use his name. Is that trademark infringement?

    His name and picture is on the headline of every news site. It'll be the headline of tomorrow's paper and on the entertainment magazines next month. Plus, it'll be on the magazines that sell rumors.

    If using his name and pictures to sell is infringement, wouldn't all these magazines and newspapers be getting sued all the time? They'll be using Robin Williams in their headlines to "sell" their magazines and newspapers.

    Now you really got me curious on trademark infringements.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tim R
      Originally Posted by AmericanMuscleTA View Post

      If using his name and pictures to sell is infringement, wouldn't all these magazines and newspapers be getting sued all the time? They'll be using Robin Williams in their headlines to "sell" their magazines and newspapers.

      Now you really got me curious on trademark infringements.
      If it's for news and public interest commentary then the legal issue (the right of publicity) doesn't apply.
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    • Profile picture of the author BrianMcLeod
      Originally Posted by AmericanMuscleTA View Post

      Interesting, Brian.

      Say we take out the picture and just use his name. Is that trademark infringement?

      His name and picture is on the headline of every news site. It'll be the headline of tomorrow's paper and on the entertainment magazines next month. Plus, it'll be on the magazines that sell rumors.

      If using his name and pictures to sell is infringement, wouldn't all these magazines and newspapers be getting sued all the time? They'll be using Robin Williams in their headlines to "sell" their magazines and newspapers.

      Now you really got me curious on trademark infringements.
      You're dealing with two different but somewhat intertwined legal issues:

      Trademark Infringement - an intellectual property matter.

      Right of Publicity - a business tort.

      A quick trip to Google can give you a full night's reading about both...
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  • Profile picture of the author splitTest
    So sad. Talented, funny and seemed like a nice guy to boot.

    Relevance for us marketers?

    1.) Money can't buy you happiness, so don't sell your soul.
    2.) Cocaine will f-ck you up. Look at our boy Billy Mays (the tv pitchman). Who knows how healthy Robin's brain chemistry might've been without all the years of coke (and alcohol)?
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    • Profile picture of the author Robert_Rand
      Originally Posted by splitTest View Post


      1.) Money can't buy you happiness, so don't sell your soul.
      How is that relevant? Or you just feel the need to announce to everyone that you're broke?
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      • Profile picture of the author splitTest
        Originally Posted by Robert_Rand View Post

        How is that relevant? Or you just feel the need to announce to everyone that you're broke?
        Well, marketers are all about making money. Robin Williams had all the money in the world, but he was so unhappy he killed himself. There's your relevance.

        Now, how is your statement relevant? Or do you just feel the need to announce to everyone that you're an asshole?
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        • Profile picture of the author Robert_Rand
          Originally Posted by splitTest View Post

          Well, marketers are all about making money. Robin Williams had all the money in the world, but he was so unhappy he killed himself. There's your relevance.

          Now, how is your statement relevant? Or do you just feel the need to announce to everyone that you're an asshole?
          Look, let me just say first and foremost - if you're satisfied with average (as measured by your actual real life circumstances) you'll probably hate me. And yes, probably think I'm an asshole.

          Money is VERY important to me.

          And I make no apologies for that. It certainly can't buy the most important things in life but it can buy time, freedom, and security. To me, those things equate to happiness. I never said it will make an unhappy person happy. It won't. It's a magnifier.

          Second, poverty doesn't buy happiness. Life is a complex mystery and people die for an infinite number of reasons - most of them being far from wealthy. So to use Robin Williams passing as an opportunity to spew your limited beliefs and negative associations w/ money... I think is pathetic.
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  • Hmmm one of my close friends is something of a local celebrity, maybe I can adapt this strategy as a local marketer when he kicks the bucket.

    He's a little young though... Anyone here know how to make Ricin?
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  • Profile picture of the author Sean Fry
    Originally Posted by AmericanMuscleTA View Post

    I'm sure most of you have heard by now... Robin Williams has died. He suffered from depression for many years and took his own life.

    Now, you're probably thinking... "What the heck does this have to do with copywriting?"

    Great question.

    If I was one of the depression/suicide help companies, I would be getting all of my ads, emails, postcards, everything with a picture of Robin Williams and a headline... "Don't Be The Next Victim Of Suicide: If you or someone you know is suffering from depression and thinking about suicide call xxx-xxx-xxxx Before it's too late."

    I would get all of these ads out NOW. It would really hit the emotional button.

    This is what I would do. Thoughts?
    Here are my thoughts: You think like a parasite. Your thought process represents all the things that are wrong with marketers.

    The DAY Robin Williams dies and you're already thinking in terms of how companies could exploit the man for profit? Show some god damned respect. Jesus.

    And here's another thing, there's no such thing as a "suicide company." Ok? Those are often state sponsored or community funded organizations and charities. Not "for-profit" companies.
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  • Profile picture of the author Flyingpig7
    Absolutely that kind of thinking belongs in the gutter and unfortunately for you, will always stay there unless you come to your senses.

    I agree with Brian there are probably legal issues from using someones name like this you'd have to be prepared to have deep pockets if the families lawyer comes after you. (Newspapers have been successfully sued for less (I'm thinking UK news)).
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  • I don't think the "idea" would work.

    For many reasons.

    All the ones already stated.

    And we live in a celebrity obsessed culture.

    Many do or try to do what they do.


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  • Profile picture of the author dbostian
    Yeah. I'm gonna have to say that it doesn't sound like a good idea. Also comes off as being insensitive.
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  • Profile picture of the author JamesDLayton
    As someone who went down that route and stood on the edge of that particular hole after my divorce in 2005. I have to say that not even phone calls off family helped. You have to dig yourself out of that one alone.

    If anything the knowledge that it worked for him and he didn't end up a vegetable (the biggest fear when you're about to do it)... would of given me the strength to go ahead with it.

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  • Yes, many may feel that Robin seemed to have everything you could want in life but very sadly just couldn't beat the demons.

    And someone in an awful depressive situation may feel "If he couldn't what chance have I got?"

    Thank god many do recover.

    But for others it is all too much.

    If you were to promote a possible "technique, cure or remedy" which may help - you have to do it very, very carefully.


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  • Profile picture of the author Al amin
    Thanks. It's really a nice technique to drive attention. But I am confused whether it is ethical or not.
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  • Every day someone dies from depression it's probably by design in the meds, I almost went and they do it on purpose I think, we just don't hear about it if it's a nobody. It's a shame Robyn seams to have been a nice guy, to bad.
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  • Profile picture of the author AmericanMuscleTA
    Sean Fry, I should have said "Suicide Prevention Hotline." The ads would be to gain awareness, not profit.

    Steve The Copywriter, "And someone in an awful depressive situation may feel "If he couldn't what chance have I got?" Great point. Never thought about that.

    JamesDLayton, I feel ya about the divorce situation. Many blacked out months.
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    • Profile picture of the author angiecolee
      Originally Posted by AmericanMuscleTA View Post

      Sean Fry, I should have said "Suicide Prevention Hotline." The ads would be to gain awareness, not profit.

      Steve The Copywriter, "And someone in an awful depressive situation may feel "If he couldn't what chance have I got?" Great point. Never thought about that.
      Because you're thinking of this with a healthy brain.

      Robin Williams is now a trigger. Many healthy, normally happy people are sad. Many depressed people or people with mental illness are ready to or have decided to take the plunge because if he had nothing left, what do they have?

      Those non-profit ads are targeted mostly to family and friends who could help, or those going through a rough patch that could work through it.

      These demons take over once they've settled in. Calls to a hotline won't exorcize them.
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  • Profile picture of the author JamesDLayton
    A great deal of what society does is really just picking up the egg shells. Police, medical staff, fire departments, hotlines for suicide...

    They all react to something that's pretty much already taken place.

    Didn't the writer of Bringing Out The Dead say that being a Paramedic was mainly about bearing witness?

    Rather than saving anyone.

    The fact is. If you are ready to do it. No amount of pressure (and that's all it is.... a mentally ill person sees help as pressure) will stop you.

    In the same way that a person hell bent on NOT doing it could never take a phone call and decide "Meh screw it." BANG!.

    It could of been festering for years or decades. And it's like addiction, any ARP class will tell you addiction is for LIFE.... there is NO cure. You can train yourself to control the triggers but it never goes away. I know this first hand.

    I hope to heaven my thoughts I had in 2005 don't bubble to the surface again. I have a good lady who helps me a lot now in ways hard to describe. But it never goes away. Once that thought is planted it just waits for an opportune moment.

    You have to be on guard 24/7.That's all suicide is, it's just a little guy sitting on your shoulder waiting to pull the trigger for you. Should you turn and look at him by mistake.

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  • Profile picture of the author James1212
    I agree you could cash in on the topic, but provide some good insight on it. Robin would approve.
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    • Profile picture of the author BrianMcLeod
      Originally Posted by Al amin View Post

      Thanks. It's really a nice technique to drive attention. But I am confused whether it is ethical or not.
      Originally Posted by James1212 View Post

      I agree you could cash in on the topic, but provide some good insight on it. Robin would approve.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rick Rodd
    Banking on the issue on this unfortunate event is hard to swallow for me. I can't believe that people have the fortitude to gain profit from this mess, but I say, to each his own.

    I would like to add to the discussion that comedians did their best to make us laugh, but deep inside their hearts they are very lonely people.

    There should be awareness built upon this. We don't need another Marilyn Monroe, Heath Ledger, etc. to follow. They are all but entertainers,yet they are people too. They have brightened up our lives with laughter, now it's high time we commit ourselves to treating our lives with dignity and respect with the lessons they have taught us on the silver screen.
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  • Profile picture of the author Cool Hand Luke
    Originally Posted by AmericanMuscleTA View Post

    I'm sure most of you have heard by now... Robin Williams has died. He suffered from depression for many years and took his own life.

    Now, you're probably thinking... "What the heck does this have to do with copywriting?"

    Great question.

    If I was one of the depression/suicide help companies, I would be getting all of my ads, emails, postcards, everything with a picture of Robin Williams and a headline... "Don't Be The Next Victim Of Suicide: If you or someone you know is suffering from depression and thinking about suicide call xxx-xxx-xxxx Before it's too late."

    I would get all of these ads out NOW. It would really hit the emotional button.

    This is what I would do. Thoughts?
    Cringeworthy and scummy.
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  • Profile picture of the author Raydal
    Well, this thread shows how EMOTIONS really sell. How people
    can get emotional about a subject rather than reason it through.

    I've seen this same topic in the main forum before (using bad news
    for marketing) and the same "ethical" and "feelings" side come through,
    but if you THINK about it all marketing is taking advantage of
    human suffering/incapability.

    By the reasoning of some in this thread undertakers should all close
    down because they are making money from people's death.

    I wonder if it was Bin Laden instead of a loved figure such as Robin
    Williams the reasoning would be the same?

    There are whole industries built around the misfortunes of others.
    Insurance, Legal system, hospitals, .. the list goes on.

    -Ray Edwards

    P.S. BTW, I love Robin Williams and his unfortunate death is sad indeed.
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    • Profile picture of the author angiecolee
      Originally Posted by Raydal View Post

      Well, this thread shows how EMOTIONS really sell. How people
      can get emotional about a subject rather than reason it through.

      I've seen this same topic in the main forum before (using bad news
      for marketing) and the same "ethical" and "feelings" side come through,
      but if you THINK about it all marketing is taking advantage of
      human suffering/incapability.

      By the reasoning of some in this thread undertakers should all close
      down because they are making money from people's death.

      I wonder if it was Bin Laden instead of a loved figure such as Robin
      Williams the reasoning would be the same?

      There are whole industries built around the misfortunes of others.
      Insurance, Legal system, hospitals, .. the list goes on.

      -Ray Edwards

      P.S. BTW, I love Robin Williams and his unfortunate death is sad indeed.
      Maybe I live(d) in the wrong towns...I've never seen undertakers/cemeteries/other death-related services profiting from JOHN SMITH's death so much as death in general.
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      Originally Posted by Raydal View Post

      Well, this thread shows how EMOTIONS really sell. How people
      can get emotional about a subject rather than reason it through.

      I've seen this same topic in the main forum before (using bad news
      for marketing) and the same "ethical" and "feelings" side come through,
      but if you THINK about it all marketing is taking advantage of
      human suffering/incapability.

      By the reasoning of some in this thread undertakers should all close
      down because they are making money from people's death.

      I wonder if it was Bin Laden instead of a loved figure such as Robin
      Williams the reasoning would be the same?

      There are whole industries built around the misfortunes of others.
      Insurance, Legal system, hospitals, .. the list goes on.

      -Ray Edwards

      P.S. BTW, I love Robin Williams and his unfortunate death is sad indeed.
      The difference is that the angle the OP has suggested is transparently exploitative.
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    • Originally Posted by Raydal View Post

      Well, this thread shows how EMOTIONS really sell. How people
      can get emotional about a subject rather than reason it through.

      I've seen this same topic in the main forum before (using bad news
      for marketing) and the same "ethical" and "feelings" side come through,
      but if you THINK about it all marketing is taking advantage of
      human suffering/incapability.

      By the reasoning of some in this thread undertakers should all close
      down because they are making money from people's death.

      I wonder if it was Bin Laden instead of a loved figure such as Robin
      Williams the reasoning would be the same?

      There are whole industries built around the misfortunes of others.
      Insurance, Legal system, hospitals, .. the list goes on.

      -Ray Edwards

      P.S. BTW, I love Robin Williams and his unfortunate death is sad indeed.

      Ray,

      It's rare that I disagree with you.

      But I do on this - on the humanity side.

      I get the emotional triggers and how best they can be used.

      But I could never use an individuals demise to capitalise on them.

      I wouldn't say "Don't be like ____ get help now"

      I would say "Please don't let (whatever the illness is) beat you - get help now"

      And a campaign could be timed around a famous persons death.


      There are exceptions. If a person was an evil f***** I might use their name.

      "Don't be a little (name a dictator or evil f*****) - make your life better"


      On an aside in the UK there was a well known comedian who died of prostrate cancer.

      He fully agreed beforehand to make TV, press and poster ads - saying "I'm dead now but you don't have to get what I got…"

      I thought it was an amazing legacy.


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      • Profile picture of the author Raydal
        Originally Posted by Steve The Copywriter View Post

        Ray,

        It's rare that I disagree with you.

        But I do on this - on the humanity side.

        I get the emotional triggers and how best they can be used.

        But I could never use an individuals demise to capitalise on them.
        Again, you see the "demise" and "capitalise" are pretty emotional words.
        The simple point I'm trying to make is that if you strip away the emotions
        it's not as bad as it appears.

        The overwhelming thought that seems to go against the OP is "How could
        you think about marketing at such a time as this? What kind of human
        being are you?"

        Yes, his death is sad, but so are a lot of other situations in life.
        Divorce (a type of death)--divorce lawyers profit.
        Cancer--health system profits ..etc.

        Now if the OP had said, "Every year 400,000 people commit suicide .."
        then emotions wouldn't run so high--which shows the power of an individual
        story. That's where the emotions come in. (Hence why charities always
        tell you about one victim's story.)

        I'm just saying we should be aware of our own emotional biases because
        we are not as reasonable as we think we are.

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  • Profile picture of the author JagSEO
    We'll that would be a disaster if you do that. Robin Williams = Happiness, and having him a suicide usp is really bad. That is what my opinion is.
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    • Profile picture of the author Rick Rodd
      Originally Posted by JagSEO View Post

      We'll that would be a disaster if you do that. Robin Williams = Happiness, and having him a suicide usp is really bad. That is what my opinion is.
      Well, if they wanted to do so badly, they'd have to do the Patch Adams method.
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  • Profile picture of the author Cam Connor
    Guys, the OP never said anything about banking in on the event. He was talking about not-for-profit marketing to prevent other suicides, as he's said many times throughout this thread...

    Based on the wording of the OP, I can see where people get that, but he's offered that clarification more than once. Geez
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    • Profile picture of the author RickDuris
      Originally Posted by Cam Connor View Post

      Guys, the OP never said anything about banking in on the event. He was talking about not-for-profit marketing to prevent other suicides, as he's said many times throughout this thread...

      Based on the wording of the OP, I can see where people get that, but he's offered that clarification more than once. Geez
      It doesn't really make much of a difference. Robin's estate will control the use of his name and image, no matter the purpose.



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      • Profile picture of the author Cam Connor
        Originally Posted by RickDuris View Post

        It doesn't really make much of a difference. Robin's estate will control the use of his name and image, no matter the purpose.


        True that. I just meant people were harsh to the OP for the suggestion.
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        • Profile picture of the author RickDuris
          Originally Posted by Cam Connor View Post

          True that. I just meant people were harsh to the OP for the suggestion.
          I understand.

          One of my attorneys is in entertainment. As he tells it, the whole thing is a racket. Deceased celebrity image licensing are a big business in Hollywood.

          In one of my marketing projects, I wanted to use the images of dead superheroes. He quickly put the ca-bash on that.

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  • Profile picture of the author AmericanMuscleTA
    Raydal, emotions sure do sell. That's why funeral directors can sell the top-of-the-line caskets and services. They hit the emotional buttons.

    Thanks, Cam Connor! This goes to show we all have different opinions on different matters.

    And, thanks everyone for sharing your opinions!

    Oh, and JameDLayton, take care of yourself. Keep moving forward!
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Deceased celebrity image licensing are a big business in Hollywood.
      There was a segment on 60 Minutes last year featuring an agency that represents only deceased celebs. It is a big money maker - with profits going to the heirs/estates of the famous people years after their death.

      Some have made far more money in death than they made while they were alive. The owner of the agency said the clients are great to work with and never complain.
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  • Ray,

    I understand what you're saying.

    I just don't think the celebs name should be mentioned.

    Anyway as Rick said legally it would be fraught with problems.

    And I mentioned my "concerns" on threads 16 and 19.

    Of course any marketing that could prevent anyone from committing suicide would be good.

    You just have to know that it wouldn't have a catastrophic effect on others.


    Steve
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    • Profile picture of the author angiecolee
      Originally Posted by Steve The Copywriter View Post


      You just have to know that it wouldn't have a catastrophic effect on others.


      Steve
      Yes. All of this.

      His family would hurt for one.

      And the others suffering from depression and suicidal thoughts too.

      Their families? They'd see an ad like this and try to force their suffering loved one to get help.

      The suffering loved one? They tend to see that and think, "If a guy like that who had everything in the world felt like he had nothing left to live for, what do I have?"

      He's become a trigger for the mentally ill and clinically depressed. In certain situations, an ad like this, even though it's meant to help, could cause more harm than good.
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  • Profile picture of the author BradCarroll
    I think you might have to reference Williams a little more subtly, or your target audience is likely to be very turned-off. Not in a "Oh those commercials are so irritating but I buy anyway," sort of way, but in a, "Gross I'm not buying this," sort of way.

    Of course there's only one way to know for sure...
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  • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
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    I think that OP is coming from the right place, it's just that the idea (IMO) isn't all that good.
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  • Profile picture of the author gemm24
    This is so tragic. The only ethical "marketing" I can see come out of this is to create more awareness of how insidious depression can be -- and how hard it can be to detect in our loved ones. Many people still view mental illness as a character flaw, not a disease. Education over marketing.
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  • Profile picture of the author JamesDLayton
    There's only ONE angle this would work for me. If Robins kids, spouse came on air 24hrs after it all happened and URGED people to not put others through the pain they are suffering, then it would work. Anything less than this and you're coming off as shitty.

    As I said.... been there done that, past that.

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      Originally Posted by JamesDLayton View Post

      There's only ONE angle this would work for me. If Robins kids, spouse came on air 24hrs after it all happened and URGED people to not put others through the pain they are suffering, then it would work. Anything less than this and you're coming off as shitty.

      As I said.... been there done that, past that.

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      That's definitely one heck of an angle to look at. Thanks, James!

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  • Profile picture of the author JamesDLayton
    As a footnote: I decided to NOT do it even though my wife walked out, my mother died, my landlord evicted me and my family turned their backs. All in about..... 5 weeks of each other.

    10 years on, 2 kids (from a previous relationship) and a future life in the US with Trish (girl in my profile pic) I can say I made the right choice.

    But nothing less than a sobbing screaming wife/daughter of someone right in my face would of convinced me. I had to convince myself.

    So even with this heart felt plea I probably would of done it.

    Anyway.... money to be made... laters.

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  • Profile picture of the author jreece3
    Over here in the UK - everybody thought it was "Robbie Williams" that had died

    So I guess the same could be done over on these shores - in a similar way
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